isthmus508
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Why is endodontic so competitive?
Oof, that’s tough. But does happen. Guy who was a year below me was promised a spot in my class and didn’t get it. But then they brought him in the following year.He is the Chair AND Director smh
At this point unless I see a written email sitting in my inbox, I'm gonna take everything with a whole pack of salt
A lot of GP’s start developing a similar mindset. Want to get better at one thing. Tired of trying to do a bit of everything. Endo you are solving problems, eliminating pain, a fixer. Dentistry is a lot of prevention but ultimately your work can lead to other issues. Just part of it. But it wears on you. “My tooth never hurt before they did that filling (or cleaning)”. “Do I really need that crown”. “They are just trying to sell me a treatment plan”. Endo is mostly black and white. You need a root canal. You want it or want to pull it and place an implant. Or “congrats, you don’t need a root canal”. The work is really hard but you are also well compensated for almost everything you do. Worst I get is a young kid that is a direct pulp cap. Tough to manage, deal with the parents, can be tough to isolate in a young molar that hasn’t erupted, MTA, Occlusal composite. All that and it’s only like $200 for the treatment. But besides that it’s nice payouts for your hard work. Where in general there are a ton of low paying procedures that can wear you out. Overall it’s just a great specialty for those that like dentistry, enjoy being meticulous, and like challenging work. You also deal with so much less than a GP. And the more people practice the more they realize it. So they apply…Why is endodontic so competitive?
There has been growing interest in specializing due to influx of DSOs and private equity into general dentistry. A lot of corporate models treat GPs like factory workers leading to burnout with subpar salaries. Endo provides the chance to make a really great salary while not having to juggle 3+ columns of patients. Also the fact that there aren’t a lot of new endo programs opening- keeping numbers at a stable level in order to maintain salaryWhy is endodontic so competitive?
why aren't a lot of new endo programs opening like orthodontics or pediatric? is it because endo specialty AAE try to keep the entry low??There has been growing interest in specializing due to influx of DSOs and private equity into general dentistry. A lot of corporate models treat GPs like factory workers leading to burnout with subpar salaries. Endo provides the chance to make a really great salary while not having to juggle 3+ columns of patients. Also the fact that there aren’t a lot of new endo programs opening- keeping numbers at a stable level in order to maintain salary
Why would Endo want to saturate the market? No thanks… why lower the standards? I worked my butt off to get here and deserve some of the benefits. There are a lot of issues with what ortho is doing. Applicants are so focused on getting a certificate and literally committing financial suicide. Don’t even get me started on the market itself. Endo is competitive just like certain specialties in medicine are. Opening more spots and/or programs is a mistake. I would say the same for all these new dental schools.why aren't a lot of new endo programs opening like orthodontics or pediatric? is it because endo specialty AAE try to keep the entry low??
Not enough full time endo faculty.why aren't a lot of new endo programs opening like orthodontics or pediatric? is it because endo specialty AAE try to keep the entry low??
💯Why would Endo want to saturate the market? No thanks… why lower the standards? I worked my butt off to get here and deserve some of the benefits. There are a lot of issues with what ortho is doing. Applicants are so focused on getting a certificate and literally committing financial suicide. Don’t even get me started on the market itself. Endo is competitive just like certain specialties in medicine are. Opening more spots and/or programs is a mistake. I would say the same for all these new dental schools.
And a lot of $$$$ to set up endo departments (microscopes and chairs…)Not enough full time endo faculty.
Against what? The AAE and Foundation of Endo spends a lot investment in trying to recruit more full time Endo faculty.And a lot of $$$$ to set up endo departments (microscopes and chairs…)
Also AAE is one of the greatest dental association against this..
Against opening more endodontics programs.Against what? The AAE and Foundation of Endo spends a lot investment in trying to recruit more full time Endo faculty.
There is not enough Endo faculty at the predoctoral level and even less at the graduate level.
💯There is not enough Endo faculty at the predoctoral level and even less at the graduate level.
You can’t just open more programs if you are having a faculty shortage. For one, CODA requirements require that the program director be board certified. AAE is not against programs opening but does stand for Endodontics being taught by Endodontists.Against opening more endodontics programs.
Factor | Endodontics | Ortho/Pediatric Dentistry |
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Residency Positions | 🔴 Very limited (2–5/program) | 🟢 Moderate to high (4–8/program) |
Faculty-to-Resident Ratio | 🔴 Small (1:2 or 1:3) | 🟢 Larger (often 1:4 or greater) |
Barrier to Entry (Experience) | 🔴 Very High (often 3–5 yrs exp.) | 🟡 Moderate (often right from dental school) |
Procedural Complexity & Technology | 🔴 High complexity, microscope-intensive | 🟡 Moderate complexity, standardized procedures |
Market Saturation | 🟢 Low risk, tightly managed | 🟡 Higher risk, especially ortho |
Career Earning Potential | 🟢 High | 🟡 Moderate-to-High |
Ive heard of people considering going through Sallie MaeI was just accepted to an Endo program. I graduated from dental school a few years ago with 300k in loans. The program would cost me 200k+ to cover tuition and living expenses for the next two years. How do I go about paying for school if I have already hit the loan limit according to the Big Beautiful Bill? What price is residency not worth it for Endo?
let me have your spot and I'll let you know in a couple of years 😆I was just accepted to an Endo program. I graduated from dental school a few years ago with 300k in loans. The program would cost me 200k+ to cover tuition and living expenses for the next two years. How do I go about paying for school if I have already hit the loan limit according to the Big Beautiful Bill? What price is residency not worth it for Endo?
I go to sleep at night praying to get hit (gently) by a MaybachI was just accepted to an Endo program. I graduated from dental school a few years ago with 300k in loans. The program would cost me 200k+ to cover tuition and living expenses for the next two years. How do I go about paying for school if I have already hit the loan limit according to the Big Beautiful Bill? What price is residency not worth it for Endo?
Only military programs... There is no civilian program that has "spots" for military.What schools or programs have spots for military?
I agree. I do know schools interview candidates who have some military background, but those are not guaranteedOnly military programs... There is no civilian program that has "spots" for military.