The Good PWWace - GAME THREAD

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Scum reads for me, in no particular order, is @Clem J , @_rae_ , @genny , @CeeGee14 . I think it is unlikely that all 4 of them are scum, because many of them are also pointing fingers at each other, but I would not be surprised if there are at least 2 scum here.
-Clem is obvious; I am trying to avoid falling into the trap of tunneling on him, and to a point that @WildZoo made last night it's almost preposterous that he would make such a blunder to shoot himself in the foot and lie so blatantly if scum.
-genny: to use the term someone else used, it's like grinding gears. Maybe they're super busy. But I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been really any sort of pointed needling of her apparent POE.
-rae: I'm sort of conflicted on, and I know this is a departure from how I felt on D1. But as time has gone on, I just don't feel like there was a ton of nuance to the reads. Top reads seem to be Clem and genny, who I think are among the top two for everyone (I guess including me), and her reasoning in the reads list yesterday for all of her scum reads was some variation of "something's not right." By now I feel like we would have gotten something more substantial.
Tbh this is a helluva take. I've been on clem since day one (and I was right, something funky is going on there we just don't know what yet). I feel my reads have evolved with new information, and I'm desperately searching for a mechanic or trigger so we can get affiliations. I'm normally fine taking a "scummy" read from others because I am a sus villager, but I am working to solve just like everyone else.

I am a blunt person so please don't take this as me being mad or upset
 
Currently town in my reads, in no particular order: @Animal Midwife , @finnickthedog , @Barkley13 , @kitzsuna . I have seen nothing in particular from these players to raise a red flag for me (with the slight exception of kitzsuna who I brought up yesterday briefly, but ultimately not enough to worry me yet). This group also is exclusively players who I have literally no experience playing with, which is moderately concerning... but I can't concoct a read that I don't have, even if I think this doesn't look ideal for me.
why is barky so high in your village reads?
 
Tbh this is a helluva take. I've been on clem since day one (and I was right, something funky is going on there we just don't know what yet). I feel my reads have evolved with new information, and I'm desperately searching for a mechanic or trigger so we can get affiliations. I'm normally fine taking a "scummy" read from others because I am a sus villager, but I am working to solve just like everyone else.

I am a blunt person so please don't take this as me being mad or upset
No offense taken 🙂

I just don't feel the same depth in your reads that I feel I would have gotten by this point in the game. Maybe some of it is the fact that a LOT more energy than usual was spent in the mechanical weeds yesterday (globally, not just you) than doing ISO's on specific players and putting pressure on sus players. Nevertheless, if I'm doing the exercise of who am I watching closely and trying to look beyond Clem who is a giant neon sign... this is what I feel, at this moment in time.
 
I would say that my only regret right now is not having a solid decision on Clem. He's been caught lying, multiple people have said he's acting off, and yet he's still here.
I mean, the majority of people voted Zenge (including yourself). That would be why he's still alive.
 
I mean, the majority of people voted Zenge (including yourself). That would be why he's still alive.
Well yes, I know, but I do believe my initial sus was clem and I've said that since day one. I voted apop to self prez, I voted zenge because I both saw what other people were seeing and clem and zenge were close enough and I felt strongly enough about Zenge being jester/neutral that it felt reasonable. But clem getting caught in a lie absolutely should have pushed him over.
 
Alright. Is this just something you have to say regardless of yeet outcome?
Nope, just switching up my playstyle to a more consumable form.

But how does that make you feel, AM?
Interested The Office GIF
 
Maybe some of it is the fact that a LOT more energy than usual was spent in the mechanical weeds yesterday (globally, not just you) than doing ISO's on specific players and putting pressure on sus players.
I just don't understand how I'm sus for not having nuanced reads but your offering reads of all the players you haven't played with as village because they're "hard to read".
 
Well yes, I know, but I do believe my initial sus was clem and I've said that since day one. I voted apop to self prez, I voted zenge because I both saw what other people were seeing and clem and zenge were close enough and I felt strongly enough about Zenge being jester/neutral that it felt reasonable. But clem getting caught in a lie absolutely should have pushed him over.
Without you on the vote? Like I'd understand the stress if you voted me with him but even I'm not that plussed Zenge died.
 
why is barky so high in your village reads?
I just haven't seen anything specific to raise a red flag for me, and at this point everyone else I have ranked higher has given me a red flag. During the next day cycle or two, I probably need to start re-evaluating the people in that group. But I think I have ample POE to work through for 1-2 vote cycles and then can reassess based on new information.

I just don't understand how I'm sus for not having nuanced reads but your offering reads of all the players you haven't played with as village because they're "hard to read".
See above, and also a slight distinction but I said they "haven't raised a red flag," not that they are "hard to read." It isn't for a lack of examination that I'm currently reading them village, it's just that nothing I read specifically stuck out to me as wolfy. As I said, I am aware it is not an ideal look for me, but it's where I am atm. If some of the other veteran players who *have* played with those other players more have strong opinions, I'd certainly listen.
 
Without you on the vote? Like I'd understand the stress if you voted me with him but even I'm not that plussed Zenge died.
I'm not plussed that zenge died. We needed zenge out of the way for the reasons he stated (night actions and misyeet). I'm plussed that everyone seems real chill with clem lying and are sus reading people for not being okay with that?
 
I'm not plussed that zenge died. We needed zenge out of the way for the reasons he stated (night actions and misyeet). I'm plussed that everyone seems real chill with clem lying and are sus reading people for not being okay with that?
Sometimes people lie Janet, that's life
 
I'm not plussed that zenge died. We needed zenge out of the way for the reasons he stated (night actions and misyeet). I'm plussed that everyone seems real chill with clem lying and are sus reading people for not being okay with that?
Who do you notice being chill?
 
I'm not plussed that zenge died. We needed zenge out of the way for the reasons he stated (night actions and misyeet). I'm plussed that everyone seems real chill with clem lying and are sus reading people for not being okay with that?
THB, I was just really excited about the Points thing.....
 
I'm plussed that everyone seems real chill with clem lying and are sus reading people for not being okay with that?
Who is sus reading people for not being okay with Clem lying?

Like I will admit I'm not as bothered by Clem lying as others but that's because 1) I know Clem 2) I know villagers lie all the time (hi Midwife) and 3) I have my doubts that a scum Clem makes the exact sequence of choices he made here
 
Who is sus reading people for not being okay with Clem lying?

Like I will admit I'm not as bothered by Clem lying as others but that's because 1) I know Clem 2) I know villagers lie all the time (hi Midwife) and 3) I have my doubts that a scum Clem makes the exact sequence of choices he made here
Why would villagers lie? /gen
 
I'm plussed that everyone seems real chill with clem lying
If this was directed at me, this is certainly not accurate. I was voting Clem until 13 minutes left on the clock, and then begrudgingly moved because it seemed it was necessary. But I said in a couple of different ways that we can't forget he lied. You can go back at the posts I made at the time and see it all there.
 
Oh Clem lol

Anyway I think my other statements still stand for my general feeling on it

Don't really care at this point if others want to go there, just doesn't feel like scum!Clem behavior to me.

Not that I have a great handle on what we're doing from this point forward anyway.
 
Quite literally only AM and I have acknowledged the post where Clem straight up said "I am not a mason I was lying"
As I said above, this is demonstrably untrue:

I'm pretty confused, but y'all seem pretty confident, so...

I just ask we remember that Clem lied about the whole mason thing.

Unvote @Clem J
Vote @Zenge142

@supershorty @kaydubs @SARdoghandler

I mean he said it way back at the beginning. Either lied then, and told an extensive lie about a neighbor he never had, or he's lying now.


Someone is killing people at night :shrug:
 
Quite literally only AM and I have acknowledged the post where Clem straight up said "I am not a mason I was lying"

Not directly addressing it is not the same as being chill with and sus reading people who aren't.

Speaking for myself, I didn't address it because there was no need to at the time. Clem was sketchy to me before that and I was still voting for them.

It also sort of feels like you're giving yourself too much credit here seeing as you didn't even vote for them.
 
Not directly addressing it is not the same as being chill with and sus reading people who aren't.

Speaking for myself, I didn't address it because there was no need to at the time. Clem was sketchy to me before that and I was still voting for them.

It also sort of feels like you're giving yourself too much credit here seeing as you didn't even vote for them.
Oh my god I'm not giving myself any credit I'm saying that to me I don't understand why spurs and I got sussed for being sus of clem, and now that clem is sus, we're just moving on.
 
Oh my god I'm not giving myself any credit I'm saying that to me I don't understand why spurs and I got sussed for being sus of clem, and now that clem is sus, we're just moving on.
But like where did this happen?
 
Oh my god I'm not giving myself any credit I'm saying that to me I don't understand why spurs and I got sussed for being sus of clem, and now that clem is sus, we're just moving on.

I'm still unclear on where anyone was sus read for not being ok with clem lying.

I've been sus reading clem for awhile and not darn person has called me out for that.

I'm also not clear as to why you think everyone is "moving on" just because we're not beating a dead horse about it. Clem lied. Okay. Until we're in a day cycle there's nothing to about it and not really a whole lot to discuss.
 
D1, when both spurs and I said "hmm this feels not right"
That was pre-lying being known. You said you were sussed for being suspicious of him lying.

It was D1 and Clem is consistently low hanging fruit. Shrugs.
 
I'm still unclear on where anyone was sus read for not being ok with clem lying.

I've been sus reading clem for awhile and not darn person has called me out for that.

I'm also not clear as to why you think everyone is "moving on" just because we're not beating a dead horse about it. Clem lied. Okay. Until we're in a day cycle there's nothing to about it and not really a whole lot to discuss.
Clearly I am not communicating effectively is part of the problem.

Clem claimed mason

Many of the nooblets were told D1 clem was a boring vote or a basic read

I vote clem

We yeet apop

I still sus clem but hold off on voting because it seems like it got me in trouble the day before

Clem was pushed for claiming mason

We voted zenge because we thought Zenge was a jester and we have our (seemingly most popular current theory) that win cons need to be met for affiliations to flip

Clem is tied with Zenge and admits to lying (and also forgets who he voted for and who he was voting with)

Squeeb votes Zenge

I do not move because we were to close to a tie risk with 12 minutes left in the cycle

I voice my concerns over not yeeting clem yesterday but acknowledge zenge is still a useful flip

We are now here, with you two up my butt again for all the same stuff
 
That was pre-lying being known. You said you were sussed for being suspicious of him lying.

It was D1 and Clem is consistently low hanging fruit. Shrugs.
I do believe your actual words were "unexciting"
 
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