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I will reread your walls later tonight (irl night) and try to digest them. I still think you are wolf, you even did the "You and I are not as different as you might think" speech which is classic villainy to influence a poor Boq hero's mind. But I will do my best to be open-minded. In the meantime, could you tell me why Wilgy has been dropped from town to suspect?
Wilgy’s engagement hasn’t been as easy to follow today, and his Dubz vote is suspicious to me. I don’t really agree with your “he’d try harder to justify the vote” rationale, particularly in his case (I think that applies to him less than it would to most others, just by personality).

He may yet be town. He looks more that way at face value overall. But from a POE perspective I have better reasons to believe the green names.
 
Wilgy’s engagement hasn’t been as easy to follow today, and his Dubz vote is suspicious to me. I don’t really agree with your “he’d try harder to justify the vote” rationale, particularly in his case (I think that applies to him less than it would to most others, just by personality).

He may yet be town. He looks more that way at face value overall. But from a POE perspective I have better reasons to believe the green names.
Remember how you pivoted me into suspicion in Kids Birthday? This feels just like that with maybe a little more focus because Boq forced the issue.
 
Remember how you pivoted me into suspicion in Kids Birthday? This feels just like that with maybe a little more focus because Boq forced the issue.
I’m probably more than 90% likely to die today, so you don’t have to worry about that.

In fact, we’re probably at a point where continued “JJJ is suspicious” posts are officially pointless.
 
I didn't realize it was discrediting someone by trying to clarify with them why they were voting someone they were earlier in the day town reading over someone they said they thought was more suspicious (mayo)

DrW reads have overall been difficult to follow and haven't been consistent. The dubz vote seems opportunistic. At least today he's voting for me after throwing me in his solves yesterday while pushing for mayo and pippy
Opportunistic how? We yeeted a wolf.
 
I’m probably more than 90% likely to die today, so you don’t have to worry about that.

In fact, we’re probably at a point where continued “JJJ is suspicious” posts are officially pointless.
Fair enough.

I'd rather you not die if town though. I know I said I'd catch up last night, but it seems now that it's a this morning thing.

What would you say is why you are being thrown overboard today?
 
@Dinashadow and @JaggedJimmyJay, may I have you both iterate how my reads have been hard to follow?

Today has been me simply doing VCA and I think the outcomes of said VCA were presented quite clearly.

I think my reads yesterday were also presented clearly, so idk where the mishap is if these are good faith statements.
 
Fair enough.

I'd rather you not die if town though. I know I said I'd catch up last night, but it seems now that it's a this morning thing.

What would you say is why you are being thrown overboard today?
I misread someone I’ve never had to solve before, and she did a great job of making it look like we’re teamed. The end.

My voice carries little weight here yet like it might where we come from (understandably — I haven’t demonstrated that it should carry weight). Given that most people suspect me and nobody has meaningfully resisted my wagon, I am treating this as mostly a done deal. I don’t think screaming and thrashing about it will be helpful for the game, so I’ve just worked on solving instead for the sake of legacy.
 
@Dinashadow and @JaggedJimmyJay, may I have you both iterate how my reads have been hard to follow?

Today has been me simply doing VCA and I think the outcomes of said VCA were presented quite clearly.

I think my reads yesterday were also presented clearly, so idk where the mishap is if these are good faith statements.
I believe VCA is often pro-mafia. Doesn’t mean you’re dishonest about it, but I don’t view it as optimal at least (unless wielded with great care.

For an example of a read you’ve made that I don’t get:
Moon being town greatly increases the chance of JJJ or Moth being a wolf if that helps.
 
I believe VCA is often pro-mafia. Doesn’t mean you’re dishonest about it, but I don’t view it as optimal at least (unless wielded with great care.

For an example of a read you’ve made that I don’t get:
Wagonomic beliefs.

Wolves tend to not stack unless they require a forced bit of agency. It is harder to tell in situations where there are multiple powerwolfs, but I don't see that being the case now that Dubz is gone.

On the premise that wolves don't stack, and wolves often tag into town wagons, there was this wagon here:
moth (4) - Pippy 38, PSV 30, moon 20, JJJ 68

Based on Dubz/Pippy vote interactions, Pippy should be pulled from this list. PSV is already removed, that leaves the 1 in 3 of Moth, Moon, JJJ that I described earlier.

The only situation I think that wagon is pure is if Moth flips red.
 
Do you think wolves required agency on the moth wagon?

Do you think Moth is wolf?
 
Do you think wolves required agency on the moth wagon?

Do you think Moth is wolf?
I’m not sure what you mean by “agency” in this context. I don’t think there’s any requirement that mafia had to be on that wagon, regardless of mothy’s alignment. I think these types of wagon reads are essentially educated guessing, and I don’t like to view games through that lens.

You could have the right conclusion anyway. moonster is a suspect (and my current vote). moth is also a suspect.
 
I’m not sure what you mean by “agency” in this context. I don’t think there’s any requirement that mafia had to be on that wagon, regardless of mothy’s alignment. I think these types of wagon reads are essentially educated guessing, and I don’t like to view games through that lens.

You could have the right conclusion anyway. moonster is a suspect (and my current vote). moth is also a suspect.
Agency as in, did the scum go out of their way and stack either on Moth or elsewhere to cause a certain thread state?

Assuming Moth was town, I see no reason why wolves would've needed to push for agency during the time of Month majority.

Moth being wolf may imply wolf agency in wagon formation following this poll example, thus the Mayo wagon would need to be more closely examined.
 
Further because Moth was on me/you all day, it leads me to think that there was no agency even if Moth flips red. This lack of agency just makes the 1/3 make more sense to me.
 
PoE: Moon/JJJ/Moth, Dina/Boq, maybe Genny or Mighty if I'm wrong in my solve.

Pippy, Zenge, Samac, Nate are clear.

I wanna say Mayo is clear but that one is alittle less substantiated.
 
And withing those PoE splits, I think it's currently either in Moon/JJJ 50/50, and Dina.
 
Unfortunately I didn't catch up last night. I may be able to respond to things here and there throughout the day, but for the most part, I'm out of commission until later this evening.

Props to wolves for doing this - I have a feeling there is some high wolf posting going on, and that's in addition to wolf strategy and wolfchat.
 
Have a momentary tinfoil:

Zenge voting for Dubz because “JJJ seemed like he wanted my read on his packmate” doesn’t actually make any logical sense. He should have voted for ME for that to work out. We call that “affirming the consequent” in fallacy research.

Yes, I know the reasons to think Zenge is town. But if he lives longer than he should, he needs to answer to this.
 
My brain was a bit too fuzzy for finding any smoking guns last night, but I figured I'd at least offer some reads on people.

The options are village lean, neutral, and PoE. For neutrals, I indicate which side I'd pick if forced to decide (since I don't think anyone should be true neutral at this point).

Excluded is Zenge, who is the villagest villager who has ever villaged. Maybe this could possibly be questioned on like D5 if we are about to lose, but any discourse today just seems silly

Posts are separated for discussion clarity and not just to bump my post count, I pinky promise:
 
@PippyPony - village lean. I'm overall a fan of the read list that she posted at the start of D2 and I'm finding myself synching with her posts. I think the sus she had on D1 was premature and I'm happy to see that people have moved away from it. I find they have the most meaningful vote on Dubz, after Zenge and PSV (rip). Overall one of my best feels
 
@genny - village lean - I've never experienced wolf genny, but I have played with them as village quite a few times. This play seems very consistent with that. Genny will never post a thesis, and that's fine. One of the missing votes, but that could simply be due to not wanting to push JJJ over majority, which is understandable. My only concern is this read is really based on tone, and I've never done that before, successfully or otherwise.
 
@samac - neutral (V). She has made some fine village points, but I'm overall wary of her ever since she blindsided me in PaWWsta. I find the jump on the dubz wagon to be NAI, since it would have been super sus for her to ignore Zenge's use of his card, especially since she lacked any strong reads herself. I'm counting on a village samac to make more game solving contributions, so I'm looking forward to see what she may contribute in the coming days
 
@holdthemayo - neutral (V). I'll officially promote him out of my PoE due to some solid points before end of day and more general engagement. The consistent mix of serious posts and general absurdity feels more genuine as time progresses. I think the biggest complaint would be he really has only offered 1 meaningful read so far (JJJ), but since this is also my read, it's hard to fault him on it too much.
 
@Boquise - neutral (V) - This is probably the closest I have to anyone as true neutral, but the rules are the rules. I desperatly want to be your sidekick, but I do find your reads to be a bit hard to follow. Honestly, I viewed the wavering before the Dubz vote as justification for jumping on another wagon if the bus didnt work ou. I need to give more thought to this, especially in context with your view on your own meta being sus to villagers.
 
@moonstermash- neutral (V). I appreciate the long form posts, it really reflects the type of player I want to be. We currently have a fun voting triangle with JJJ, which I think will be easier to untangle tomorrow. My impression is more solvey and less posturing than JJJ, but that could simply be my bias against JJJ.
 
@motheatenlysis - neutral (W). And so begins the classic argument of "n00b vs wolf." As a fellow n00b, I'm certainly more prone to providing leeway, but I'm not following all the bouncing around regarding JJJ votes. I believe the best way to solve moth will be to compare interactions with others, and this will become clearer over time as more roles are revelaed.
 
@Dinashadow - neutral (W) - I agree with a few others than being quiet over a holiday weekend is probably NAI, but I would love to see more investigative work from her. I anticipate this read to swing wildly as she adds more content, since it's the one I'm currently least confident in here. I also have an inherent bias that makes me want to get my read of her correct for bragging rights, but she's making it difficult.
 
@DrWilgy - neutral (W). I was going to put the doc into the POE, but then the flurry of activity this morning brings me pause. I appreciate the wolf pack analysis, because I think this will be the best approach to game solving. It's just something that I dont think I have enough data to effectively replicate. The other reads are fairly benign. I need more time to digest.
 
@NateTheLesser - PoE - he was the lowest poster and I'm struggling to find any strong impressions that has made. He did call on me to improve my contributions, which was certainly valid, but also NAI. I generally view him as lurking in the background and trying to avoid stirring the pot. He does dive in with a few decent narrow points, which are nice, but also come off as low hanging fruit. Would probably be my next vote after JJJ if things don't change
 
@JaggedJimmyJay - PoE. I had early sus on him and still find him to be the most likely wolf. Historically, I've used strong analysis and participation as an indication of villageness, but I just can't give him the same latitude because I know he's a strong enough player to fake it. I do greatly appreciate the amount of content that has posted, but I currently view it as wishy washy instead of nuanced.
 
My brain was a bit too fuzzy for finding any smoking guns last night, but I figured I'd at least offer some reads on people.

The options are village lean, neutral, and PoE. For neutrals, I indicate which side I'd pick if forced to decide (since I don't think anyone should be true neutral at this point).

Excluded is Zenge, who is the villagest villager who has ever villaged. Maybe this could possibly be questioned on like D5 if we are about to lose, but any discourse today just seems silly

Posts are separated for discussion clarity and not just to bump my post count, I pinky promise:
Where did you pick up the phrase villagiest villager who has ever villager?

@samac - neutral (V). She has made some fine village points, but I'm overall wary of her ever since she blindsided me in PaWWsta. I find the jump on the dubz wagon to be NAI, since it would have been super sus for her to ignore Zenge's use of his card, especially since she lacked any strong reads herself. I'm counting on a village samac to make more game solving contributions, so I'm looking forward to see what she may contribute in the coming days
Stare Staring GIF
 
So is dina your constant?
Yeah, at this juncture I think Dina is the most likely to be W.

I don't think it's Boq, and highly doubt Dubz was pure.

After that is Moon. I know I said 50/50 but it's more like 55/45 if I'm being reaaaaally honest because Jay has me pocketed.
 
Dubz/genny interactions

Dubz on genny:

That's not how you get your reading card back, gennard

I asked because Zenge doesn't usually vote that early so the fact that he did to my mind meant there must be something pretty significant pinging him. Included genny because she hadn't talked about pippy at that point.

Ah I missed that post, happens on mobile

Oho, same wavelength as genny, that seems promising

village
wolf
village
village
wolf

The orange thing seems like a pocket. Otherwise not much to say.

genny on Dubz:

That's because Dubz is wolfing.

Uh oh.

Is Mayo where you’d vote if you don’t have to worry about self pres?

that doesn't sound like wolf!dubz. she's patient and will read packmates as needed.

what even is this

it's mayo vs. dubz right now

vote dubz before you lose your good seat on the bus

genny was one of the earlier people to express suspicion of Dubz. She didn't really take that anywhere, so the value is dulled. The red thing (directed at Boquise) bugs me a little, though that might be less about Dubz and more about Boquise. She gave him crap today, and that feels like entrapment. She ensured he couldn't win whatever he did. Since that's not expressly about Dubz association I will set it aside for now.

Conclusion

There isn't a lot to say. Gun to my head, genny isn't a great fit as a Dubz teammate.
 
I would appreciate some
Where did you pick up the phrase villagiest villager who has ever villager?

Its a totally original idea from myself.

In reality, now that I've learned how to use the SDN search function, I can directly attribute it to me reviewing Mayo's posts in fire emblem, but I'm pretty sure others have used variations of it quite often
 
I don’t know if I want to because I don’t know what village JJJ vs wolf JJJ going down looks like.
Once you see my role card, do me a favor and avoid assuming it's what village JJJ going down looks like. That depends entirely on the situation. I am only resigned in this case, because I think that's what's best for the game (and I don't get the impression folks are listening closely to me amid the confirmation bias).
 
I would appreciate some


Its a totally original idea from myself.

In reality, now that I've learned how to use the SDN search function, I can directly attribute it to me reviewing Mayo's posts in fire emblem, but I'm pretty sure others have used variations of it quite often
Appreciate some what? What were you typing

Also it’s a phrase I’ve used in wolf chat quite often and it made my nose hairs tickle
 
The other half formed thought was going to be (before Samac called me out):

I'd appreciate some more reads from Dina and Nate. I'm totally lost on their current PoE
 
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