MarWWel -- GAME THREAD

[BobLoblaw78]

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Wait, so assuming bob is telling the truth and made it to the endgame, would he win WITH village, or would he be stealing the village win for himself?

We share the win. On Lokis honor! (Lololol)

For real. I think it is share. I’ll check even though you will never believe me now! Lol

 

[Truenamer]

Wait, so assuming bob is telling the truth and made it to the endgame, would he win WITH village, or would he be stealing the village win for himself?

The way it's described (and from what I see on the Mafia wiki) it's that he'd also win.

 

[Zenge142]

I guess the biggest issue I have with Bob’s wincon is he has still yet to participate in a village misyeet.

 

[violetvett]

I guess the biggest issue I have with Bob’s wincon is he has still yet to participate in a village misyeet.

Didn't he misyeet TME?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I’m Neutral and can win WITH either side.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Wait, so assuming bob is telling the truth and made it to the endgame, would he win WITH village, or would he be stealing the village win for himself?

It is quite rare to have a 3p solo win without them being a serial killer role

I can only think of one (@WildZoo ) in my semi-recent memory but I've missed about a year's worth of games. Most 3ps can win with either side as long as they havemet their own personal win con, which as of right now Bob hasn't based on his stated wincon

 

[SARdoghandler]

Ooh Dubz is back I can't wait for her to see my tag so she can preen just a bit

 

[Zenge142]

Didn't he misyeet TME?

TME wasn’t yeeted

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Didn't he misyeet TME?

No. TME died and I was on her vote.

I am very incentivized to be on wagons. Then TME wound up dead at vote close for no good reason. I tinfoiled to Samac that maybe whoever I vote for dies. That is why they want me to try and be on the lead wagon for wincon so it doesn’t become obvious.

Crazy tinfoil but I thought Samac would enjoy

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I guess the biggest issue I have with Bob’s wincon is he has still yet to participate in a village misyeet.

I will agree to stick on the lead wagon. I still think there is two wolves.

This whole game I’ve been playing as village mindset and I am sure you can see it

 

[violetvett]

Dana's been giving me the creeps recently. I've already mentioned why I think she's neutral but there's a bunch of factors including tone and the weird agreements and disagreements she's been doing with my village self.

I keep forgetting genny and kdswg are alive, and that's usually not a good sign.

(Also, I think I've made a "I'm village" comment somewhere before, so if you want to lie detect me, go for it shelty. It'll come back village, pinky promise.)

 

[violetvett]

TME wasn’t yeeted

Oh shoot, I forgot that it had to be a successful misyeet

 

[Dana_May_B]

Dana's been giving me the creeps recently. I've already mentioned why I think she's neutral but there's a bunch of factors including tone and the weird agreements and disagreements she's been doing with my village self.

I keep forgetting genny and kdswg are alive, and that's usually not a good sign.

(Also, I think I've made a "I'm village" comment somewhere before, so if you want to lie detect me, go for it shelty. It'll come back village, pinky promise.)

the creeps????

 

[violetvett]

the creeps????

Yes, the crepes.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I guess the biggest issue I have with Bob’s wincon is he has still yet to participate in a village misyeet.

Our odds of having a village misyeet are very high as long as I am on lead wagon vote. Sorry. A sweep is pretty rare.

Although the wolves could stick it to me by outing themselves and securing the sweep!!!

 

[Dana_May_B]

Dana's been giving me the creeps recently. I've already mentioned why I think she's neutral but there's a bunch of factors including tone and the weird agreements and disagreements she's been doing with my village self.

how am i supposed to feel 100% confident you're village?? if you're really feeling im sketchy because I've disagreed with you and you're village, that's just a weird mindset.
can you point out an agreement or disagreement that's been weird?
to be frank it really doesn't bother me that you're reading me neutral, i just cant wrap my head around this reasoning

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Didn't he misyeet TME?

Nope. She died strangely at vote close without explanation. Which got me thinking of why. And I was also wondering why my wincon pushed me being on lead wagon. Which led to crazy tonfoils. (Not a typo- actually it was. But I’m keeping it)

 

[Zenge142]

Unyeet Bob

Yeet KDS

 

[SARdoghandler]

Unyeet Bob

Yeet KDS

Ooooh spicy

Porque?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Dana's been giving me the creeps recently. I've already mentioned why I think she's neutral but there's a bunch of factors including tone and the weird agreements and disagreements she's been doing with my village self.

I keep forgetting genny and kdswg are alive, and that's usually not a good sign.

(Also, I think I've made a "I'm village" comment somewhere before, so if you want to lie detect me, go for it shelty. It'll come back village, pinky promise.)

Why would Dana stick her neck out for me while I’m going down if she is wolf? Why not let it happen?

 

[Zenge142]

Ooooh spicy

Porque?

Just want to see what’s going to happen

 

[Dana_May_B]

Unyeet Bob

Yeet KDS

i think id be more ready for this if cubs flips wolf. but im still not all too happy with the bob vote

 

[violetvett]

Why would Dana stick her neck out for me while I’m going down if she is wolf? Why not let it happen?

Village cred? I feel like that's pretty WIFOM though.

 

[violetvett]

Actually, you know what I've totally forgotten about kds, so I'm backing off my dana iso and going to do a kds iso now.
That seems like a more interesting trail at the moment.

 

[Truenamer]

the creeps????

Yeah I hate when people use terms like that, feels awful.

For the record you've seemed village and helpful, and I've agreed with a lot of your takes.

 

[Truenamer]

Actually, you know what I've totally forgotten about kds, so I'm backing off my dana iso and going to do a kds iso now.
That seems like a more interesting trail at the moment.

I could see kds. She's been super silent this past day, which might line up with a last wolf not knowing what to do after the village gets off to a fantastic start?

 

[Dana_May_B]

I could see kds. She's been super silent this past day, which might line up with a last wolf not knowing what to do after the village gets off to a fantastic start?

im also going back and looking at my iso of sporty + kdswg interactions. i think i could see them being in a pack together. just more confident about cubs being wolfy tho

 

[Zenge142]

im also going back and looking at my iso of sporty + kdswg interactions. i think i could see them being in a pack together. just more confident about cubs being wolfy tho

Does anything in particular stand out to you?

 

[Dana_May_B]

Does anything in particular stand out to you?

yeah i already put all my thoughts about it in the iso- i know it was a lot to go through so here's just the sporty/kdswg highlights

Spoiler: sporty + kdswg

something that stuck out to me in the first few interactions here is how little sporty was contributing to the thread early on, but she still replied to several of kdswg's comments

The lack of substance from some players in the first four pages of the thread is painful.


I might still be too, but there was no follow up on this so idk what's going on anymore.

^commenting about no follow up to kdswg being confused

I read it like 3 times and it took that much to maybe possibly realize that I was also wolfing that game?

^replying to a comment kdswg made

Apparently that particular opinion is unpopular

^commenting on how dubz putting kdswg so high on her reads list

Fashionable is boring

yeet true

^kdswg agreed with sporty's comment that cubs's vote for true is "interesting and unfashionable." and then proceeds to vote for true, whom sporty has been throwing some slight sus on up to this point

kds sounds dramatically different than she did last game.

also this is interesting.

^again, she replies to a random kdswg comment. just feels off to me

well, you were a wolf last game sooo I'd hope that'd mean it's a good way.

^explaining what she means by kdswg sounding different this game

Yeah and that was definitely me lol

But now I got to that exact post of yours and I agree with you.

^this one is so weird to me. sporty is replying to dubz commenting on how everyone was asking her about her placement of kdswg on her reads list. sporty says she just got to dubz's read post and agrees with her about the kdswg placement BUT as you'll notice, she HAD ALREADY COMMENTED during the live discussion of dubz's reads about kdswg- "apparently that particular opinion is unpopular." so how could she have just gotten to that exact post, if she had already responded to it? why respond again just to bring up that you agree with the placement of kdswg? im just not following

 

[violetvett]

Spoiler: a massive kds iso

I don't really see where people are coming from with barks, I don't get the wolfy motivation behind the comment about cubs power!villaging. Was there anything else besides that that people were uneasy about?

true has made a lot of comments that make me uneasy, in the last game he also made a lot of "when I wolf for the first time" comments but the ones this game have felt different to me, like he's laying it on really thick. Especially the one about how he doesn't understand how a wolf would low post/how he'll be posting so much as a wolf, this is his third (?) game now and it seems weird to still be confused about activity levels being NAI (idk about bowling but I was pretty absent last game as a wolf and genny was as cult leader)

I feel ok with cubs so far, nothing has stood out yet

Ok so true and kds are not compatible, but cubs and kds could be. He is protecting barks though, who is pretty far in village camp for me still.

yeet true

not 100% sold yet but i want to lay a vote down before I go do some digging

Further true slander. There's more of these asking about true.

why is everyone confused at dubz reading me village? She would know better than anyone after wolfing together last game. Its probably obvious how much less panicked i am lol

Uhhhh, that's laying it on a little thick, dontchathink?

@samac are you actually village reading zenge now, or was that a joke? The Dana/zenge interaction felt a little weird to me, why should dana take TME's reads as gospel just bc she flipped village? She was just as in the dark as the rest of us

Oooo, some dana slander, too.

I get that vibe too, and thats what makes me feel bad about yeeting her 🙁 I know how ****ty it feels to be at the end of samac's tunnel as a noob wolf, and I imagine it'd be even worse if she's actually village

Fluff defense, hmmmm.

I wasn't really asking about me, I'm just confused how your reads have changed since this comment

More arguing with True, further making them less compatible to me.

idk if this makes me feel better or worse about AM. Does she ever soft-bus, then take it back? I feel like I have yet to see you so outwardly unsure of yourself about a vote

Interesting, some AM sussing here, too.

a lone wolf appears as village to the pack though, so mel seemed village to them too

Well, this sure is contradictory to the "I'm a noob" act from before. Also some classic "wolf helping village" vibes.

[Insert another whole discussion arguing with True again happened that I don't feel like quoting completely.]

I’m feeling good about you, dubz, samac, barks, and psv. Bob is reading the same as last game (idk if that helps a ton) so I’m tentatively reading him village. Genny is also leaning a little village. Maybe unpopular but I kinda think cubs is village? Fluffs comment just seems TOO incriminating if they’re woofing together

SAR, sporty, bread, and VV I have no idea.

AM is neutral verging on wolfy (did anyone ever answer my question about her soft bussing?)

True, fluff, and zenge(?) are the most wolfy atm.

^In response to dana. This POE definitely doesn't seem super innocent in hindsight.

Upon reread- I think a fluff flip would clear zenge, he was the first to bring up “ripping off the bandaid“ about the fluff yeet, and by that point it was only 4/3 fluff/Cubs so that’d be some hardcore bussing

This would be fluff bus, but sporty was also doing that, so I can't really read into that a lot. I also don't know what that zenge defend is, unless it's an attempted pocket?

I feel like the fluff vote is covered, and I think a fluff/ true pack makes sense. I’m fine with either going today but i wasnt ready to vote off wagon until Cubs did

OHMYGOD WHY IS KDS SO INTERESTED IN TRUE????? It's so frustrating at this point, especially because I cannot see true as wolf. Also there's a trend of cubs defense in all of these, too.

SAMAC NO THATS ASKING TO BE KILLED. GIVE US YOUR WISDOM NOW

Hmmmm.

Sporty flip makes me rethink true… and cubs. But I’m going to need to do some digging once I get home. But I think at least one other wolf was on the fluff wagon

Oh boy, that's one helluva 180 after constantly pushing true for 1.5 days.

In summary,
true and kds are NOT compatible if kds is wolf
kds/cubs could definitely be a thing

 

[samac]

Welp.
But lucky for you guys someone else knows so if I do get ded you won't be left in the dark.

DO YOU HAVE PMS
I WANT PMS

 

[samac]

I’m Loki. You know he had to be in the game. I can win either wolf or village. I must be on a wolf yeet and a villager misyeet and survive to win. I can be either team.

I get to send one message per night. Sent to fluff bc fluff was begging to be Loki.

Last night I sent Samac a crazy tinfoil bc I thought she would appreciate it. And she was obviously village

Oh hey that was you

 

[Barkley13]

ugh

Unyeet bob

I think I believe it

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Now here's a thought: I know Bob said he's planning on jumping on the leading wagon at any given point in the hopes of misyeeting a villager and meeting his wincon. Maybe I'm in too deep, but...
Is there a possibility Bob is voting for cubs because he thinks he's a villager?

 

[samac]

Awesome. So Bob was lying about villaging but I still technically wasted my lie detection to find a 3p.
COME ON BOB

Or it’s a fake claim

 

[Barkley13]

I need to ISO violet, dana, kdwsg, and bread

 

[samac]

Also, @samac can you verify that bob actually did send you a PM last night?

Not a Pm, but I mentioned earlier that I got a message.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Hey @Barkley13 care to explain why you watched Dubz last night rather than someone else?

 

[Barkley13]

Now here's a thought: I know Bob said he's planning on jumping on the leading wagon at any given point in the hopes of misyeeting a villager and meeting his wincon. Maybe I'm in too deep, but...
Is there a possibility Bob is voting for cubs because he thinks he's a villager?

That's possible. With the way he started to really push it once it looked like it was going to be him or cubs and saying that cubs was 100% wolf and all that

 

[samac]

He could just as easily be a wolf with a cover role or made up a nice sounding 3P role to buy time.

Im too sexy for my shiiiirrttt!

I do agree this is a possibility.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Or it’s a fake claim

I'm planning to stay on Bob in case of this, and also because I stubbornly refuse to yeet cubs at this point.

 

[samac]

i get what youre saying. better to yeet out a 3p than misyeet a villager. but what im stuck on is that if bob is 3p, where does yeeting him get us? we'll know the same info after that yeet as we do now.

Him not pushing a village misyeet.

 

[samac]

I think the real question is if the mods would make a 3P cover role for the wolves. Do any of the vets know if this has been done before?

Or he came up with it himself.

 

[violetvett]

Now here's a thought: I know Bob said he's planning on jumping on the leading wagon at any given point in the hopes of misyeeting a villager and meeting his wincon. Maybe I'm in too deep, but...
Is there a possibility Bob is voting for cubs because he thinks he's a villager?

That's a pretty risky move though, considering how thin the ice bob is on right now.

 

[samac]

I see we as a group have come back around to yeet-all-3ps

I can't strictly get behind this, unfortunately. At least not when it's 3p vs someone who likely is wolf

I’m not in the yeet all 3P group. At all.
But we’ve already flipped a lone wolf, a 3P m, + wolf pack seems like very high anti village numbers to me.

 

[violetvett]

...I forgot bread existed, too, shoot.

 

[SARdoghandler]

I’m not in the yeet all 3P group. At all.
But we’ve already flipped a lone wolf, a 3P m, + wolf pack seems like very high anti village numbers to me.

Ehhh if the 3p is neutral with no killing ability, it could balance well with a pack of 3 plus lone wolf imo. Especially since it seems there are a few village prs/items in play

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Hey, are y'all forgetting we have at least one (TME) kill of unknown origin? We absolutely can not confidently say Bob has no killing ability.

 

[violetvett]

Hey, are y'all forgetting we have at least one (TME) kill of unknown origin? We absolutely can not confidently say Bob has no killing ability.

Why would bob kill TME though?

 

[samac]

Ehhh if the 3p is neutral with no killing ability, it could balance well with a pack of 3 plus lone wolf imo. Especially since it seems there are a few village prs/items in play

That’s 26% not village. That’s pretty higher.