PCOM (Philadelphia) Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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Small envelope!! I was very nervous when I saw it, since I thought acceptances came in the full-size envelope!

Did they do the "YES!" thing on the top of the page?
Also, for us the acceptance came along with some other forms, so the envelope was thicker than a normal letter.

Congrats! Hope to see you guys next year. It really is a great school! 👍👍
 
Did they do the "YES!" thing on the top of the page?
Also, for us the acceptance came along with some other forms, so the envelope was thicker than a normal letter.

It did not have the "YES!", but it still was a thicker envelope. I could tell it was an acceptance before I opened it ( I assumed a rejection would not require extra paperwork) haha
 
I don't know if there are any interviews today, but if there are, I encourage all of you to stay for a little longer. Why? Annual M1 v M2 tackle football game.
 
Accepted! Now excuse me while i go cry tears of joy.
 
ACCEPTED!!! Wow...my first medical school acceptance. Good luck to everyone else!!
 
Congrats museic!

My stats are 3.37/3.17/24Q so hopefully I'll get an interview invite soon =]

I was completed on Sept 19. When were you completed?
 
Congrats museic!

My stats are 3.37/3.17/24Q so hopefully I'll get an interview invite soon =]

I was completed on Sept 19. When were you completed?


Thanks!

I was complete after I recieved an interview...I thought it was odd but I had my papers turned around in a few days and and was in the very first group. Not to sure how they do things but thats my story.
 
Does anyone know where to mail the tuition deposit. I know it's the 4170 city ave address but is office of admissions or should the letter go somewhere else. It didn't say in the letter
 
woo hoo! congrats on all the acceptances :highfive: my boyfriend was just accepted today as well!! 😍
 
I know four people granted interviews who had sections less than 8--they had their interviews and their 'decision' letters stated they would wait to make a decision until another MCAT was taken.

These 4 people aren't representative of ALL of PCOM's decisions. Don't feel discouraged if any of you have less than 8 on one of your sections. My boyfriend is proof that PCOM doesn't look only at stats to make their decisions. But if you guys did your research on PCOM's values, you would already know that, right?!

Good luck everyone! :luck:
 
These 4 people aren't representative of ALL of PCOM's decisions. Don't feel discouraged if any of you have less than 8 on one of your sections. My boyfriend is proof that PCOM doesn't look only at stats to make their decisions. But if you guys did your research on PCOM's values, you would already know that, right?!

Good luck everyone! :luck:

I wasn't trying to imply that they were; rather, I was just trying to say it is a definite possibility that they ask to retake it--if they do, it'll definitely catch someone off-guard.

Congratulations on your BF's acceptance.
 
Originally Posted by EvryDayImHustln
cGPA: 3.38, sGPA: 3.22, 28M (11BS, 7PS, 10VR), OOS

Just letting you know, PCOM is notorious for wanting an 8 minimum on every section.

Also, on interview day:

P-C-O-M not PCOM

Clearly you were implying that those 4 people meant that "PCOM is notorious for wanting an 8 minimum on every section". LOL!!!!! Silly of you! 😀
 
If you talk to or call admissions, they HIGHLY encourage 8's in every section. That being said, they seem to be more lenient very early on in the interview season. I was one individual that was accepted with a 7 in PS. There was also a student accepted in the Class of 2015 with a 22. After being at PCOM and having the opportunity to get to know admissions, I agree with Tall Scrubs. Those of us with lower MCAT scores and less than 8's in each section are outliers.

If you want to be competitive for PCOM, aim for at least 8's in each section, especially if you are OOS. However, if you don't have this, it does not immediately count you out, but chances decrease as the season goes on.

That's just being realistic. PCOM was my top choice though, so I make a huge effort to contact head of admissions, send in updated letters of interest, etc. And Mary is right, they are an amazing admissions committee, in that they look at everything else in your application very heavily and are very passionate about finding students that fit the school.
 
Is this time still considered to be early in the cycle?
 
Got the interview invite last week 🙂 This is my 2nd year applying and I just recently re-took my MCAT. Anyone else there for october 19th?
 
If you talk to or call admissions, they HIGHLY encourage 8's in every section. That being said, they seem to be more lenient very early on in the interview season. I was one individual that was accepted with a 7 in PS. There was also a student accepted in the Class of 2015 with a 22. After being at PCOM and having the opportunity to get to know admissions, I agree with Tall Scrubs. Those of us with lower MCAT scores and less than 8's in each section are outliers.

If you want to be competitive for PCOM, aim for at least 8's in each section, especially if you are OOS. However, if you don't have this, it does not immediately count you out, but chances decrease as the season goes on.

That's just being realistic. PCOM was my top choice though, so I make a huge effort to contact head of admissions, send in updated letters of interest, etc. And Mary is right, they are an amazing admissions committee, in that they look at everything else in your application very heavily and are very passionate about finding students that fit the school.

Most medical schools will give a recommendation for MCAT/GPA on their website or application. It serves as a warning to hold the candidate accountable before they submit their application fee. That recommendation is not an official minimum.

Many people assume that medical schools are more "lenient" with candidates early in the season. This is not the case. Towards the end of the season, it is more competitive solely because there are fewer seats left. This does not mean that suddenly candidates are only considered based on their MCAT score. Nor does this mean that earlier in the season, those seats were filled by less qualified applicants who just submitted their application early. Medical schools are never going to be "lenient" about who they will train to take care of other human lives. If having a 7 on one section of the MCAT was a significant problem, no one with a sub-8 score would be accepted. ever.

On another note, if having an 8 on each section was very important, candidates with a sub-8 section absolutely would not be accepted early in the season when schools still have thousands of applications to sort through and hundreds of candidates to left to interview. With thousands of applicants, if they really wanted a minimum of "8", they would not invite candidates with a sub-8 score to interview in the first place.

As the average MCAT score for PCOM falls at 27, there are fewer people with scores below 27, just as there are fewer with scores above 27. Furthermore, as a med student myself, I am pretty sure that none of the current students at PCOM sitting here on SDN can really lecture applicants about what score they should have on the MCAT, as I can attest to the fact that no one talks about what they got on the MCAT anymore once they are in med school working in better things.

Each application (at most medical schools in general-MD or DO) is considered as a whole, and the MCAT (especially a single section of the MCAT) is just a single small entity of an application. If you are interested in a school, apply. The decisions that admissions committees make are based on SO many things other than stats. Don't let anyone discourage you.
 
but they do take the best subscores from each mcat attempt, correct?
 
Was anyone interviewed/accepted without the D.O. letter? If so did the issue come up at any point during the interview? I submitted an M.D. because it discussed my interest in primary care. I tried cold-contacting several D.O.'s locally, but no such luck. I suspect it probably is a combination of a liability issue allowing a complete stranger into their office and also that they get many requests for shadowing(the MD I shadowed made it seem like he gets many requests, almost excessive, I don't know if thats the norm or maybe because there are many colleges in the area so there are many students looking to shadow). I hope they would not hold a lack of a DO letter to strongly against an applicant as long as they were still able to explain/demonstrate there interest in becoming an Osteopathic physician.
 
Accepted!!

3.2 s, 3.3 ns, 28 MCAT (with a 7 on PS).

Out of state (2,500 miles from PCOM)

+ Institutional action
 
most medical schools will give a recommendation for mcat/gpa on their website or application. It serves as a warning to hold the candidate accountable before they submit their application fee. That recommendation is not an official minimum.

Many people assume that medical schools are more "lenient" with candidates early in the season. This is not the case. Towards the end of the season, it is more competitive solely because there are fewer seats left. This does not mean that suddenly candidates are only considered based on their mcat score. Nor does this mean that earlier in the season, those seats were filled by less qualified applicants who just submitted their application early. Medical schools are never going to be "lenient" about who they will train to take care of other human lives. If having a 7 on one section of the mcat was a significant problem, no one with a sub-8 score would be accepted. Ever.

On another note, if having an 8 on each section was very important, candidates with a sub-8 section absolutely would not be accepted early in the season when schools still have thousands of applications to sort through and hundreds of candidates to left to interview. With thousands of applicants, if they really wanted a minimum of "8", they would not invite candidates with a sub-8 score to interview in the first place.

As the average mcat score for pcom falls at 27, there are fewer people with scores below 27, just as there are fewer with scores above 27. Furthermore, as a med student myself, i am pretty sure that none of the current students at pcom sitting here on sdn can really lecture applicants about what score they should have on the mcat, as i can attest to the fact that no one talks about what they got on the mcat anymore once they are in med school working in better things.

Each application (at most medical schools in general-md or do) is considered as a whole, and the mcat (especially a single section of the mcat) is just a single small entity of an application. If you are interested in a school, apply. The decisions that admissions committees make are based on so many things other than stats. Don't let anyone discourage you.

+ 1,000,000
 
What percentage of PCOM's med students are OOS? I heard only 20%? Even though I'm super grateful to have been accepted to other schools, I really would have liked to interview here! I got an e-mail saying they received my supplemental on 9/6 but haven't heard anything at all since then...

CONGRATS to all those who were accepted!!!
 
Was anyone interviewed/accepted without the D.O. letter? If so did the issue come up at any point during the interview? I submitted an M.D. because it discussed my interest in primary care. I tried cold-contacting several D.O.'s locally, but no such luck. I suspect it probably is a combination of a liability issue allowing a complete stranger into their office and also that they get many requests for shadowing(the MD I shadowed made it seem like he gets many requests, almost excessive, I don't know if thats the norm or maybe because there are many colleges in the area so there are many students looking to shadow). I hope they would not hold a lack of a DO letter to strongly against an applicant as long as they were still able to explain/demonstrate there interest in becoming an Osteopathic physician.

Hey I did not have a letter from a DO or an MD. I work as a nurse's aide and just had the head of my unit right a letter (she was a nurse and hadn't worked with me directly but knew me from whenever I'd stop by and talk). I was worried that DO schools might question that. I got an interview from PCOM and was accepted so I don't think it matters as long as you show your interest and have a reason why. Mine was basically the same as yours, I tried a dozen or more DO physicians off the AOA's website in my area and had no luck. I found a DO to shadow after being accepted and went but didn't really need to. That being said, I still haven't heard back from other DO schools. I think part of the reason is that some of them have an in-state preference according to my knowledge (like Ohio and West Virginia). But PCOM was my top choice anyhow so it doesn't matter now. I hope that helped.
 
Hey I did not have a letter from a DO or an MD. I work as a nurse's aide and just had the head of my unit right a letter (she was a nurse and hadn't worked with me directly but knew me from whenever I'd stop by and talk). I was worried that DO schools might question that. I got an interview from PCOM and was accepted so I don't think it matters as long as you show your interest and have a reason why. Mine was basically the same as yours, I tried a dozen or more DO physicians off the AOA's website in my area and had no luck. I found a DO to shadow after being accepted and went but didn't really need to. That being said, I still haven't heard back from other DO schools. I think part of the reason is that some of them have an in-state preference according to my knowledge (like Ohio and West Virginia). But PCOM was my top choice anyhow so it doesn't matter now. I hope that helped.
Well then there is proof. Good to know. Thanks!
 
so apparently I was given wrong info. I though PCOM takes the best subscores from each MCAT attempt but they take the best overall composite score. can anyone confirm me on this?
 
Was anyone interviewed/accepted without the D.O. letter? If so did the issue come up at any point during the interview? I submitted an M.D. because it discussed my interest in primary care. I tried cold-contacting several D.O.'s locally, but no such luck. I suspect it probably is a combination of a liability issue allowing a complete stranger into their office and also that they get many requests for shadowing(the MD I shadowed made it seem like he gets many requests, almost excessive, I don't know if thats the norm or maybe because there are many colleges in the area so there are many students looking to shadow). I hope they would not hold a lack of a DO letter to strongly against an applicant as long as they were still able to explain/demonstrate there interest in becoming an Osteopathic physician.

I also did NOT have a DO letter. In fact, I had 2 MD letters. I had interviews at PCOM and UMDNJ-SOM and me not having a DO letter never came up at both interviews. However, I did shadow a DO and this was asked during my PCOM interview. As long as you LORs are strong and if you can effectively express your interest in osteopathic medicine, having a DO letter should not break you...especially for PCOM because they dont require a DO letter. However, I do recommend you shadow a DO ASAP. I wouldn't want your interviewers to hold this against you.
 
Hey guys,

just got the call to interview this morning!

Anyone else interviewing on Wednesday?
 
What percentage of PCOM's med students are OOS? I heard only 20%? Even though I'm super grateful to have been accepted to other schools, I really would have liked to interview here! I got an e-mail saying they received my supplemental on 9/6 but haven't heard anything at all since then...

CONGRATS to all those who were accepted!!!

If I remember correctly around 1/3 of the students are OOS.
 

With all due respect, I don't really understand the time being wasted on the 8's per section, as the question was answered many times. PCOM Admissions will tell you and the website clearly states that 8's are very much encouraged, and since encouraged does not equal required, there is no definitive cut off like other programs may have. Period.

And perhaps leniency was not the correct term? But there is no denying how rolling admissions works. If you are less competitive, you have a greater chance of being accepted early on, because N is smaller. Students have been denied admission whether they have a 36 or a 24 MCAT later on in the cycle, at least here at PCOM. If you have a lower score, you most likely have a better chance applying early before the application pool starts rising.

And it is a little foolish to assume students at PCOM want to "lecture" applicants on the MCAT score they should receive. MCAT does not matter once you are in medical school (well...unless you count the fact that it goes on some of the Residency Applications, which I am still not concerned about), but MCAT does matter when trying to gain an interview, otherwise you would not take it.

Are MCAT scores the make it or break it? No. Do they count? Yes. So my advice is, to apply early regardless of the score. PCOM does look at the application as a whole, and are honestly interested in you as a person, not as a number, however, they also receive over 6,500 applications per year.

And no one here, especially someone who had a lower MCAT score and was accepted, wants to discourage the applicants from applying. Our program is amazing. But for those of you who want realistic facts and advice, there it is. Plenty of us fall below the average, because that's how statistics work, so never count yourself out.

And for the individual asking about retaking the MCAT and which scores they take, PCOM takes the highest overall test score, and does not take the highest section from each score.
 
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any class of 2016 facebook or social network thingy? lol

o and just to add some gas i had 8's across the board
 
Does anyone know where to mail the tuition deposit. I know it's the 4170 city ave address but is office of admissions or should the letter go somewhere else. It didn't say in the letter

I just mailed my check to the office of admissions. I did specify on the check that it was for "tuition prepayment" so I'm assuming it will end up in the right place!

any class of 2016 facebook or social network thingy? lol

o and just to add some gas i had 8's across the board

I was thinking the same thing about the facebook group. Go ahead and get it started haha!
 
With all due respect, I don't really understand the time being wasted on the 8's per section, as the question was answered many times. PCOM Admissions will tell you and the website clearly states that 8's are very much encouraged, and since encouraged does not equal required, there is no definitive cut off like other programs may have. Period.

And perhaps leniency was not the correct term? But there is no denying how rolling admissions works. If you are less competitive, you have a greater chance of being accepted early on, because N is smaller. Students have been denied admission whether they have a 36 or a 24 MCAT later on in the cycle, at least here at PCOM. If you have a lower score, you most likely have a better chance applying early before the application pool starts rising.

And it is a little foolish to assume students at PCOM want to "lecture" applicants on the MCAT score they should receive. MCAT does not matter once you are in medical school (well...unless you count the fact that it goes on the Residency Application, which I am still not concerned about), but MCAT does matter when trying to gain an interview, otherwise you would not take it.

Are MCAT scores the make it or break it? No. Do they count? Yes. So my advice is, to apply early regardless of the score. PCOM does look at the application as a whole, and are honestly interested in you as a person, not as a number, however, they also receive over 6,500 applications per year.

And no one here, especially someone who had a lower MCAT score and was accepted, wants to discourage the applicants from applying. Our program is amazing. But for those of you who want realistic facts and advice, there it is. Plenty of us fall below the average, because that's how statistics work, so never count yourself out.

And for the individual asking about retaking the MCAT and which scores they take, PCOM takes the highest overall test score, and does not take the highest section from each score.

This. I wasn't attempting to discourage anyone. I love PCOM and I want others to have the same experience. PCOM DOES favor having at least 8s in each section; however, they are also NOTORIOUS for looking at more than just stats. It does make sense if you think about it.
 
I just submitted my secondary. gah.
28O, 9/10/9.
sGPA = 3.52, cGPA = 3.55.
What is the estimated response time for interviews?
 
for those of you that sent in the secondaries and/or was invited for an interview did you guys get an email stating you were complete or just the email stating this: Acknowledgment: Receipt of PCOM Supplemental - DO Philadelphia Campus.

Because I got this email about a month ago and I haven't heard anything from them yet and when I called, the lady was pretty rude and said "you're status is whatever email you received". wtf does that mean!?!?!?!?
 
What do you guys think? I'm in state 3.5sgpa 3.51 cgpa PS-6 VR-6 BS-8 tons of research, volunteering/shadowing and other excellent extra circulars. PCOM is my #1 choice, I've always wanted to go to PCOM (even when I was in Middle School). I already have an acceptance to VCOM. Do you think my MCAT is much too low for PCOM? I plan on retaking the mcat in January but still want to see how competitive I am as of right now. Thanks!!!!!!!
 
Hey folks, still waiting to hear from PCOM since early September, but in the meantime thought you might appreciate this. It's a blog by a current PCOM student. Interesting stuff, check it out if you want to distract yourself from refreshing your status screens on various school websites.

http://littlewhitecoats.blogspot.com/

Good luck all!
 
What do you guys think? I'm in state 3.5sgpa 3.51 cgpa PS-6 VR-6 BS-8 tons of research, volunteering/shadowing and other excellent extra circulars. PCOM is my #1 choice, I've always wanted to go to PCOM (even when I was in Middle School). I already have an acceptance to VCOM. Do you think my MCAT is much too low for PCOM? I plan on retaking the mcat in January but still want to see how competitive I am as of right now. Thanks!!!!!!!

Apply now!
 
Thanks for the reply!

If I apply now but note that I am going to re-take my MCAT in January, will they wait to make a decision? If its possible, do you think they would be ok with the 20 that I already have? I'm sort of caught in a pickle where I can apply somewhat early (right now) with my 20 MCAT or have them wait til very late in the cycle for my January score (which WILL be higher, but then again you never know).
 
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