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Hello guys and gals. It's been a wonderful 5 years that I've been on SDN, and I've gotten tons of great advice from all of you. I'd like to ask you all for your advice once more. I'm very lucky to have been be accepted to some great schools, and now it's come down to 3.

Georgetown vs Rush vs UVM.

I received a 15k grant from rush as well as 8k in subsidized loans, while the other two offered me the usual grant plus and stafford loans. What would you do in my situation? Thanks folk.
 
I would immediately eliminate UVM due to location -- Burlington? really? Vermont is okay for skiing but I could not live there 24/7. Next on the chopping block, Georgetown. As an atheist, I would feel uncomfortable practicing in a Jesuit institution. Are they even allowed to prescribe birth control pills? So by default, Rush would be my choice.
 
QuinnTheEskimo said:
I would immediately eliminate UVM due to location -- Burlington? really? Vermont is okay for skiing but I could not live there 24/7. Next on the chopping block, Georgetown. As an atheist, I would feel uncomfortable practicing in a Jesuit institution. Are they even allowed to prescribe birth control pills? So by default, Rush would be my choice.
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But you are an Eskimo?

And OP, you need to provide way more info in terms of your pros and cons for each school before any one else can give you good advice. What did you like best about each school? What did you dislike? What are you looking for in a school in general?
 
Any idea what specialty you want?

I'm from Rush so I can give some insight. Rush is a great place for neuro, largest epilepsy center in the Midwest, I believe also one of the largest centers for MS. It's a stroke center. And neuro seems to take its own- if you are a Rush student, and want to stay at Rush and do neuro, you likely will be able to.

Rush is also big on ortho. I don't think it takes as many of its own like neuro, but there are some very well regarded ortho docs and LOR from them will get you recognized.

I'm not certain on this, but because it's a neuro and an ortho place, I would think its above average for PM&R, but not the level of Rehab Institute of Chicago.

Rush is closely associated with Cook County which is good if you are interested in treating the under served.

EM- because of its association with County, you get first dibs on rotations there and there are many sports reserved for Rush kids. Great EM letters from County will get you noticed. Also seems County has taken 2 Rush students each of the last 3.

Peds - I would say Rush isn't the greatest for peds. I think this is largely due to having two children's hospitals in the city - Lurie's and Komer's. That's not to say you can't be a good kid doc as a Rush grad, we have tons go into peds each year, but I would not say it is our strongest.
 
QuinnTheEskimo said:
I would immediately eliminate UVM due to location -- Burlington? really? Vermont is okay for skiing but I could not live there 24/7. Next on the chopping block, Georgetown. As an atheist, I would feel uncomfortable practicing in a Jesuit institution. Are they even allowed to prescribe birth control pills? So by default, Rush would be my choice.
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I know I just said do not attend Georgetown, but I want to clarify that none of the Jesuit MD med schools will stand in the way of any student belief sets at all. I have to assume you've not interviewed at these places, because if you had you would agree.
 
QuinnTheEskimo said:
I would immediately eliminate UVM due to location -- Burlington? really? Vermont is okay for skiing but I could not live there 24/7. Next on the chopping block, Georgetown. As an atheist, I would feel uncomfortable practicing in a Jesuit institution. Are they even allowed to prescribe birth control pills? So by default, Rush would be my choice.
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Silliest troll post of the year?

I haven't met too many people who list Burlington as undesirable. It might be miserable if you hate winter, or you just can't stand to not live in a large metropolis.
I've never heard of being non-Catholic getting in the way of attending a Jesuit institution. As an aside, you can get BC pills, among other family planning services at their university hospital. But, of course, your trollish self already knew that.
http://www.georgetownhospitalsystem.org/diw/Content.asp?PageID=DIW001509
Their health plan even covers BC prescriptions. Google is your friend.

Getting back to OP, go with the school you like the most. It doesn't seem like there's a drastic difference in cost, unless you're from VT.
 
MedWonk said:
Silliest troll post of the year?

I haven't met too many people who list Burlington as undesirable. It might be miserable if you hate winter, or you just can't stand to not live in a large metropolis.
I've never heard of being non-Catholic getting in the way of attending a Jesuit institution. As an aside, you can get BC pills, among other family planning services at their university hospital. But, of course, your trollish self already knew that.
http://www.georgetownhospitalsystem.org/diw/Content.asp?PageID=DIW001509
Their health plan even covers BC prescriptions. Google is your friend.

Getting back to OP, go with the school you like the most. It doesn't seem like there's a drastic difference in cost, unless you're from VT.
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Georgetown only started covering BC prescriptions LAST YEAR for students/faculty: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/georgetown-contraception-coverage_n_3641694.html

A little too religious for my liking.

Edit: Students actually CANNOT get BC prescriptions filled on campus: "Students won't be able to obtain contraception at the Campus Student Health Center, because the physicians, nurse practitioners and staff must abide by the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services."
 
QuinnTheEskimo said:
Georgetown only started covering BC prescriptions LAST YEAR for students/faculty: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/georgetown-contraception-coverage_n_3641694.html

A little too religious for my liking.

Edit: Students actually CANNOT get BC prescriptions filled on campus: "Students won't be able to obtain contraception at the Campus Student Health Center, because the physicians, nurse practitioners and staff must abide by the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services."
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I suppose this would be a valid concern for you, and I'm glad we sorted out which schools you shouldn't attend. OTOH, how does this apply to OP? Do we know that OP is religious? How does the inability to fill BC prescriptions on campus affect one's education? Are you implying that students coming out of Georgetown are inferior because of it?
 
MedWonk said:
I suppose this would be a valid concern for you, and I'm glad we sorted out which schools you shouldn't attend. OTOH, how does this apply to OP? Do we know that OP is religious? How does the inability to fill BC prescriptions on campus affect one's education? Are you implying that students coming out of Georgetown are inferior because of it?
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Whoa, relax. I have no idea what OP's religion is, but he asked for feedback on these schools. Personally, as a non-religious person, I would feel weird about attending an institution that has such strong rules about things like BC pills. It's the principle of the thing.

I don't know how these rules come into play in the hospital. Maybe an actual Gtown student could chime in here.
 
For me, it's between Rush and UVM. I've said many times on here that I think UVM is one of the most underrated med schools. If you can handle winter, and don't mind being in the smaller city of Burlington, I think it's a fantastic choice, save for the cost.

If Rush is significantly cheaper than UVM, and/or if it's significantly closer to a support network, that might sway me towards Rush.
 
Just went to second look at rush and I was definitely impressed. Great faculty and great clinical rotation opportunities.

Chicago beats both in terms of location.
 
Thanks everyone for your comments so far. I picked these schools because of a few points:

+Rush seems to place a heavy emphasis on the well being of its students, I heard through the grapevine that it has a rep for pampering its students, definitely a plus in my book.
+Rush has very reputable clinical rotation sites; cook county is known throughout the country.
+Rush and UVM because they seem like schools that are very friendly towards non-traditional students, and also fosters a cooperative atmosphere.
+UVM had the friendliest people I've met during the interview trail.
-Rush and UVM both have very brutal winters, which I'm used to as I live in MA, but never liked.

Georgetown is another beast altogether. I'm not religious, but I don't really have a problem with the fact that it's a jesuit school. But:
-Seemed and has a rep for being a super competitive school. Still has letter grades I believe, with the med students competing against SMP students as well in preclinical classes if I remember correctly.
-Facilities are definitely out of date. I understand the austerity of the jesuit philosophy, but still...
+I suppose the only strong point is that it has a year on year killer match list, definitely punches way above its weight so to speak. In terms of reputation it's most likely more well known than the other 2.

I suppose in the end my brain's saying GT, my heart's saying Rush or UVM, and my wallet just wants me to go to the cheapest school.

Thanks for all your comments! Please keep 'em coming if you interviewed/were accepted/attend these schools or just heard things about them in general, I really appreciate it!
 
theercster said:
Thanks everyone for your comments so far. I picked these schools because of a few points:

+Rush seems to place a heavy emphasis on the well being of its students, I heard through the grapevine that it has a rep for pampering its students, definitely a plus in my book.
+Rush has very reputable clinical rotation sites; cook county is known throughout the country.
+Rush and UVM because they seem like schools that are very friendly towards non-traditional students, and also fosters a cooperative atmosphere.
+UVM had the friendliest people I've met during the interview trail.
-Rush and UVM both have very brutal winters, which I'm used to as I live in MA, but never liked.

Georgetown is another beast altogether. I'm not religious, but I don't really have a problem with the fact that it's a jesuit school. But:
-Seemed and has a rep for being a super competitive school. Still has letter grades I believe, with the med students competing against SMP students as well in preclinical classes if I remember correctly.
-Facilities are definitely out of date. I understand the austerity of the jesuit philosophy, but still...
+I suppose the only strong point is that it has a year on year killer match list, definitely punches way above its weight so to speak. In terms of reputation it's most likely more well known than the other 2.

I suppose in the end my brain's saying GT, my heart's saying Rush or UVM, and my wallet just wants me to go to the cheapest school.

Thanks for all your comments! Please keep 'em coming if you interviewed/were accepted/attend these schools or just heard things about them in general, I really appreciate it!
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Did you go to second look at either?
 
theercster said:
Unfortunately the second looks all coincided with work (Rush and UVM were on the same day incidentally), so I couldn't go 🙁
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That's too bad, but not a big deal. I can sum up Rush's day for you: the profs are really invested in your education from research to the classroom, and the students are very happy. They love service, and have awesome clinical years. Woo!
 
lalalaaaaaa said:
That's too bad, but not a big deal. I can sum up Rush's day for you: the profs are really invested in your education from research to the classroom, and the students are very happy. They love service, and have awesome clinical years. Woo!
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This sounds like every second look day ever. I prefer to distinguish them based on whether or not booze is served.
 
MedWonk said:
This sounds like every second look day ever. I prefer to distinguish them based on whether or not booze is served.
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That was kind of my point. It's all kind of generic. I can't imagine it's hard for a medical school to show off when they need to.Rush does have good clinical years though, but hopefully you know this already.

Your point about the booze is well taken. Rush didn't have any. UVM it is!
 
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