Dartmouth is a solid program with a great culture, but as someone who did undergrad in Hanover, I'd guess that the range of pathology would be limited to what runs in New Hampshire and Vermont.
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Dartmouth is a solid program with a great culture, but as someone who did undergrad in Hanover, I'd guess that the range of pathology would be limited to what runs in New Hampshire and Vermont.
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Can anyone help me out to decide between the two for probably hospitalist/general med, not ruling out the possibility of fellowship. Wasn't a huge fan of anywhere else I interviewed, love the upper midwest, but having a hard time knowing which to pick...
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A lot of similarities, both are very nice. I've got them about dead even, neck and neck in my book for most things. Hard to say which is better. Even trying to choose based on location is tough since Madison is such a nice college town.
Tough decision. You're gunna have to go with your gut.
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If you like Rochester for greater patient diversity, I'd hear that argument. I'm not hatin' on Rochester by any stretch though, just so we're clear. Ran into a super cool chick form there on the fellowship interview trail this last spring and she thought the training was great, had generally good things to say, and no real complaints outside of "the usual" (long working hours, but that's residency).
Nice list.
I'd guess that NYU, JHU-bayview, and Yale PC would all be able to set you up for a hem/onc fellowship well. NYU has rotates through MSK, which is definitely something to consider. Heard lots of good stuff about Colorado too, but I never interviewed there. I'd pick between those programs.
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First of all, Merry Xmas, everyone!!! Hope everyone is having a great time!
I am applying for IM and wondering what you guys think of the following programs. I know, i know, I don't have the luxury of applying to top tier programs, and I am geographically restricted to NY area. (I am such an idiot, only applied 20 programs). So what I get is what I have. How would you guys rank the following programs:
Winthrop Hosp
Queens Hospital Center
Maimonides
NY Hospital Queens
NY methodist
NUMC
Coney Island Hospital
Northshore Forest Hills Hosp
Brookdale Hosp
Flushing Hosp
Should I take prematch offer from NY methodist, Coney Island, Flushing, NUMC? or should I go through the match?
I am applying for IM and wondering what you guys think of the following programs. I know, i know, I don't have the luxury of applying to top tier programs, and I am geographically restricted to NY area. (I am such an idiot, only applied 20 programs). So what I get is what I have. How would you guys rank the following programs:
Winthrop Hosp
Queens Hospital Center
Maimonides
NY Hospital Queens
NY methodist
NUMC
Coney Island Hospital
Northshore Forest Hills Hosp
Brookdale Hosp
Flushing Hosp
Should I take prematch offer from NY methodist, Coney Island, Flushing, NUMC? or should I go through the match?
Sorry, never heard about any of those hospitals except Maimonides. Are you an IMG or DO? You might find more info about those programs in other IMG forums. Good luck.
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First...I merged your post into the appropriate "help me rank" megathread.
Second...Flushing or NUMC, whichever place you liked better. I wouldn't accept a free lunch from NYMH, CIH or Brookdale, let alone a residency spot.
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San Antonio is probably pretty even with A&M, you could argue San Antonio has a little better academic rep but not by that much. I've always kind of liked A&M - ranked them 2nd for IM and thought they had a solid pulmonary/cc program. BUT if you need a bigger city then San Antionio. Given your parameters I'd probably go with something like . . .
A&M
San Antone
Utmb
Gainesville
USF
Gainesville is also a nice program and if you didn't want to stay in Texas, I'd entertain top of the list position for them as I see them fairly on par with A&M and SA
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I am having a tough time sorting out this list and would appreciate any input. I am sure I will be happy at any of these places. I am not restricted geographically and I am thinking of pursuing a fellowship in pulm/critical care. Thanks!
BIDMC
Vanderbilt
Mayo Clinic (Rochester)
U of Washington
Wash U
Stanford
U of Colorado
Cornell
U of Michigan
U of Pittsburgh
Boston University
Case Western
BIDMC
Vanderbilt
Mayo Clinic (Rochester)
U of Washington
Wash U
Stanford
U of Colorado
Cornell
U of Michigan
U of Pittsburgh
Boston University
Case Western
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All solid programs...some "better" than others but no dogs there. If Pulm is your goal, then Pitt, UW, Vandy and Colorado (in no particular order) should be at the top of your list. Rank the rest based on your gut feel and put BU and Case @ the bottom.
I expect jdh71 to be by shortly to correct me if I'm wrong about the Pulm side of things.
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How would you rank these programs? I'm interested in Hematology-Oncology, I want to go to a good program, and location in a large/fun city is VERY important to me:
Loyola University (Chicago)
UC Irvine
Rush University
UCLA-Olive View
Boston University
UT Houston
Univ of Maryland
Albert Einstein (Montefiore)
Univ of Southern California
Medical College of Wisconsin
Univ of Miami
Loyola University (Chicago)
UC Irvine
Rush University
UCLA-Olive View
Boston University
UT Houston
Univ of Maryland
Albert Einstein (Montefiore)
Univ of Southern California
Medical College of Wisconsin
Univ of Miami
Wondering about my rank list in order of prestige, fellowship chances, etc. I'm not sure what I want to go into but thinking either Cardiology or H/O. Cheers.
Michigan (I feel this is #1, but I don't think I'll get in, so need help on rest)
Emory
UTSW
UVA
Baylor
UPitt
Boston
Def can't figure out #2-#6
Michigan (I feel this is #1, but I don't think I'll get in, so need help on rest)
Emory
UTSW
UVA
Baylor
UPitt
Boston
Def can't figure out #2-#6
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Just so you don't post this yet again....
I'd swap Pitt and Emory and otherwise leave your list as it is (maybe put Emory above Baylor but thats a judgement call...I wouldn't live in Houston or Atlanta so I'd leave both off the list personally).
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Have to generally agree with gutonc, solid list . . . sooo . . . Colarado is generally considered the top pulmonary location with National Jewish in Denver, but much like the Cleaveland Clinic and cards, simply being a resident there in no way necessarily helps you land a spot there. They take the best from the candidates list, simple as that. The same can be said of Pittburgh where the gods of critical care live. Though . . . you would probably have access to some of the top researchers if you were agressive enough to find them out at either program. Wash U is notable for their pulmonary as is Mayo. Stanford is another amazing place for critical care. A nice balance would of both worlds would be Vandy, University of Washington, and Michigan.
When I mention one place being especially strong in one, it by no means they are "weak" by any stretch of the imagination in the other. It's pretty hard to go wrong with literally any of them, really, and ranking for IM, wanting to go into pulm/cc is a bit different than ranking for pulmonary/cc fellowship . . . with all that said, I'd probably put them something like this . . .
At the top how you like them:
U-Dub
Vandy
Wash U
Michigan
Stanford
Mayo
The rest as you like them, though agree with BU and Case at the bottom, which is NOT to say that BU or Case are bad programs . . . you've simply got a nice list
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Probably toss USC, Loyola, and Montefiore at the top - decide whether you like Chicago (though Loyola is more in the 'burbs), NY, or LA better. Though, I think USC more than likely has the better h/o program of the three.
The rest as you like them really. Probably Maryland and BU towards the top of the next batch.
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Simply by going for "prestige" then I think I might go 2-6 like (and thereby again demonstrating the subjective nature of these exercises) . . .
UTSW
Emory
Pitt
Baylor
UVA
Boston
Don't forget to factor in where you like though. There's more than prestige.
What is your opinion of these schools?
Mount Sinai
Albert Einstein Montefiore
Univ Maryland
U Illinois Chicago
Loyola
Yale Primary Care
Jefferson
Robert Wood Johnson
Hofstra NS-LIJ
Univ Wisconsin Madison
Case Western
University of Rochester
Univ Indiana Indianapolis
U Mass
Am considering not even ranking Mount Sinai...did not feel like it would be a good fit for me.
Mount Sinai
Albert Einstein Montefiore
Univ Maryland
U Illinois Chicago
Loyola
Yale Primary Care
Jefferson
Robert Wood Johnson
Hofstra NS-LIJ
Univ Wisconsin Madison
Case Western
University of Rochester
Univ Indiana Indianapolis
U Mass
Am considering not even ranking Mount Sinai...did not feel like it would be a good fit for me.
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If you are genuinely interested in Pulm Crit Care, I would rank Pitt over Stanford and Mayo, just because of the exposure you would get and available mentors. Having said that, most people would rather live in Palo Alto than Pittsburgh.
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I would again refer people to the Cleveland Clinic Cards analogy. Ranking IM to get into Pulm/CC is not the same as ranking Pulm/CC fellowship programs
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I think this is a really pretty decent list.
I think Wisconsin is the top program on that list, followed by Yale, Maryland, and Indiana. I've also always really liked Loyola as a nice program. And we've got a lot of Rochester fans around here these days. So if it was me, and it's not . . .
Wisconsin
Yale
Maryland
Indiana
Loyola
Rochester
then the rest as you like
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I know the places I really liked, but I'm sort of confused about the middle of my list. Looking to stay in the NYC/ philly/ NJ area. How would you rank these middle of the list guys?
Montefiore
NYU
Mount Sinai
UMDNJ-RWJ
Jefferson
Einstein Beth Israel
Thanks
Montefiore
NYU
Mount Sinai
UMDNJ-RWJ
Jefferson
Einstein Beth Israel
Thanks
Agree with above. 😀
Would throw in BIDMC and Cornell too, but all those programs are uniformly strong. Some may say X is better than Y, or yada, yada, but they are all so similar that I don't think you're gonna go wrong by just following your gut or picking by location.
Sounds obvious, huh?
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I think how JDH sees Wisconsin is probably how I see Rochester, and both of our views probably reflect our regional biases or regional knowledge, depending how you look at it.
Anyway, knowing nothing about Wisconsin, I'd go Yale PC, Rochester, Maryland, and need to be really impressed by the others on interview day to move them higher.
But what does a guy from the northeast know? 😀
I liked Sinai a lot, and I'd have it highest. NYU has an awesome location and an enthusiastic PD. I'd probably put Jeff above Monte, but I never interviewed at Monte. No idea on the rest.
Btw, if this is truly the middle of your list, the odds are that ranking this part is purely academic.
any input on how you guys would order these programs? appreciate any input thanks.
Rush
Univ. of Illinois at Chicago
Northshore Univ. (U of Chicago)
Cook County
Boston Univ.
Thomas Jefferson
Temple
Allegheny
Virginia Commonwealth
Carolinas Medical Center
Rush
Univ. of Illinois at Chicago
Northshore Univ. (U of Chicago)
Cook County
Boston Univ.
Thomas Jefferson
Temple
Allegheny
Virginia Commonwealth
Carolinas Medical Center
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Personally I'd rank them like this:
MSSM (this was my actual #2 program...loved this place)
RWJ
NYU
Monte
Jeff
BI
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I'd tier them as follows:
MSSM
Madison
Yale PC
IU
RWJ
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Albert Einstein Montefiore
Rochester
Univ Maryland
UMass
Case
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U Illinois Chicago
Jeff
Loyola
NSLIJ
Within each tier there's enough geographic variation to rank based on that alone.
Sinai > Yale PC > Monte=Wisconsin=Rochester > RWJ=NSLIJ=Jeff in terms of reputation. If you didn't like Sinai definitely don't rank it, but it's clearly the strongest program on your list (not that I'm biased or anything 🙂)
Agreed with this except RWJ. NYU and Monte are stronger programs (both in training and fellowship match)
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Agreed, but I hated both of those places and really liked RWJ. Hence the "personally" in my post.
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Actually MSSM = Wisconsin. But if you didn't interview at both, that wouldn't be obvious.
East coast bias I guess.
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I was wondering what the consensus is why Mayo IM is not more popular among the top tier ranks? In most posts I've seen in this and other threads it is usually near the second tier. Any comments?
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Thank you.
I'm actually kind of glad Wisconsin is a dark horse to the NE boys (and yes there actually is something going on between the NE and LA in this country). Every med student I've sent to Wisconsin to interview has come back with that program in their top three. I'd hate to muddy the waters with some snobby dandy yankees 😉
Location, location, location!
It doesn't matter if you are a coastal resident and love your giant cities, or are Widwestern and like your more liveable areas. No matter where you are from in the country, Rochester Minnesota hardly beckons a young 20-something. A city of 100,000 that has Minneapolis a whopping 2 hours away, and that is your only major urban center....eek!
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It's Rochester MN my friend.
I usually toss "the world famous" in with the top 20 programs, they are easily a top 5-10 training site for all subspecialties.
I think it takes the dog in the shorts a little because of it's location. Which for a guy like me who grew up in a small town in the plain states isn't such a big deal, but if you need a lot "urban" around you (perhaps do not like the sight of cows?) then you may not want to live in Rochester for 3 or more years, especially as cold as it gets there (plug in your car so it starts in the morning cold). Though . . . Mayo is an amazing place and if you interview there it is hard not to kind of fall in love with the Clinic.
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I'd probably toss them in like this . . .
VCU and BU at the top
Rush, UIC next how you like them
Temple and TJ next
The rest as you like them . . . though Cook County last would be my preference. It's ironic sometimes that the best places to train for ER are often the worst for IM.
VERY familiar w/: RWJ, yale, UMD, monte
Familiar w/ MSSM, jeff, loyola
1. Mount Sinai ( best rep...but dont go there if you dont like it, that might be a bigger mistake)
2 Yale PC
3 Rochester
4 Monte
5 UMD
6 Jeff
7 UIC
8 Loyola
9 RWJ
10 NSLIJ
Not familiar w/: Madison, IU, umass case (insert where u like)
Glad this thread is still going strong. Thanks to gutonc and others for their perspectives on my list earlier in the thread (page 1). I'm starting to make general groupings for programs I plan to rank, though I still need to settle on ordering #1-3 in particular. Have started to get really nice-sounding messages from some PDs at programs I like, though I'm trying to ignore these when making a list.
UCSF=MGH=BWH
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Columbia
Cornell (much better than I expected)
BIDMC (much better than I expected)
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UPenn
JHH-Osler (really turned me off)
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Sinai
Yale
NYU
UCSF=MGH=BWH
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Columbia
Cornell (much better than I expected)
BIDMC (much better than I expected)
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UPenn
JHH-Osler (really turned me off)
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Sinai
Yale
NYU
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dude, seriously? pick whichever one out of 1-3 you got the best feeling from. like you no doubt wanted to hear, they are all good. i doubt you'll struggle for a heme-onc fellowship from any of them. 😴👎rolleyes:
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I know haters gunna hate and all . . . but you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to feel your pain
I've always thought UCSF had such a mystique about it . . . I know they'd be top of any list I had for very subjective reasons probably, but then I didn't interview there and didn't get a feel for it. I think I would have put up with San Francisco in a heart beat for three years there.
Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.
Agreed they're all good and certainly don't want/expect any guidance on splitting hairs between MGH/BWH/UCSF/whatever. However, was more curious if anyone had strong opinions on other parts of the list (e.g. is gut reaction sufficient reason to rank Cornell/BIDMC above Penn/Osler).
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Interested in GI
have my top two in place, but wondering about the following:
Montefiore
SUNY-Downstate
Yale-Primary Care (really liked this program)
USC-Keck (this program seemed huge 50something interns)
have my top two in place, but wondering about the following:
Montefiore
SUNY-Downstate
Yale-Primary Care (really liked this program)
USC-Keck (this program seemed huge 50something interns)
I know haters gunna hate and all . . . but you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to feel your pain
I've always thought UCSF had such a mystique about it . . . I know they'd be top of any list I had for very subjective reasons probably, but then I didn't interview there and didn't get a feel for it. I think I would have put up with San Francisco in a heart beat for three years there.
Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.
Thanks. I thought UCSF was fantastic, despite my Yankee heart. On the other hand, wouldn't even rank LA programs.
Definitely can't comment on USC, but personally would take Yale over Montefiore or Downstate. Yale's program leadership is outstanding and seems to do well in connecting students with mentors in their areas of interest.
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MSSM (mount sinai) is going through a transition. MSSM's pd just became chairman so the program might go through a rough spot the next couple of years. Not sure when they will get a new pd.
