Matrix - Game Thread

[samac]

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I will follow you into the dark

nah he’s my death cab for cutie

 

[marmot`]

But if you'd like to direct my to a sequence of posts that you're talking about Achro, I will read that.

 

[Achromatic]

This is literally what I'm moaning about. Please, for the love of god, if you're going to yeet me today then yeet me for my own play rather than what my former self did or didn't do.

And for the record, no, I never think my posts are full of town vigor. They're usually sketchy enough for wolves to leave me alive to endgame where I thrive.

Ok. Then play the game with me today. Talk me through what you think moon was doing to your slot day 1. Speculate.

 

[SportPonies]

The difference there though was I was a wolf pushing Matt’s narrative hard. I dont think that the push against you is wolfy.

I think you're talking past me here.

I don't even know if the push on me here is wolfy or villagey. I'm just annoyed by it because I'm not being read for Sporty. I'm literally still on Dubz's readlist as someone who hasn't posted since D1 or whatever.

 

[Achromatic]

I wasn't here Day 1, and have no intention or reading any of it (outside of ISOs)

There is a series of posts I call moon out for not reading me very well, she dares me to vote her, and I don't unvote until she claims doc close to eod

It's just such a pointless thing to do as scum and only would harm my team. At the time moon wasn't facing much heat.

 

[marmot`]

What do you make of Achro then? Are you resigned to them being town and pushing you (whether they are correct or not)?

@SportPonies I am throwing you a bone here, feel free to respond to this.

 

[marmot`]

There is a series of posts I call moon out for not reading me very well, she dares me to vote her, and I don't unvote until she claims doc close to eod

It's just such a pointless thing to do as scum and only would harm my team. At the time moon wasn't facing much heat.

I'll look for it later, gotta run for now though.

Glgl thread, avenge doctor moonster plz and thanks

 

[samac]

I'll look for it later, gotta run for now though.

Glgl thread, avenge doctor moonster plz and thanks

Avenge doctor moon?

 

[SportPonies]

avenge doctor moonster

what

 

[samac]

I think you're talking past me here.

I don't even know if the push on me here is wolfy or villagey. I'm just annoyed by it because I'm not being read for Sporty. I'm literally still on Dubz's readlist as someone who hasn't posted since D1 or whatever.

Unsure how to feel about being called 'easy'

Top o' me head without going through moon interactions and vote progressions myself yet:

Spinichi
PSV
mayormot
Clem
Achro
Gikkle
Zenge
samac

I think the sp is supposed to be a hybrid like when I spent all of bioshock as katamac

 

[marmot`]

It's a joke you guys

 

[SportPonies]

@SportPonies I am throwing you a bone here, feel free to respond to this.

@SportPonies I am throwing you a bone here, feel free to respond to this.

I already said above that Achro has edged into my POE by literal POE. I don't think they're villagey, but it's not like i'm chasing a strong wolf case right now either.

 

[Achromatic]

He is joking

Also, if anyone can read eod2 and how much moon who knows she is doomed soon pairs herself with me thinks that is scum doing that to fellow scum then... like come on lol

 

[SportPonies]

I think the sp is supposed to be a hybrid like when I spent all of bioshock as katamac

okay, that's.... fine I guess.

 

[SportPonies]

I think the sp is supposed to be a hybrid like when I spent all of bioshock as katamac

katamac is a better name tbh.

 

[SportPonies]

@potentialsheltervet Sky's awake

 

[Achromatic]

Basically I don't think I will get as much on you catching up as I will with discussing ideas with you.

If that is discouraging and you are town you can just think I am a very bad player in need of you to carry me

 

[SportPonies]

Basically I don't think I will get as much on you catching up as I will with discussing ideas with you.

If that is discouraging and you are town you can just think I am a very bad player in need of you to carry me

I'm sorry, I'm just not really interested in speculating what a wolf was or was not thinking on any given day. Especially a day that I wasn't even playing the game.


And to be frank, I'm not even exactly sure what interactions you're referring to. I can barely remember the "why" behind my own reads. When I ISO, I see equal posts of moon defending my slot and condemning it.

 

[SportPonies]

My bones are rattling waiting for PSV.

 

[SportPonies]

Where is my granddaughter.

 

[Achromatic]

Very well. That is your call then.

 

[SportPonies]

Very well. That is your call then.

Pick something else to discuss. Clearly I'm not exclusive in feeling that way since samac said it independently as well.

 

[Achromatic]

Well, give me your strongest scum case against someone then. You can just quote it if you prefer.

 

[SportPonies]

Well, give me your strongest scum case against someone then. You can just quote it if you prefer.

later. I'm waiting for something.

 

[SportPonies]

Well, give me your strongest scum case against someone then. You can just quote it if you prefer.

how about you read my posts in the last day in the meantime?

 

[SportPonies]

I do think, looking at vote close yesterday, there's likely a wolf (besides herself) on the moon vote. The likelihood of both remaining staying off the vote of an openwolf just seems... very slim.

 

[WildZoo]

Moon and Spinichi: moderate to severe evidence of partnership

Reading the latter bit of this first set of quotes I had a flashback to the original StardeWW when AM pointedly told me I knew better than to defend someone I hadn't given a solid reason to village read. Twas while I was trying to prevent a packmate's yeet. This feels very similar.

Spoiler

Hmm, if not just NAI, my impression of Santy is lean scum. Please elaborate?

Is this a Meta thing for santy? Because if anything the slot should currently just be null.

IDK about Achro, but mine isn't. I just felt like it was an overly explained excuse to immediately leave the thread. His next couple posts trend a little better, though (didn't actually leave thread, mildly pushed back on a townread of him), so I'd agree null is accurate at the moment.

^Quoted for completeness but this interaction could go either way

Why vote Shinichi?

At a glance, I'd veto Gikkle, Stagg, and maybe Zenge. Stagg is actually my #2 townread right now, and I think we're fine to give Zenge 1 more day to see how he does.

For the rest, Shinichi seems too easy of a vote, IMO. I'd have to re-read for mkg thoughts, and I think Santy came out looking worse from that convo with Stagg.

My vote was a joke, but I'm fine staying where I am, especially with Clem's OMGUS. Otherwise, I'd probably go Santy or genny.

^this post feels important. I would be shook if there's not a packmate in here.

IDK, Shinichi (2) vs Clem (19) feels like a big difference to me. Shinichi just feels like pure rand (75% chance to be town), and even if he does flip scum, it doesn't tell us that much vs. anyone else.

I don't vibe with her reads or her vote on Shinichi, and her callout of me felt bad.

Noting these tallies

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Space 33
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (1) - samac 61
Shinichi (1) - genny 21
Santy (1) - Stagg 13
Clem (2) - moon 32, Gikkle 38
Stagg (1) - Dubz 45
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (1) - Santy 70

9/15
yeet close in ~7 hours

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Space 41
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg () -
Shinichi (1) - genny 25
Santy (1) - Stagg 14
Clem (1) - moon 37
Stagg (2) - Dubz 45, samac 74
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (3) - Santy 77, Achro 61, Gikkle 43

10/15
yeet close in ~4.5 hours

Shinichi then notices moon (this is where I wish conversation threads were a bit easier to follow here so I wouldn't have to reorganize things myself lol). There's nothing here to indicate that Shinichi was overtly bothered by moon defending him against a single vote for no reason - maybe a playstyle difference, but it would have raised my hackles. He questions it as kind of an aside but moon doesn't answer and he doesn't follow up.

Spoiler

gonna stop catching up for now i keep getting distracted.

Whats t he argument for moon currently?

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Fair. Well, I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, and I do have thoughts, but sharing them might defeat the purpose, TBH. We could circle back tomorrow?

posts like this kinda suck because its hard to gauge if your mafia who doesn't wanna risk throwing out the wrong thoughts or town that doesn't wanna give mafia any ideas.

Either way its a hard take to read.

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IDK, Shinichi (2) vs Clem (19) feels like a big difference to me. Shinichi just feels like pure rand (75% chance to be town), and even if he does flip scum, it doesn't tell us that much vs. anyone else.

a scum flip is better regardless of the info it may provide. This is quite a weird explanation.

Also where does that percentile come from?

Well of course a scum flip is better, but since everyone else was playing more than you were, it seemed like looking for scum in you was a bit of a cop out, TBH. (Also, I don't want to run afoul of the rules, but let's just say there are other considerations.)

And the percentile was supposed to be odds any of us randed town, but I realized that's actually 80% (12/15), so whoops.

I agree its a come out but it will happen regardless, each person has their own view of inactive and how it relates to someones alignment. I normally avoid inactive yeets unless they said something really telling prior to the inactivity.

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I was hardly exaggerating; it was a lean scum on 2 posts, I'm not out here death tunneling or anything.

Comparing Santy's entrance to Zenges' (and Dubz' after), it just seemed a bit worse. Neither of them felt the need to immediately explain their (in)activity; Santy doing that at all felt overexplained, regardless of length. But I acknowledged while making the initial read that it could be NAI, so I didn't really walk anywhere to walk back from.

Wait i assumed that lean scum was a joke, was it actually a serious read? Cause the posts prior to that I felt like didn't give enough to warrant any scum read unless there was some prior meta involved.

What made you think it was a joke? It was just a tiny ping off his entrance. I've mostly played turbos on MU for the past few months, and entrance reads are part of that.

ok then i can vibe with that, because turbos rely on entrances.

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after going back to iso moon I can kinda see it, it doesn't seem like there is some clear direction I can follow regarding their reads.

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I don't vibe with her reads or her vote on Shinichi, and her callout of me felt bad.

at the time i barely posted, so I can understand the vote, but why don't you like it?

Following these, Shinichi votes Zenge (I did not find a response from moon to the last question).

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 49, Shini 28
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg () -
Shini (1) - genny 25
Santy (1) - Stagg 14
Clem (1) - moon 39
Stagg (2) - Dubz 45, samac 75
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (3) - Santy 77, Achro 61, Gikkle 44

11/15
yeet close in ~3 hours

Actually open this one, it feels important:

Spoiler

ShinichiMD

Clem J
genny
Santy

explain these if you havent already

I think it's interesting to note where the tally was at in the middle of this conversation

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 50, Shini 36
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg () -
Shini (1) - genny 25
Santy () -
Clem (1) - moon 49
Stagg (2) - Dubz 45, samac 86
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (4) - Santy 95, Achro 61, Gikkle 44, mkg 27

11/15
Missing: mayo 3, PSV 6, Stagg 25, Zenge 77
yeet close in ~1.5 hours

Because now suddenly moon's opinion of Shinichi has shifted from defense without reason to suspicion without reason. I think this is a distancing attempt as she's getting into hot water. Perhaps before the decision was made to fake claim doctor.

Well, for reference, the tier above this was null, so you're null-scummy. Your vibes feel a little off, like you're detached and commenting on the thread more than participating. But that could just be a result of catch-up posting, IDK.

Last tier is scum leans. I feel like I explained them all in 603, but I could expand if you want.

Doctor claim comes about 20 minutes later, moon then tags everyone a few minutes after that and Shinichi is quick to respond

ripp a pr claim d1 ugh

My gut is just...unimpressed by this response

Shinichi disappears after that

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 53, Shini 40
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (2) - Stagg 40, Achro 70
Shini (3) - genny 38, Zenge 95, mkg 33
Santy () -
Clem (1) - moon 56
Stagg (2) - Dubz 49, samac 104
Gikkle (1) - Clem 21
moon () -

11/15
Missing: Gikkle 46, mayo 3, PSV 17, Santy 112
yeet close in ~14 minutes

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 53, Shini 40
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (3) - Stagg 42, Achro 72, samac 111
Shini (3) - genny 40, Zenge 95, mkg 36
Santy () -
Clem (1) - moon 56
Stagg (1) - Dubz 52
Gikkle (1) - Clem 21
moon () -
Achro (1) - PSV 20

12/15
Missing: Gikkle 47, mayo 3, Santy 114
yeet close in ~7 minutes

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 53, Shini 40
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (3) - Stagg 43, Achro 73, samac 115
Shini (3) - genny 41, Zenge 95, mkg 38
Santy () -
Clem (1) - moon 56
Stagg (1) - Dubz 56
Gikkle (1) - Clem 21
moon () -
Achro (1) - PSV 21

12/15
Missing: Gikkle 48, mayo 3, Santy 116
yeet close in ~3 minutes

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 53, Shini 40
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (5) - Stagg 45, Achro 77, samac 122, Gikkle 48, Santy 120
Shini (3) - genny 42, Zenge 95, mkg 39
Santy () -
Clem (1) - moon 56
Stagg (1) - Dubz 58
Gikkle (1) - Clem 21
moon () -
Achro (1) - PSV 23

14/15
Missing: mayo 3

Now...this does make me think maybe I'm wrong about Gikkle (or maybe Achro??). Or perhaps Shinichi was lurking to see if he would need to self prez. I am not surprised by moon not moving to save him if they're partnered because she wouldn't have known how long she had left before she'd be outted, and that would look very bad for Shin.

WIFOM about whether Gikkle as wolf in this scenario would point out this exact weirdness yesterday. I wasn't planning to spend time on worldbuilding in a moon/Gikkle scenario today but now I feel like I should...

If anyone has a reason off the top of their head why moon/Shinichi/Gikkle would be a terrible horrible pack to consider and wants to save me some time, pls do.

 

[samac]

Moon and Spinichi: moderate to severe evidence of partnership

Reading the latter bit of this first set of quotes I had a flashback to the original StardeWW when AM pointedly told me I knew better than to defend someone I hadn't given a solid reason to village read. Twas while I was trying to prevent a packmate's yeet. This feels very similar.

Spoiler

^Quoted for completeness but this interaction could go either way




^this post feels important. I would be shook if there's not a packmate in here.

Noting these tallies




Shinichi then notices moon (this is where I wish conversation threads were a bit easier to follow here so I wouldn't have to reorganize things myself lol). There's nothing here to indicate that Shinichi was overtly bothered by moon defending him against a single vote for no reason - maybe a playstyle difference, but it would have raised my hackles. He questions it as kind of an aside but moon doesn't answer and he doesn't follow up.

Spoiler

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Following these, Shinichi votes Zenge (I did not find a response from moon to the last question).



Actually open this one, it feels important:

Spoiler

I think it's interesting to note where the tally was at in the middle of this conversation



Because now suddenly moon's opinion of Shinichi has shifted from defense without reason to suspicion without reason. I think this is a distancing attempt as she's getting into hot water. Perhaps before the decision was made to fake claim doctor.



Doctor claim comes about 20 minutes later, moon then tags everyone a few minutes after that and Shinichi is quick to respond



My gut is just...unimpressed by this response

Shinichi disappears after that









Now...this does make me think maybe I'm wrong about Gikkle (or maybe Achro??). Or perhaps Shinichi was lurking to see if he would need to self prez. I am not surprised by moon not moving to save him if they're partnered because she wouldn't have known how long she had left before she'd be outted, and that would look very bad for Shin.

WIFOM about whether Gikkle as wolf in this scenario would point out this exact weirdness yesterday. I wasn't planning to spend time on worldbuilding in a moon/Gikkle scenario today but now I feel like I should...

If anyone has a reason off the top of their head why moon/Shinichi/Gikkle would be a terrible horrible pack to consider and wants to save me some time, pls do.

Holy wall Batman

 

[samac]

later. I'm waiting for something.

Sporty pls

 

[SportPonies]

Sporty pls

it's important.

 

[samac]

it's important.

To shrug off a very reasonable question

 

[SportPonies]

To shrug off a very reasonable question

Yeah, and if I was a wolf, then I'd know better to keep poking the bear that wants to eat me.

Patience is a virtue.

 

[WildZoo]

Holy wall Batman

And to think, it's probably all garbage

 

[samac]

Moon and Spinichi: moderate to severe evidence of partnership

Reading the latter bit of this first set of quotes I had a flashback to the original StardeWW when AM pointedly told me I knew better than to defend someone I hadn't given a solid reason to village read. Twas while I was trying to prevent a packmate's yeet. This feels very similar.

Spoiler

^Quoted for completeness but this interaction could go either way




^this post feels important. I would be shook if there's not a packmate in here.

Noting these tallies




Shinichi then notices moon (this is where I wish conversation threads were a bit easier to follow here so I wouldn't have to reorganize things myself lol). There's nothing here to indicate that Shinichi was overtly bothered by moon defending him against a single vote for no reason - maybe a playstyle difference, but it would have raised my hackles. He questions it as kind of an aside but moon doesn't answer and he doesn't follow up.

Spoiler

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Following these, Shinichi votes Zenge (I did not find a response from moon to the last question).



Actually open this one, it feels important:

Spoiler

I think it's interesting to note where the tally was at in the middle of this conversation



Because now suddenly moon's opinion of Shinichi has shifted from defense without reason to suspicion without reason. I think this is a distancing attempt as she's getting into hot water. Perhaps before the decision was made to fake claim doctor.



Doctor claim comes about 20 minutes later, moon then tags everyone a few minutes after that and Shinichi is quick to respond



My gut is just...unimpressed by this response

Shinichi disappears after that









Now...this does make me think maybe I'm wrong about Gikkle (or maybe Achro??). Or perhaps Shinichi was lurking to see if he would need to self prez. I am not surprised by moon not moving to save him if they're partnered because she wouldn't have known how long she had left before she'd be outted, and that would look very bad for Shin.

WIFOM about whether Gikkle as wolf in this scenario would point out this exact weirdness yesterday. I wasn't planning to spend time on worldbuilding in a moon/Gikkle scenario today but now I feel like I should...

If anyone has a reason off the top of their head why moon/Shinichi/Gikkle would be a terrible horrible pack to consider and wants to save me some time, pls do.

Me tinfoiling a world where you’re wolf and sporty is a wolf and this is the thing sporty was waiting for

 

[SportPonies]

I don't know if I find Achrom's push of me wolfy, but I don't have a meta to fall back on here and that's really what I rely on.

 

[WildZoo]

Me tinfoiling a world where you’re wolf and sporty is a wolf and this is the thing sporty was waiting for

Just wait, soon we'll be engaging in the wolfiest theater you've ever seen

 

[SportPonies]

Me tinfoiling a world where you’re wolf and sporty is a wolf and this is the thing sporty was waiting for

A world where Dubz and Sporty wolf theatre exists would be wild though.

 

[SportPonies]

Just wait, soon we'll be engaging in the wolfiest theater you've ever seen

 

[samac]

Just wait, soon we'll be engaging in the wolfiest theater you've ever seen

I’m flashbacking to okami where sporty did exactly that

 

[WildZoo]

I'm resting and eating a breakfast sandwich so you are all unignored again for the moment. D1 moon/PSV stuff next but I don't think there's much there. And I know there isn't gonna be anything with mayo unfortunately.

I'm waffling on whether to spend time looking at interactions with moon in the days following the doctor claim. Just hard to know how outted the wolves felt she was at that point.

 

[SportPonies]

Someone give me a gun.

*before this pings SDN filters, this is an exclusively game related comment

 

[WildZoo]

I don't know if I find Achrom's push of me wolfy, but I don't have a meta to fall back on here and that's really what I rely on.

This is Champs practice, Sportichi! No metas!

 

[samac]

Someone give me a gun.

*before this pings SDN filters, this is an exclusively game related comment

Who you shooting? Dubz?
Why?

 

[SportPonies]

This is Champs practice, Sportichi! No metas!

and that's why I declined my nomination lol

 

[samac]

I'm resting and eating a breakfast sandwich so you are all unignored again for the moment. D1 moon/PSV stuff next but I don't think there's much there. And I know there isn't gonna be anything with mayo unfortunately.

I'm waffling on whether to spend time looking at interactions with moon in the days following the doctor claim. Just hard to know how outted the wolves felt she was at that point.

They might be worth a small amount but not much imo

 

[WildZoo]

Yes pls shoot me. I'm either getting yoten or being dragged to endgame otherwise and neither option is appealing.

 

[SportPonies]

I'll be back later. I need to get things done.

Someone please hold me accountable for this. Seriously.

 

[WildZoo]

A world where Dubz and Sporty wolf theatre exists would be wild though.

Did we attempt it in MHA? I can't remember. Everything was kind of on fire.

 

[samac]

Did we attempt it in MHA? I can't remember. Everything was kind of on fire.

Yes.

 

[SportPonies]

Who you shooting? Dubz?
Why?

actually, I was gonna ignore this but I want to out it before Dubz makes her case.

PSV.