*****Official PASS 2025 Endodontic Residency Interviews/Information***

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Just got an interview- curious how many interviews they sent? Just don’t want to get my hopes up unnecessarily lol
 
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Hi everyone - I was wondering if anyone who has been in a similar situation to mine might have some advice. I finished up my AEGD at the end of June and, a few weeks ago, was very fortunate to accept an Endo residency position for next year (starting June 2025).

I've interviewed at some offices for a general dentistry position until then, but all have responded stating they're looking for a longer term associate. What have people with these awkward ~10 month gaps before residency done? Perhaps it would be worth it to apply for another state dental licensure, where Locum Tenens options might be more available. If nothing else, is it okay to be out of practice until residency begins?
 
I mean no body is going to ask you where you practiced since you already got in
dent1024 said:
Hi everyone - I was wondering if anyone who has been in a similar situation to mine might have some advice. I finished up my AEGD at the end of June and, a few weeks ago, was very fortunate to accept an Endo residency position for next year (starting June 2025).

I've interviewed at some offices for a general dentistry position until then, but all have responded stating they're looking for a longer term associate. What have people with these awkward ~10 month gaps before residency done? Perhaps it would be worth it to apply for another state dental licensure, where Locum Tenens options might be more available. If nothing else, is it okay to be out of practice until residency begins?
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dent1024 said:
Hi everyone - I was wondering if anyone who has been in a similar situation to mine might have some advice. I finished up my AEGD at the end of June and, a few weeks ago, was very fortunate to accept an Endo residency position for next year (starting June 2025).

I've interviewed at some offices for a general dentistry position until then, but all have responded stating they're looking for a longer term associate. What have people with these awkward ~10 month gaps before residency done? Perhaps it would be worth it to apply for another state dental licensure, where Locum Tenens options might be more available. If nothing else, is it okay to be out of practice until residency begins?
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Corporate or locum is your best bet. Congrats on your admit!
 
dent1024 said:
Hi everyone - I was wondering if anyone who has been in a similar situation to mine might have some advice. I finished up my AEGD at the end of June and, a few weeks ago, was very fortunate to accept an Endo residency position for next year (starting June 2025).

I've interviewed at some offices for a general dentistry position until then, but all have responded stating they're looking for a longer term associate. What have people with these awkward ~10 month gaps before residency done? Perhaps it would be worth it to apply for another state dental licensure, where Locum Tenens options might be more available. If nothing else, is it okay to be out of practice until residency begins?
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Congrats on getting in. I am in the same situation. I just chose not to disclose that I got in. I am purposely not doing larger cases such as overdentures and clear aligners. I feel like I am being deceitful, but I also cannot be unemployed for 10 months.. on top of the 2 years that's to come. Like others mentioned, locum is also a good option. My friend who graduated years back also did DSO until he started. My logic is disclosing your acceptance can backfire and may rob you of opportunities to make a little bit of money.
 
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Congrats on the acceptances! I would consider looking into FQHCs near you. Some of them have higher turnover or have sites that are less desirable and would be more than happy to do a short term hire. In my experience, many have a 30 day notice period, so you don’t have to mention your acceptance, although I recommend giving at least 60 days notice so they can coordinate patient care in your absence.
 
bahter said:
Congrats on getting in. I am in the same situation. I just chose not to disclose that I got in. I am purposely not doing larger cases such as overdentures and clear aligners. I feel like I am being deceitful, but I also cannot be unemployed for 10 months.. on top of the 2 years that's to come. Like others mentioned, locum is also a good option. My friend who graduated years back also did DSO until he started. My logic is disclosing your acceptance can backfire and may rob you of opportunities to make a little bit of money.
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Agreed. Just don't mention that you'll be leaving soon. 🙂
 
dent1024 said:
Last year's interview invitations were sent via email on Wed, September 6th, so it might be a few more weeks – good luck!
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Awesome! I still have hope. I have a friend there trying to talk me up, but I’m fluent in Spanish and have a ton of clinical experience. I also help in endo on Friday mornings at my local dental school.
 
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My big drawback is that I have a low GPA since our clinic wasn’t graded, and in school I only wanted to do GP, just the romance of GP faded when I started working and my favorite days were when I was doing endo, now I do 5-15 cases a week.
 
dent1024 said:
Hi everyone - I was wondering if anyone who has been in a similar situation to mine might have some advice. I finished up my AEGD at the end of June and, a few weeks ago, was very fortunate to accept an Endo residency position for next year (starting June 2025).

I've interviewed at some offices for a general dentistry position until then, but all have responded stating they're looking for a longer term associate. What have people with these awkward ~10 month gaps before residency done? Perhaps it would be worth it to apply for another state dental licensure, where Locum Tenens options might be more available. If nothing else, is it okay to be out of practice until residency begins?
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Find an emergency dental nearby and work 2-3 days a week. They need you even if short term
 
Sky9299 said:
A lot of things to consider. How much are you making as a GP and how much potentially you can make as an endodontist? Is it worth the headache for the re-application? Can you get into one that’s cheaper? Cheaper programs means nothing if they don’t think you got what it takes to be their resident. I would think it twice before turning down a program that recognizes your potential.
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If you make around 300k as a GP, is it even worth doing endo?
 
Any tips of making my application more competitive next year?


Im 6 years out of school and applied to 15 schools and no interviews.
My GPA in dental school was around a 3.0 and I applied late may this year. No major CE courses or ADAT taken or volunteering

Do you think taking ADAT will help my application? Also considering volunteering at an emergency dental clinic at a dental school and taking multiple CE endo courses. What other suggestions do you guys suggest to do?
 
patricklin27 said:
If you make around 300k as a GP, is it even worth doing endo?
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I'd say 2 things:
1 - if you like/love root canals more than other aspects of dentistry, then yes its worth it, even if you have to re-apply.
2 - I make $300k as an associate GP, and while doable, unless you want to become an owner/multisite owner it is not sustainable. Even if you do transition to own, then depending on where you own you're not guaranteed to make that much, plus once you start hiring associates its a crapshoot whether you'll get a good one or not/how long they will stay. Not to mention all the work that comes with ownership (hiring/firing/staff calling out sick, etc...). GP, isn't for everyone, ownership isn't for everyone.

I've been practicing 10 years and would rather re-apply the next 5 years to get in and do Endo for another 20 before I retire than do GP for another 25 years. Plenty of other associates would be happy doing basic dentistry and make $150-200k their whole lives.
 
Anyone able to update the program list? What schools still haven't filled their class yet? Received a rejection from UoP today. Didn't they not interview yet?
 
patricklin27 said:
Any tips of making my application more competitive next year?


Im 6 years out of school and applied to 15 schools and no interviews.
My GPA in dental school was around a 3.0 and I applied late may this year. No major CE courses or ADAT taken or volunteering

Do you think taking ADAT will help my application? Also considering volunteering at an emergency dental clinic at a dental school and taking multiple CE endo courses. What other suggestions do you guys suggest to do?
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I think ADAT would definitely help you to show programs you would be able to handle their “academic rigor” if you can score well enough on it.
 
gorilla3 said:
Anyone able to update the program list? What schools still haven't filled their class yet? Received a rejection from UoP today. Didn't they not interview yet?
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I thought UPENN sent out invites… I am not aware if they did or didn’t.
 
mainNXI said:
I think ADAT would definitely help you to show programs you would be able to handle their “academic rigor” if you can score well enough on it.
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Say you score low on the adat, are you required to report the score?
 
CFish said:
I'd say 2 things:
1 - if you like/love root canals more than other aspects of dentistry, then yes its worth it, even if you have to re-apply.
2 - I make $300k as an associate GP, and while doable, unless you want to become an owner/multisite owner it is not sustainable. Even if you do transition to own, then depending on where you own you're not guaranteed to make that much, plus once you start hiring associates its a crapshoot whether you'll get a good one or not/how long they will stay. Not to mention all the work that comes with ownership (hiring/firing/staff calling out sick, etc...). GP, isn't for everyone, ownership isn't for everyone.

I've been practicing 10 years and would rather re-apply the next 5 years to get in and do Endo for another 20 before I retire than do GP for another 25 years. Plenty of other associates would be happy doing basic dentistry and make $150-200k their whole lives.
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Why do you think doing 300k as an associate every year is not sustainable?
 
patricklin27 said:
Why do you think doing 300k as an associate every year is not sustainable?
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It's a lot of work and the amount of production/hours/days you have to do year over year for that is tiring. I like to hustle, and maybe some associates who love GP and are better than me can keep it up for more than a decade, but I don't think anyone wants to hustle that hard in their 50s or 60's, which is why most that make that much after a while move into ownership or something else.

Now if you're really successful and you get to a point where you're doing all-on-x, lots of implants and big cases, then sure, probably easier than the medicaid kids I see to make that 300k+, but if thats the route someone wants to go then endo probably isn't in their sights.

shoot, I know places you can go near the border and make $400-500k and probably not do any molar endo or other complex dentistry if you're willing to live there. always trade offs to making money.

I guess when I say "not sustainable as an associate" it's because in the end if you're good enough/hustle hard enough to produce like that, you're eventually going to "specialize" in something, whether its implants, sleep medicine, ownership, etc. so you're not doing regular GP everyday for 30+ years for someone else
 
gorilla3 said:
Anyone able to update the program list? What schools still haven't filled their class yet? Received a rejection from UoP today. Didn't they not interview yet?
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I guess the rejections are for people who didn't even make the interview round. I got that too. Nice of them to at least send something I guess instead of completely ghosting, but I believe they also want to get sign ups for the CE stuff they do, so in a way they're giving you options to boost your CV for the next cycle if you still want to apply
 
Mo K said:
non... take my advice, if you don't have a license in the U.S. ... no one cares about you, no matter what you do here. I applied 2 cycles and interacted with a program director heavily and his residents and staff. even that didn't get me a spot in their residency.

I even turned down an AEGD admission when I saw my interaction with the director was going very positively. It turns out that no one cares about what you have as long as you don't have an AEGD/GPR residency or license in the U.S (besides your credentials in the U.S.).

I know people say that is normal, and I know that some people say that they applied 5+ times and they keep going.... but those who did are national students with a U.S. License... if you are an international, your odds are less than 1%. I am an international student and I am deeply frustrated with turning down an admission and a chance to get licensed in the U.S. yet not getting admission in the program that I anticipated the most.
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this is simply not true lol

you can literally check the list of the residents and there are healthy mix of international dentists
 
Any acceptances from USC? Does anyone have any idea when they will send out the acceptances?
 
mainNXI said:
I think ADAT would definitely help you to show programs you would be able to handle their “academic rigor” if you can score well enough on it.
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He needs an “in.” Him killing the adat isn’t going to turn may heads and everything else he mentioned is substandard aside from clinical experience. Being frank, it’s not impossible, but a stretch.
 
How does one secure an "in?" I was thinking of writing a best selling autobiography. Hopefully the story will be compelling enough. Heck, I'll even take depressing and pitiful enough. Shopping some titles. I was thinking, "By word of mouth: the navigation of life's canals"
 
rb19 said:
How does one secure an "in?" I was thinking of writing a best selling autobiography. Hopefully the story will be compelling enough. Heck, I'll even take depressing and pitiful enough. Shopping some titles. I was thinking, "By word of mouth: the navigation of life's canals"
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it’s unreal and tough. An “in” I def agree with in some situations. Reach out to dental schools, see If you can volunteer in the academic setting. Never know who you can meet there that may help you. Take CE, be knowledgeable on up to date trends, topics, and talk to local specialists. Reach out to programs and schedule a “visit or tour” prior to the cycle start (can be like a one on one with the PD before the cycle in some schools).

If you get interviews and not accepted or don’t get any interview, update the programs on the growth of your app. They may respond, may not. Go to the AAE and network and get good CE. Going to just meet PDs is good but from my experience it was awkward waiting in a line with other endo hopefuls, waiting to talk to them and the conversation was not memorable for either party. Or chase them around the venue all day. I’m not one for begging or annoying anyone so I ended up just taking CE. Some people will disagree. I think it would be better to have an “in” with someone at the AAE that may know a program director and personally introduce you. Getting that “in” is challenging but can be done with just getting yourself out there. Sitting in your GP practice doing tons of endo ain’t gonna do it. Unfortunately. Politics.
 
patricklin27 said:
Any tips of making my application more competitive next year?


Im 6 years out of school and applied to 15 schools and no interviews.
My GPA in dental school was around a 3.0 and I applied late may this year. No major CE courses or ADAT taken or volunteering

Do you think taking ADAT will help my application? Also considering volunteering at an emergency dental clinic at a dental school and taking multiple CE endo courses. What other suggestions do you guys suggest to do?
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To be fair, with so many applicants applying for so few seats, I think it's a "stretch" for a lot of us applying!
You have more gp experience than the vast majority of applicants/intervewees that I have met, so that is an advantage! What you need to do is strengthen the weak points.

Obviously you can't change the 3.0 gpa, but I do think that getting a good ADAT score will cushion that aspect of your application. I am in a similar situation, I had a pretty bad class rank and the first year I applied I didn't get any interviews. I took the ADAT spring of this year and heard back with some interviews. It was actually brought up by multiple interviewers and one of them even said that it's a good thing I took the ADAT! So I wouldn't brush it off if I were you, I'm glad I took it.

Then next place I would look at is personal statement and letters of rec.
Take more endo CE, definitely attend AAE. Research beforehand the names of the program directors and find their picture in a directory so you can go out of your way to find them and introduce yourself. Go to the table clinics and speak with the current residents at the programs you are applying to.
I also think working as an adjunct faculty at a dental school would look really good. The more you can do to supplement your application and round it out, the better!
 
faded2122 said:
I think it would be better to have an “in” with someone at the AAE that may know a program director and personally introduce you.
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Trying to be memorable (pester, because that's what it really is), to a PD is very difficult. I would try to get in good with another faculty member that can in turn "talk you up."
 
faded2122 said:
it’s unreal and tough. An “in” I def agree with in some situations. Reach out to dental schools, see If you can volunteer in the academic setting. Never know who you can meet there that may help you. Take CE, be knowledgeable on up to date trends, topics, and talk to local specialists. Reach out to programs and schedule a “visit or tour” prior to the cycle start (can be like a one on one with the PD before the cycle in some schools).

If you get interviews and not accepted or don’t get any interview, update the programs on the growth of your app. They may respond, may not. Go to the AAE and network and get good CE. Going to just meet PDs is good but from my experience it was awkward waiting in a line with other endo hopefuls, waiting to talk to them and the conversation was not memorable for either party. Or chase them around the venue all day. I’m not one for begging or annoying anyone so I ended up just taking CE. Some people will disagree. I think it would be better to have an “in” with someone at the AAE that may know a program director and personally introduce you. Getting that “in” is challenging but can be done with just getting yourself out there. Sitting in your GP practice doing tons of endo ain’t gonna do it. Unfortunately. Politics.
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The Office Politics GIF
 
rb19 said:
How does one secure an "in?" I was thinking of writing a best selling autobiography. Hopefully the story will be compelling enough. Heck, I'll even take depressing and pitiful enough. Shopping some titles. I was thinking, "By word of mouth: the navigation of life's canals"
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The year I applied, went to annual meeting, at the party event the last night, ended up chatting with this random endo while standing in line for drinks, turned out he was there by himself, it was his first AAE in a while and none of this co-residents were there, his former PD happened to walk by and they had a little reunion (I'm just standing there awkwardly) and then he turned to me and said to his PD "This is redchesus, he's applying to your program!" PD (who I think was a little tipsy) grabbed my badge and looked at my name then said "good luck!" and wandered off. But I did get an interview there.

Not saying that this a sure-fire method, but it's the wildest way I got an "in"
 
redchesus said:
The year I applied, went to annual meeting, at the party event the last night, ended up chatting with this random endo while standing in line for drinks, turned out he was there by himself, it was his first AAE in a while and none of this co-residents were there, his former PD happened to walk by and they had a little reunion (I'm just standing there awkwardly) and then he turned to me and said to his PD "This is redchesus, he's applying to your program!" PD (who I think was a little tipsy) grabbed my badge and looked at my name then said "good luck!" and wandered off. But I did get an interview there.

Not saying that this a sure-fire method, but it's the wildest way I got an "in"
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I visited a program the week before COVID shutting the country down. PD liked me and said this encounter could count for my interview. Offered me a spot right there. That's just how that PD operated. I can't define how to get an "in", but maybe being in the right place at the right time is more accurate. Going out and meshing with residents and faculty, AAE stuff, CE and visiting programs increases the chances if you are not a traditional applicant with amazing grades etc. I feel like we are repeating ourselves a lot.
 
SirBrotherJam said:
I visited a program the week before COVID shutting the country down. PD liked me and said this encounter could count for my interview. Offered me a spot right there. That's just how that PD operated. I can't define how to get an "in", but maybe being in the right place at the right time is more accurate. Going out and meshing with residents and faculty, AAE stuff, CE and visiting programs increases the chances if you are not a traditional applicant with amazing grades etc. I feel like we are repeating ourselves a lot.
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you just gotta know a guy who knows a guy that knows another guy
 
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