Official 2011-2012 IM "How To Rank" Thread

[jjy2103]

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Maybe something like:

Maryland
NYU
Dartmouth
USC = TJ = BU
Brown = Roch = Harbor
GT

wow...really? is NYU that much higher than brown?

any opinions on this? i thought that it was more like

rochester>nyu=BU=brown=dartmouth>TJ =GT

 

[gutonc]

Hey all, I'm having trouble separating out these programs. Thoughts?

Utah
Iowa = Minn (Decide college town vs city life)
A whole bunch of other programs you didn't mention but must have on your list...seriously, Chicago is a fine city but it's not all that.
Rush

 

[jdh71]

wow...really? is NYU that much higher than brown?

any opinions on this? i thought that it was more like

rochester>nyu=BU=brown=dartmouth>TJ =GT

one man's opinion . . .

 

[jdh71]

Utah
Iowa = Minn (Decide college town vs city life)
A whole bunch of other programs you didn't mention but must have on your list...seriously, Chicago is a fine city but it's not all that.
Rush

Utah = Iowa = Minn >> Rush

(no hate against Rush either)

 

[adagio]

if U of Nebraska and Emory are thrown to the mix, what would it look like?

Utah = Iowa = Minn >> Rush

(no hate against Rush either)

 

[jdh71]

if U of Nebraska and Emory are thrown to the mix, what would it look like?

Eh. I don't really like Emory that much, in that I don't think I'd rank them very high on a personal rank list, but I think they carry a higher rep than Iowa, Minn, or Utah.

U of Nebraska is lower.

 

[adagio]

Thank you

 

[kunfu]

wow...really? is NYU that much higher than brown?

any opinions on this? i thought that it was more like

rochester>nyu=BU=brown=dartmouth>TJ =GT

Your talking about Rochester NY?

 

[Instatewaiter]

if U of Nebraska and Emory are thrown to the mix, what would it look like?

Eh. I don't really like Emory that much, in that I don't think I'd rank them very high on a personal rank list, but I think they carry a higher rep than Iowa, Minn, or Utah.

U of Nebraska is lower.

I have to agree with JDH. There was something about Emory that jI just didnt like. I was very underwhelmed by the program in general and the new program director seemed like a dead fish.

Emory has a fantastic rep but the program seemed underwhelming. My year it went unmatched.

Emory> Iowa> minn=rush=utah > nebraska

 

[infarct]

wow...really? is NYU that much higher than brown?

any opinions on this? i thought that it was more like

rochester>nyu=BU=brown=dartmouth>TJ =GT

either way

 

[adagio]

Just wanted to say you're the exact kind of guy I want to be co-residents with. I'm actually parsing through a very similar list - Colorado / Wisconsin / OHSU / UNC / Michigan, so I take it as a really positive sign that someone with your attitude is considering the same places.

My gut feelings for each of those places was really positive. I thought Michigan had a bit more of an "elite" flavor (sort of a negative for me personally) than the others.

Also was a bit concerned because I remember Colorado having a reputation in the past as a malignant program, although I didn't get that feeling in the slightest while I was there.

Definitely interested to hear more of your (or anyone's) thoughts.

I have to agree with JDH. There was something about Emory that jI just didnt like. I was very underwhelmed by the program in general and the new program director seemed like a dead fish.

Emory has a fantastic rep but the program seemed underwhelming. My year it went unmatched.

Emory> Iowa> minn=rush=utah > nebraska

Thanks ISW

 

[jjy2103]

Your talking about Rochester NY?

yes, rochester is in upstate NY...

 

[jdh71]

Your talking about Rochester NY?

Roch carries a heavy regional reputation in the NE. This doesn't really carry outside.

 

[kunfu]

yes, rochester is in upstate NY...

Rochester also happens to be a town in Minnesota....which is where the Mayo clinic is.

Roch carries a heavy regional reputation in the NE. This doesn't really carry outside.

Yeah that was my impression. PD was a very nice guy. Program seems strong.

 

[matchpass]

How about this list:

Mayo, Rochester
Wash U
Cleveland Clinic
Northwestern
Baylor College of Medicine
U of Minnesota
U of Iowa
U of Tennessee
U of Rochester
UMDNJ, Newark
AECOM/Jacobi
Henry Ford
St Elizabeth's, Boston
Albert Einsten, Philadelphia

 

[NOsquid]

I completely agree with you on this one. Aside from the hospital not being the biggest and most up to date, I loved the program. I thought the residents were top notch. So far I'm pretty sure this is my number one. I think I will take a 2nd look as well. 🙂

Tulane doesn't have much cache but it's a solid program - resident-friendly, innovative - and New Orleans is a special place. I would (and did) rank it higher than several big names, even big names in "desirable" locations.

Though, to be fair, I'm not hunting for a competitive fellowship.

And to be clear, IMO the difference is *not* in the training. You learn real medicine down there, Charity is Parkland/LA county stuff without the malignancy.

 

[obiwan]

How about this list:

Mayo, Rochester
Wash U
Cleveland Clinic
Northwestern
Baylor College of Medicine
U of Minnesota
U of Iowa
U of Tennessee
U of Rochester
UMDNJ, Newark
AECOM/Jacobi
Henry Ford
St Elizabeth's, Boston
Albert Einsten, Philadelphia

WashU
NW
Baylor = Mayo
UMinn = UIowa = Rochester = Cleveland
I don't have any opinion of the rest of the programs because I don't really know them

 

[jdh71]

Yeah that was my impression. PD was a very nice guy. Program seems strong.

Roch has a great program.

 

[jdh71]

How about this list:

Mayo, Rochester
Wash U
Cleveland Clinic
Northwestern
Baylor College of Medicine
U of Minnesota
U of Iowa
U of Tennessee
U of Rochester
UMDNJ, Newark
AECOM/Jacobi
Henry Ford
St Elizabeth's, Boston
Albert Einsten, Philadelphia

WashU
Mayo = NWern
Baylor = Minn = Iowa
Roch = CCF
Henry Ford = Tenn
Everything else

 

[BlackNDecker]

Tulane doesn't have much cache but it's a solid program - resident-friendly, innovative - and New Orleans is a special place. I would (and did) rank it higher than several big names, even big names in "desirable" locations.

Though, to be fair, I'm not hunting for a competitive fellowship.

And to be clear, IMO the difference is *not* in the training. You learn real medicine down there, Charity is Parkland/LA county stuff without the malignancy.

Be careful...Charity does not exist anymore. There is talk of building a new hospital, but unless a large benefactor comes forward, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. Municipalities just aren't building county (Charity) hospitals like they used to. If I'm not mistaken, the most recent one was Grady...and Coca Cola built that one. There just isn't enough money in medicine at present to justify the expense.

 

[jdh71]

Be careful...Charity does not exist anymore. There is talk of building a new hospital, but unless a large benefactor comes forward, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. Municipalities just aren't building county (Charity) hospitals like they used to. If I'm not mistaken, the most recent one was Grady...and Coca Cola built that one. There just isn't enough money in medicine at present to justify the expense.

When you think about it. There is simply no reason to do so. With the laws in place on the books, you can make the private and university hospitals eat the bills of the uninsured instead of paying for it with county money.

 

[DrVanNostran]

Instatewaiter, this is for you...I need to decide between Bayview and Brown. Interested in H/O. Thanks.

I was just at Mayo, I am going to have a tough time in deciding where to put them in my rank list. Great name, not so sure about the depth of training, and Rochester...

 

[cardsorbust]

Instatewaiter, this is for you...I need to decide between Bayview and Brown. Interested in H/O. Thanks.

I was just at Mayo, I am going to have a tough time in deciding where to put them in my rank list. Great name, not so sure about the depth of training, and Rochester...

Mayo=Cold in Midwest
http://www.mayo.edu/msgme/documents/fellowships-2010.pdf

Brown=Cold in NE
http://www.brownmedicine.org/2/education/cat_career.htm

Bayview=Not as cold in Mid-Atlantic
http://www.hopkinsbayview.org/medicine/residency/lifeafterresidency.html

You're splitting hairs. They all get into good fellowships. As 99% of people say on here go with your gut after visiting a program and strongly consider stopping the worry about status or what your friends think. If you want an "academic perspective" BlackNDecker will be happy to share his. Gotta go. PLOS.

 

[kunfu]

I haven't been able to find Case Western's match list. Anyone else able to find it? Thanks

 

[jdh71]

I haven't been able to find Case Western's match list. Anyone else able to find it? Thanks

If google can't find it, it's not in the ether. Ask for it.

 

[adagio]

Ether

Aether is the preferred nomenclature 😀

 

[NOsquid]

Be careful...Charity does not exist anymore. There is talk of building a new hospital, but unless a large benefactor comes forward, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. Municipalities just aren't building county (Charity) hospitals like they used to. If I'm not mistaken, the most recent one was Grady...and Coca Colas built that one. There just isn't enough money in medicine at present to justify the expense.

It's the same pathology at UH though there are fewer beds.

 

[kunfu]

If google can't find it, it's not in the ether. Ask for it.

This forum needs a like button.

 

[adagio]

It already has!!

This forum needs a like button.

👍

 

[adagio]

We have real men here in SDN ... not those tiny hipsters with their miniature thumbs up likes on facebook

 

[jdh71]

Aether is the preferred nomenclature 😀

Not in America.

 

[adagio]

Where on earth do you get those great pictures from!!!

Aether is Aether ... Ether is for moonshiners only

 

[jdh71]

Where on earth do you get those great pictures from!!!

Aether is Aether ... Ether is for moonshiners only

You're probably correct.

Anyway, I just google image a term or phrase until I find something I like. Also the website knowyourmeme has be helpful if you're looking for something specific meme related.

 

[adagio]

You're probably correct.

Anyway, I just google image a term or phrase until I find something I like. Also the website knowyourmeme has be helpful if you're looking for something specific meme related.

Not correct actually!! I just checked Ether, and its correctly used ... I should have known better ... ever since Esophagus became Oesophagus in Kumar and Clark's

Great website! thanks for the link.

I am ruminating, again, on those valid words of wisdom:

So I stood up and told that teachin' lady

The only 3 letters I need to know are U. S. and A

 

[adagio]

http://www.explosm.net/comics/2643/

 

[applegeek1234]

I haven't been able to find Case Western's match list. Anyone else able to find it? Thanks

http://www.casemedicine.com/History.htm
(there are match lists by date & by specialty... they also give you a copy on interview day)

 

[nznyc]

how about these? based on academic rep. interested in heme/onc
columbia
mssm
cornell
penn
yale
uchicago
nyu

 

[jdh71]

how about these? based on academic rep. interested in heme/onc
columbia
mssm
cornell
penn
yale
uchicago
nyu

All of these places will obviously be fine to get a heme/onc match. I'd probably rank them:

Penn = Columbia
Yale = Cornell = UChicago
MSSM
NYU

 

[obiwan]

Be careful...Charity does not exist anymore. There is talk of building a new hospital, but unless a large benefactor comes forward, I wouldn't expect it anytime soon. Municipalities just aren't building county (Charity) hospitals like they used to. If I'm not mistaken, the most recent one was Grady...and Coca Cola built that one. There just isn't enough money in medicine at present to justify the expense.

We're getting a bigger and better Parkland thats due to open in 2 years and I don't think anyone like Jerry Jones funded the bill.

 

[BHMD3]

how about these? based on academic rep. interested in heme/onc
columbia
mssm
cornell
penn
yale
uchicago
nyu

I just interviewed at Penn and Columbia and my impression is that Penn>>Columbia for Heme/Onc (I'm interested in it too). Penn has a much better heme/onc department and a stronger focus in it during residency as illustrated by 5-8 residents/year go into it. Columbia's heme/onc dept is OK, only about 2-3 residents do heme/onc. The match at both places are pretty comparable - the residents at columbia who do heme/onc go to msk and md anderson and so do the penn residents. I would say that because of the bigger emphasis at penn and their better heme/onc dept I would think Penn would be a better fit than Columbia.

 

[jdh71]

I just interviewed at Penn and Columbia and my impression is that Penn>>Columbia for Heme/Onc (I'm interested in it too). Penn has a much better heme/onc department and a stronger focus in it during residency as illustrated by 5-8 residents/year go into it. Columbia's heme/onc dept is OK, only about 2-3 residents do heme/onc. The match at both places are pretty comparable - the residents at columbia who do heme/onc go to msk and md anderson and so do the penn residents. I would say that because of the bigger emphasis at penn and their better heme/onc dept I would think Penn would be a better fit than Columbia.

If residents at BOTH places both go to places like msk and mda for fellowship, then . . . how can one be "greater than, greater than" the other?

 

[KRichards62]

So far Tuloane has been my favorite by far but how would you rank these- looking for one of the more competitive fellowships:

Tulane
U Wisconsin
U Rochester
UAB
Maryland
Baylor
Tex A&M
Emory
Dartmouth

1. UAB
2. Emory
3. Wisconsin
4. Maryland
5. Rochester
...the rest

Tulane - great PD, but the program is not there yet. You've got many other much better options.

 

[kunfu]

http://www.casemedicine.com/History.htm
(there are match lists by date & by specialty... they also give you a copy on interview day)

Thanks man, was not having any success of finding that.

 

[kaelo]

Hi, I'm a bit of a johnny come lately to SDN, but I've really appreciated everyone's comments over the past years. I'm interested in ID and global health/policy, but for residency I'm more concerned with solid general clinical training and my own happiness/sanity. I'll throw in the caveat that I felt amazing vibes at the Brown interview, for what it's worth, and it's been precariously hovering at my #1 spot. Any thoughts you have on anything...rankings...residency...life...love and basketball...would be appreciated. Just trying to get as much input as possible!

Rochester
Case Western (global health)
UTSW
Yale (traditional)
Pitt (global health)
Brown
UAB
UVA
NYU

 

[jdh71]

Brown is a good program. We had one drive by post a year or so ago from
a resident there. It was a good plug.

Youve obviously got a nice list of programs but you already understand the going with your gut thing. Dong ask us, rank the way you liked them.

Hi, I'm a bit of a johnny come lately to SDN, but I've really appreciated everyone's comments over the past years. I'm interested in ID and global health/policy, but for residency I'm more concerned with solid general clinical training and my own happiness/sanity. I'll throw in the caveat that I felt amazing vibes at the Brown interview, for what it's worth, and it's been precariously hovering at my #1 spot. Any thoughts you have on anything...rankings...residency...life...love and basketball...would be appreciated. Just trying to get as much input as possible!

Rochester
Case Western (global health)
UTSW
Yale (traditional)
Pitt (global health)
Brown
UAB
UVA
NYU

 

[nznyc]

I just interviewed at Penn and Columbia and my impression is that Penn>>Columbia for Heme/Onc (I'm interested in it too). Penn has a much better heme/onc department and a stronger focus in it during residency as illustrated by 5-8 residents/year go into it. Columbia's heme/onc dept is OK, only about 2-3 residents do heme/onc. The match at both places are pretty comparable - the residents at columbia who do heme/onc go to msk and md anderson and so do the penn residents. I would say that because of the bigger emphasis at penn and their better heme/onc dept I would think Penn would be a better fit than Columbia.

Thanks. I haven't interviewed at Penn yet. I would agree that Columbia's heme/onc division wasn't quite as strong as their cardio division, for example. However, the research opportunities still seemed very strong with some amazing, well renowned faculty. Will comment again when I check out Penn!

 

[Ellie321]

Interested in Cards...

Hopkins
Vandy
Michigan
UChicago
UTSW
Mt. Sinai, NYC
Cedars Sinai, LA
UCSD
U of Washington
UVA
UNC Chapel Hill

I must say, I haven't found what I consider to be a "perfect" fit...yet.

 

[jdh71]

Interested in Cards...

Hopkins
Vandy
Michigan
UChicago
UTSW
Mt. Sinai, NYC
Cedars Sinai, LA
UCSD
U of Washington
UVA
UNC Chapel Hill

I must say, I haven't found what I consider to be a "perfect" fit...yet.

 

[adagio]

Hopkins
Vandy
Michigan
UChicago
UTSW
Mt. Sinai, NYC
Cedars Sinai, LA
UCSD
U of Washington
UVA
UNC Chapel Hill

I must say, I haven't found what I consider to be a "perfect" fit...yet.

Bentley Vs rolls royce Vs Maybach Vs Bugatti

 

[medstudent789]

Hey guys, new to this thread, would like some help in ranking programs. I applied to both community and academic programs mostly in the Southeast. I would say most are middle tiered programs with a couple high tiered and others I do not know where I should place or rank. Ultimately, my career goals are to finish the 3 year IM residency and subspecialize in Infectious Disease, Heme-Onc, or Endocrine then return to an academic hospital and work. Here's the list:

Mayo Clinic Rochester, MN
UCLA in LA, CA
UAB in B'ham, AL
Wake Forest in Winston, Salem, NC
Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte, NC
USF in Tampa, FL
UF in Gainesville, FL
Georgetown in DC
Mayo Clinic Jacksonville, FL
UT in Chattanooga, TN
Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital in SB, CA
USA in Mobile, AL
UM in Jackson, MS

So I think Mayo in Rochester, UCLA, and UAB are the top tiered on my list I guess meaning top 25-30 programs listed and I have seen multiple posts on this thread that seem to confirm that. Any information on any of these programs be it academic or community would be helpful.

Specifics I could really use help with would be I think someone posted in this thread they thought Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital was a very good community based program. Thoughts? Also thoughts on Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville?

My career goals are that I want to do Internal Medicine Residency and the subspecialize in either Heme-Onc (competitive) or Infectious Disease.

Santa Barbara is community based so any specifics on that one would be great. I am interviewing at Mayo in Jacksonville today so thoughts on that one are also gonna help me tremendously. For location on both of these it would be hard to beat in my opinion.

Thanks in advance for all the help in helping me