Mission ImpoWWssible Game Thread

[vampyrica]

Ignore the whole thread, play based on vibes hmmyes

dont tempt me

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[KayJayQueue]

my SAR read never changed? when did i say that? but SAR hasn't done anything for me to confidently vote for them, so if they're town and i'm just going on a gut feeling, then they get D1 elim for no reason?

This is vampy claiming her SAR read never changed but that SAR didn’t do anything to warrant a vote. It’s hard to reconcile that line of thinking when clem, someone she townread, was about to die. So her reasoning to not vote SAR and knowingly let a townread die was because she had no reason to vote? The reason to vote is that you townread one and scumread the other. But instead she claims she knowingly voted me to reaction test greedy fully aware her townread Clem was dying. I just find it very, very odd.


Edit: typo

 

[genny]

final votes for clem were:
genny, SAR, mkg and PSV.

i think it safe to assume atleast one of them is maf and bussed their teammate. i'm going to choose to play in a universe where KJQ and GB are being honest and are town, and just move on from whatever has happened the last 3 pages.

i think genny might be the most plausible choice out of the four, due to the fact they were to first to up them. however, SAR and mkg both have three votes for scum on the GTH reads. i think the most unlikely of the four would be PSV.

this is bananas

 

[supershorty]

this is bananas

sorry, I couldn't resist

 

[vampyrica]

im getting increasingly frustrated at the fact that i've been honest about my choices and thought process and you continue to dig. aaand expecting me to do what exactly? blow up, throw my hands in the air and go "ya got me! it was me all along!". i'm done entertaining this idea that im maf when i guarantee you i'm not. you can vote me if you believe my line of reasoning is sooo out of left field that it warrants sacrificing a towny for even thinking outside the box ON DAY 1 OF ALL DAYS.

you are truly wasting your time continuing this arguement.

 

[vampyrica]

here, i'll even get you started. im logging off for the night

vote vampyrica

 

[KayJayQueue]

im getting increasingly frustrated at the fact that i've been honest about my choices and thought process and you continue to dig. aaand expecting me to do what exactly? blow up, throw my hands in the air and go "ya got me! it was me all along!". i'm done entertaining this idea that im maf when i guarantee you i'm not. you can vote me if you believe my line of reasoning is sooo out of left field that it warrants sacrificing a towny for even thinking outside the box ON DAY 1 OF ALL DAYS.

you are truly wasting your time continuing this arguement.

I’m not continuing to dig, I’m explaining my pov to someone that ignored the conversation we had at night and I want to be understood, If I’m going to be pushed today, I’m going to damn well give my opinions on everything.

 

[genny]

you are truly wasting your time continuing this arguement.

fwiw, i think this is the entire point of WW. arguments that waste time. and killing your friends. but it's also supposed to be fun, and i'm sorry it got too frustrating and less fun for you.

 

[KayJayQueue]

I don’t think it’s helpful to use “well just vote me then” as an argument when I’m (we all are) trying to solve the game. Not everyone has checked in yet, I want opinions on the game from everyone to see if I’m missing something or not seeing something in a blind spot. If I was completely tunneled on you, I would vote you and turn it into a thunderdome and 1v1 you. But that’s unhelpful to town as a whole. I’m explaining my reasoning for my sus and pov to those that didn’t follow it at night or are asking questions about it or pushing back on me for my read. That doesn’t mean I’m continually pushing you, I’m just explaining myself so I can be understood. If I were pushing you I’d be voting you and asking others to but the day started like 1 hour ago and that’s just not helpful for town to do when we need to discuss things.

 

[fruitsalad]

This is vampy claiming her SAR read never changed but that SAR didn’t do anything to warrant a vote. It’s hard to reconcile that line of thinking when clem, someone she townread, was about to die. So her reasoning to not vote SAR and knowingly let a townread die was because she had no reason to vote? The reason to vote is that you townread one and scumread the other. But instead she claims she knowingly voted me to reaction test greedy fully aware her townread Clem was dying. I just find it very, very odd.


Edit: typo

i just don't understand how this makes her compatible with clem

 

[fruitsalad]

because isn't the argument of vampy trying to tie up the wagons actually be the case of her being a wolf?

 

[fruitsalad]

the consistency lies with vampy doubling down her kjq/greedy reads and pursuing that vote in d1

 

[KayJayQueue]

because isn't the argument of vampy trying to tie up the wagons actually be the case of her being a wolf?

My theory was that she didn’t see the wagon movement when she made her vote as she posted her vote in the same minute that mkg moved off of me and onto Clem. I think she believed I was the better chance to tie up the vote and didn’t see our movement onto SAR putting that wagon the next highest. It would make sense with the weird reasoning for her vote and explanation. But if we want to take her explanation at face value, then no it probably doesn’t make sense.

But I think greedy saw what I saw which was vampy pushing me/greedy as bad when we don’t know SAR’s alignment which very well could be scum for all we know as town. It seemed like vampy was pre-flipping her scumread as town due to her knowing SAR isn’t scum to push town (me/greedy) that was voting SAR.

But I can’t reconcile that with killing greedy unless the play was to specifically frame me which from my pov is a waste of their kill when a vig was highly speculated. It would also have to mean from my POV that there are 3 scum and vampy either has a partner, has a traitor or is the traitor. Because trying to 1v1 me as the only scum left feels like a Hail Mary and I think the smarter choice would be to kill town PRs.

 

[KayJayQueue]

the consistency lies with vampy doubling down her kjq/greedy reads and pursuing that vote in d1

But that doesn’t stay consistent when she walks back a scumread on me at night. I think that is what really confused me.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Going over all this again, I’m not seeing why vampy would kill greedy.

Options are:
1. Try to frame me
2. Try to stop the vigilante from being confirmable
3. Get rid of me/greedy solving together and killing me would implicate vampy more than killing greedy.

None of these make much sense:

Option 1 relies on a neutral 3rd party or potential scum teammate that’s townread to push that world for her. But that would mean PSV is scum and I do not believe that at all. The bus was unnecessary if PSV is scum. So this option seems unlikely.

Option 2 relies on the existence of a vigilante and taking a big target off the board and losing out on a second kill at night (with claimed PRs still around) - also unlikely.

Option 3 is only plausible if vampy was scared of outright losing today based on my/greedy’s ability to push the correct world that she’s scum. Could easily backfire unless she was a janitor and knew greedy wouldn’t have a flip to go off of to give any credibility to his reads. Feels convoluted.

So I’m probably going to rethink who I think the scumteam is from here because while I still don’t understand the reasoning for vampy’s EoD1, I see no real reason, outside of a Hail Mary or extreme panic, for greedy dying and being the only death. Unless there IS a doctor that saved mkg or a vig that shot greedy. Neither of which should claim to clear me anyway so it’s just theoretical in every sense and useless to speculate on.

We do have a lead over scum with a day 1 scum flip so we have wiggle room to be wrong, I just know I’m much more useful alive than dead with town trying to figure out who was the scum implicated with mislimmimg me. And the dead usually get ignored and I want to be useful lol

 

[fruitsalad]

But I think greedy saw what I saw which was vampy pushing me/greedy as bad when we don’t know SAR’s alignment which very well could be scum for all we know as town. It seemed like vampy was pre-flipping her scumread as town due to her knowing SAR isn’t scum to push town (me/greedy) that was voting SAR.

this feels convoluted

 

[fruitsalad]

But that doesn’t stay consistent when she walks back a scumread on me at night. I think that is what really confused me.

she could be reevaluating post-d1, accounting for the fact her town gth on clem was wrong

 

[KayJayQueue]

this feels convoluted

It might be but scum can perspective slip when referring to other players they know the alignment of without realizing they are doing so and should be reframing their POV to that of someone that doesn’t know anything. And it made sense to me when I first had that thought.

 

[fruitsalad]

but even then, the night discussions seem to imply her continued focus on you/greedy even if her reads changed

i saw she went from scumreading you to neutral/town reading you to scumreading you back again, i think her point was largely focused on her dislike for apparent parroting (mainly greedy parroting you)

 

[KayJayQueue]

but even then, the night discussions seem to imply her continued focus on you/greedy even if her reads changed

i saw she went from scumreading you to neutral/town reading you to scumreading you back again, i think her point was largely focused on her dislike for apparent parroting (mainly greedy parroting you)

I took a gummy so that might the issue but I’ve read this post a few times and it’s not processing for me lol

Either way, if you see my last big post you’ll see I’ve talked myself out of thinking vampy is scum for the time being and I need to look elsewhere. If you have any thoughts, I’d be happy to look into other worlds.

 

[fruitsalad]

I took a gummy so that might the issue but I’ve read this post a few times and it’s not processing for me lol

Either way, if you see my last big post you’ll see I’ve talked myself out of thinking vampy is scum for the time being and I need to look elsewhere. If you have any thoughts, I’d be happy to look into other worlds.

just to clarify, you’re still village reading greedy?

 

[fruitsalad]

moving mkg to village read

 

[KayJayQueue]

just to clarify, you’re still village reading greedy?

Yes I am

 

[fruitsalad]

oh... eh
Vote Clem

I'm aware it's not going to do anything tonight, but ######Vote Banger######

Vote SAR

Vote SAR

Gonna sheep my strongest town reads tbh

Yeet Clem?

**** why not yeet Clem

psv’s vote on clem was 2nd

well zenge voted clem before psv but didnt vote in the poll

hmm

 

[fruitsalad]

i dont think it makes sense for psv to bus clem like that given the volatile voting

 

[fruitsalad]

but it’s slightly less certain read compared to genny and mkg

 

[chicandtoughness]

What other flavor would you anticipate?

Idk, the flavor I named is the one that is usually played but I'm gonna be honest, I feel like I learn a new role every time I play a game here lol.

Assuming that is true, then the only things that could have happened are:
1. Greedy got vig shot + we have a doctor that protected a kill - this assumes that town has a doctor in addition to a bodyguard, which feels a little too much to me? but idk balance is a futile tree to bark up for me
2. Greedy is the scum shot - and possibly, there is no vig at all

So my search/solve today is primarily to figure out 1) who would want Greedy dead if mafia, and much lower down on the list 2A) do we have a vig + 2B) do we have a doctor/savior/roleblock/similar role who could have stopped a scum kill.

I guess there is some weird 3rd option where there are two paired 3p's (Greedy + someone else) and Greedy's death is essential to a wincon. (zombies?!??! /s please don't take me seriously)

I can’t. It doesn’t make sense from scum to kill greedy for us unless they had a janitor ability or something or otherwise knew we wouldn’t get a flip. Unless I’m missing something.

So you think it's more likely that we had a vig shot on Greedy and a doctor-type role that prevented the kill?

mkg could not have been the one who protected the kill because then she would have died. It has to be another party.

moving mads to neutral read

Tell me more.

It'd be weird to kill Greedy over an outted PR (mkg) unless there's a big reason... And in the words of Hoobastank, the reason is you.

I agree with that first sentence but I am not following your logic to the second sentence 🙁

I am truthfully VERY surprised to not see mkg killed if she is indeed the bodyguard. So possibly suggests presence of a doctor/jailer/etc. type role. I cannot understand why scum wouldn't pewpew the outted PR.

This is exactly why I would never be killing greedy!!! This gives me nothing if I’m scum. I lose out on killing a PR and I lose my only support??

I actually follow this reasoning. There's no logical reason for you to shoot greedy especially considering the night was full of me and vampy sussing you. I don't see you as someone who would dig your own grave like that in the name of playing some 3D chess WIFOM game.

Ignore the whole thread, play based on vibes hmmyes

This is the way.

 

[fruitsalad]

the thing is clem was under contention for a while given genny’s strong push and insistence to vote for him

 

[chicandtoughness]

final votes for clem were:
genny, SAR, mkg and PSV.

i think it safe to assume atleast one of them is maf and bussed their teammate. i'm going to choose to play in a universe where KJQ and GB are being honest and are town, and just move on from whatever has happened the last 3 pages.

i think genny might be the most plausible choice out of the four, due to the fact they were to first to up them. however, SAR and mkg both have three votes for scum on the GTH reads. i think the most unlikely of the four would be PSV.

Vampy I appreciate your enthusiasm but I do not think it is genny. An SDN player known for bussing their wolf mates D1 decides to show up and do the thing she is known to do? It's bold.

I still think the Clem wagon was pure. Genny was the only one on him most of the day; SAR/mkg/PSV jumped on it very close to vote close. It is highly unlikely to be PSV because Clem and SAR were tied at that moment and if she was scum she would just hop to SAR (who was also a perfectly viable wagon) to let Clem live. We've already discussed it is unlikely to be mkg given the way things went down. So of all these options, SAR should be your highest scumread, not genny.

 

[fruitsalad]

It is highly unlikely to be PSV because Clem and SAR were tied at that moment and if she was scum she would just hop to SAR (who was also a perfectly viable wagon) to let Clem live.

that depends whether zenge’s clem vote is counted

but i guess it wasn’t?

 

[fruitsalad]

i mean it wasnt in the final tally yes, but i’m talking in the context of tracking the votes/vote progressions

 

[chicandtoughness]

that depends whether zenge’s clem vote is counted
but i guess it wasn’t?

Ooooooh okay good point. I have no idea of knowing whether people were referencing the poll or their own tallies.

 

[fruitsalad]

Ooooooh okay good point. I have no idea of knowing whether people were referencing the poll or their own tallies.

sadly polls make it impossible to track votes 🙁

 

[fruitsalad]

i have to make a vote in 35 min ughhhh

Vote mkg

vote mkg

The fact that is 30 mins to vote close and no one has spoken up in defense of mads (barely even herself) or even tried to get another wagon going tells me I should leave that one be for today.

unyeet mads
yeet mkg

Okay.

Vote Clem

I feel like this is significant

 

[fruitsalad]

I'm a little confused on the deadset scum!vampy read from KJQ, I know she read Clem as town and it was last minute waffling from everyone, but if she was fellow mafia I don't get why she wouldn't vote SAR to tie it up and prevent Clem from being voted out (is that how that works when there's a tie?)

this part is what pushed mads to neutral

 

[chicandtoughness]

when was this?

thank you, i missed that somehow

I find it highly unlikely that a scum who is active and on thread during the last 20 minutes of a yeet vote would have completely missed out on mkg's RR. But I might be WIFOMing myself into a corner so perhaps this is just NAI.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Updated reads, still largely vibes:

Town lean: genny, mkg, KJQ, vampy, mads
Scum lean: PSV, zenge, fruit

Zenge has been quite passive this game but also very easily hopped on the Clem wagon. No idea what to do with him.

fruit is saying a lot of things but I feel like is hesitant to put anyone squarely in the PoE which feels wishy-washy to me. Lots of quotes, very little interpretation or thoughts other than things that have already been said by others.

PSV has been a little overeager to go down the KJQ definitely killed Greedy tunnel which is not in itself scummy but I cannot understand why the hard push.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Quick question for the group: how many mafia scum do you think we have left? (Ignore 3p scum)

 

[fruitsalad]

Updated reads, still largely vibes:

Town lean: genny, mkg, KJQ, vampy, mads
Scum lean: PSV, zenge, fruit

Zenge has been quite passive this game but also very easily hopped on the Clem wagon. No idea what to do with him.

fruit is saying a lot of things but I feel like is hesitant to put anyone squarely in the PoE which feels wishy-washy to me. Lots of quotes, very little interpretation or thoughts other than things that have already been said by others.

PSV has been a little overeager to go down the KJQ definitely killed Greedy tunnel which is not in itself scummy but I cannot understand why the hard push.

where is sar

 

[chicandtoughness]

where is sar

****. SAR is in my town lean but also, I need to hear more from her 🙁

 

[chicandtoughness]

I also absolutely HATE that I'm having this thought, because I do not want to invalidate vampy's feelings and experience. But the way she exited the thread was very reminiscent of zenge's self-vote and leave from last game, which garnered town cred after his flip from folks going "yeah he really did seem genuinely frustrated". I don't know if some of her exit is emulating, whether consciously or subconsciously, what she experienced last game.

(OOC: mafia can get super heated vampy, and it absolutely sucks to experience the pressure of being put under the microscope. I will always encourage folks to take a break and literally forget about the game for a bit so that you can come back refreshed to enjoy it 🫂)

 

[chicandtoughness]

Other fun group question: which do y'all think is more likely?

1. Mafia janitor
2. Greedy is some weird 3p role that's not exactly a miller that doesn't flip on death (or has a weird miller modifier that doesn't flip on death)

Night writeup flavor and the way the death was reported looks like a janitor but I don't want to go down the tunnel of role assumptions.

Now that I'm writing that sentence out loud, SAR was quite vocal about cautioning us to not assume role assumptions in this game. Would a town or a scum be more likely to say that? Inevitably figuring out roles will end up being part of the solve (at least, they tend to be part of MY solve), so did SAR have any vested interest in discouraging role hypothesizing?

I need to sleep, I've been up since 4am in the hospital.

 

[vampyrica]

i've had ramen and a crisp dr pepper zero sugar strawberries and cream. i'm back and locking in. hold please.

 

[vampyrica]

Cannot wait to follow Morticia Addams in her vetfluencer journey 😍

(im re-reading everything and totally missed this comment, mwah)

 

[vampyrica]

ISO Clem:

Spoiler

I've never played before

same thing they said last round. this holds no real value)

I mean tbf that's what an actual Miller should do

re-reading everything and taking a different approach, this is incriminating imo. and i should have picked up on this prior to making my GTH list. this seems super "not to play devil's advocate butttt.." in an effort to seem towny and come to GB's defense. poor read on my part.

Yeah haha who would do that, right guys, crazy stuff, haha yeah definitely nobody here, haha, amirite

this might be meta that i simply don't understand???

Vamp is town and I'm going back to sleep now

knowing i'm actually town, and they were maf, this is just throwing me under the rug as opposed to clearing a "teammate." they're just stating the fact that i am town.

yeah....i should have picked up on this.

In the broader mafia world, yeah. Or it used to be, idk if it still is. Anyways yeah generally speaking if you're a Miller it's usually considered good to claim it early, but of course it's also something mafia can claim pretty easily, so 🤷‍♀️

see but then they said this, and this just seemed so towny to me IMO

Yeah but they're not an sdner😛

I've spent most of today napping while my kiddo sits on my legs and plays blocks

Good day tbh

I helped organize a local pathfinder convention this weekend and it was incredibly rewarding and one of the most exhausting weekends in the last, idk, year and a half or something probably

Not counting the two tooth pullings

Every time I try to eat my son he tells me "no, how no food!" so I'm begrudgingly forced to agree

Highly recommend, it's super relaxing

these posts are just made as distractions, but then again, alot of clem's posts are just yapping (sorry clem 🩷 ) in an effort to make it know that they were in chat. lessons learned from the previous match. whole lotta yapping, not alotta substance.

I'm ISO-ing these for my own sake because I truly did not see what was so wolfy about them at first, but now after carefully going through these, yeah, pretty wolfy (whole lotta yapping, no substance). I'll be taking these sorts of things into account moving forward prior to making my accusations.

 

[chicandtoughness]

See I'm going to be completely honest, I cannot read Clem AT ALL. The posts you've ISO'ed are just as towny as they are mafia to me. Bless genny who picked up on it immediately; my scum read on Clem was due to her statement somewhere stating that when he villages, he usually is quiet on D1 but this time around he at least participated in the on-topic conversation.

 

[vampyrica]

if this is what you are asking for, here. my final PoE for the day (as in tuesday, may 27th):

Town:
mads
chic

Town Leaning:
zenge
mkg
PSV
fruitsalad

Scum Leaning:
greedybanger
genny
SAR
KJQ

Scum:
nobody definitive yet

• i'm moving genny up from scum leaning to town. there's alot of genuine problem solving and call outs on their part. holding them equally to PSV at this point.
• im moving zenge down from town leaning to scum leaning.

 

[vampyrica]

this is where i'm at right now in this current moment in time (including the dead):

Town:
mads
chic
mkg (PR)
genny

Town Leaning:
PSV
fruitsalad

Neutral (Town-/Maf-):
greedybanger

Scum Leaning:
zenge
SAR
KJQ

Scum:
Clem J

 

[vampyrica]

See I'm going to be completely honest, I cannot read Clem AT ALL. The posts you've ISO'ed are just as towny as they are mafia to me. Bless genny who picked up on it immediately; my scum read on Clem was due to her statement somewhere stating that when he villages, he usually is quiet on D1 but this time around he at least participated in the on-topic conversation.

that's valid. i've seen both sides. but, im also biased because i'm the only person they mentioned

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I agree with that first sentence but I am not following your logic to the second sentence

The Hoobastank thing? That's a reference to their song "The Reason". It may be their only song in existence.
Unless it's about the reason being KJQ, in which case I maintain the only logical killer is KJQ. Who else has reason to kill Greedy?