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Absolutely, nonop pod working for anything than a PP group doesn't make any sense because a system likely pays half to have an NP/PA do the exact same things. To reference my residency again, one of the other larger systems had a handful of nonop pods. I can't imagine the hospital doesn't look at the bottom line and think why do we pay these guys this much especially when they also don't cover call.
 
Admin at my hospital has made it very clear that they want me in the OR as much as possible. They tried to give me two OR days when I first started as a new grad lol. Should’ve taken it to have an extra day off
 
MicroPod said:
Admin at my hospital has made it very clear that they want me in the OR as much as possible. They tried to give me two OR days when I first started as a new grad lol. Should’ve taken it to have an extra day off
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Same. I am 7 weeks into my new hospital job and I will be in OR 2 days a week and that is where they want me. Will be a NP within the year I suppose
 
air bud said:
Same. I am 7 weeks into my new hospital job and I will be in OR 2 days a week and that is where they want me. Will be a NP within the year I suppose
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Nice! I’m not busy enough yet but I’m hoping they will get me an NP eventually to do inpatient and post op stuff. Can’t have PA in my state or I’d go for that.
 
MicroPod said:
Nice! I’m not busy enough yet but I’m hoping they will get me an NP eventually to do inpatient and post op stuff. Can’t have PA in my state or I’d go for that.
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You're not in a state, you're in IHS... they can do whatever they want. 🙂
MicroPod said:
I’m a bit worried about skill atrophy as well. I’m doing 1-2 cases a week but it’s almost all diabetic foot right now. Haven’t done a scope since residency and not sure how it would go at this point.
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You should have no problem getting some trauma in IHS... did you talk to ER docs/midlevels?
Ortho is non-existent or very minimally at most IHS. Even if they are there, usually not go-getters to any extent.
I'd talk to ER/urgent care "providers." A lot of it will be diabetic trauma, but it beats 100% pus bus cases.
Do get ready for stupid questions on-call from PA/NPs and attempts to call you in for dinky things.
It will eventually get you to boards, though (trauma ORIFs lead to eventual fusions, scopes, etc for post-trauma OA).

The hardest part for IHS is getting the elective recon (many pts are bad candidates... obese, no transportation, subtance use, etc).
It exists, though. Talk to PCPs about what you can do. They know you can do wounds and ingrowns, but talk deformities/msk.
Double that rare recon cases for VA jobs as very very few female pts, no kids, even more psych problems.
 
At this place it’s a tribal position so it’s kind of like a regular hospital that mostly sees Native Americans (several tribes around, it’s probably 70% the main tribe). There is the occasional non Native coming to the ER in more remote areas. The facility I operate out of is actually located in a decent sized city (the capture area is 1 mil+ population) so I think most members of the tribes are used to going to outside ER for trauma or anything more serious than a cold. There is one pod that has been here for a few years but he only does diabetic foot cases and practices in the more remote areas outside the major city. He doesn’t do any trauma or really any elective cases other than the occasional bunion.

I have done a lateral ankle ligament repair, ankle fracture. Have also done a couple of ulcer offloading surgeries. Have a couple of 1st MPJ fusions coming up. Other than that it’s been many amps and I&Ds.

I did talk to the urgent care NP/PAs about sending me stuff but so far it’s been mostly diabetic foot infection stuff. Need to talk to their main ER docs about what I can do though, its in a separate city on their tribal land that I don’t go to often because the other pod covers that area.

I’m getting pretty busy though so can’t complain. Seeing about 12-18/day in clinic with 2-3 inpatient consults per week. 2-4 cases per week the past few weeks.
 
MicroPod said:
At this place it’s a tribal position so it’s kind of like a regular hospital that mostly sees Native Americans (several tribes around, it’s probably 70% the main tribe). There is the occasional non Native coming to the ER in more remote areas. The facility I operate out of is actually located in a decent sized city (the capture area is 1 mil+ population) so I think most members of the tribes are used to going to outside ER for trauma or anything more serious than a cold. There is one pod that has been here for a few years but he only does diabetic foot cases and practices in the more remote areas outside the major city. He doesn’t do any trauma or really any elective cases other than the occasional bunion.

I have done a lateral ankle ligament repair, ankle fracture. Have also done a couple of ulcer offloading surgeries. Have a couple of 1st MPJ fusions coming up. Other than that it’s been many amps and I&Ds.

I did talk to the urgent care NP/PAs about sending me stuff but so far it’s been mostly diabetic foot infection stuff. Need to talk to their main ER docs about what I can do though, its in a separate city on their tribal land that I don’t go to often because the other pod covers that area.

I’m getting pretty busy though so can’t complain. Seeing about 12-18/day in clinic with 2-3 inpatient consults per week. 2-4 cases per week the past few weeks.
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Promise you have many more ulcer offloading surgeries.... literally every ulcer. Has this been here before? Why is it here? How do I do surgery to get it to not come back.

An ulcer is a biomechanical problem with some open skin, complicated by infection, blood flow, nutrition and blood sugar.

To expand on this ...diabetic shoes only help if you can get them ordered, if the patient wears them... The benefit of surgery especially these days with MIS is you can make significant improvement with very minimal risk. The less you leave up to the patient and the more you can control the better long-term success you have for ulcer healing. Diabetic shoes are not the answer. Surgical offloading is the long-term answer.
 
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MicroPod said:
...I have done a lateral ankle ligament repair..
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MicroPod said:
... Haven’t done a scope since residency and not sure how it would go at this point.
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Does anyone know anything about oak street health? Seems like cvs health acquired them and now I see some jobs for podiatrists with them…..

Estimated pay $172-370k (lol). Curious on what it’s about
 
MortonExtension said:
Does anyone know anything about oak street health? Seems like cvs health acquired them and now I see some jobs for podiatrists with them…..

Estimated pay $172-370k (lol). Curious on what it’s about
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I interviewed at medical group bought by CVS.... They started you at 39 for RVU. Bend Oregon. That money doesn't go very far there..
 
air bud said:
I interviewed at medical group bought by CVS.... They started you at 39 for RVU. Bend Oregon. That money doesn't go very far there..
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They would not offer that amount of money per RVU if they did not think someone would accept. Guess what? Somebody probably did.

OVER SATURATION. Repeat it.

Podiatry's worst kept secret

Every hospital HR director knows the deal. Every hospital CEO and ortho admin knows the deal.

Ortho groups know the deal. They are offering slightly better salaries and benefits then private practice podiatry groups but not nearly as high as hospital practices...because they know they can get away with it.

There are newly minted fellowship trained DPMs every year who are literally cold calling and begging current pods at hospitals for a job. That is how sad the state of podiatry jobs are.

We don't need this many podiatrists graduating every year.
 
Retrograde_Nail said:
They would not offer that amount of money per RVU if they did not think someone would accept. Guess what? Somebody probably did.

OVER SATURATION. Repeat it.

Podiatry's worst kept secret

Every hospital HR director knows the deal. Every hospital CEO and ortho admin knows the deal.

Ortho groups know the deal. They are offering slightly better salaries and benefits then private practice podiatry groups but not nearly as high as hospital practices...because they know they can get away with it.

There are newly minted fellowship trained DPMs every year who are literally cold calling and begging current pods at hospitals for a job. That is how sad the state of podiatry jobs are.

We don't need this many podiatrists graduating every year.
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We need to close the new 2 3 schools and limit the other ones to 40 max size
 
Why don't you guys check out the ACFAS official job board and see how many Ortho jobs are advertised there and how many of pod jobs. That's all you need to know about this profession.

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Dermato Fight Club said:
Why do they advertise ortho foot and ankle on that site?
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Basically recruiters / HR posting the job who don't know the diff (post to ziprecruiter, indeed, DocCafe, PracticeLink, aaos, aofas, etc).
Acfas doesn't use the p-word, so I think it confuses them sometimes when they're shotgun posting a job.

Back when I was in the employed job market, I'd email on some and ask if they'd consider a DPM... none that I inquired on would. (but still work asing... once in awhile, one will take DPM app or interview if they can't get the MD/DO interest.. but most are firm on ortho).

Retrograde_Nail said:
Because they probably pay to post their jobs there that's all. All about the dollars
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Yep. Exactly.
 
air bud said:
Why don't you guys check out the ACFAS official job board and see how many Ortho jobs are advertised there and how many of pod jobs. That's all you need to know about this profession.

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Found this gem as well. That 100k (but don't forget about the bonus opportunity!) will get you far in Seattle.
 
Homo sapien said:
Podiatry is a sad joke
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This is true...

But I will say that it's infinitely easier to laugh at that joke if you followed SDN rule #1 (find a high income partner).

If you're Dave Ramsey guy, or tons of others trying to feed a family + buy house + pay loans on DPM associate checks, then heck help ya. 🙁
 
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Single earner here with 4 kids. Luckily student loans have been paused forever and landed a decent hospital job (with loan payback). Also we don’t have expensive habits or anything because we spent the past several years poor.
 
Feli said:
This is true...

But I will say that it's infinitely easier to laugh at that joke if you followed SDN rule #1 (find a high income partner).

If you're Dave Ramsey guy, or tons of others trying to feed a family + buy house + pay loans on DPM associate checks, then heck help ya. 🙁
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No family, no house, but y'all got any of them neurosurgeons out there looking for a wasband
 
At first I thought "partner" meant "business partner" and I thought yeah that makes sense, buy in with someone who's really productive and draft behind them, cool.

Anyway 2 divorces later, I've found that kind of partner less of a sure bet...
 
Planning to make $275-$300K post residency graduation. Any recs on how to land a hospital job? Linkedin, Indeed, and craigslist does not have podiatry physician / surgeon job offerings with competitive pay or benefits vs if I look up foot & ankle surgeon where there's a bunch but states (no DPMs). Are we not wanted unlike Ortho-Pods?
 
HalluxSlicer said:
Planning to make $275-$300K post residency graduation. Any recs on how to land a hospital job? Linkedin, Indeed, and craigslist does not have podiatry physician / surgeon job offerings with competitive pay or benefits vs if I look up foot & ankle surgeon where there's a bunch but states (no DPMs). Are we not wanted unlike Ortho-Pods?
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Did you check the classifieds section of your local newspaper?
 
I can't help but wonder if general surgeon, ortho, plastics jobs have "visiting nursing homes and assisted living facilities" as part of a "surgical" job? Hmm...


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Visiting nursing homes and assisted living facilities
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HalluxSlicer said:
People still read newspapers? In all seriousness though, how do you get a job in this field?
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Some ppl say "word of mouth," but it's more just cold calling and emailing and asking until you are blue in the face... then dark blue... then purple... then bluish-black. Have fun.

I got sick of the crap jobs I had (very low pay for what I produced, crap/low staffing, middle of nowhere, crap job quality... or all of the above), and I eventually made my job.
 
There used to be a bunch of jobs available with Indian Health Service posted on their website but even those are mostly dried up at this point. There are a couple still listed that would probably pay >200k but locations are generally undesirable.

I have a couple of good contacts if you want to DM me for IHS jobs that are likely still needing someone because they have trouble filling positions.
 
Best opportunities for podiatry in no particular order.
1. Practice owner/partner
2. Hospital employed
3. Ortho or MSG
… I guess VA/IHS behind these

Even if you have one of the above there is no guarantee you make over 300k though. Likely after 1-2 years you will if you get production bonuses in the top 3.

Most of the employed jobs are already taken or you are competing with pods who have more experience than you. Job market sucks though and I really feel for graduating residents in our job market and economy.

I think your best shot at getting a good paying job right off the bat is find a community hospital in a rural area and get in touch with the CMO/CEO to see if they want to create position for you. Probably works better if you have some ties to the area.
 
air bud said:
There's a bunch of Kaiser jobs if you can afford to live in California without any type of bonus potential
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What's crazy is that the job in California ranges 260-350k, while the one in Hawaii is a flat 250k. go figure

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air bud said:
There's a bunch of Kaiser jobs if you can afford to live in California without any type of bonus potential
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Kaiser....the most overrated hospital employed podiatry job in the profession. Used to be the gold standard now its just above working for the VA.
 
Retrograde_Nail said:
Kaiser....the most overrated hospital employed podiatry job in the profession. Used to be the gold standard now its just above working for the VA.
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Never understood the kaiser obsession. They never paid well. Some bigger names worked there which I assume is half of it.

But the salary was crap in high cost of living areas.
 
DYK343 said:
Never understood the kaiser obsession. They never paid well. Some bigger names worked there which I assume is half of it.

But the salary was crap in high cost of living areas.
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Many prominent attendings have also left to join more lucrative and less demanding positions. It will continue to be a golden opportunity because of the terrible terrible PP offers in CA
 

Job Description​

  • Hours: Flexible schedule - FT does require 1 Saturday per month
  • Employed
  • New Graduates Welcome to Apply
  • Loan Repayment
  • Sign-On Bonus
  • Relocation Assistance Available
  • Compensation: $67/hour
  • Benefits: Includes but not limited to 100% employee cover insurance premiums, 401k with 3% match and excellent paid time off including 160 hours/year, 48 hours of paid sick leave, and 5 public holidays.
  • Additional Information: BHC is interviewing Podiatry providers on a full and part-time basis at a variety of locations in the LA and Orange County area.

    Requirements include an active CA license (or in the process of obtaining), and interest in providing care to the underserved community.
 
air bud said:

Job Description​

  • Hours: Flexible schedule - FT does require 1 Saturday per month
  • Employed
  • New Graduates Welcome to Apply
  • Loan Repayment
  • Sign-On Bonus
  • Relocation Assistance Available
  • Compensation: $67/hour
  • Benefits: Includes but not limited to 100% employee cover insurance premiums, 401k with 3% match and excellent paid time off including 160 hours/year, 48 hours of paid sick leave, and 5 public holidays.
  • Additional Information: BHC is interviewing Podiatry providers on a full and part-time basis at a variety of locations in the LA and Orange County area.

    Requirements include an active CA license (or in the process of obtaining), and interest in providing care to the underserved community.
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$67/hour is probably what a kindergarten teacher makes in Orange County
 
Adam Smasher said:
I hope your plans are flexible
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I'd say pretty rigid like hallux rigidus. Fresh pod school grads and young pods have loans averaging at 250K or more hence why us as 3 year surgical residency grads need that high paying salary.

Retrograde_Nail said:
Kaiser....the most overrated hospital employed podiatry job in the profession. Used to be the gold standard now its just above working for the VA.
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I heard kaiser is the only system that respected podiatry sharing the table with the other surgeons. The pay seems pretty competitive too with nice benefits its just that there are gatekeeper boomer pods who won't accept anyone that is not "fellowship placebo" trained and/or know would pull the classic frat move of "who do you know here" at interviews if you make it that far. As with Cali Kaiser, the bulletin for hire has been up since like 2+ years ago so not sure if they forgot to take it down or don't want to hire out of the 1000 apps they gotta scan thru
 
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