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You're scaring me a little bit. I don't really own winter clothes... I'm going to be at the GPVEC, and I think we're outside a lot.

Where around are you in Nebraska? I would jump on those winter clothes as it will snow by Halloween almost wherever you are in Nebraska. It doesn't get that cold until about January through March. I graduated May 10 and it snowed 7 inches May 9, 80 degrees May 10, and snowed another seven inches May 11. Be ready for Nebraska to be as weather crazy as Colorado....

Drought shouldn't be going on too much longer in California. It's already rained twice in the last 2 months!

Cause California is stealing our water. 😛
 
Where around are you in Nebraska? I would jump on those winter clothes as it will snow by Halloween almost wherever you are in Nebraska. It doesn't get that cold until about January through March. I graduated May 10 and it snowed 7 inches May 9, 80 degrees May 10, and snowed another seven inches May 11. Be ready for Nebraska to be as weather crazy as Colorado....

Never been to Colorado 🙁 The only time I saw snow in my life was when I interviewed at Western and drove in the mountains to see it. It's the GPVEC, and Google Maps just says that's "Clay Center, NE." I'm just dragging my feet because I will likely never ever use winter clothes again in my entire life and I'm not exactly made of money.

Had a long conversation with my mum the other day about the ridiculousness of the money vet students are expected to spend. Oh, you've spent the last two years in scrubs? Well, you need to buy some nice business clothes that will get urinated on, defecated on, and puked on in clinics. Oh, you've been using sneakers for equine labs the last two years? You better get some paddock boots or hiking boots for the whole 4 weeks of equine you'll be doing. You don't want to do cattle the rest of your life? You still need a minimum of 3 pairs of coveralls. I totally understand the requirements, but that doesn't stop me from being grumpy about the money I'm forced to spend that I don't have. I guess I should be happy that I haven't quite hit $200k in student loans yet!
 
Lovely. Just paid for my flight and all that jazz to go to Nashville for ACVS and the place I was staying just cancelled my reservation a whopping five days before I'm supposed to be there.

[edit] speaking of being poor, considering my above post lol.
 
Never been to Colorado 🙁 The only time I saw snow in my life was when I interviewed at Western and drove in the mountains to see it. It's the GPVEC, and Google Maps just says that's "Clay Center, NE." I'm just dragging my feet because I will likely never ever use winter clothes again in my entire life and I'm not exactly made of money.

If you get the chance, check out our beautiful state of Colorado. 🙂. You'll become a pro at snow this winter cause Nebraska doesn't let snow get away with anything. The only snow days I had were after 6 feet of snow in 24 hours. Otherwise, Nebraska is definitely fine at taking care of it. And we had those snow days seven months after we had our fire warning. Clay Center is about 8 hours away from me. Have fun being, quite literally, in the middle of nowhere!
 
Ok, I am just panicking in your general direction. I'm not asking for medical advice. If you want to reassure me that yes, I am just panicking because the human brain likes to make connections, cool! I will take it!

My mastiff mix had to be put down a 1.5 years ago due to an intestinal adenocarcinoma (yes, I necropsied and tested it). My older daughter is showing similar gut symptoms. I'm not saying she has cancer, just that she seems to be blocked. She has been vomiting for days with no stool and since she's keeping marginally hydrated, they just say to keep giving her "Cerenia" and keep giving her oral fluids. She has an abdominal mass (pretty sure it's stool) that hasn't moved in days and she now says her belly is sore, but is just as stoic as my dog was and when I opened him up, his intestine had actually been perforated and the omentum had closed it by adhering all his guts together in a solid ball. Again, not saying that is what is going on with my girl, but my panicked brain is just doing the "The last time I saw similar symptoms someone died" thing and I HATE IT!

I'm gonna go cry somewhere until the doctor calls back...

Well, that sucks. I hope she's doing ok. Can we get an update? I think anxiety is a pretty understandable thing to be feeling.

I'm just academically curious about something .... as far as I know, Cerenia isn't approved for use in humans (there are other NK1 antagonists that are, though). Am I wrong and they're really giving your daughter Cerenia, or was that just a mistake on your part, or were the quotation marks meant to imply "something like Cerenia"?
 
One of my classmates told me they were listening to NPR and some authority on the subject said we'd need the equivalent of several El Ninos, not just one.
Yeah I think that I may have heard some of the same stories. I'm in norcal, and I think we received just under the normal annual amount of precipitation last year, but it has done nothing to ease the drought. There was almost no snow accumulation in the mountains, which I guess is the big resevoir for the whole state. So we're going to need a few wet winters where its not all rain.
The craziest story I read was how the whole central valley has been sinking a few inches because of ground water depletion. There's big concern about roads/bridges/buildings being severely damaged as the ground settles (?, maybe receeds. I don't know what the correct wording is).
 
The craziest story I read was how the whole central valley has been sinking a few inches because of ground water depletion. There's big concern about roads/bridges/buildings being severely damaged as the ground settles (?, maybe receeds. I don't know what the correct wording is).
Maybe it'll be like some parts of Florida. Random sinkholes everywhere.
 
Hope it's just the exhaustion but I think these two overnight shifts and my day of drinking yesterday have worn down my immune system and that I'm getting sick.
 
Well, that sucks. I hope she's doing ok. Can we get an update? I think anxiety is a pretty understandable thing to be feeling.

I'm just academically curious about something .... as far as I know, Cerenia isn't approved for use in humans (there are other NK1 antagonists that are, though). Am I wrong and they're really giving your daughter Cerenia, or was that just a mistake on your part, or were the quotation marks meant to imply "something like Cerenia"?
It's not approved, it was likely s0nothing like ondansetron or dolasetron as th9we are both very commonly used in people
 
Hence, "in my opinion". I still think people don't need meat, it may be harder and less convinient, but it's still possible. But that's not going to stop me from respecting everyone's dietary choices. It's none of my concern.

For me, it is reassuring for to know that certain religions/cultures practice vegetarianism and have been doing fine for thousands of years. It's an interesting concept for me when I talk to people who have been raised vegetarians their whole lives, because my family eats lots of meat and I didn't become a vegetarian until I got to college. I think it's harder for people's bodies to get used to not having meat if they've been eating it forever. It took about a year for me to be completely normal without it, and I still have to take iron pills when I'm on my period!

I feel this way, too. Contrary to popular belief, humans were not made to consume or digest meat. Literally all of the beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit, meat and dairy alternatives etc., contain all of the necessary protein and calcium. In fact, their protein and calcium content is much higher than that of animal protein and dairy products, while simultaneously containing less fat, sugar, etc. and being so much easier on the GI tract. I've also experienced the "oh, I could never ever do that," and the "I would be vegan, but I love and need cheese." Well, no. You could definitely do it. And you don't NEED these things. You want these things. Which is completely fine! I've been a vegan for almost 3 years now. However, I don't force my opinions upon anyone. No one in my family follows a vegan diet and very few friends of mine are even vegetarian or have eliminated red meat at the least. In fact, my little brother (20yo) is an athlete who was recently sponsored by the whey protein company (products with casein), and until a year and a half ago he'd make the protein comments to me, call me frail, etc. ask me how I would continue surviving without bacon, and the like. I never tried to change his mind on any of it by degrading a carnivorous diet, I just explained my preference and allowed his. He one day came to me to let me know how much he had recently learned and respected about veganism. Many of the athletes he had been competing with were vegan, as well as famous one he'd been looking up to. He realized just how much health, talent, and athleticism they brought to the table and just how much the protein and sufficient nutrients argument had become invalid. (Maybe he's just brown nosing so I'll make him another batch of buffalo chickpea dip 😉) Sure, deficiencies are possible and common...but this is due to the personal characteristics of one's diet. If you do not include a well-balanced array of nutrients in your diet, you will lack in some area(s). This is the same for carnivorous individuals. Everyone is different and explaining the lifestyle(s) can only do so much. It's got to be a personal interest or realization. But it's nice to know you're on here, too!
 
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I feel this way, too. Contrary to popular belief, humans were not made to consume or digest meat. Literally all of the beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit, meat and dairy alternatives etc., contain all of the necessary protein and calcium. In fact, their protein and calcium content is much higher than that of animal protein and dairy products, while simultaneously containing less fat, sugar, etc. and being so much easier on the GI tract. I've also experienced the "oh, I could never ever do that," and the "I would be vegan, but I love and need cheese." Well, no. You could definitely do it. And you don't NEED these things. You want these things. Which is completely fine! I've been a vegan for almost 3 years now. However, I don't force my opinions upon anyone. No one in my family follows a vegan diet and very few friends of mine are even vegetarian or have eliminated red meat at the least. In fact, my little brother is an athlete who was recently sponsored by the whey protein company (products with casein), and until a year and a half ago he'd make the protein comments to me, call me frail, etc. ask me how I would continue surviving without bacon, and the like. I never tried to change his mind on any of it by degrading a carnivorous diet, I just explained my preference and allowed his. He one day came to me to let me know how much he had recently learned and respected about veganism. Many of the athletes he had been competing with were vegan, as well as famous one he'd been looking up to. He realized just how much health, talent, and athleticism they brought to the table and just how much the protein and sufficient nutrients argument had become invalid. (Maybe he's just brown nosing so I'll make him another batch of buffalo chickpea dip 😉) Sure, deficiencies are possible and common...but this is due to the personal characteristics of one's diet. If you do not include a well-balanced array of nutrients in your diet, you will lack in some area(s). This is the same for carnivorous individuals. Everyone is different and explaining the lifestyle(s) can only do so much. It's got to be a personal interest or realization. But it's nice to know you're on here, too!

So much of this is so incredibly false.
 
That's not how it works. The changes in weather happen with sickness because you have more crowding inside. Rain doesn't cause colds, either
:=|:-):
No matter the route or the cause, when the weather bobs up and down as such, I go down with a cold.
 
So much of this is so incredibly false.

You're all about saying that to everything I post (and many others)...I'm used to it. In fact, I would be concerned if you found anything other than your own opinions to be true. But, I'm educated on the topic and I don't retract anything I've said. I've been living this lifestyle for almost 3 years, and was a carnivore before that. Both my research and experience have contributed to my valid statements. So, in the aspect of experiencing both sides of the spectrum, I do not believe you can relate.
 
Anyone ever seen peliosis hepatis in a cat/dog? I found a couple papers on it but I don't have access to them... Not sure why I don't even have access to the JAVMA one through school :bang:
 
You're all about saying that to everything I post (and many others)...I'm used to it. In fact, I would be concerned if you found anything other than your own opinions to be true. But, I'm educated on the topic and I don't retract anything I've said. I've been living this lifestyle for almost 3 years, and was a carnivore before that. Both my research and experience have contributed to my valid statements. So, in the aspect of experiencing both sides of the spectrum, I do not believe you can relate.

Considering published research tells that you are wrong. You can believe your anecdotal evidence as much as your heart desires. I'll trust research.
 
carnivore
*omnivore

I'm interested in hearing where the idea that "humans were not made to consume or digest meat" comes from though. We certainly seem to have been doing it since, well, the very origins of our species. Even other primates eat meat.
 
Considering published research tells that you are wrong. You can believe your anecdotal evidence as much as your heart desires. I'll trust research.

You and I both know there is research favoring both sides.
 
*omnivore

I'm interested in hearing where the idea that "humans were not made to consume or digest meat" comes from though. We certainly seem to have been doing it since, well, the very origins of our species. Even other primates eat meat.

Nope, I meant carnivore. I'm aware of the meanings. Thanks for looking out, though 🙂 And as for the origin of our species, yes. Back when we knew nothing but subconscious survival of the fittest with a lack of intellect and human interaction, we certainly did begin consuming meat. We then evolved mentally and physically. I'm not interested in a heated debate. If you want logistics, do some reading on the topic. As I said, I'm not one to force my beliefs on anyone. Eat what makes you happy and I'll do the same.
 
Nope, I meant carnivore. I'm aware of the meanings. Thanks for looking out, though 🙂 And as for the origin of our species, yes. Back when we knew nothing but subconscious survival of the fittest with a lack of intellect and human interaction, we certainly did begin consuming meat. We then evolved mentally and physically. I'm not interested in a heated debate. If you want logistics, do some reading on the topic. As I said, I'm not one to force my beliefs on anyone. Eat what makes you happy and I'll do the same.
Interesting. I don't think I've met anyone who consumed almost exclusively meat before.

I have done reading on the topic. Which suggests that humans are anatomically and physiologically adapted to be omnivorous (similar to our closest relatives genetically, chimpanzees). This is why I was interested in where your "facts" as you say come from. But it's lovely to drop statements like that (which you know are counter to common knowledge) and not provide the sources to back them up.
 
Interesting. I don't think I've met anyone who consumed almost exclusively meat before.

I have done reading on the topic. Which suggests that humans are anatomically and physiologically adapted to be omnivorous (similar to our closest relatives genetically, chimpanzees). This is why I was interested in where your "facts" as you say come from. But it's lovely to drop statements like that (which you know are counter to common knowledge) and not provide the sources to back them up.

Because it is just her opinion. And clearly she's doing the whole believing her own opinion and not listening to anyone else that she blamed me of before.

Oh well, hypocrites are fun.
 
Interesting. I don't think I've met anyone who consumed almost exclusively meat before.

I have done reading on the topic. Which suggests that humans are anatomically and physiologically adapted to be omnivorous (similar to our closest relatives genetically, chimpanzees). This is why I was interested in where your "facts" as you say come from. But it's lovely to drop statements like that (which you know are counter to common knowledge) and not provide the sources to back them up.

As I stated before, I was not aiming to participate in a debate or sway anyone's beliefs. I was simply responding to an individual who shares similar beliefs to my own. Therefore, I don't find sources or means of "backing my statements" to be necessary. I'm sure you can understand that.

Again, I'm well aware of the meanings of carnivorous vs. omnivorous vs. herbivorous. My word choice was intentional, and only meant to stress the very regular consumption of meat in my previous diet to another poster. I will surrender to your technicality, but nothing else.

We can agree to disagree on the rest.
 
I will surrender to your technicality, but nothing else.
Without getting into a debate, the words have very specific meaning. It's not a technicality so much as an error in communication. Carnivore implies a diet without much plant material. Omnivorous implies both animal and plant materials in the diet.
 
Because it is just her opinion. And clearly she's doing the whole believing her own opinion and not listening to anyone else that she blamed me of before.

Oh well, hypocrites are fun.

Interesting post. I'm sorry you feel that way, and sincerely hope you're not as confrontational in all aspects of your life as you are on sdn. Being able to realize that there are valid standpoints aside from your own is a crucial quality for survival. Not everything is black-and-white. Every means of intellect should be respected.
 
Without getting into a debate, the words have very specific meaning. It's not a technicality so much as an error in communication. Carnivore implies a diet without much plant material. Omnivorous implies both animal and plant materials in the diet.

Again, I know this. And before veganism I very seldom consumed much plant material. Had you asked about that before assuming I had made a mistake, you wouldn't feel it necessary to keep repeating yourself in an attempt to school me.
 
Interesting post. I'm sorry you feel that way, and sincerely hope you're not as confrontational in all aspects of your life as you are on sdn. Being able to realize that there are valid standpoints aside from your own is an crucial quality for survival. Not everything is black-and-white. Every means of intellect should be respected.

I respect what you choose to eat. I don't respect when people claim there is research and information out there that is contrary to basically everything I've read and when asked to back up those statement resorts to personal attacks and refuses to provide said links.

We are all for friendly debate here but you are the one claiming things, then jumping on people who don't agree or ask for proof of your position. You are being the confrontational one.
 
Again, I know this. And before veganism I very seldom consumed much plant material. Had you asked about that before assuming I had made a mistake, you wouldn't feel it necessary to keep repeating yourself in an attempt to school me.
I'm not repeatedly schooling you. This is the first time I've responded to you on the subject. I would wager though that your definition of not much plant material is still more than those of carnivorous animals.
 
I'm not repeatedly schooling you. This is the first time I've responded to you on the subject. I would wager though that your definition of not much plant material is still more than those of carnivorous animals.

You can wager whatever you like. It's all relative.
 
It isn't really. That's the point I was trying to make. Even if it was only 20% of your diet that's more than a carnivore

What I'm considering relative is your knowledge and perception of MY diet.

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What I'm considering relative is your knowledge and perception of MY diet.

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I didn't assume anything. I'm not the same person as wildzoo. But saying you ate a carnivorous diet is going to be questioned because it us so unusual, even among the most unhealthy. You haven't really elaborated on your diet so the questioning persisted. But please, continue.
 
I feel this way, too. Contrary to popular belief, humans were not made to consume or digest meat. Literally all of the beans, lentils, vegetables, fruit, meat and dairy alternatives etc., contain all of the necessary protein and calcium. In fact, their protein and calcium content is much higher than that of animal protein and dairy products, while simultaneously containing less fat, sugar, etc. and being so much easier on the GI tract. I've also experienced the "oh, I could never ever do that," and the "I would be vegan, but I love and need cheese." Well, no. You could definitely do it. And you don't NEED these things. You want these things. Which is completely fine! I've been a vegan for almost 3 years now. However, I don't force my opinions upon anyone. No one in my family follows a vegan diet and very few friends of mine are even vegetarian or have eliminated red meat at the least. In fact, my little brother (20yo) is an athlete who was recently sponsored by the whey protein company (products with casein), and until a year and a half ago he'd make the protein comments to me, call me frail, etc. ask me how I would continue surviving without bacon, and the like. I never tried to change his mind on any of it by degrading a carnivorous diet, I just explained my preference and allowed his. He one day came to me to let me know how much he had recently learned and respected about veganism. Many of the athletes he had been competing with were vegan, as well as famous one he'd been looking up to. He realized just how much health, talent, and athleticism they brought to the table and just how much the protein and sufficient nutrients argument had become invalid. (Maybe he's just brown nosing so I'll make him another batch of buffalo chickpea dip 😉) Sure, deficiencies are possible and common...but this is due to the personal characteristics of one's diet. If you do not include a well-balanced array of nutrients in your diet, you will lack in some area(s). This is the same for carnivorous individuals. Everyone is different and explaining the lifestyle(s) can only do so much. It's got to be a personal interest or realization. But it's nice to know you're on here, too!

I don't usually jump on band wagons here, but you are spouting all kinds of wrongness here. Just for starters, have you taken a look at our teeth lately? I mean, you know, clearly incisors were meant to smash and pound soft beans and leaves....... So OBVIOUSLY we were NOT meant to have meat in our diet..... :smack:

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As I stated before, I was not aiming to participate in a debate or sway anyone's beliefs. I was simply responding to an individual who shares similar beliefs to my own. Therefore, I don't find sources or means of "backing my statements" to be necessary. I'm sure you can understand that.

Again, I'm well aware of the meanings of carnivorous vs. omnivorous vs. herbivorous. My word choice was intentional, and only meant to stress the very regular consumption of meat in my previous diet to another poster. I will surrender to your technicality, but nothing else.

We can agree to disagree on the rest.
When I said "I'm interested" in my first response to you, I meant it. You can't drop statements like that and expect people to just shrug and not wonder where the information is coming from.

I also am not sure why you continued to stress your knowledge of the definition of carnivore. I said it was interesting. I'm not really concerned about how you define your diet. My initial correction was only because I have seen vegetarians/vegans refer to others as carnivores before, or to a more common human diet as carnivorous, which is inaccurate.
 
Unrelated rant: I like doing puzzles and I'm trying to have hobbies that aren't watching tv or reading but aren't too active because my joints don't cooperate. Well, my shoulder has been popping and hurting like crazy anytime I reach across to place pieces. And it's been bad for over 2 years at this point but this is the worst it has been. My doctor keeps telling me he doesn't know what's going on with it (since MRIs tend to be very normal for me despite pathology) so there's nothing I can do about it other than take NSAIDs and do PT.
 
Well, that sucks. I hope she's doing ok. Can we get an update? I think anxiety is a pretty understandable thing to be feeling.

I'm just academically curious about something .... as far as I know, Cerenia isn't approved for use in humans (there are other NK1 antagonists that are, though). Am I wrong and they're really giving your daughter Cerenia, or was that just a mistake on your part, or were the quotation marks meant to imply "something like Cerenia"?
Something like Cerenia. It's Zofran (sp?) or Ondansetron.
Since the working theory now is that she is stress constapated, I stopped giving it. Her guts are completely back filled with stool. People with DS are prone to gut problems in general, but she has never had issues before. So once we get her cleared we get to see if there is a reason.

She also began grinding her teeth and her sleep apnea got bad about a year ago. Everyone agrees something is going on, but nobody agrees on what it is or what to do about it. For now we are prepping her to sleep with a CPAP and scheduling a ton of specialty exams.
 
Something like Cerenia. It's Zofran (sp?) or Ondansetron.
Since the working theory now is that she is stress constapated, I stopped giving it. Her guts are completely back filled with stool. People with DS are prone to gut problems in general, but she has never had issues before. So once we get her cleared we get to see if there is a reason.

She also began grinding her teeth and her sleep apnea got bad about a year ago. Everyone agrees something is going on, but nobody agrees on what it is or what to do about it. For now we are prepping her to sleep with a CPAP and scheduling a ton of specialty exams.
Zofran is a drug that works much differently than cerenia. cerenia = maropitant and it's actually a really cool drug. There isn't a true human analog for this. Things that cerenia can do that are cool? It can (in addition to treating nausea/vomiting) control pain to a certain extent.

I'm not sure what DS is, but I hope she starts to feel better.
 
Zofran is a drug that works much differently than cerenia. cerenia = maropitant and it's actually a really cool drug. There isn't a true human analog for this. Things that cerenia can do that are cool? It can (in addition to treating nausea/vomiting) control pain to a certain extent.

I'm not sure what DS is, but I hope she starts to feel better.
Down Syndrome, sorry. I get used to shortening it too often.
Yes, I know the difference but when I get a doctor on the line that hasn't dealt with me before they overly dumb things down and her description of what they were prescribing fit Cerenia better than it does Zofran and I'm obstanent. Plus I was talking to veterinary people on here and thought it would be more relatable to use a veterinary drug name than the (on here) lesser known drug.
 
Unrelated rant: I like doing puzzles and I'm trying to have hobbies that aren't watching tv or reading but aren't too active because my joints don't cooperate. Well, my shoulder has been popping and hurting like crazy anytime I reach across to place pieces. And it's been bad for over 2 years at this point but this is the worst it has been. My doctor keeps telling me he doesn't know what's going on with it (since MRIs tend to be very normal for me despite pathology) so there's nothing I can do about it other than take NSAIDs and do PT.

What about something artsy? Painting, perhaps? or Photography?
 
Down Syndrome, sorry. I get used to shortening it too often.
Yes, I know the difference but when I get a doctor on the line that hasn't dealt with me before they overly dumb things down and her description of what they were prescribing fit Cerenia better than it does Zofran and I'm obstanent. Plus I was talking to veterinary people on here and thought it would be more relatable to use a veterinary drug name than the (on here) lesser known drug.
actually, ondansetron is used in vet med, and it probably ought to be used more often for certain disease processed. The issue is cost 🙂
 
I've been thinking about photography. I do draw, but when wrists are questionable at best, it is easy to fatigue easily.
Perhaps water color painting while holding the brush between your teeth?

Hobby... Check
Avoid using wrists... Check
Making unique art to sell at the next artsy fartsy market and help pay off vet school debt.... Priceless
 
Perhaps water color painting while holding the brush between your teeth?

Hobby... Check
Avoid using wrists... Check
Making unique art to sell at the next artsy fartsy market and help pay off vet school debt.... Priceless
maybe I'll be better at watercolors than I am with my wrists 😉
 
Down Syndrome, sorry. I get used to shortening it too often.
Yes, I know the difference but when I get a doctor on the line that hasn't dealt with me before they overly dumb things down and her description of what they were prescribing fit Cerenia better than it does Zofran and I'm obstanent. Plus I was talking to veterinary people on here and thought it would be more relatable to use a veterinary drug name than the (on here) lesser known drug.

I wasn't criticizing, I was genuinely curious. Especially since there ARE NK1 antagonists (like Cerenia) used and/or in development for people.

Zofran = Ondansetron. I use it all the time in my patients. Certainly not as much as Cerenia, which is a friggin' wonder drug, but I still use it a lot.
 
Yeah, I guess I'd heard once upon a time that we can use Zofran in animals, but I've always seen the vet choose Cerenia.

3 years ago was the last I heard on another major human drug trial for the NK1 antagonists from a drug rep, but I hadn't heard anything since. That would be great to have in the human market! The last I heard, the drug companies were willing to limit it to cancer and terminal patients while waiting for the long term studies for general use, but I never heard whether it passed.
 
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