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[apollofx]

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You do eventually see it horizon changing for the better however? The people entering Pod school now are essentially jumping 7 Years into the future for a job.

I cant imagine many private practices, MD/DO/DPM/OD being viable in the future. At least in my Area, Hospitals are buying up Private practices of all specialties except Dental.

I have been on the job search and I’ll tell you it is changing but it’s a painfully slow process. Hospitals are just now understanding that Podiatry can bring to both their patients and the bottom line. I talked to the CEO of a hospital who said that five years ago they hadn’t even considered hiring a podiatrist and now they have one and are considering a second. This sentiment will slowly move to other hospitals but it maybe 10 years or so until it’s fully widespread in my opinion.

 

[med2345]

I do see things changing for the better, I'm just not sure how fast it's going to happen. Podiatry, for several reasons, seems to be a field that is much slower to move away from private practice. It's probably partially that hospitals/MSG still don't know or understand as much about us as other fields like general surgery or ortho, but also in part, IMO, due to many practicing pods not wanting to become part of a hospital/ortho/MSG.

Why do pods not want to be a part of these? When I shadowed, working for a hospital seemed way easier than being part of a practice. Just go in and do your job. Everything is already done for you.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Why do pods not want to be a part of these? When I shadowed, working for a hospital seemed way easier than being part of a practice. Just go in and do your job. Everything is already done for you.

Probably because people went into pod school wanting to own a practice and be their own boss and stuff. So they get stuck in their ways and dont want someone else to be their boss or have to meet a quota. And it also seems like hospitals can cut you loose if they want to because there will always be new grads coming in lookin for jobs.

 

[med2345]

Probably because people went into pod school wanting to own a practice and be their own boss and stuff. So they get stuck in their ways and dont want someone else to be their boss or have to meet a quota. And it also seems like hospitals can cut you loose if they want to because there will always be new grads coming in lookin for jobs.

I guess that's true although I don't don't the incentive of most pod students. I do know that owning a practice is WAY more work than an incoming pod student is aware. In my city the main hospital had the same one for 10-12 is years, then recently hired 2 more because he didn't want to work much for several reasons (he's now currently seeing like 20-30 patients a an entire week). Yet they still salary him etc because he's good, and patients, and staff like him. The one they brought in said he loved it way more at a hospital despite owning a practice for several years. He said it was so much easier and not as time consuming.

As far as hospitals replacing attending pods I can't say it's easier to replace a pod that an another specialty except some like neurosurgeons, cardiologists, etc. I mean there are plenty of PC, FM, etc docs that people hate and don't get replaced despite a huge amount of grads. It's definitely not easier than replacing a RN, PA, CRNA, yet there are several nurses that I know that stay in the same hospital system for 20+ years. If you're doing your job and making the hospital money, they aren't just going to replace you to higher someone else a little bit less salary. If you're nestled into it for a while they aren't going to replace you especially for someone straight out of residency unless they have a very good reason.

 

[ldsrmdude]

If you're doing your job and making the hospital money, they aren't just going to replace you to higher someone else a little bit less salary. If you're nestled into it for a while they aren't going to replace you especially for someone straight out of residency unless they have a very good reason.

Yeah, that would be the ideal situation, but it happens. Actually it can happen frequently, not just in podiatry. Some hospitals have a reputation for going through docs. And sometimes they don't fire you, when it comes time to re-do your contract, they offer you way less than what you were making before and the smart choice is to pack it up and leave. I've unfortunately seen it a few times, and I've never understood the mentality from the hospital to do this. I mean, I know it all comes down to money but some hospitals seem willing to let good doctors go just to save a few bucks on the bottom line.

 

[med2345]

Yeah, that would be the ideal situation, but it happens. Actually it can happen frequently, not just in podiatry. Some hospitals have a reputation for going through docs. And sometimes they don't fire you, when it comes time to re-do your contract, they offer you way less than what you were making before and the smart choice is to pack it up and leave. I've unfortunately seen it a few times, and I've never understood the mentality from the hospital to do this. I mean, I know it all comes down to money but some hospitals seem willing to let good doctors go just to save a few bucks on the bottom line.

I’m sure it happens but out of many of my family members that are doctors it’s usually not the case thankfully. I have 2 family members that are in very competitive specialties and when it came to re-contract they did get offered less money. It’s just part of the “game”. Definitely not exclusive to podiatry. Luckily I haven’t seen anyone just get flat or fired or rid of for someone newer though.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I know that it happend to a family member of mine (MD) who was working at a hospital a couple years back. They didnt even give them a chance to renegotiate a new contract, they just hired a new doc and said see yah.

Always save for the future, Spend less than you make, keep debt to a minimum, and pay off the debt ASAP. Do not expect the government to come riding on a white horse as a knight in shining armor to save you from your financial decisions. You never know what the future holds, and you never know if events in the future might cause you not to work at the capacity you were once working at. What happens if you are on a 10 year Public Service forgiveness program and the hospital drops you after year 7? What happens if you get into an accident and lose your ability to perform surgery?

Yeah, that would be the ideal situation, but it happens. Actually it can happen frequently, not just in podiatry. Some hospitals have a reputation for going through docs. And sometimes they don't fire you, when it comes time to re-do your contract, they offer you way less than what you were making before and the smart choice is to pack it up and leave. I've unfortunately seen it a few times, and I've never understood the mentality from the hospital to do this. I mean, I know it all comes down to money but some hospitals seem willing to let good doctors go just to save a few bucks on the bottom line.

 

[AudiLova619]

I dont think that the practicing pods can answer that for you. You have to decide if the field is worth it using the salary figures the practicing Pods have graciously shared with those asking about the field.

What else will you do with a worthless undergrad biology degree and semi-worthless Biology masters with a low MCAT score? Especially so if your GPA is 3.3 and below and your MCAT is 500 or below. Pharmacy and Optometry are saturated to the point you might not find full time work, and Dentistry is just as hard to get into as DO school at least. PA and NPs might be another option, but you are also easily replaceable, and you do not have the final say on treatment options.

Podiatry, for all its faults, at least right now allows you to practice as an independant doctor with surgical rights of the foot and in many states up to the ankle where you learn actual skills that are hard to outsource. The only other people that can do your job are other doctors, and that is true for other doctors in thier field. Think about it, a Primary Care doctor's work can be done by another PCP, MD/DO and in increasing cases, PA/NP. Look at other professions and compare, even those not requiring a doctoral degree. Accounting can easily be outsourced, as well as computer software jobs and IT.

And these people that claim IT makes 120-150K are leaving out that most of these jobs are in high cost of living areas, and that the jobs are few and far between. Of everyone I graduated with in undergrad, the highest earner is right around 55K/Year (around 45K after taxes). People dont make six figures right out of college, some with college degrees will never make six figures. With Podiatry, I think it is very possible to make 150K, provided you are smart and work hard, which is around 100K after taxes.

To me, an investment of 300K at 7% intrest to make 100K/year for 30 years seems financially worth it, Podiatry or otherwise, but it is on the boarderline. You will have to decide if that is worth it to you.

I think M.D/D.O are the only fields that guarantee job security and salary. Pods and Dentists are next but each have their own problems.

 

[AudiLova619]

Why do pods not want to be a part of these? When I shadowed, working for a hospital seemed way easier than being part of a practice. Just go in and do your job. Everything is already done for you.

I agree.

 

[AudiLova619]

I know that it happend to a family member of mine (MD) who was working at a hospital a couple years back. They didnt even give them a chance to renegotiate a new contract, they just hired a new doc and said see yah.

Always save for the future, Spend less than you make, keep debt to a minimum, and pay off the debt ASAP. Do not expect the government to come riding on a white horse as a knight in shining armor to save you from your financial decisions. You never know what the future holds, and you never know if events in the future might cause you not to work at the capacity you were once working at. What happens if you are on a 10 year Public Service forgiveness program and the hospital drops you after year 7? What happens if you get into an accident and lose your ability to perform surgery?

That is something I think about sometimes. What happens if you graduate pod or dental school with 300k debt and something happens to you and prevents you from practicing? What happens to the loans? do they take your assets?

 

[illinigrad11]

That is something I think about sometimes. What happens if you graduate pod or dental school with 300k debt and something happens to you and prevents you from practicing? What happens to the loans? do they take your assets?

Thus the importance of own-occupation, long term disability insurance.

 

[de Ribas]

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[ldsrmdude]

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[de Ribas]

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Sorry

Didn't know.

 

[dtrack22]

There are two job postings from practices I am familiar with. Both of them show up on that always entertaining and often times cringe-worthy newsletter many of us subscribe to. One of them shows up on the ACFAS job board site. Any ways, one is the dallas/ft worth area and the other is in Western Washington.

The job in Western Washington has a one of my favorite compensation structures, the amounts are awful. The valuation/buy in is even worse. I can explain more for anyone interested.

The job in DFW has a very owner friendly compensation model due to high overhead and some greed. It is not one I would recommend for other reasons though.

Feel free to PM me for more info, or if you know of someone who lurks or has talked to you about these jobs feel free to PM me and you can pass along my contact info.