PharmCAS Questions

[Passion4Sci]

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Question.... I'm trying to put in my courses. However, what exactly do they mean by "credit hours." Is that just the normal credit - ie. a normal science class is usually 3 or 4 credits. At my undergraduate school, we had these things called "units" which were basically how many hours the class was supposed to take - so 9 or 12 units usually (our rule was divide by 3 to get the number of credits).

Sooo... which is it? Thanks!

"Credit" = "Unit"

It just depends on what school you go to.

A "4 unit class" is a 4 credit hour class, meaning that the student should receive 4 hours of guided instruction per week. That's why, at my school anyway, a 5 unit class is MTWRF, 5 credit hours of instruction.

HTH.

 

[busyizzy]

"Credit" = "Unit"

It just depends on what school you go to.

A "4 unit class" is a 4 credit hour class, meaning that the student should receive 4 hours of guided instruction per week. That's why, at my school anyway, a 5 unit class is MTWRF, 5 credit hours of instruction.

HTH.

Does guided instruction include recitations?

I am still confused....

So if at my school, we had 9 unit classes, which had 3 hour lectures and
2 hour long recitations, it would inputted in PharmCAS as 5 credit hours? Or is it only 3 hours?

And what about for labs? If we had 8 hours of lab and 1 hour lecture weekly, then it would be a 9 credit unit course in PharmCAS?

Sorry for the questions ... I'm just really confused, and the answers I found on google simply confuse me further.

 

[Passion4Sci]

Does guided instruction include recitations?

I am still confused....

So if at my school, we had 9 unit classes, which had 3 hour lectures and
2 hour long recitations, it would inputted in PharmCAS as 5 credit hours? Or is it only 3 hours?

And what about for labs? If we had 8 hours of lab and 1 hour lecture weekly, then it would be a 9 credit unit course in PharmCAS?

Sorry for the questions ... I'm just really confused, and the answers I found on google simply confuse me further.

Errr, what the hell is a recitation? Where did you go to undergrad?

I have been to 3 academic institutions now of higher learning, one of them being an Ivy League, and I have never heard of such a thing.

If you had 8 hours of lab and 1 hour of lecture, however many units that was worth (i.e., that you got credit for) is how many credit hours it was. That's the simplest way to explain it, honestly.

If your class is "3 units", it's "3 credit hours."

 

[sungieality]

Does guided instruction include recitations?

I am still confused....

So if at my school, we had 9 unit classes, which had 3 hour lectures and
2 hour long recitations, it would inputted in PharmCAS as 5 credit hours? Or is it only 3 hours?

And what about for labs? If we had 8 hours of lab and 1 hour lecture weekly, then it would be a 9 credit unit course in PharmCAS?

Sorry for the questions ... I'm just really confused, and the answers I found on google simply confuse me further.

Isn't there an academic history recorded for your classes like on the school's web system or something? We have an unofficial transcript laid out that shows all our grades, AP credits, etc... you should just take the values that you see assigned for each course on that page to be the credit hours.

I think recitation is probably discussion section or something of the sort, right?

 

[fenderbiz]

I thought I'd start a thread for all of the new PharmCAS applicants this year. Hopefully everyone's questions can be answered with the community's help.

I actually have a few questions of my own that I'm not 100% clear on, and I'll phrase them as if they were in the PharmCAS faq.

1. If I am taking summer classes, should I wait until the semester has ended to send the transcript request forms or should I try and get it done right away before the semester is over?

2. If I am taking the PCAT in June and August, will schools only see the June score (assuming I e-submitted as soon as I received the June scores)? ...or do the PCAT scores get updated automatically before the academic update?

3. Relating to the previous question, I noticed under the "Tests" section I have the option of putting "planned" for the PCAT. So again, does this mean that the scores will automatically be added, even after I have e-submitted or do I need to wait until scores are received to e-submit?

4. If the school I am sending the transcript request form to normally has a fee for official transcripts, should I send the fee with the transcript request form or just call the school to find out?

That's all I can think of for now. I am concerned that having the "Extracurricular" and "Publications" sections blank will look bad. Hopefully they will understand for people that have to work while going to school.

Good luck everyone.

 

[HolyLights]

1. Depends, on you. PharmCAS will start sending completed applications out usually by August to schools of your choice. Your application will not be consider complete until all transcripts are in. Some schools have an early deadline. I know USC, Western have theirs early Nov i believed, i forget since it's been a year since i last checked. If you think you are done with most of your classes and that your GPA is high enough, then you submit now, then update it later by sending in your summer transcript. But keep in mind, this will cost a few extra bucks for the transcript, and you are sending in your application with less pre-reqs done. I think there are people last year that waited until they are done with summer classes to boost their GPA before they submit. Some people submit really early due to Early decision deadline.

2. You can submit now and when you filled out the application to take the PCAT, have the score sends directly to PharmCAS. They will automatically update all your test scores for you. Both the June and the August test score.

3. You can e-submit and the scores will be updated once it is in.

4. Every school might be a little different. If the school is closeby, I would just stop by to request the transcript in person, so you can give them the transcript request paper. If the school is not close by, I would say call in and find out what you need to do. Normally they would know what to do with the transcript request since I'm sure they get those every year, but as far as paying the fee, I would call in and ask.

 

[fenderbiz]

Thank you. This was very helpful. 👍 🙂

 

[cdiep13]

Hi everyone,

I've just started on my PharmCas. My question is when you enter the courses you've taken, there's a option that says Distance Learning and let's say I went to a community college and took 2 classes on campus, 1 online. Does that one online course counts as Distance Learning? I'm under the impression that Distance Learning is taking all the classes online. Thanks!

 

[sungieality]

Hi everyone,

I've just started on my PharmCas. My question is when you enter the courses you've taken, there's a option that says Distance Learning and let's say I went to a community college and took 2 classes on campus, 1 online. Does that one online course counts as Distance Learning? I'm under the impression that Distance Learning is taking all the classes online. Thanks!

Any class you take online is considered distance learning.

My question doesn't relate to PharmCAS exactly, but does anyone know if Western is rolling admissions? I know USC and UOP are, while UCSD and UCSF aren't. I just want to know if I should be submitting my PharmCAS in several gos (1 early August for all the rolling admits and 1 in Oct/Nov for the non rolling ones).

 

[HolyLights]

Any class you take online is considered distance learning.

My question doesn't relate to PharmCAS exactly, but does anyone know if Western is rolling admissions? I know USC and UOP are, while UCSD and UCSF aren't. I just want to know if I should be submitting my PharmCAS in several gos (1 early August for all the rolling admits and 1 in Oct/Nov for the non rolling ones).

I don't think so since their "Secondary Application (WesternU) Deadline: November 3, 2009" and last year they posted their interview dates. The earliest was on Dec 6th.

 

[busyizzy]

Yeah, recitation is when they go over problems or such, usually led by the TA, but sometimes by the professors. So instead of new concepts, they review the old ones, and go over specific problems that pertain to the material just learned in lecture that week/previous week. This was especially common in more of the problem solving classes, such as calculus, economics, and chemistry, than the upper level biology courses.

I am still uncertain, because different schools use different systems to rank their "credit hours" so how does PharmCAS differentiate between one and the other. I'm asking because our school is known to have .... quirks in the system, because they like being "special." Most of the classes I have taken are 9 unit courses, and a few (like lab) are 12 unit courses. The units signify the number of hours the class is supposed to take, including lecture, recitation, study time and homework time. I guess for now, I will just put down whatever unit shows up on my transcript....

For example, at my school, physics is worth 12 units... but at University of Maryland, it is listed as 4 credits. So.... which is it?? Or does it not really matter, as it is only really used to calculate the pharmcas gpa?

Hmm, I went to undergrad at Carnegie Mellon University ...

Thanks, guys.

 

[Pharm Phiend]

I am starting my pre pharmacy courses this fall, (starting over). I am worried about my pharmcas gpa calculation, I completed courses 10 years ago (cGPA 2.67 and sGPA 2.4), all of the schools I am applying to, either do not take sci/math courses 5 years+ or do not take any courses that are that old. I am concerned because if pharmcas calculates everything, how will I even be considered if they don't look past my gpa for courses that they wouldnt even accept. If I get all A's I am sure it will bump my GPA to a 3.20 but that's still not competitive enough. I have tons of experience, great LOR's volunteer work etc. Anyone has/had this problem. I think Pharmcas should put limitations on how old your grades are depending on where you apply, just as the schools do. Please give me some feedback

 

[fenderbiz]

Hi everyone,

I've just started on my PharmCas. My question is when you enter the courses you've taken, there's a option that says Distance Learning and let's say I went to a community college and took 2 classes on campus, 1 online. Does that one online course counts as Distance Learning? I'm under the impression that Distance Learning is taking all the classes online. Thanks!

The interesting thing about the online classes is, there is no indication on the transcript whether the class was taken online or in class. Maybe it is different for other schools, but not the one I am at.

 

[desmoulins45179]

Errr, what the hell is a recitation? Where did you go to undergrad?

I have been to 3 academic institutions now of higher learning, one of them being an Ivy League, and I have never heard of such a thing.

If you had 8 hours of lab and 1 hour of lecture, however many units that was worth (i.e., that you got credit for) is how many credit hours it was. That's the simplest way to explain it, honestly.

If your class is "3 units", it's "3 credit hours."

But busyizzy is saying that it is 9 units. And a class can't possibly be 9 credit hours.

How can you have never heard of a recitation? I thought it was a standard term. I went to UB (university at buffalo) and they had recitations.

 

[Passion4Sci]

I am starting my pre pharmacy courses this fall, (starting over). I am worried about my pharmcas gpa calculation, I completed courses 10 years ago (cGPA 2.67 and sGPA 2.4), all of the schools I am applying to, either do not take sci/math courses 5 years+ or do not take any courses that are that old. I am concerned because if pharmcas calculates everything, how will I even be considered if they don't look past my gpa for courses that they wouldnt even accept. If I get all A's I am sure it will bump my GPA to a 3.20 but that's still not competitive enough. I have tons of experience, great LOR's volunteer work etc. Anyone has/had this problem. I think Pharmcas should put limitations on how old your grades are depending on where you apply, just as the schools do. Please give me some feedback

3.2 is plenty competitive for every single Pharmacy school in the United States. Couple it with good LoRs, a great PCAT score and some EC and you are very competitive.

If you get straight As in all of your pre-requisites and it's from an accredited institution, I can't see how you could not get interviews.

 

[Passion4Sci]

But busyizzy is saying that it is 9 units. And a class can't possibly be 9 credit hours.

How can you have never heard of a recitation? I thought it was a standard term. I went to UB (university at buffalo) and they had recitations.

I've never even seen a 9 unit class, so I guess I am just really confused.

The last time I heard the term "recitation" it was in high school for music class. There were some classes with a discussion section, which I suppose is what you'd call a recitation, but the classes were still 4/5 units.

My entire time in school it's been either 3, 4, or 5 units and that's that.

Learn something new every day - Sorry for not being more helpful, OP.

 

[Pharm Phiend]

True however, in the event that I do make some B's my final GPA calculation is not going to make me stand out, especially if the adcom basically weeds out the low GPA's

 

[Passion4Sci]

True however, in the event that I do make some B's my final GPA calculation is not going to make me stand out, especially if the adcom basically weeds out the low GPA's

Keep in mind that even UCSF accepts folks with 2.9 GPAs.

The rest of your curriculum vitae just has to look good.

 

[aboveliquidice]

I've never even seen a 9 unit class, so I guess I am just really confused.

The last time I heard the term "recitation" it was in high school for music class. There were some classes with a discussion section, which I suppose is what you'd call a recitation, but the classes were still 4/5 units.

My entire time in school it's been either 3, 4, or 5 units and that's that.

Learn something new every day - Sorry for not being more helpful, OP.

9 units for a sequence maybe - for schools that are not on semesters but quarters. 9 units of Organic, 9 units of chemistry, etc? Just grabbing at something here...

Congrats to those of you that are getting a jump on this - having your app done early 99.9% of the time is a good thing.

 

[Passion4Sci]

9 units for a sequence maybe - for schools that are not on semesters but quarters. 9 units of Organic, 9 units of chemistry, etc? Just grabbing at something here...

Congrats to those of you that are getting a jump on this - having your app done early 99.9% of the time is a good thing.

UC Davis is a school based on the quarter system, and the classes are 4/5 units.

But, you're probably right anyway - It could be counted by the series. Until OP replies, though, I suppose we'll just be guessing.

 

[busyizzy]

9 units for a sequence maybe - for schools that are not on semesters but quarters. 9 units of Organic, 9 units of chemistry, etc? Just grabbing at something here...

Congrats to those of you that are getting a jump on this - having your app done early 99.9% of the time is a good thing.

Nope, we are on semesters. It was 9 units for orgo I, 9 units for orgo 2, etc. Like I said, our school likes having ******edly weird systems. Thanks though - I think I understand now. PharmCAS expects you to have 3-5 credit hours? I was confused because they let you choose up to 20 credit hours, so I thought maybe they were using a different system I wasn't aware of. I know how to translate between my school's system to the standard 3-4 credits - I was just unsure whether PharmCAS was asking for those credits or something else.

Hmmm...I hope I don't fall under the 0.1% of the population then ...

Edit: In case people were interested, our school is just the regular credits multiplied by 3. So a 3 credit class is 9 units at my school, and a 4 credit class is 12 units. Strange, I know ... I never understood why we used this and not the other way....

 

[Passion4Sci]

Nope, we are on semesters. It was 9 units for orgo I, 9 units for orgo 2, etc. Like I said, our school likes having ******edly weird systems. Thanks though - I think I understand now. PharmCAS expects you to have 3-5 credit hours? I was confused because they let you choose up to 20 credit hours, so I thought maybe they were using a different system I wasn't aware of. I know how to translate between my school's system to the standard 3-4 credits - I was just unsure whether PharmCAS was asking for those credits or something else.

Hahaha... I hope I don't fall under the 0.1% of the population then ...

Glad we could be of (some) assistance.

 

[desmoulins45179]

9 units for a sequence maybe - for schools that are not on semesters but quarters. 9 units of Organic, 9 units of chemistry, etc? Just grabbing at something here...

Congrats to those of you that are getting a jump on this - having your app done early 99.9% of the time is a good thing.

I was really really really late this past cycle and am on the waiting list. A lot of schools have rolling admissions so I thought I'd get a head start.

Though I really don't know how they could mess up a university's name (it's even a pharmacy school that uses the PharmCAS system )

 

[busyizzy]

Would statistics classes fall under math...?

 

[desmoulins45179]

Would statistics classes fall under math...?

yes. i don't know exactly where it is off the top of my head but there is an instruction set that describes each of the subjects (like what constitutes math, biology, chemistry, etc.) and statistics falls under math

 

[MRSA Sucks]

LOL, I don't get it. Why do so many people need to wait one minute after midnight June 3 to see if the application is up already. It doesn't make a difference if you submit it today or a week from now. It's better to sleep and RELAX - life is way too short to be calling PharmCAS and asking them why the app hasn't been up a a few hours after midnight...

 

[mletter]

I think schools are only concerned about math and science courses that are older than 7 years. I don't think they generally care about the other classes.

 

[purple platypus]

When filling out the coursework section, they ask you to include all classes taken... what if you took classes at a community college during high school or younger? What would you put for the academic status since none of them really apply (by academic status, I mean freshman, sophomore, graduate, etc.)?

 

[Passion4Sci]

When filling out the coursework section, they ask you to include all classes taken... what if you took classes at a community college during high school or younger? What would you put for the academic status since none of them really apply (by academic status, I mean freshman, sophomore, graduate, etc.)?

I put "Freshman" for the classes I took during HS at a CC.

I asked a few BTDTs and they said that should be fine.

Shouldn't be a big deal.

 

[jzb]

Hi, I'm wondering about Course level Fr/Soph and Jr/Sr

Our classes are level Elementary, Intermediate and Advanced
(*some* are Difficult= Between Intermediate and Advanced)

-Elem = Fr/So (Intro bio/chem/econ classes)

-Intermediate= ? (3rd semester spanish, intro o chem, calc 2)

-Diff/Advanced= Jr/Sr

I'm wondering if Intermediate = Jr/Sr ? I'm thinking yes, but wanted your input. Thanks!

 

[OChemist]

Does Nursing count toward your science/math gpa?
Does Engineer count too? please reply, thanks.

 

[busyizzy]

I just depended it on course number. xx-200 is called Advanced Programming but only freshmen or sophomores take it.

The rule I used is, if it's 1xx or 2xx, then it's a freshman/sophomore course. If it's a 3xx or higher, then it's a junior/senior course.

Think of it this way: You take intro to calc or whatever (calc I) in freshman year, fall semester. Then you can take calc II in spring semester, also in freshman year (or the following year - sophomore). This makes it a freshman/sophomore course.

Same thing with Spanish - 3rd semester would be taken at the start of your sophomore year. It is a freshman/sophomore course.

I don't give much weight to their names, so much as when people would normally take them, based on their numbers.

 

[busyizzy]

With the whole raging debate of "cc vs 4-yr university" that happens often on the boards (not to open a Pandora's box - but I'm genuinely curious), does anyone feel jilted or annoyed that PharmCAS requires all classes taken at a cc be listed at the freshman/sophomore level, even the advanced classes?

 

[busyizzy]

Regardless of your worry, you have to enter all your grades from 10 years ago, as that is what is required of you, good grades or bad.

Many schools do not look at the overall GPA - they look for trends in the GPA. If they see you getting good grades (As and Bs) presently, that will reflect well on you.

If it really worries you, you can mention it in your personal statement. Talk about how you have matured since 10 years ago, and point towards your current grades as proof of it.

 

[fenderbiz]

With the whole raging debate of "cc vs 4-yr university" that happens often on the boards (not to open a Pandora's box - but I'm genuinely curious), does anyone feel jilted or annoyed that PharmCAS requires all classes taken at a cc be listed at the freshman/sophomore level, even the advanced classes?

Any class with a 1 or a 2 in front of it is freshman/sophomore. This applies at any school.

 

[busyizzy]

Any class with a 1 or a 2 in front of it is freshman/sophomore. This applies at any school.

I'm talking not about THOSE classes (obviously any intro to chem or bio class would be a freshman course), but the more advanced classes (... which I said in my question, -roll eyes-). Perhaps learning to read the whole question before answering it would be a useful thing to pick up.

 

[pavouaxiong]

I thought I'd start a thread for all of the new PharmCAS applicants this year. Hopefully everyone's questions can be answered with the community's help.

That's all I can think of for now. I am concerned that having the "Extracurricular" and "Publications" sections blank will look bad. Hopefully they will understand for people that have to work while going to school.

Good luck everyone.

You can also email *********************************** to ask what he thinks of having 'extracurricular and publications' sections blank. He is on the admissions at one of the pharmacy schools and would kindly give his review on that question.

It doesn't hurt ot email him and ask his opinion. I already sent my personal statement for him to review. After he gives insight on mine, I'll tidy it up and finish my PHARMCAS.

I spent around 2-3hrs last night just inputing all the courses I have had in college. The list was long!!! Anyone hates doing this part?

Good luck on applying on PHARMCAS.

 

[fenderbiz]

I'm talking not about THOSE classes (obviously any intro to chem or bio class would be a freshman course), but the more advanced classes (... which I said in my question, -roll eyes-). Perhaps learning to read the whole question before answering it would be a useful thing to pick up.

Most community colleges don't have any classes beyond level 2. Organic II is still a sophomore course. I'm not sure what you mean by "advanced" classes.

 

[Dr.iz-n]

Hi,
According to the Pharmcas Instructions, it says that "Public Health" courses would go under "Other Science".

So even if I have a Behavioral Health and Health Education course, I would put it under "Other Science", and NOT the "Social/Behavioral" course category?
Please clarify...

Also, would "Biopsychology" go under "Social/Behavioral" category, OR would it be "Biology"?

Thanks

 

[FarmDea]

I am going to take the PCAT for the second time this August. When I registered for the PCAT, I already told them to send the scores to PharmCas.

Now the question is, for the PCAT I took first time around back in last October, do I have to request PCAT to send this score to PharmCas?

No. Both of your scores will be sent automatically (to all of the designations that you have listed for your current PCAT score to be sent to).

 

[miko]

With the whole raging debate of "cc vs 4-yr university" that happens often on the boards (not to open a Pandora's box - but I'm genuinely curious), does anyone feel jilted or annoyed that PharmCAS requires all classes taken at a cc be listed at the freshman/sophomore level, even the advanced classes?

Yeah, that bugs. Anatomy and Microbiology (lecture only) are upper division at my university. If you take them at a CC (with a lab, even!) , then they're considered lower division. It sucks because they are the same class when you compare their catalogue description.

 

[cschellh]

Yeah, that bugs. Anatomy and Microbiology (lecture only) are upper division at my university. If you take them at a CC (with a lab, even!) , then they're considered lower division. It sucks because they are the same class when you compare their catalogue description.

YOu know, I wasn't sure abotu this either- bc when I sent my transcripts to another University to be interpreted they marked microbio (a 200 level at my CC) as an upperdivision?

I don't know either?

And I was in nursing school- I'm thinking the level would be professional, right?

 

[miko]

Hi,
According to the Pharmcas Instructions, it says that "Public Health" courses would go under "Other Science".

So even if I have a Behavioral Health and Health Education course, I would put it under "Other Science", and NOT the "Social/Behavioral" course category?
Please clarify...

Also, would "Biopsychology" go under "Social/Behavioral" category, OR would it be "Biology"?

Thanks

I would put Behavioral Health in Social/Behavioral Science since it's directly related to studies of behavior and since PharmCAS also has Personal and Community Health in this category.

I would put Biopsych in Other Science since Bioethics is in this category. Ethics is Non-Science, but Bioethics is Other Science because of its bio component. I'd use that same logic for Biopsych, but that's me.

HTH

 

[miko]

YOu know, I wasn't sure abotu this either- bc when I sent my transcripts to another University to be interpreted they marked microbio (a 200 level at my CC) as an upperdivision?

I don't know either?

And I was in nursing school- I'm thinking the level would be professional, right?

Yes, it is confusing why different schools classify them as different levels. I'm just marking all my CC classes as lower division and all my university classes as the level designated in the university catalogue. I think this is the safest bet.

 

[yappy]

I don't mean to hijack the OP's thread; however, what is looked as a positive trend. The reason I ask is because I went from a trend of 3.85 over the last year (upward trend) to rounding this term off B, B, A, A(3 sci with labs and 1 writing course.). Will this be looked at as regression?



Thanks.

 

[cuedee]

Hi,
According to the Pharmcas Instructions, it says that "Public Health" courses would go under "Other Science".

So even if I have a Behavioral Health and Health Education course, I would put it under "Other Science", and NOT the "Social/Behavioral" course category?
Please clarify...

Also, would "Biopsychology" go under "Social/Behavioral" category, OR would it be "Biology"?

Thanks

Categorize it as your school does in its catalogue and on your transcript.

 

[Dr.iz-n]

Thanks this is what Pharmcas said too. What if the course is listed as PUBH 6305 Biostatistics...Wouldn't that go under Math, though?

Categorize it as your school does in its catalogue and on your transcript.

 

[iamjess]

Hi,
According to the Pharmcas Instructions, it says that "Public Health" courses would go under "Other Science".

So even if I have a Behavioral Health and Health Education course, I would put it under "Other Science", and NOT the "Social/Behavioral" course category?
Please clarify...

Also, would "Biopsychology" go under "Social/Behavioral" category, OR would it be "Biology"?

Thanks

I put by biopsych course under social/behavioral science since it is listed as a psychology course at the school where I took it.

What would you guys put Architecture under? I can't seem to find a good spot for it. I put it in general/non-science for now. And did anyone do undergad research? I did this for a year with the psychology department but I actually worked in an electrophysiology lab. Any suggestions? Thanks for the help

 

[sierrawest]

Hi. Should I receive the 'PCAT CID' that Pharmcas asks for after registering for the PCAT? Also the PCAT registration asks for score recipients. If all the schools I'm applying to say to submit the score via pharmcas, then 104 is the only one I need to mark correct? Thanks.

 

[diastole]

I am starting my pre pharmacy courses this fall, (starting over). I am worried about my pharmcas gpa calculation, I completed courses 10 years ago (cGPA 2.67 and sGPA 2.4), all of the schools I am applying to, either do not take sci/math courses 5 years+ or do not take any courses that are that old. I am concerned because if pharmcas calculates everything, how will I even be considered if they don't look past my gpa for courses that they wouldnt even accept. If I get all A's I am sure it will bump my GPA to a 3.20 but that's still not competitive enough. I have tons of experience, great LOR's volunteer work etc. Anyone has/had this problem. I think Pharmcas should put limitations on how old your grades are depending on where you apply, just as the schools do. Please give me some feedback

I think you will be okay. If you make it past the GPA cut-off of your schools, then they will look at your application and see that it was the old grades weighing down your GPA and they weren't going to count them anyway. But you do have to list all the grades.