Official Perio interviews thread

[esclavo]

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Has anyone heard any good news from perio programs?

Yes, that they decided to quit fooling poor dental students and dentists across the country. Now they will downscale the specialty from 3 years to 3 weeks and they will rename the specialty: "gums, voodoo, and an occasional implant". The GVOI.... Yup, thats the good new I've heard...

 

[Bifid Uvula]

Yes, that they decided to quit fooling poor dental students and dentists across the country. Now they will downscale the specialty from 3 years to 3 weeks and they will rename the specialty: "gums, voodoo, and an occasional implant". The GVOI.... Yup, thats the good new I've heard...

I heard a little more... they are gonna offer a few fellowships as well: These fellowships will be from 6 months to a year in length. Highly competitive....
1) History of the Gums
2) Left handed scaling
3) Relieving recession on one side by causing it on the other side.
4) How to wooooo an orthopedic surgeon into harvesting extra-oral bone for your implant cases.

 

[OMFS2B]

I heard a little more... they are gonna offer a few fellowships as well: These fellowships will be from 6 months to a year in length. Highly competitive....
1) History of the Gums
2) Left handed scaling
3) Relieving recession on one side by causing it on the other side.
4) How to wooooo an orthopedic surgeon into harvesting extra-oral bone for your implant cases.

You can also take the Perio CE course, "Streamlining and improving productivity; how you can place the single dental implant in three hours." Next year the anesthesia topic is "Airway management, understanding how the nasal canula will resolve all airway emergencies."

 

[Bifid Uvula]

You can also take the Perio CE course, "Streamlining and improving productivity; how you can place the single dental implant in three hours." Next year the anesthesia topic is "Airway management, understanding how the nasal canula will resolve all airway emergencies."

I like the multi-disciplinary course offered... SPATULA (drive it around the tooth for 3 hours to "atraumatically" extract, then use it to flip pancakes later)

 

[Mouthjaw]

Great! I love insecure OMS residents. Please contact me before you graduate so that you can set up next to me and drive your referrals away with your arrogance and insecurity. Actually, there are some good OMS in my area so you probably would not make it. You may want to look into small town U.S.A. where there is no competition. Apparently, from the amount of time you guys spend on this board you could knock off several years off your residency as well. So, what is your beef with periodontists? Are you threatened by them? Are you afraid that they will take up all your implant (dental) cases in the future? Are you mad that they call themselves surgeons? Are you bitter that your residency is 6 years and perio’s is 3 years? Is OMS not what you thought it was? Or does it just make you feel better putting down other dentists? Maybe this should be taken as a compliment. You know what they say criticism is the best form of compliment. So maybe I should be thanking you instead of asking you questions.
Good Luck!

 

[whiteE8]

Great! I love insecure OMS residents. Please contact me before you graduate so that you can set up next to me and drive your referrals away with your arrogance and insecurity. Actually, there are some good OMS in my area so you probably would not make it. You may want to look into small town U.S.A. where there is no competition. Apparently, from the amount of time you guys spend on this board you could knock off several years off your residency as well. So, what is your beef with periodontists? Are you threatened by them? Are you afraid that they will take up all your implant (dental) cases in the future? Are you mad that they call themselves surgeons? Are you bitter that your residency is 6 years and perio’s is 3 years? Is OMS not what you thought it was? Or does it just make you feel better putting down other dentists? Maybe this should be taken as a compliment. You know what they say criticism is the best form of compliment. So maybe I should be thanking you instead of asking you questions.
Good Luck!

👍

 

[archer123]

Great! I love insecure OMS residents. Please contact me before you graduate so that you can set up next to me and drive your referrals away with your arrogance and insecurity. Actually, there are some good OMS in my area so you probably would not make it. You may want to look into small town U.S.A. where there is no competition. Apparently, from the amount of time you guys spend on this board you could knock off several years off your residency as well. So, what is your beef with periodontists? Are you threatened by them? Are you afraid that they will take up all your implant (dental) cases in the future? Are you mad that they call themselves surgeons? Are you bitter that your residency is 6 years and perio’s is 3 years? Is OMS not what you thought it was? Or does it just make you feel better putting down other dentists? Maybe this should be taken as a compliment. You know what they say criticism is the best form of compliment. So maybe I should be thanking you instead of asking you questions.
Good Luck!

I've been accepted to a perio residency. Having said that, OMFS are really the only ones who handle the difficult/emergency cases because they are smart people who are well trained in that area. Both are surgical. Perio confines its area (dentoalveolar) to a much smaller area compared to OMFS (much of the head and neck), and the surgical risks are significantly higher for many of the surigcal treatments that they perform. I believe that most implant cases can be managed by Perio. OMFS can handle them as well, obviously. Aesthetic cases may be better accomplished by perio because they understand the prosthetic/perio relationship better because of their training. Perio can handle some emergency cases, however, OMFS is always the final referral when no one else knows what to do. If I had a fascial space infection I wouldn't want anyone working on me but OMFS. Most Perio training does involve IV Sed training. If my mom was being sedated for something I would feel a lot better having it done by OMFS than anyone else in the dental world because they know what they are doing. If I was getting an implant #9 I would would have it treatment planned with Perio and Pros...placed by perio and restored by pros, not planned, placed or restored by a GP. There is no need for specialties to spread themselves thin by doing things that others can do better. This applies to GP's as well. Do what you are capable of doing, and above all do no harm. I also believe that Pros should not be placing implants. I'd feel comfortable with highly qualified GP's restoring some implants.

 

[drhobie7]

I believe that most implant cases can be managed by Perio.

Does that include cases needing bone augmentation? Not just DFDBA, but lateral ramus grafts and distraction? Sinus lifts too?

Aesthetic cases may be better accomplished by perio because they understand the prosthetic/perio relationship better because of their training.

Can you explain this more?

 

[ajmacgregor]

Hey Perio guys...

How much time do you spend on a general surgical service during your residency?

The 4-year OMFS guys spend AT LEAST 4 months (most around 8)...the 6-year guys AT LEAST a year...

Why is it that every surgical specialty spends some time on general surgery during their residency but perio? Are periodontists just born to be exceptional surgeons who don't need to learn general surgical principles? Do you feel that you are above the measley general surgeons and can learn these principles from reading alone?

If you guys are surgeons, then we all are surgeons. Even a lowly GP like myself. When someone asks me what I do, I think I'll tell them that I am a surgeon.

 

[archer123]

Does that include cases needing bone augmentation? Not just DFDBA, but lateral ramus grafts and distraction? Sinus lifts too?



Can you explain this more?

Perio at my school performs lateral ramus with autogenous and sinus lifts. I don't believe they get much training in Distraction, if any. AT USC they do not use DFDBA, only autogenous. Sinus lifts and distraction are considered by me to be outside of conventional Perio training, however, many programs do provide training in both, including the program they I will be attending. I believe lateral ramus grafts are within the realm of conventional Perio training and it's probably standard at most programs. I'm assuming that blocks are done a lot more by OMFS, and some perio programs probably get it from time to time. They have done it where I am, but haven't seen it with my own eyes. Many periodontists do not perform these surgeries, there are some. I consider these to carry significantly higher surgical risk, hence they are probably performed more by OMFS. Perio is qualified to do lateral ramus grafts without voodoo bone powder. They must do a lot of blocks at USC cause they don't use DFDBA there. There are some periodontists that don't place implants, but only a few. Perio had the least amout of malpractice suits filed until they started placing implants and now they are somewhere in the middle. I can't comment on the other post. All I can tell you is that OMFS probably performs IV Sed. at least 5 times more than Perio and this is a very conservative estimate.....A lot of perio programs require about 20 during the 3 year program. This is the minimum, but the maximum probably is under 40. If most of your patients require a scalpel for their treatment then you are a surgeon. A periodontist is not a plastic surgeon...I think that's pushing it.

 

[GQ1]

I've been accepted to a perio residency. Having said that, OMFS are really the only ones who handle the difficult/emergency cases because they are smart people who are well trained in that area. Both are surgical. Perio confines its area (dentoalveolar) to a much smaller area compared to OMFS (much of the head and neck), and the surgical risks are significantly higher for many of the surigcal treatments that they perform. I believe that most implant cases can be managed by Perio. OMFS can handle them as well, obviously. Aesthetic cases may be better accomplished by perio because they understand the prosthetic/perio relationship better because of their training. Perio can handle some emergency cases, however, OMFS is always the final referral when no one else knows what to do. If I had a fascial space infection I wouldn't want anyone working on me but OMFS. Most Perio training does involve IV Sed training. If my mom was being sedated for something I would feel a lot better having it done by OMFS than anyone else in the dental world because they know what they are doing. If I was getting an implant #9 I would would have it treatment planned with Perio and Pros...placed by perio and restored by pros, not planned, placed or restored by a GP. There is no need for specialties to spread themselves thin by doing things that others can do better. This applies to GP's as well. Do what you are capable of doing, and above all do no harm. I also believe that Pros should not be placing implants. I'd feel comfortable with highly qualified GP's restoring some implants.

You make me laugh. Why do you believe pros should not be placing implants ( it is an accreditation requirement of all programs)? implants were introduced in North America 23 years ago by Zarb a Prosthodontist. at that time Branemark only allowed prosthodontists and oral surgeons to take the courses to allow you to place implants. perio were not deemed qualified. of course this changed when companies wanted to expand their market and the next step has happened with gps now being allowed to place implants like any one else. pros and omfs are secure we re the end of the line. perio do 8 procedures.

scale
place implants
small bone grafting
sinus augmentation
ct grafts
free gingival grafts
pocket elimination
crown lengthening

half are leached form other specialties. pros and omfs are so widespread we even have fellowships at the end of regular training that residents enter. theres too much dentistry to go around. thats why we walk the walk and perio talk the talk. perio does have a role in dentistry but dont delude yourselves. half of those procedures i did in dental school and apart from ct grafts ive done everything else in my residency.

 

[Periogod]

Does that include cases needing bone augmentation? Not just DFDBA, but lateral ramus grafts and distraction? Sinus lifts too?



Can you explain this more?

I don't know about other programs but I do know all of these procedures are performed at UTHSC-SA. Oh, and if you are reading this OMFSCardsFan, the Seahawks kicked ass today!

 

[ajmacgregor]

If most of your patients require a scalpel for their treatment then you are a surgeon.

Thanks for making the clarification. I'll tell my brother, a pathologist, that he's actually a surgeon.

Periodontists certainly try to paint themselves as "plastic surgeons" all the time...

http://www.perio.org

How about some plastic surgery for your smile?

How about some unsubstantiated hubris to go along with that chip on your shoulder?

 

[Mouthjaw]

Thanks for making the clarification. I'll tell my brother, a pathologist, that he's actually a surgeon.

Periodontists certainly try to paint themselves as "plastic surgeons" all the time...

http://www.perio.org

How about some plastic surgery for your smile?

How about some unsubstantiated hubris to go along with that chip on your shoulder?

ajmacgregor-According to my American Heritage College Dictionary a surgeon is defined as “A physician specializing in surgery.” So, this would make no Periodontists and the majority of OMS not surgeons. Does this really matter? When it comes to doing surgical procedures, we tend to generalize and say that Periodontists are better at this one while OMS are better at this one. This is not how we should be looking at things because each person has had different training at different universities at different periods of time with different areas of interests. It is like saying all dentists are excellent at crown and bridges or RPD. As we all know there are some good ones and there are some really bad ones. Same thing is true when it comes to surgical procedures like implants, bone grafting, sinus lifts, soft tissue grafting, ……

 

[archer123]

You make me laugh. Why do you believe pros should not be placing implants ( it is an accreditation requirement of all programs)? implants were introduced in North America 23 years ago by Zarb a Prosthodontist. at that time Branemark only allowed prosthodontists and oral surgeons to take the courses to allow you to place implants. perio were not deemed qualified. of course this changed when companies wanted to expand their market and the next step has happened with gps now being allowed to place implants like any one else. pros and omfs are secure we re the end of the line. perio do 8 procedures.

scale
place implants
small bone grafting
sinus augmentation
ct grafts
free gingival grafts
pocket elimination
crown lengthening

half are leached form other specialties. pros and omfs are so widespread we even have fellowships at the end of regular training that residents enter. theres too much dentistry to go around. thats why we walk the walk and perio talk the talk. perio does have a role in dentistry but dont delude yourselves. half of those procedures i did in dental school and apart from ct grafts ive done everything else in my residency.

In the past maybe it was Pros and OMFS who were the the privilaged few. Today, perio probably get the best training in placing implants. Perio places them during all 3 years of their residencies at many programs. We also read literature on all phases of implants including their restoration. Does OMFS place them in all years of their residency? Pros does place them, but very very few. Maybe 5-10 a year, for accredidation purposes. Once you become an OMFS chief you can watch your attendings place them, after we've been out of school for 1-3 years and have had placed hundreds. I guess perio actually walks the walk. I don't think that Pros is the end of the line for placing implants. I'd rather wear a flipper than have OMFS place #9 and have it look all bulbous and recessed after Pros struggles to fix a botched job. Pros shouldn't be placing them because they don't get much surgical training during their residencies...though if they did they would probably do a great job. I've done half of those things you listed above too....that doesn't make me an expert at it though does it? Bread and butter Oral Surgery: implants, extractions, IV Sed....done that too. You guys fear Perio because of our finesse....fearful of having someone more qualified steal your bread and butter.

 

[ajmacgregor]

In the past maybe it was Pros and OMFS who were the the privilaged few. Today, perio probably get the best training in placing implants. Perio places them during all 3 years of their residencies at many programs. We also read literature on all phases of implants including their restoration. Does OMFS place them in all years of their residency? Pros does place them, but very very few. Maybe 5-10 a year, for accredidation purposes. Once you become an OMFS chief you can watch your attendings place them, after we've been out of school for 1-3 years and have had placed hundreds. I guess perio actually walks the walk. I don't think that Pros is the end of the line for placing implants. I'd rather wear a flipper than have OMFS place #9 and have it look all bulbous and recessed after Pros struggles to fix a botched job. Pros shouldn't be placing them because they don't get much surgical training during their residencies...though if they did they would probably do a great job. I've done half of those things you listed above too....that doesn't make me an expert at it though does it? Bread and butter Oral Surgery: implants, extractions, IV Sed....done that too. You guys fear Perio because of our finesse....fearful of having someone more qualified steal your bread and butter.

1. 4-year OMFS guys place them during all four years of their residency.
2. While 6-year guys may not place them during med school and general surgery, they are developing skills that could easily translate to gingival and implant surgery (read: bone grafting, soft tissue management of regions that people actually see on a daily basis).
3. Are you kidding with the IV Sed comment? Do you honestly believe that you perform IV Sedations better than OMFS residents?

But you're right...I guess perio does it all...Tell me when you guys start doing orthognathic surgery...when do you think that'll be? 10? 15 years?

Perio walking the walk - possibly. Perio talking the talk - always and forever.

 

[northcity]

people who argue about this stupid stuff constantly will never make it in private practice because they are to concerned with what people think, omfs yeah they do it all woo hoo, but 90% dont do anything but 3rds in practice or they would not make as much money, dpending on where you go for school, i know both sides of the coin, perio does way more iv cases than omfs (omfs only required to do 50 cases, perio 75).

1. 4-year OMFS guys place them during all four years of their residency.
2. While 6-year guys may not place them during med school and general surgery, they are developing skills that could easily translate to gingival and implant surgery (read: bone grafting, soft tissue management of regions that people actually see on a daily basis).
3. Are you kidding with the IV Sed comment? Do you honestly believe that you perform IV Sedations better than OMFS residents?

But you're right...I guess perio does it all...Tell me when you guys start doing orthognathic surgery...when do you think that'll be? 10? 15 years?

Perio walking the walk - possibly. Perio talking the talk - always and forever.

 

[northcity]

where i go, much different at other schools

people who argue about this stupid stuff constantly will never make it in private practice because they are to concerned with what people think, omfs yeah they do it all woo hoo, but 90% dont do anything but 3rds in practice or they would not make as much money, dpending on where you go for school, i know both sides of the coin, perio does way more iv cases than omfs (omfs only required to do 50 cases, perio 75).

 

[archer123]

1. 4-year OMFS guys place them during all four years of their residency.
2. While 6-year guys may not place them during med school and general surgery, they are developing skills that could easily translate to gingival and implant surgery (read: bone grafting, soft tissue management of regions that people actually see on a daily basis).
3. Are you kidding with the IV Sed comment? Do you honestly believe that you perform IV Sedations better than OMFS residents?

But you're right...I guess perio does it all...Tell me when you guys start doing orthognathic surgery...when do you think that'll be? 10? 15 years?

Perio walking the walk - possibly. Perio talking the talk - always and forever.

Obviously you didn't read my previous comment about IV Sed. I said that if my mom was getting IV Sed I would feel more comfortable having OMFS do it more than anyone else in the dental field. Of course, I'd go with ENT over OMFS because they are on average, probably smarter people. Are you guys dentists or doctors? Dentists don't want you and real MD's know you are the lowest rung on the ladder. I guess you are both, with the worst qualities of both. ENT and General Surgeons probably laugh at you. Obviosly you guys place implants, but in aesthetic zones you know no one can do it like perio. You're aesthetic crown lengthening cases probably end up lookin' like Bugsbunny. That's all folks!

 

[Periogod]

Obviosly you guys place implants, but in aesthetic zones you know no one can do it like perio. You're aesthetic crown lengthening cases probably end up lookin' like Bugsbunny. That's all folks!

Dude,
You are an ignorant ass. I will say the same thing I always say, the outcome of the surgery has nothing to do with the title behind your name and everything to do with the person holding the scalpel. I am sure every surgery I do looks better than an oral surgeon's but that is not because I will be a periodontist, its because I am me 😎 . Furthermore, OMFSCardsFan can probably do a better crown lengthening than you (regardless of the fact that he has probably done only one in his life) because he has the handskills. Do you think that you are going to handle implants in the "aesthetic zones" better than an OMFS resident simply because you have read more journals on it and can quote Tarnow? Give me a break. If you fall into the trappings of the stereotypes of the two specialties, your work will be $hit and you'll just delude yourself into thinking that an OMFS couldn't have done any better when all along you simply f*ucked up.

And by the way, if you aren't even observant enough to pick up spelling mistakes, what makes you think you can handle the minutia necessary for a successful aesthetic surgery.

"OMFSCardsFan and I are proof OMS and Perio can get along. Each time the Seahawks win he lets his girlfriend have a night with me" 😍

 

[archer123]

Dude,
You are an ignorant ass. I will say the same thing I always say, the outcome of the surgery has nothing to do with the title behind your name and everything to do with the person holding the scalpel. I am sure every surgery I do looks better than an oral surgeon's but that is not because I will be a periodontist, its because I am me 😎 . Furthermore, OMFSCardsFan can probably do a better crown lengthening than you (regardless of the fact that he has probably done only one in his life) because he has the handskills. Do you think that you are going to handle implants in the "aesthetic zones" better than an OMFS resident simply because you have read more journals on it and can quote Tarnow? Give me a break. If you fall into the trappings of the stereotypes of the two specialties, your work will be $hit and you'll just delude yourself into thinking that an OMFS couldn't have done any better when all along you simply f*ucked up.

And by the way, if you aren't even observant enough to pick up spelling mistakes, what makes you think you can handle the minutia necessary for a successful aesthetic surgery.

"OMFSCardsFan and I are proof OMS and Perio can get along. Each time the Seahawks win he lets his girlfriend have a night with me" 😍

Of course the surgeon matters. Perio sees more healthy outpatients...while OMFS sees more hospital dentistry. Perio interacts more with AEGD/GPR/PROS residents during training. Maybe 4 year programs are a lot different than 6. Our 6 year program only will do implants during 2 of the 6 years and really it's the chief who will get the most experience. We average about 150 per resident with 15 sinus lifts. While you guys spend time doing exos and fixing broken jaws, we are doing implants and other perio therapy. While you are doing lots of rotations, we are in the same clinic most of the time. Innate ability and experience are everything in clinical dentistry. We handle better in the aesthetic zone because we probably get more experience doing it. There is no other reason. If OMFS or a GP spent the same amout of time they would be equally as good.

 

[propel]

Did anyone go on an interview at mercy? Does anyone know if they have made their decisions already? Anyone heard anything at all about them? Just curious....and at the same time I am thinking that if I haven't heard anything from them....then I'm probably not in. Sighhhhhhhhh

 

[MMNdentist]

Can anyone tell me in how many states can a person practice after a MS in perio from a USC school but without a DDS degree? This information will be very useful to me as I am a BDS from India and have gotten admission into MS program in perio. I really want to specialize but also hope I can practice later. Heard there are 10 states - can anyone list it for me please. Anyone in the same boat?
Thanks.

 

[shariq]

Dentists don't want you and real MD's know you are the lowest rung on the ladder. I guess you are both, with the worst qualities of both. ENT and General Surgeons probably laugh at you


are you kidding. dude you are the biggest Jacka$$ on the planet if you even believe that.

I am a gpr resident at a level I trauma center, and even the plastic surgeons there say they have a lot of respect for the oral surgeons.

I may not get into oral surgery this year, but believe me I would rather die trying to get into OMS than even consider perio, the biggest dog**** speciality of dentistry. All your procedures have been leached from either oms or pros. You guys have no originality.
And please you guys are NOT surgeons.
And please do not make comments like the one above because you are putting down the entire profession of dentistry.

 

[losingfaith27]

Dentists don't want you and real MD's know you are the lowest rung on the ladder. I guess you are both, with the worst qualities of both. ENT and General Surgeons probably laugh at you


are you kidding. dude you are the biggest Jacka$$ on the planet if you even believe that.

I am a gpr resident at a level I trauma center, and even the plastic surgeons there say they have a lot of respect for the oral surgeons.

I may not get into oral surgery this year, but believe me I would rather die trying to get into OMS than even consider perio, the biggest dog**** speciality of dentistry. All your procedures have been leached from either oms or pros. You guys have no originality.
And please you guys are NOT surgeons.
And please do not make comments like the one above because you are putting down the entire profession of dentistry.

If you think perio is dog**** then you obviously don't know much about perio. You and other omfs seem to think that perio leeches everything. Generalists and prostho refer to perio when they want to know the real prognosis of a tooth or teeth, like for an abutment on #3 when a large prosthesis is being planned. Perio is not just surgical. omfs does have a place and I respect the residency, but very poor attitude. Go out into the community and talk to dentists...when people want a referal for a general dentist or other specialist they often will ask a periodontist because they are respected by their peers. Your attitude will not get you anywhere.

 

[shariq]

If you think perio is dog**** then you obviously don't know much about perio. You and other omfs seem to think that perio leeches everything. Generalists and prostho refer to perio when they want to know the real prognosis of a tooth or teeth, like for an abutment on #3 when a large prosthesis is being planned. Perio is not just surgical. omfs does have a place and I respect the residency, but very poor attitude. Go out into the community and talk to dentists...when people want a referal for a general dentist or other specialist they often will ask a periodontist because they are respected by their peers. Your attitude will not get you anywhere.

perio has leeched. 10 years ago it was saving the tooth no matter what, and now its placing implants. I have nothing against perio or periodontists, but the fact that my post was an outburst to the statement that archer 123 mentioned.

AND MY ATTITUDE HAS GOTTEN ME EVERYWHERE, you dont know me so shut up

 

[ip]

If you think perio is dog**** then you obviously don't know much about perio. You and other omfs seem to think that perio leeches everything. Generalists and prostho refer to perio when they want to know the real prognosis of a tooth or teeth, like for an abutment on #3 when a large prosthesis is being planned. Perio is not just surgical. omfs does have a place and I respect the residency, but very poor attitude. Go out into the community and talk to dentists...when people want a referal for a general dentist or other specialist they often will ask a periodontist because they are respected by their peers. Your attitude will not get you anywhere.

Dude, don't even bother. It's more fun to let these OMFS wannabes and residents go on and on feeling like king ****e and then watching their faces as they enter private practice and wonder why perios get all the nice referals and OMFS gets the cases that no one wants to deal with.

Yes, perio stole implants & grafting. But the reason they stole it is because of guys like on this board who think themselves so high & mighty that referals are tired of them. It's one thing to back it up with skills but everyone knows that perio gets the case if esthetics is a factor.

It's so sweet to read OMFS guys here write that scarring isn't an issue because "gingiva heals pink". 👍

 

[north2southOMFS]

............ "gingiva heals pink". 👍

What color do you think it heals? Yellow?

 

[ip]

What color do you think it heals? Yellow?

that scarring isn't an issue because "gingiva heals pink"

 

[losingfaith27]

perio has leeched. 10 years ago it was saving the tooth no matter what, and now its placing implants. I have nothing against perio or periodontists, but the fact that my post was an outburst to the statement that archer 123 mentioned.

AND MY ATTITUDE HAS GOTTEN ME EVERYWHERE, you dont know me so shut up

You have nothing against perio, but you say it's a "dog**** specialty". Perio had their own thread going and you guys come talkin' smack. You don't see perio steamrollin' os threads because we don't care. Fine, you guys do it all. So what. You are the best, but all you do is trash talk a lot of ****. All the negative outbursts about os are probably because you guys have too much free time on your hands trashing someone elses specialty, how unoriginal it is and how it's not even surgical. Everyone is so hung up on what surgical dentistry is or isn't. If something is more or less surgical is that a bad thing? Lighten up dude.

 

[omfsres]

I wish I was a periodontist. My hand skills are lacking and I just can't hack it as an oral surgeon.