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Quick self correction here: bodyguard won't die unless someone targets them OR the person they're protecting. But if you're a mafia with knowledge of the NK, you can just avoid that.
Mission ImpoWWssible Game Thread
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Ay, verdad? Do you think I'm paired with Clem?
KayJayQueue
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And they would’ve stayed the leading wagon if not for that claim.
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Can you elaborate what puts chic on the same level as genny?
The only situation in which a bodyguard is confirmable is if we assume the existence of a cop or seer, which we've already had a discussion that they may not exist. I do think it's less of a possibility given that mkg hopped on Clem when (I believe) Clem and SAR were tied), but in the EoD scramble you can never be sure if folks are working with the most updated counts.
I’m not sure why.
You’re also making assumptions about how the night cycle played out, based on those roles specifically being involved, and then creating a world view based on that, which again, is a false foundation.
Village could have a PGO and Greedy was actually scum who did the night kill and got unlucky, for example. You just don’t know, and it’s not logical to make assumptions about the game state by doing NKA, while being uninformed about what actually did happen.
You’re picking a couple possibilities, claiming it’s absolutely one of these possibilities, and then trying to solve from there which isn’t real, because it’s entirely crafted on top of a reality you’re creating.
(The "of" should say "if" but I assume y'all understood).
This wasn't a flat out CLAIM NOW but it was pretty darn close.
KayJayQueue
new not noob
Oh I’m absolutely operating under the assumption greedy was town. And will continue to do so.
(am i paranoid to believe this could have been a scum leading scum interaction? a public display of chic "pushing" for mkg to RR as BG, in order to keep mkg who might be a scum PR?...)
KayJayQueue
new not noob
Hmm actually you’re right. I’m rethinking my assumptions now about what scum would do. Scum doesn’t have to target mkg. They can target who they want out and if mkg dies instead, oh well a PR is still dead. So I don’t think this looks terrible for mkg. I just don’t understand the choice of greedy over almost any other person. Like why not kill genny who led the scum wagon and is almost completely townread?
If the greedy kill was solely to confuse, congrats it did.
Edit: typo
Probably not. I just saw what felt like tunnel vision and felt like I should be cautious.
See this is where a lot of people will probably disagree with you. Short of meta/"I know how this player plays", there is nothing else concrete to support this, especially if you're trying to convince others of the same.
I don’t think I’d say “same” per se. Of the people in the game they’re the two I’m most village reading. Genny because the Clem vote was too pure and too early for me to believe an elaborate bussing scheme was at play.
Chic because of her posts, and my being able to follow her thought process and logic.
KayJayQueue
new not noob
But then SAR is town and was a viable wagon, why would scum sacrifice their roleblocker over mislimming town? I don’t really think this can be the solve unless it was a misplay.
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If it was, I wouldn't have publicly called it out/corrected your line of thinking lol
i guess my logic is "you cant save them all". They might not have accounted for people to wagon on Clem and just have to go with it, hence the waffling at the very end with 1 minute left. they would have been grilled and scrutinized all night
KayJayQueue
new not noob
If greedy was scum, where is the other kill? He can be town or 3p from your pov but not scum unless you’re going to say it’s more likely there’s a PGO which would be the pot calling the kettle black with how you’re saying I’m focusing on unconfirmed mech and wanting PR to out when you’d be doing the same thing you’re accusing me of in that scenario.
Unless SAR isn’t town, because the pack is Clem, SAR, and MKG
KayJayQueue
new not noob
Omg I thought this was zenge I was replying to lol disregard this
(zenge manator'ed me through my first scum game on this site btw and was keenly aware of my many mental breakdowns 🥲)
KayJayQueue
new not noob
Yes but I was specifically answering the question of the team being chic/mkg/clem, that’s all.
There are literally so many possibilities. Like the list is almost endless.
KayJayQueue
new not noob
I don’t think the list is endless. Maybe that’s where we differ. I know there’s an answer to my questions so I’m going to try to figure it out.
mkg needs to return and answer about the bodyguard thing
Just to illustrate my point, maybe one of the scum can have their factional kill be poison instead and someone’s going to drop dead unexpectedly during the day cycle here.
Like I can keep coming up with scenarios to illustrate this point but it’s clogging the thread.
Wait answer what exactly?
In the meantime. We do know Clem flipped roleblocker and I feel like the implications of that are intriguing but. Who knows.
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What sort of implications are you chewing on?
Because there's been chatter about it potentially being a fake claim, I want to see how she reacts.
Has SDN ever played with an arsonist? That's the REAL fun stuff 😍
That there's something it'd be beneficial for mafia to block. And that may be that's leading to some gaps in clear thinking/reads.
Just mulling.
Let me know when you elevate to ruminating
Even if mkg did reveal this, what would it tell us?
If she's scum, she can just point to someone scum didn't target. Wow, they didn't die, a shocker.
If she's town, there's no way to prove that she protected who she protected. And we get no information about the identity of the protected person (this isn't like a hider where they die if they interact with mafia).
... what would NOT be beneficial for mafia to block?
I believe so. A few different iterations. It’s been a while though, or at least I don’t remember the last time I saw one
Noted, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts after your reread
For one, we don't know if actions are silent. For two, we don't know if someone was tracking mkg to see if she did what she alleges. For three, the alleged recipient, if it's true role madness, could have some kind of funkytown bonus (PGO, for instance) where bodyguarding is impossible so they'd know if mkg lies.
So since the alleged role is outted, it's pro-town to reveal the target. UNLESS as Zenge said she can't target the same person in a row
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Yes, at least once because I know I designed a game with one but I cannot remember what game lol
I might be marinating.
if there's a tracker or watcher, they can confirm if that person was visited or not. no?
Right, but I mean someone may have bonus knowledge they aren't revealing at this time.
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KayJayQueue
new not noob
Arsonist I’ve only ever seen as 3p, that’s the role you mean? Where they douse someone each night right?
Alright, good point. Role madness will do its thing 😂
This requires the tracker/watcher/etc. to have properly targeted either mkg or the person mkg protected, but if we do have a hit, this could be good info.
proposing a mafia spooky themed game when? 👀 vampires and psychics, wizards, guardian angels etc. those are always fun times
Yessss. One of my fave roles to play (only got to do it once in my life). Prime/douse each night, and then ignite everyone at any point (some setups require it to be past a certain night cycle). I took out two scum that one game <3
there's an 11% chance of a hit. we could possibly revisit this N2/D3 when the odds are higher
