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When do they stop interviewing? Is a LOI too late at this point?
Hello. So I have another random question, and this question has been bugging me for a long time. I really would love to be accepted to Loma Linda, and I know their first preference is for SDA and then for non-SDA Christians. Well, I am a pretty devout Christian (Presbyterian) and was wondering for you applicants, how much you emphasized your religion and God in your applications or personal statement? I am confused as to what I should do because a.) I am not a super strong applicant (low GPA, MCAT score yet to be determined, really good personal statement and decent extracurriculars), and so I do not want to ruin my chances of getting accepted to non-Christian schools, but I do not want to lose my chance at Loma Linda either because I do not mention religion in my application. I really don't know what to do. 😕 Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. 😳
Hello. So I have another random question, and this question has been bugging me for a long time. I really would love to be accepted to Loma Linda, and I know their first preference is for SDA and then for non-SDA Christians. Well, I am a pretty devout Christian (Presbyterian) and was wondering for you applicants, how much you emphasized your religion and God in your applications or personal statement? I am confused as to what I should do because a.) I am not a super strong applicant (low GPA, MCAT score yet to be determined, really good personal statement and decent extracurriculars), and so I do not want to ruin my chances of getting accepted to non-Christian schools, but I do not want to lose my chance at Loma Linda either because I do not mention religion in my application. I really don't know what to do. 😕 Any comments would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. 😳
There is an exam that all allopathic California medical students take (I just don't know about osteopathic). The exam consists of interviewing/examining a standardized patient (basically an actor who has been trained to act like a patient). You are videotaped and the examiners score you based upon your skills. LLU's average on this exam is always the highest.I have a couple of questions about LLU maybe someone can shed some light on them.
1. What does it mean when they told me that LLU has the students with best clinical skills out of all the Us in Cali?
Sorry, I have no idea.2. If/when do they send finaid packages to accepted students? what kinds they have?
DoctaJay will know more about this than I, but I think it will have new lecture halls, a new anatomy lab, and a new simulation lab. I'm sure there is more.3. Apologize my ignorance: what was the new huge construction on campus?
Yes.4. I believe their system is pass/fail, right?
Yes and yes. We are in transition, next year will be entirely on the new curriculum.5. Are they still in transition from the old curriculum (traditional) to the new (integrated)? Will my class be on the new curriculum?
I guess that more basic science profs would mean that each prof could give less lectures. More variety, but less continuity.6. I was told that there was a lack of basic science profs by one of my interviewers. How does this affect your education?
No, but I do know that the bottom line is your boards. I know one 4th year who got a 161 on step one and interviewed at Harvard, Mayo, etc. How you do on your boards is really up to the individual.7. I assume if you do well in the program you could potentially match in any residency you may be interested. I know their match list is not posted but does anyone know anything about it.
Technology is probably LLU's weakest area. There are not very many online resources. Pretty much everything is books and paper. I'm not sure what else to say...let me know if you have a more specific question.8. Finally, tell me something about the facilitation of learning/technolgy available at LLU.
Thank you very much in advance.
I know one 4th year who got a 161 on step one and interviewed at Harvard, Mayo, etc. How you do on your boards is really up to the individual.
You cant graduate with a 161, I think the minimum passing score is a 184 or atleast around there, so im sure it is 26😀Just wondering -- do you mean a 261? Or did the person really bomb the boards and still get sweet interviews?
Send in a LOI (letter of intent). Although LLU doesn't give much info over the phone or on their website, they take into consideration the desire the applicant has to attend LLU specifically. Its not guaranteed, but it does help.OK, so now I am terrified after reading this whole thread. I interviewed with LLU on Nov. 27, and have yet to hear anything from them. I am SDA from a non-SDA school. LLU is the only med-school I want to go to, so I am so bummed I haven't heard anything yet. Should I call to see if my rejection letter got lost in the mail?
But congrats to those who have been accepted!
The way LLU does it is based on the Pass/Fail system and overall points. So at the beginning of the year, they tell you what is a passing grade for each class (it is different for some classes like evidence based medicine). So lets say that to pass a CLASS, you needed to score a 70% or earn 700/1000 points from all of your tests. That means that you may be able to technically fail a couple of tests points wise, but if your overall points still equals 700 or more, then you have passed the class. That is essentially how it goes. So yes, LLU is truly Pass/Fail, but you just have the opportunity to see the actual points you earned.Is it a true Pass/Fail?? or do they have a hidden ranking, and do they give out grades in year 3/4?
So you can decide right before you apply??? or do you have to choose from Day 1? and how are the third and fourth year graded?? Is it out of 1000 also and a certain percentage of it is for the NBME test and a certain percentage from your directors evaluation, etc??The way LLU does it is based on the Pass/Fail system and overall points. So at the beginning of the year, they tell you what is a passing grade for each class (it is different for some classes like evidence based medicine). So lets say that to pass a CLASS, you needed to score a 70% or earn 700/1000 points from all of your tests. That means that you may be able to technically fail a couple of tests points wise, but if your overall points still equals 700 or more, then you have passed the class. That is essentially how it goes. So yes, LLU is truly Pass/Fail, but you just have the opportunity to see the actual points you earned.
In terms of ranking, LLU does it a really cool way in order to always make you look better. You are allowed to choose how you want to be ranked. You can choose to be ranked against your fellow classmates, or you can choose to be ranked depending on how you do on your NBME subject board tests which the majority of medical students in the country take. This is good because on average, LLU students do really well compared to other medical students on those tests. But if you happened to be ranked 87th percentile in your class, but on 67th percentile nationally on the subject boards, then you can choose the better of the two and that is what will go in your dean's letter.
I have a couple of questions about LLU maybe someone can shed some light on them.
1. What does it mean when they told me that LLU has the students with best clinical skills out of all the Us in Cali?
Like snowdoc said. There is a clinical skills test that all of the medical students in cali take. We've been #1 out of all the cali schools for the past 10 years, and the closest 2nd was 10% below us. They just really teach you great clinical skills here, which is something you'll take with you for the rest of your practice
2. If/when do they send finaid packages to accepted students? what kinds they have?
I recall it being sometime in the summer. its all done through your online account which you get as soon as you are accepted (whether you decide to matriculate or not) so it should be coming maybe around June or so.
3. Apologize my ignorance: what was the new huge construction on campus?
The centential complex.
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Its going to be sexy, new, and open in 2009. They are also moving the childrens hospital to a new site soon and replacing a large amount of the hospital with a special cancer institute.
4. I believe their system is pass/fail, right?
Yes, pass/fail. If you earn the points needed to pass the class, regardless of your individual test scores, then you passed the class.
5. Are they still in transition from the old curriculum (traditional) to the new (integrated)? Will my class be on the new curriculum?
My year is the last transition period. Your year (if you decide to matriculate) will be the first fully integrated year. Meaning that you won't have a physiology test anymore, but a Cardiovascular System test which includes the physio, anatomy, histology, embryology, etc. of the heart.
6. I was told that there was a lack of basic science profs by one of my interviewers. How does this affect your education?
The Dean of Education told us about this before the accrediation team came for their visitation. He explained to us that currently, for the amount of medical students LLU currently has, there ARE enough basic science professors. But if LLU has to increase their class size as mandated by the AAMC, then they wouldn't have enough basic science professors to meet the AAMC mandate. But they are luring more and more professors with the new facilities being built and various other methods. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about this. You'll have more than enough teachers for you needs.
7. I assume if you do well in the program you could potentially match in any residency you may be interested. I know their match list is not posted but does anyone know anything about it.
I've never seen it but they do have a map with the faces of the graduates stuck in the areas of the country they matched into. they had alot of faces in california and alot of the east coast. I'll keep my eyes open for a actual list
8. Finally, tell me something about the facilitation of learning/technolgy available at LLU.
Um, all of our tests or done by paper, and I'm not sure if they plan on transitioning anytime soon. Grades are online as wells as powerpoints, etc. Clinically, they have lots of robotic models for you to learn a host of skills. I'm not sure what to compare it too, but as a technological geek, the only thing I think we are lacking is school sponsored videotaping of the lectures. But most schools don't do this.
Thank you very much in advance.
I think you decide before your Dean's letter is written, so you'll have time to see which one is better, your NBME scores or your actual class rank.So you can decide right before you apply??? or do you have to choose from Day 1? and how are the third and fourth year graded?? Is it out of 1000 also and a certain percentage of it is for the NBME test and a certain percentage from your directors evaluation, etc??
thank you doctajay
Just wondering -- do you mean a 261? Or did the person really bomb the boards and still get sweet interviews?
So you can decide right before you apply??? or do you have to choose from Day 1? and how are the third and fourth year graded?? Is it out of 1000 also and a certain percentage of it is for the NBME test and a certain percentage from your directors evaluation, etc??
uh, am I the only one noticing how provocative this person's avatar is..? sorry to say, but I don't think this sort of display matches with what LLU is all about. I honestly feel like throwing some clothes on you, Amy.😳
So christians arent allowed to wear bikinis??? give me a breakuh, am I the only one noticing how provocative this person's avatar is..? sorry to say, but I don't think this sort of display matches with what LLU is all about. I honestly feel like throwing some clothes on you, Amy.😳
At the beggining of each quarter they give you a stack of papers for that quarter. You can go to class and then read them, or you can just read them, but either way, you are responsible for everything in that stack. This is how much we have learned (paper stack wise) from the start of medical school up to the last test week (2 weeks ago):DoctaJay - thanks for all your help in answering the questions. I have another to add to the slew of questions already answered. How do lectures and notes work - are you given paper packets of notes or online notes or do you have to take your own notes?
Thanks!😀
So christians arent allowed to wear bikinis??? give me a break
I am well aware of LLUs policies and am fairly well read on the seventh day religion. I spent 10 years of my life growing up there. While some of my beliefs may be different than LLUs (caffeine and meat), I strongly believe in the mission of the university which is basically to put out competent, christian physicians. Its not like Im soliciting sex, so please dont be so quick to judge and basically say that I dont uphold LLUs religious values because IMO that is rather hypocrital. I also dont think putting swim apparel in the same category as getting wasted and drugs is fair either.I guess you just don't get it, do you? what do you suppose is the reason for all this discussion about there not being any caffeine served on campus and everything being closed on Saturdays??
To answer your question, of course you're allowed to wear bikinis... just as how you're also allowed to smoke, drink, eat unclean meats, or not keep the Sabbath; it's all a matter of personal choice.
I am well aware of LLUs policies and am fairly well read on the seventh day religion. I spent 10 years of my life growing up there. While some of my beliefs may be different than LLUs (caffeine and meat), I strongly believe in the mission of the university which is basically to put out competent, christian physicians. Its not like Im soliciting sex, so please dont be so quick to judge and basically say that I dont uphold LLUs religious values because IMO that is rather hypocrital. I also dont think putting swim apparel in the same category as getting wasted and drugs is fair either.
I am not trying to start any arguments. I have my opinion and you have yours, and this is all I am going to say on the subject
Thank you.
Go back and read my first two sentences again. Thankfully, all that matters is what the Adcoms thinkIf you look back to my original post you'll see that I did not say you're soliciting sex. My point is that LLU is a conservative, SDA institution and your avatar is hardly anything conservative. If I may, what point are you trying to make by using that picture anyway?
To tdsbird, I think you meant to say "holy" and not holly, which is either a woman's name or that of a tree. If this thread were about any other medical school then yes this topic would be irrelevant.
As with other institutions, LLU has its own culture and tradition that many might find difficult to live by; either you [can] accept them or not. This is something to really consider before making any long-term commitments.
😱😱At the beggining of each quarter they give you a stack of papers for that quarter. You can go to class and then read them, or you can just read them, but either way, you are responsible for everything in that stack. This is how much we have learned (paper stack wise) from the start of medical school up to the last test week (2 weeks ago):
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Lol, don't be scared...its doable 😀
P.S.-Actually, the stack should be larger since I don't have my patient diagnosis papers in that stack.
So are there any good places to eat in Loma Linda or redlands anymore? and are the number of gangs still prevalent?
Also are there any athletic facilities available for med students and what are they like
So are there any good places to eat in Loma Linda or redlands anymore? and are the number of gangs still prevalent?
Also are there any athletic facilities available for med students and what are they like
well i am glad that your rebuttal to my argument is my horrible spelling
I am a catholic who loves meat and drinks alcohol and the SDA dr. I work under bought me a beer and a chicken dinner when he took me to dinner one night I saw two girls in the Loma Linda rec center's hot tub in (as small as that picture) bikinis and no one said a thing If either of you two come here to visit or for school you will see that these points I make are apparent everywhere.
I don't think either of you would act this way if you, as a person, could be connected to your words.
Loma linda is a great place (with some beautiful women and some perverted guys (and probably switched around as well)). All I can suggest is to respect each other and if you are Christian leave the judging up to God.
Keep it real folks.
Birds, bees, and flowers are God's creations; women, on the other hand, are one level above that as they are our [men's] equal counterparts.OK, I've had enough. I am a Christian, and a pretty conservative one, at that. While I wouldn't necessarily flaunt photos of scantily clad women on my computer, I do appreciate the distinctive features of the opposite sex--are they not also God's creation?
"Intolerance" is too strong a word to use because I am hardly intolerant as you seem impatient. The only reason I would ever breathe down yours or anyone's back is if there's a good reason for me to do so (e.g. we were on the moon and you carried an oxygen tank on your back). Following tdsbird2's reasoning, bringing Starbucks to class is hardly comparable to walking around half-naked. As I've previously mentioned however, LLU has traditionally been a conservative school. I'm not an expert on LLU, but if being liberal is something you just can't change then you might have a tough time adapting to some of their policies. That being said, I do hope you [and everyone else] end up at LLU.Now, if I end up at Loma Linda, I sincerely hope that your kind of intolerant attitude will be the minority. I will get quite annoyed if people like you breathe down my back for bringing Starbucks to class, or urge a fellow classmate to protect her bosom.
sounds good to me😀Ha very true amwatts. I almost had a heart attack when I saw how liberal the West Coast adventism was compared to the east coast version I was used to back home. And us adventists on the east coast aren't anywhere as conservative as the folks back in Michigan (kind of where the church started). Its all relative...but we all get along here at LLU, and we should continue that theme and get along here in this thread.
Lets get this thread back on track...any idea of how many acceptances Loma Linda has given out? And how many acceptaces do they normally offer?