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I'm assuming you didn't hear anything until April?
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yea, I called admissions....all i got was "they have all of my stuff"....my application was turned in in october, GRE scores received, letters of rec received, and nothing, no interview, no denial letter, zero communication.....
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Mine was received late sept and I havent heard a peep until I called and they said it was with vet adcomm. Don't fret yet!yea, I called admissions....all i got was "they have all of my stuff"....my application was turned in in october, GRE scores received, letters of rec received, and nothing, no interview, no denial letter, zero communication.....
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just so stressful...im from california, got rejected from UC Davis, trying so hard to stay on the west coast.....not knowing what youre doing in 8 months from now is quite nerve wracking!
Did you also apply to Washington/Oregon?
yea. I appplied to tons of schools, Oregon and Washington included, a few on the east coast that I liked too
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I also applied to a bunch of schools. Also didn't get Davis. We'll land somewhere. 8 months is still a long time to figure stuff out.
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I interviewed in late March, was put on the alternate list right away and was accepted in the middle to end of April.
Hey guys I'm curious: did your undergrad colleges have an agreement with Midwestern to replace some of the 12 units of organic chemistry With multiple semesters/quarters of biochemistry instead? Wondering if my school was the only one to have this agreement?
Hey everyone,
I had my interview on Nov 9th and I was told I should have an answer on Nov 24th but I'm getting nervous. Yesterday I received rejection letters from UC Davis and Western (had the interview on Nov 2nd). What are my chances of getting in to Midwestern when I've already been rejected by two other schools? My overall GPA is 3.6, science GPA is 3.5. GRE not so good. 152 verbal, 147 quantitative, and 4 analytical writing. I have 2,200 hours as a vet assistant/tech. My experience is from two small animal clinics and Banfield working with cats, dogs, with a little bit of exotics and wildlife too. Has anyone been accepted with similar scores? I'm really feeling discouraged today because I expected to at least be put on the wait list for Western U.
I had my interview on Nov 9th and I was told I should have an answer on Nov 24th but I'm getting nervous. Yesterday I received rejection letters from UC Davis and Western (had the interview on Nov 2nd). What are my chances of getting in to Midwestern when I've already been rejected by two other schools? My overall GPA is 3.6, science GPA is 3.5. GRE not so good. 152 verbal, 147 quantitative, and 4 analytical writing. I have 2,200 hours as a vet assistant/tech. My experience is from two small animal clinics and Banfield working with cats, dogs, with a little bit of exotics and wildlife too. Has anyone been accepted with similar scores? I'm really feeling discouraged today because I expected to at least be put on the wait list for Western U.
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One more week! Don't be nervous. Your GPA is higher than mine (3.48), and we have about the same amount of vet hours. I think the main reason I got in is because I have a ton of different animal and research experience, on top of my veterinary experience. And I think the interview also helped a lot. Your GRE isn't the best, but it also isn't low enough for outright rejection, since you have already had interviews! My GRE was about 6 points higher on both, but that isn't much! I think your chances are good!
When I was waiting to hear back, I started a few books.. Lol. Kept me busy in my free time when I wasn't in class or studying. And it passes the time quicker! Maybe try that to ease your nerves? Or start a series on Netflix? Good luck!!
I'm actually pretty shocked you haven't heard anything. I got rejected from Davis too (but did you see those stats?!?! 😵). I would have thought you would shave received an interview from Western. Is it possible you did not complete all pre-reqs? Or something else on your all that would have caused them to disqualify you? And as far as Midwestern goes, their class of 2018 had a cumulative GPA of 3.19 so unless Midwestern is changing up their game and only accepting like 3.7 than you should hear from them (I would think)
It's funny because I'm in the same boat as you. My cum is 3.54. Had an interview with western but have heard nothing from Midwestern despite my app being there in in October so I am also confused and buggin
Good luck to you!
Where did you find new stats? Been looking everywhere trying to figure out why I haven't gotten an interview. I've turned into quite the detective, stalking every college's website
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Where did you find new stats? Been looking everywhere trying to figure out why I haven't gotten an interview. I've turned into quite the detective, stalking every college's website
I thought it was on the website but couldn't find it. Maybe I found it stalking the Midwestern thread from last year, but I'm pretty sure they talked about it during my interview! I know for sure that it's gone up and up, and for my interview group the average GPA was pretty high (I think mine was the lowest). But 3.6 is definitely competitive, so I would be surprised if kris didn't get accepted!
Edit: I should clarify. I would be surprised if kris didn't get accepted since they were offered an interview and they have lots of experience, decent GRE scores, and a competitive GPA, assuming their interview went well.
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Since people keep repeatedly mentioning GPA's in multiple threads and "average GPA's" at various schools, I am going to say.... it isn't all about GPA.
GPA is part of the application package, but you can't determine if someone will or will not get accepted based on GPA alone. There are times when people with 4.0 GPA's get denied acceptance and times when those with 3.2 GPA's get an acceptance.
Also an "average GPA" is just that... an average. There are some below that and some above that. Some schools will even post what the GPA "range" is and I have seen those go from below a 3.0 to a 4.0 (with the average being around a 3.6-3.7).... so there is no telling what will happen as far as acceptance/rejection based upon GPA.
You have completed your application now, you have provided them with all of the information about you, your experiences and your LOR. At this point, there is nothing more you can do other than wait for word on an interview. Should you get an interview, then you have some input again, so you do the same, show them who you are and show them that you can make a good veterinary student and veterinarian. Once the interview is over, it is again, out of your control, time to go back to waiting. Don't get narrow-minded and focus in on one particular part of your application.
Don't do the "well I have a 3.8 GPA and their average GPA has been lower, so I should obviously get in." That isn't how it works.
GPA is part of the application package, but you can't determine if someone will or will not get accepted based on GPA alone. There are times when people with 4.0 GPA's get denied acceptance and times when those with 3.2 GPA's get an acceptance.
Also an "average GPA" is just that... an average. There are some below that and some above that. Some schools will even post what the GPA "range" is and I have seen those go from below a 3.0 to a 4.0 (with the average being around a 3.6-3.7).... so there is no telling what will happen as far as acceptance/rejection based upon GPA.
You have completed your application now, you have provided them with all of the information about you, your experiences and your LOR. At this point, there is nothing more you can do other than wait for word on an interview. Should you get an interview, then you have some input again, so you do the same, show them who you are and show them that you can make a good veterinary student and veterinarian. Once the interview is over, it is again, out of your control, time to go back to waiting. Don't get narrow-minded and focus in on one particular part of your application.
Don't do the "well I have a 3.8 GPA and their average GPA has been lower, so I should obviously get in." That isn't how it works.
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Don't stress yourself! I was accepted with a similar GPA and lower GRE scores (145,145,4). Experience with equine, large, wildlife, exotics and small animals. Lots of community outreach extra-curric.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I did have an interview with Midwestern on Nov 9th so I'm just playing the waiting game right now. I know the admissions committee meets on Nov 23rd so I don't have much longer to stress. I had an interview with Western U on Nov 2nd and found out that my application was denied yesterday. It was just discouraging.
I think we're all very aware of how the application process works and although it's not GPA entirely (except some schools), that's the first that all schools are looking at before proceeding with the rest of your application.....hence why everyone keeps mentioning their GPA and comparing it to the schools statistics..... it is also highly recommended by almost all Colleges to compare your stats with the statistics of previous entering classes to see where you may fit in, what to improve, etc etc..again why you see GPA on all threads and why people are comparing themselves
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well, when everyone keeps comparing ONLY GPA and wondering why they haven't gotten in, it doesn't seem like it. It's also not the first and only thing some schools look at. School statistics don't mean that much. If you have a stellar set of eLORs, wonderful experience, and a crappy GPA you may still get in. If you have a 4.0 but have no extra-curriculars or much experience, you may not even get an interview. It all depends on the school. But commenting on how a school could reject someone with a 3.88 is ridiculous. Each school looks at different things. Quite honestly, your comment above comes off as a little rude.
Well no I'm not trying to be rude, you can read my comment in whatever tone you please. Students aren't given anything but statistics to compare to. We are given GPAs and GREs and told by colleges to compare yourself to gage admission. So that's what we do. We aren't given a standard of extra curricular activities to compare nor are we given resumes of admitted students to compare ourselves. So while everyone says it's ridiculous to compare oneself to a set standard, those stats are there for a reason and again we are told specifically to compare ourselves. We all know what the admissions process is, and GPA is a big part of it. And if us students want to chat about our GPAs and why we think we may or may not have gotten in or if we stress about our future then that's fine. These boards are here for a reason; So applicants can chat about their application process, worries, fears and we're using these boards to do just that. GPA happens to be a big fear of undergrads as it is engrained in our heads to worry worry worry by our concelors. I don't think we should be called ridiculous or have it insinuated that we don't know what the process is just because we are concerned. It's normal to be freaked out and panic when it comes to ones future and if we wish to discuss our concerns with eachother than that should be of no issue.
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Prevets pretty much do it every year. They worry and turn to GPA for answers. While you definitely have every right to discuss it and it isn't an issue per say, those in vet school and who have graduated keep trying to let you guys know that the rest of your application is extremely important as to why some get in and others don't. Schools are trying to put together a class. They try to pick people that will fill in all the areas of vet med and have some connections to make a "family" of sorts. Honestly, I think this is why some prevets are so incredibly saddened when they worked so hard to get that high GPA and GRE, but let the rest of the application fall short of who they are as an actual individual.
This is why I am actually quite disheartened to hear that people are being told to only look at number stats to decide where they fit in. That should not be the case. It is what you have done outside of school and your ambitions that will get you that deeper look. Anyway, just wanted to say that as I think I generally make one post trying to get this across to each year's new set of potentials.
Good luck all.
Totally agree! Quite disheartening a lot of the times. Such pressure for undergrads. Sometimes I feel like I have to be super human to pull it off. Most stressful time of my life for sure. Which is why I love these boards! Cool to not go throw such stress alone! Even though I don't know anyone personally. 🙂
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Yes but a difference in GPA that is 0.2 is not a big part of it. having minor variations is going to do nothing in being able to determine if you're going to be accepted or not. Some schools will give you points and how to determine those points, but otherwise trying to figure out you chance of acceptance based on GPA is about as useful as a screendoor on a submarine. You'd probably have better luck blindfolded and throwing darts.
We keep telling you it really isn't comparable. And you guys keep trying to compare it...
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THIS.
I think it is ok to compare stats to others, however I do not think it's ok to just say things like "I won't get in because my GRE or my GPA isn't high enough". GPAs and GREs are an important part but I know in many cases they aren't a make it or break it. Take it from a person who has been accepted to two vet schools already and has received another interview offer with an average GPA of 3.5 and embarrassing GRE scores (145,145,4). What I believe have saved me is my non-academic background. I used to get very sad, to the point I'd cry because I was under the impression that my scores were definitely going to keep me out of vet school. But then a wise person said something similar to what Lupin21 and dyachei have mentioned. After that, I made it my goal to show these vets schools that I am more than just my "stats". This mindset has definitely kept me going.
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(I feel like maybe I'm slightly off topic rambling instead of studying)
I can't spirit fingers this topic enough. An AVERAGE means there are some below and some above. It annoys me when people (and they still do in vet school) obsess over an average number. How much does that actually tell you? Are there any outlier numbers? How big was the number spread? Did one person make a 100 and the next highest was mutliple 80s but a few failures? Did people either get 100 or fail? Don't point a number and harass someone, and don't point at a number and obsess over it. Maybe it's just our competitive nature but it's annoying as all get out when I hear my fellow students or other vet students bicker about numbers.
Anyway. ImAVet, don't stress. All of my numbers were low for majority of vet school "standards." But my experiences, my interviews and everything made me look more "desirable." I'm only in my first year but I catch myself comparing myself to my classmates and get discouraged if the average is higher than my grade. You will be told not to compare yourself but it happens occasionally and it sucks. So, keep on keeping on and your "below average stats" can take a backseat to how actually awesome you really are.
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I most certainly will! Thank you! 🙂 I will actually be interviewing at your school on 1/9! I am friends with Geraline and will be staying with her! Maybe I'll see you there!
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It is not GPA entirely from ANY school.
The best way to "know what to improve" is via application reviews after the application cycle is over.
You can look at statistics and get a general idea of some things, but overall averages mean jack squat. I know you have been taught (though not sure why) to analyze and compare yourself to averages, but they really don't mean anything. They are possibly a decent guiding point, but outside of that, you really should ignore them and not compare. And to continuously look at an average, like has been done above in this thread, and go.. "well this GPA average is xxx, and you/I/whoever have a yyy, so you definitely should get an interview" is kind of absurd. Especially if you are claiming to be aware of the how the application process works. If interviews were based only off of GPA, every person with a 4.0 would get an interview and I have seen many on this forum rejected without interview.
I also took your tone to be snarky and defensive and therefore a bit "rude". My point is that you need to stop comparing yourself to one data point. Is your application one data point? Do you honestly see yourself as "just a xx GPA?" Because that is how you are portraying yourself in these threads and I would like to think (and I know) there is much more to your application than your one cumulative GPA. You submitted an application to these vet schools that includes all these other bits and pieces about you. About all of your experiences, your LORs, your personal statement, etc. Yeah, there are GPA's also attached to that application, yes it is considered, but there is so much more in that application. Instead of constantly mentioning that you have xxx GPA, why not go well I also have yy experience and zz extracurricular and I was leader of aa club (that was a bad choice for letters 😉 )
These boards are here for a reason. They are here so that pre-veterinary students can ask for help/advice with applications and things from those who have already been through it. They are also here so that sometimes those of us who have been through the process can see when the pre-vets are getting onto a thinking train all in the same direction of panic and fear and we can step in and say "calm down", "no, it really isn't just about GPA", "yes, it is nerve-wracking, go do something else", etc, etc.
We're all totally freaked out and looking for comfort, solice, conversation, and/or advice in individuals who are going through the same things as us, and that's totally ok
Yup, it is completely ok. But there are also individuals here who have already been through these things before. We are here to help and offer advice. So don't discount and ignore what we are saying. We aren't telling you to stop comparing yourself against average GPA's because we want to see you fail... it is because doing that will eventually eat away at you and distract you from other things that are really important parts of the application as well. It also helps so that you can take a step back and realize that you are more than just that single number and maybe taking that step back can help relieve some of that fear/anxiety of the whole process.
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That's fine. Just don't expect that when you post in a public forum such as this one that other members of the SDN community can't or shouldn't get involved.We're all totally freaked out and looking for comfort, solice, conversation, and/or advice in individuals who are going through the same things as us, and that's totally ok
Remember that we all went through this, too.
I understand where everyone is coming from but i don't think some of you are trying to get your point across in the most productive manner. I think we would all be happy to listen to you if your appeasement of our concerns and advice (which I have taken from some) came with a little bit nicer wording instead of telling us we are "ridiculous, uninformed, and absurd." Like I said, we are concerned, and sometimes fears are totally irrational and that's fine but telling us or me or whomever that I'm ridiculous doesn't come across as trying to help. It comes across as trying to shut our fears down and belittle our concerns. Most of you went through the same thing, which is great and puts you in a great spot to support us, but it's not supportive when our concerns are criticized or made fun of. I love when people say "hey you know what it's gonna be ok! Here's what happened to me last year" or "hey you'll be great" (which some of you have done). But support us without criticism of our concerns or fears, irrational or not, and don't belittle how we feel, irrational or not. It's terrifying time for all of us and we are all just trying to figure out our future one step at a time.
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I don't see that but i could have easily skimmed past that.
We aren't belittling your concerns. But sometimes, pre-vets particularly take things particularly hard when they aren't intended to be. Maybe some are just a tad defensive. It isn't shutting down your fears to tell you that GPA isn't the be all end all you think it is. If anything, it should make several people feel much better.
Just because we don't literally say "hey, it's gonna be ok" doesn't mean we aren't supportive.
It very well might NOT be ok this year. But vet school is hard to get into and not everything is rainbows and unicorns.
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We aren't criticizing or belitting you or "making fun" of your concerns. We are giving you alternative things to think about and trying to get you to see past your "fears".... I can't hold your hand and pat you on the back while handing you cookies and unicorn kisses on a silver platter and say "don't worry, it will be ok". I don't know that it will be "ok". I mean, you aren't going to die if you don't get accepted. It will hurt (a little), but life will move on and you will pick up and try again. But, I don't know that you will get in this year. I have no idea. So instead of patting you on the back and telling you that it will all be "ok", I am trying to give you the tools to see past your "fears (GPA)" and try to recognize you have more of offer than just that. If you can't see past that and into the meaning of the messages, no one here can help you.
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Well, no interview this year isn't the worst thing to happen. It gives you a whole year to improve your application. There were several SDNers that took multiple tries to get in. One lady got in on her 7th round.
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Pretty frustrating, I have called and they said everything was in vet med admissions hands at this point, but haven't heard a peep since Oct 1st. I was informed however, that interviews go until April, which I thought was cutting it pretty close to the national deadline
I got rejected from UC Davis the other day too so I'm like noooooooooooo, come on Arizona.
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The boards are also here so you guys can take advice from people who have actually been through the process. Not just so you can sit around freaking out and whining and huddling together like a passle of scared baby bunnies.
Christ, who pissed in your cornflakes. The world is not here to coddle you and sing you bedtime stories. If you are being ridiculous, we are going to tell you you are being ridiculous. It isn't our job to pat you on the head and tell you everything is going to be ok and keep encouraging this sefl-perpetuating cycle of overreaction.
And for feck's sake, it is not "terrifying" It's veterinary school. It's an application. Do you have any idea how many more truly terrifying things there are going on in the world? How sheltered a life people must lead if they consider applying to professional school "terrifying". This is a sign that it's reached a certain level of unhealthy and the best advice you can get it to calm the eff down about it and remember all the other more important things in your life.
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Or, you know, you could just take the advice for how it's meant, grow a thicker skin, and be glad there are people out in front of you giving you informed advice. I mean, you get to decide how to receive the advice, so.......
If this process is truly "terrifying" in the actual sense of the word, you are WAY overinvested in it emotionally. If you meant it as hyperbole, then you aren't really in much of a position to criticize the people offering you advice since you're the one ratcheting up the emotional investment, not them.
Relax. Take a deep breath. It's just vet school.
You just proved my point. If I want to be terrified, I'm allowed to be. If we all want to be concerned we are allowed to be. If you want to be supportive, awesome. This is my future and yea, I'm terrified, sorry if you don't approve or don't feel as if my feelings or the conversations on this thread are valid. But you don't need to be sarcastic and rude to get your support across. Thanks.
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you get to feel however you want to. But come back to these comments in a few months and see the wisdom in what she says.
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😆 Of course you are allowed to be whatever you want. Sorry, do you feel microaggressed or whatever millennials call it nowadays? Of course you are allowed to be terrified. And I'm allowed to tell you that being terrified is stupid. I'm sorry that I offended your delicate sensibilities and gave you a soul boo-boo by making you feel that your feelings are "invalid"
And honestly, I'm being supportive by telling you that you are being hyperbolic and overreacting, and you need to reevaluate your priorities if you are terrified by applying to a school.
so how about instead of ganging up on me and telling me how I'm feeling or what I'm thinking is stupid, ridiculous, or the millions other things that have been said, we move on? No one is accomplishing anything by trying to belittling how I feel or what I'm thinking. Really, you're not helping at all.
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you keep saying belittling. I don't think the majority of comments have been belittling. i'm honestly confused as to what you are finding belittling. We are trying to give you advice.
Good grief people, seriously
In this thread I have been told I am uniformed, being ridiculous, absurd, stupid, over reacting, and too emotionally invested in school. That's not giving me advice. And I'm done with this thread. Have A good day!
In this thread I have been told I am uniformed, being ridiculous, absurd, stupid, over reacting, and too emotionally invested in school. That's not giving me advice. And I'm done with this thread. Have A good day!
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Or maybe you could try a little introspection and take into account what we have said (and therefore work towards a healthier, more normal view of the application process) rather than covering your ears and going la-la-la.
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Minus the stupid (which I don't think anyone in the thread called you as a person stupid, only your insistence of being hyperactively emotional) that is absolutely giving you advice. It is just not the type of advice you want to hear which is why you are refusing to consider it.
