Magical WW Signups and Game Thread

Veterinary Science Graduate Programs from U. of I.
This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.
SummerTheLynx said:
Kaydubs - "I may have upped the ante on the chaos win condition." This was like day 4-5
Click to expand...

Considering that you interpreted kaydubs' comment about nyankos hockey stick to mean that her character literally had a hockey stick, I'm not surprised you thought that she was actually changing your win condition... But no :laugh: She was joking.
 
I originally wanted everyone to have an ability and cool role because I wanted everyone to have a fun time! I now see that it made things more complicated than they needed to be, but I still hope people had fun lol. Lots of items and seering and whatnot!
 
hazelmoo said:
I originally wanted everyone to have an ability and cool role because I wanted everyone to have a fun time! I now see that it made things more complicated than they needed to be, but I still hope people had fun lol. Lots of items and seering and whatnot!
Click to expand...
There are some people who will complain about having a vanilla role, especially if there are cool roles in the game. But, there are some who will not (me!) and it does make it much easier to balance and mod. I did have fun for the very limited time that I was around. Wolves were very rude this game :rage:
 
With that weirdness about chaos aside, this was super fun. Kam's a jerk. 😛 Glad to keep up my streak of communication roles. 😀

One design question - why no village assassin?

And who got raf's wings when she died? (Really liked that idea btw. Last huzzah for a protector).
 
katashark said:
The first few nights, tabulating night actions was so hard. I wanted everyone to die.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
Click to expand...
I would say you maybe had a bit of an item overload, between the items that were already in the game and then the items that were created as well. That's an easy thing to cut back on, which would make balancing the game and closing night a little bit easier.
 
We didn't do the wings or unicorn horn when they died :arghh:
 
Trilt said:
With that weirdness about chaos aside, this was super fun. Kam's a jerk. 😛 Glad to keep up my streak of communication roles. 😀

One design question - why no village assassin?

And who got raf's wings when she died? (Really liked that idea btw. Last huzzah for a protector).
Click to expand...
Based off of MQs role, I thought Jil was?
 
raf2769 said:
I love how I died... "head on a pike, body nowhere to be found"

I was at work and I wanted to explain to someone how awesome it was, but no one would've understood lol


Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
Click to expand...

I've been trying to explain WW to my SO for a year, and he still doesn't understand...
 
hazelmoo said:
I've been trying to explain WW to my SO for a year, and he still doesn't understand...
Click to expand...
I tried explaining to my family.
Wife: So are you a wolf, or a villager?
Me: Villager.
Her: Ah, but if you were a wolf, you'd lie, right? That's how the game works? So how do we know you're really a villager?
13yo: Mama, there's not any reason for her to lie to *us*.
 
hazelmoo said:
I've been trying to explain WW to my SO for a year, and he still doesn't understand...
Click to expand...
I just talk to mine about it as if he knows what I'm talking about :laugh: He does tabletop RPG (Pathfinder for anyone who knows about that) so he kind of got it anyway. I think I've talked about it enough that he understands most of it now 😀
 
katashark said:
Yeah next time! so the only mod made item was the lamp. The rest were all created.


Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
Click to expand...
Oh! I didn't realize this.
Hayley was the other item maker, right? I guess our roles were similar after all :laugh:
 
I randomly started talking about it to my SO the other night... "I thought I was going to die, but I think I talked my way out of it, but I might die tonight.." he obviously wasn't paying attention that I was talking about WW and then was just like wait, what???


Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
 
WildZoo said:
Oh! I didn't realize this.
Hayley was the other item maker, right? I guess our roles were similar after all :laugh:
Click to expand...
I thought that was funny , cause people were misinterpreting when I said similar but they literally were the same!
 
Some comments on the game from my own perspective:
  • I think the balancing was a bit off in this game. I was sort of expecting it since it was your first game that you two put together/modded (and balancing is super hard so balancing issues are common in first games). In particular I think some limits to the types of items made should have been put together. There were a lot of seering items going around and combined with the actual seers we effectively had up to 3/4 seers a night sometimes. I would have put a limit on the total number of items of any one use allowed to be made in the game (e.g. seering/protecting/PM starting etc.) or given the items fail rates to balance things out a bit more. This gives the added bonus of forcing the item makers to come up with wacky things to toss out to the village, which is always interesting. I know the day I was lynched Genny and I had both received seering items and broke them and there were still quite a few seering items left in the game after that. It would help you manage night results a little more easily too to not have to deal with distributing so many items to people.
  • For the above reason in the future I would recommend only having one item maker in games (again, this is personal preference).
  • I think some of the descriptions we as wolves had been given were a bit misleading at times. I was confused when an item was able to seer our unseerable wolf simply because I thought the use of an item that way went against the merit of the role (since unseerable wolves are usually put in the force the villagers to play more strategically rather than relying on seering). I was also confused when genny died when she got lynched as her description told her she could only die when all other wolves were dead, though I do understand that when she died all original wolves were dead at the time. I supposed what I'm suggesting is slightly more narrow/clear role descriptions that explain things like "you can only die when all original wolves are dead" rather than "when the rest of the wolves are dead", that sort of thing.
  • In general I'm not a fan of sharing game mechanic information with players unless it is part of their role to receive it. STL should have never been asked if he wanted to be converted (either yes/no as to whether or not he was converted) and he should not have been told that he would lose all of his abilities, as that is game mechanic information that was subsequently used to hunt wolves later in the game.
  • What exactly was STL's role ability? Throughout the game it seemed like he could ask the mods, kill, protect, seer, etc. and I think his role was really overpowered in this game even if he was chaos.

Remember that a lot of the above is either personal preference or something that I personally felt made the game confusing for me (I will add that I had like four orientations and some exams during this week, so I also couldn't pay as much attention as I'd like and that made things difficult too lol).

All in all it was a fun game and I thought it was a good showing for your first game. The roles were very creative and I really liked the mechanic of my Medusa role where people were frozen by me for a day cycle. I also liked how you split up roles that are traditionally only given to one person, as it forces the village to be more strategic and makes it harder for wolves to completely get rid of a certain ability in one go (things like the even/odd protectors, seers who could check affiliation vs role name, etc.).

Also, I kind of wish bigfoot/the abominable snowman had made it into this game, as I always think it's fun when there's an unseerable wolf and an unfortunately seerable villager in the same game. It gives people more pause about seering results and leads to some interesting claims in late game.

Also, just a game design question - is there any particular reason why villager/chaos abilities weren't revealed when they died, but wolf abilities were? There's no particular reason, I was just wondering.
 
vetmedhead said:
Also, just a game design question - is there any particular reason why villager/chaos abilities weren't revealed when they died, but wolf abilities were? There's no particular reason, I was just wondering.
Click to expand...
So I could pretend to be a coroner of course. 😀
 
Trilt said:
So I could pretend to be a coroner of course. 😀
Click to expand...

Wolves couldn't be brought back! From now on if I mod, I will release that information upon death though. I like it better that way!
 
Speaking of which, what was the deal with LotF's mixed coloration on the death list?
 
vetmedhead said:
:smack:
This is why I'm surprised the wolves won, I really was not bringing my A game (or B game or C game) to this WW haha
Click to expand...
Actually, I'm hoping I don't get a reputation as a completely bumbling wolf, because both times I've been a wolf we've won and it was almost completely through a combination of dumb luck on my part and actual competence on the part of the other wolves.
 
Just one minor piece of feedback I'd have, and I know I joked about this a bit in PMs with the mods, but maybe if there are total newbies playing for the first time then just let us know what particular edition of WW the game is being based on, or if it's not being based on a particular edition of WW then let us know that too - like maybe say something like, 'House rules, not based on official or known fan versions of the WW game apply'.

I got completely thrown off by AM's confession at the start of the game about being a Mage and being able to see all sorts of stuff, implying that she had seering abilities. I went scouring through a metric f**k tonne of information on pretty much every version of WW I could find, including all of the different WW official, extension packs and fan based kickstarter releases, and I could not find one single instance of a Mage role having a seer ability. Hence I was suspicious of AM from the start, and had I stayed in the game I would have been even more suspicious of her when she stated out right that she was a village seer - and that suspicion was solely because I perceived her to be lying about her ability because it didn't match with her role as I understood it. Of course it made sense when I found out the game wasn't following *insert version/edition number whatever of WW*, but rather the roles and abilities were being uniquely created for this particular game alone.

And yes my love of Mythology got me killed. My first instinct was to ability seer AM, because, as I said above, I thought something was off about her role and ability claim; instead I decided I should probably start with checking out my own group first to see who I could trust, or who I needed to perhaps be a bit more strategic with. I'd already sussed out that Genny was a wolf (sorry Genny) just based on the sheer amount of 'common wolf play strategy' articles I'd read, so I basically went to the top of the list and was going to start working my way down. So my first ability seer was VMH, who ended up turning me to stone, and when I found out with the write up, and later mod confirmation that that is what had actually happened to me (and we were joking about irony, because I'd only been talking about Gorgons on the thread the previous cycle, plus I was playing my Dragon role as Stheno) the first thing I thought was 'Okay, so VMH can turn people to stone, I guess that means we're talking about a Gorgon, and the most obvious Gorgon would be Medusa, but surely the mods wouldn't have gone with Hesiod's Theogony version of the Medusa story, Ovid's version of the myth is way better known than Hesiod's and Medusa is a tragic figure in Ovid's version, not an outright monster'. So I decided I couldn't make a judgement call on VMH's alliance as a wolf or villager, because 'Ovid' (blah blah blah tragic figure, blah blah blah not inherently evil, blah blah blah oops I'm dead). :smack:

More to come, I'm being lap invaded by a smoochy kitty who won't let me post properly. 😍
 
Ceke2002 said:
Just one minor piece of feedback I'd have, and I know I joked about this a bit in PMs with the mods, but maybe if there are total newbies playing for the first time then just let us know what particular edition of WW the game is being based on, or if it's not being based on a particular edition of WW then let us know that too - like maybe say something like, 'House rules, not based on official or known fan versions of the WW game apply'.

I got completely thrown off by AM's confession at the start of the game about being a Mage and being able to see all sorts of stuff, implying that she had seering abilities. I went scouring through a metric f**k tonne of information on pretty much every version of WW I could find, including all of the different WW official, extension packs and fan based kickstarter releases, and I could not find one single instance of a Mage role having a seer ability. Hence I was suspicious of AM from the start, and had I stayed in the game I would have been even more suspicious of her when she stated out right that she was a village seer - and that suspicion was solely because I perceived her to be lying about her ability because it didn't match with her role as I understood it. Of course it made sense when I found out the game wasn't following *insert version/edition number whatever of WW*, but rather the roles and abilities were being uniquely created for this particular game alone.

And yes my love of Mythology got me killed. My first instinct was to ability seer AM, because, as I said above, I thought something was off about her role and ability claim; instead I decided I should probably start with checking out my own group first to see who I could trust, or who I needed to perhaps be a bit more strategic with. I'd already sussed out that Genny was a wolf (sorry Genny) just based on the sheer amount of 'common wolf play strategy' articles I'd read, so I basically went to the top of the list and was going to start working my way down. So my first ability seer was VMH, who ended up turning me to stone, and when I found out with the write up, and later mod confirmation that that is what had actually happened to me (and we were joking about irony, because I'd only been talking about Gorgons on the thread the previous cycle, plus I was playing my Dragon role as Stheno) the first thing I thought was 'Okay, so VMH can turn people to stone, I guess that means we're talking about a Gorgon, and the most obvious Gorgon would be Medusa, but surely the mods wouldn't have gone with Hesiod's Theogony version of the Medusa story, Ovid's version of the myth is way better known than Hesiod's and Medusa is a tragic figure in Ovid's version, not an outright monster'. So I decided I couldn't make a judgement call on VMH's alliance as a wolf or villager, because 'Ovid' (blah blah blah tragic figure, blah blah blah not inherently evil, blah blah blah oops I'm dead). :smack:

More to come, I'm being lap invaded by a smoochy kitty who won't let me post properly. 😍
Click to expand...
I actually feel super lucky that we killed you early because I think your sheer willingness to learn as much as possible about the game, the histories of the roles in it, and strategies regarding how it's played would have gotten us all killed super early.

I am sorry I killed you though. 🙁
 
vetmedhead said:
I actually feel super lucky that we killed you early because I think your sheer willingness to learn as much as possible about the game, the histories of the roles in it, and strategies regarding how it's played would have gotten us all killed super early.

I am sorry I killed you though. 🙁
Click to expand...

It's okay, I joined the game with the understanding that I could be killed at any time, even if that meant being killed early in the game. And it was my stupid overthinking mythological aspects that got me killed anyway. :laugh:
 
Ceke2002 said:
It's okay, I joined the game with the understanding that I could be killed at any time, even if that meant being killed early in the game. And it was my stupid overthinking mythological aspects that got me killed anyway. :laugh:
Click to expand...
This isn't what got you killed, I felt pretty guilty about killing you early, actually, I like for first timers to get to hang around longer. We knew you were the ability seer, that's what got you killed!
 
I definitely enjoyed being an awesome, derpy unicorn......

Here's the pic I sent the mods after I got my role:

8be1087cdd209a630e74b986b4e57eed-d67zmol.png
 
Kam325 said:
This isn't what got you killed, I felt pretty guilty about killing you early, actually, I like for first timers to get to hang around longer. We knew you were the ability seer, that's what got you killed!
Click to expand...

Yes, but I was planning to strategise my way around that. 😉
 
Ceke2002 said:
Just one minor piece of feedback I'd have, and I know I joked about this a bit in PMs with the mods, but maybe if there are total newbies playing for the first time then just let us know what particular edition of WW the game is being based on, or if it's not being based on a particular edition of WW then let us know that too - like maybe say something like, 'House rules, not based on official or known fan versions of the WW game apply'.

I got completely thrown off by AM's confession at the start of the game about being a Mage and being able to see all sorts of stuff, implying that she had seering abilities. I went scouring through a metric f**k tonne of information on pretty much every version of WW I could find, including all of the different WW official, extension packs and fan based kickstarter releases, and I could not find one single instance of a Mage role having a seer ability. Hence I was suspicious of AM from the start, and had I stayed in the game I would have been even more suspicious of her when she stated out right that she was a village seer - and that suspicion was solely because I perceived her to be lying about her ability because it didn't match with her role as I understood it. Of course it made sense when I found out the game wasn't following *insert version/edition number whatever of WW*, but rather the roles and abilities were being uniquely created for this particular game alone.

And yes my love of Mythology got me killed. My first instinct was to ability seer AM, because, as I said above, I thought something was off about her role and ability claim; instead I decided I should probably start with checking out my own group first to see who I could trust, or who I needed to perhaps be a bit more strategic with. I'd already sussed out that Genny was a wolf (sorry Genny) just based on the sheer amount of 'common wolf play strategy' articles I'd read, so I basically went to the top of the list and was going to start working my way down. So my first ability seer was VMH, who ended up turning me to stone, and when I found out with the write up, and later mod confirmation that that is what had actually happened to me (and we were joking about irony, because I'd only been talking about Gorgons on the thread the previous cycle, plus I was playing my Dragon role as Stheno) the first thing I thought was 'Okay, so VMH can turn people to stone, I guess that means we're talking about a Gorgon, and the most obvious Gorgon would be Medusa, but surely the mods wouldn't have gone with Hesiod's Theogony version of the Medusa story, Ovid's version of the myth is way better known than Hesiod's and Medusa is a tragic figure in Ovid's version, not an outright monster'. So I decided I couldn't make a judgement call on VMH's alliance as a wolf or villager, because 'Ovid' (blah blah blah tragic figure, blah blah blah not inherently evil, blah blah blah oops I'm dead). :smack:

More to come, I'm being lap invaded by a smoochy kitty who won't let me post properly. 😍
Click to expand...

Oh, and every game we play here is designed specially by the mods---new roles, abilities, mechanics, etc. are in place with each new game--figuring them out is part of the fun! So you can expect any future games you play to be run the same way.
 
Last edited:
I appreciated the rez attempt btw. 😀

And feeling - then knowing - VMH was sketch (from talking to Ceke) was part of why I wasn't reading genny as wolfy. Her actions felt like things I would do as a villager, and my brain wanted to make one of the two a wolf, not both. The feels were much stronger on VMH.

...genny might also just have to join Caiter/Hayley as people I don't trust myself reading.
 
Biggest question, how did I get seered as the unseerable wolf?

And a little constructive criticism, I feel like mods made a few comments that may or may not have pushed gameplay in a certain direction or imply mechanics, as with STL's PM and misunderstanding.
 
vetmedhead said:
What exactly was STL's role ability? Throughout the game it seemed like he could ask the mods, kill, protect, seer, etc. and I think his role was really overpowered in this game even if he was chaos.
Click to expand...

I'd like to second this question...

I was kind of confused when he seemed to have an "ask-the-mods" role since that was my ability and it seemed like an odd ability to duplicate but honestly even here at the end of the game I don't have a clue what he could actually do.
 
finnickthedog said:
I'd like to second this question...

I was kind of confused when he seemed to have an "ask-the-mods" role since that was my ability and it seemed like an odd ability to duplicate but honestly even here at the end of the game I don't have a clue what he could actually do.
Click to expand...
Lie. The thing he could actually do was lie. 🙁
 
so please don't take this the wrong way, but I feel like new mods should *probably* try modding a less complicated game before getting in to stuff like this. It helps get an idea of how balancing works because there's always something you don't anticipate.
 
allyphoe said:
Lie. The thing he could actually do was lie. 🙁
Click to expand...

Well I can't fault him for that... I lied my butt off the last couple days.

I was really glad I hadn't explicitly outed my ability at any point because it was gone once I got converted and I would have been in a pickle trying to make up fake q&a's. It was hard enough to come up with real questions! Good thing no one questioned it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Animal Midwife
Death Nommy - Game Thread
83 84 85 86 87
Replies
4K
Views
56K
Animal Midwife
Animal Midwife
WildZoo
SDN Fairgrounds - 10th Annual Noob WW Game
86 87 88 89 90
Replies
4K
Views
49K
katiemcat
katiemcat
WildZoo
  • Poll Poll
Mission ImpoWWssible Game Thread
46 47 48 49 50
Replies
2K
Views
40K
Clem J
Clem J
WildZoo
Noob WW Game 2025 Sign Ups: All New WW Players Welcome! (CLOSED)
2 3 4 5 6
Replies
250
Views
16K
supershorty
supershorty
kaydubs
Melee WW Game Thread-April 2024
27 28 29 30 31
Replies
2K
Views
31K
Sandy Dikson
Sandy Dikson
Top