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pinkpuppy9 said:
Because it stems from my rant: How many of you (especially those in practice) find yourselves being 'accused' of making tons of money as a veterinarian? Coming from the group of us here who are all very aware that we're not going to be millionaires, having to deal with a client screaming at me because my boss is using him as a way to pay off her mansion (lol) took me by surprise.

No, she doesn't make $500 an hour. No, she has not selected you to be her cash cow.
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I can't even stand to see those comments on public articles about the industry. It seems you can't have any post/article about vet med that doesn't accuse vets of being money grubbing or in the pockets of big pharma or the pet food industry.

I used to try to educate people, but I now realize the futility of trying to explain.
 
StartingoverVet said:
I can't even stand to see those comments on public articles about the industry. It seems you can't have any post/article about vet med that doesn't accuse vets of being money grubbing or in the pockets of big pharma or the pet food industry.

I used to try to educate people, but I now realize the futility of trying to explain.
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yeah...pet food industry....my boss laughs whenever someone thinks she's pushing prescription diets because Hill's is paying off her loans. It's just UGH. I didn't want to argue with a client and irritate him even more. I'm the type of person who hates walking away from a spat in which I couldn't even get my words across to the other person. $500 an hour....lol.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
I don't think my parents even really know the salary window I'll likely be in, but now that things are snowballing, they see that I'm under a lot of stress with the loans. Side rant: My finaid package is ready to be viewed....but I can't access it because Illinois hasn't sent me my login credentials yet...
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My mom insists that I'm going to be rich with my own practice, own a horse ranch, and build them a house on my acres and acres of land. My next response will be insisting she shares rent in my cardboard box.
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kcoughli said:
Right?? I don't know why they mailed it to her, especially because like I said they emailed me asking for my personal address... but whatever, that's water under the bridge now. I could definitely fight it more and lodge complaints or what have you, but after stressing about this for the past few hours now I'm just going to be done with it.

I'm definitely pissed off about it and if I didn't have money coming in still with my part time jobs I'd definitely have fought them on it harder, but I just don't need another stressful thing to deal with right now, and I came pretty close to yelling at the woman already when I stormed into her office. Looking at the email threads I have is making my head hurt with the stupidity. Like, just give me my money and we're all good.

But I can't deal with them anymore right now, so hopefully next fall I'll have a happy little surprise with extra $$ when they deposit my funds.
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If you haven't taken care of it yet, perhaps you could contact the people who originally issued the check and ask them to cancel it and send you a new one to your personal address? Then you could just refuse to sign the one the vet school has.
 
So annoyed about getting sass through an email from a professor after I challenged missed points, which is stated as something we can do. Yes, I do want to understand what I got wrong, but when my answer would work I'm going to ask. Especially when I'm missing the next letter grade by 0.9% for the quarter and we don't have plusses and minuses. Also, all classes are combined on tests, so we have only one grade. Don't tell me I'm just worried about my grade and not my knowledge. How about you ask clearer questions so the whole class doesn't bomb an entire case on the final!
 
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My boss had a bad seizure during work today 🙁 and slammed her head pretty hard. Here's to hoping they can figure out what's been going on with her.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
My boss had a bad seizure during work today 🙁 and slammed her head pretty hard. Here's to hoping they can figure out what's been going on with her.
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Oh wow, that's so scary. Fingers crossed it's nothing too serious.
 
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Being home for the weekend has really made me realize how much my family affected my health, both physically and mentally. I love them to death, but I'm glad that I'm a big girl now who's making better choices for herself.
 
I'm apparently double jointed in my thumb as of yesterday. And it's painful. Just when I thought things were getting maybe a little stable
 
Left Easter weekend at my parent's house early, too much yelling and not enough family time. Going to see Insurgent with my roommates instead.
 
i dont understand why i can go hiking in the woods for hours without allergy issue, but open up my porch door and i want to itch my face off and sneeze uncontrollably. grr.
 
jmo1012 said:
i dont understand why i can go hiking in the woods for hours without allergy issue, but open up my porch door and i want to itch my face off and sneeze uncontrollably. grr.
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My excuse is that I'm allergic to neighbors and that why I need to buy a giant farm in the middle of nowhere.
 
dyachei said:
Gwen, sorry to hear it. Hope you have fun at the movies 🙂
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It's been the norm for 14 years. Now I have my own car and the courage to stand up for myself.
 
I spent my weekend being sick and unproductive on my master's project. It doesn't help that my advisor didn't actually read the draft I gave him and was clearly winging it on Friday at our meeting. That's really frustrating because we rescheduled our meeting THREE times so he could have the time to do a "thorough read." Part of me doesn't care anymore. I'll do the work and make it a decent project. He just needs to show up at the defense and let me pass so I can get my damn degree.
 
My housing for my summer externship fell through and now I'm back to square one, but with less time to figure it out. I'm starting to freak out! Just let me and my animals come stay with you for a few months, friendly random Chicagoan!
 
kcoughli said:
My housing for my summer externship fell through and now I'm back to square one, but with less time to figure it out. I'm starting to freak out! Just let me and my animals come stay with you for a few months, friendly random Chicagoan!
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i still havent figured out where i'm going to live for my internship next year (june) :-/ i cant visit due to time/expense, and everywhere i've found that sounds like they'd be some what affordable ends up actually being $100-200 more than what they listed.
 
Roommates and sharing a car between three people. That is all.
 
Having homework assignments consistently for the first time in 5 years. I almost want the normal midterm-final testing schedule back. I'm also just a little tired of reading primary research article after article. Don't get me wrong, I 100% understand the importance of evidence based medicine and having the ability to critique an article, but there's only so much a non-researchy person can handle in one sitting. I'm also just super tired in general and am probably still at some stage in the grieving process, so I'm just meh.
 
jmo1012 said:
i still havent figured out where i'm going to live for my internship next year (june) :-/ i cant visit due to time/expense, and everywhere i've found that sounds like they'd be some what affordable ends up actually being $100-200 more than what they listed.
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I've already told you this, I think but if you need a place to crash temporarily...
 
orca2011 said:
Having homework assignments consistently for the first time in 5 years. I almost want the normal midterm-final testing schedule back. I'm also just a little tired of reading primary research article after article. Don't get me wrong, I 100% understand the importance of evidence based medicine and having the ability to critique an article, but there's only so much a non-researchy person can handle in one sitting. I'm also just super tired in general and am probably still at some stage in the grieving process, so I'm just meh.
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I thought fourth year would see the end of homework. Sure I figured I'd be reading up on info relevant to my patients but I didn't anticipate every single rotation requiring some sort of presentation. And I thought I'd finally have a presentation-free block this time since I'm on an externship but nope, they want one too.
 
Coquette22 said:
I thought fourth year would see the end of homework. Sure I figured I'd be reading up on info relevant to my patients but I didn't anticipate every single rotation requiring some sort of presentation. And I thought I'd finally have a presentation-free block this time since I'm on an externship but nope, they want one too.
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I had to do a presentation for my one externship as well so you're not alone on that front. I think a few rotations here have you do a group project or something but I'm not 100% sure on that.
 
Ugh wetlab planning/scheduling... why do I need to ask someone three separate times what sort of materials they need? Why do I need to send a reminder email to get a response EVERY single time I email you? I'm tired of thinking of enthusiastic ways to say "please read my emaillssss~"

If you don't want to freaking do the wetlab, I would have happily found someone else. Just stop making this so painful. ._.
 
Coquette22 said:
I thought fourth year would see the end of homework. Sure I figured I'd be reading up on info relevant to my patients but I didn't anticipate every single rotation requiring some sort of presentation. And I thought I'd finally have a presentation-free block this time since I'm on an externship but nope, they want one too.
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Yeah. We don't have as many as it sounds like you have, but..... I feel like they aren't a good investment in time. I inevitably spend a lot of time on it (time that should , imo, be "off" time) and get only minimal learning out of it. The time:education ratio is way off for those types of projects. And back when I was feeling the pressure of boards it really frustrated me to lose that study time.

I feel like some rotations do them just because they feel like they should, not because there's any real intentional education behind it.
 
The "coffee" style for SDN has disappeared (at least for me), and I sincerely hope it's temporary, because there's no way I can stand all this white.

:arghh:
 
Ashgirl said:
The "coffee" style for SDN has disappeared (at least for me), and I sincerely hope it's temporary, because there's no way I can stand all this white.

:arghh:
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Try old school. Less white than the universal or blue styles.
 
Guys. Question for you. As some of you know, I was offered the dual DVM/PhD with the added incentive that the last two years of DVM tuition would be waived. I spent the beginning of the is semester hemming and hawing about the decision as I had just planned to get in and get out and get to practicing medicine as I am in my thirties. I love research, so I finally thought "What the hell. It will take me an extra set of years, 3 at the minimum, and save me ~$70,000 extra debt. Good enough trade off." I filled out the grad form with everyone telling me that DVM students are automatically accepted. Huh. Until it was found that I just did my prereqs and the Grad school has rules.

So everyone on DVM side was still positive that since I would finish DVM degree before PhD, it shouldn't be a big deal. Almost a month later, and I am freaking out that they are likely to say no (no communication to me at all, not to mention I lost the added benefit of a TA position because they had to go ahead with offers) and I have spent the last year in lab instead of getting practical experience. I finally learned Monday that they were set to tell me no because they thought I was a first year... One look at my actual transcripts shows that I have completed 1.5 years of DVM and am a rising third year, not to mention we can only apply to that program after second year. The reply when DVM folk told them this fact was, "OH! That's different! We will reevaluate the application."

Needless to say, I am slightly PO'd and am ready to flip the bird at all involved and get back to vet med. But oh, the monies! What would you guys do, assuming of course the grad side doesn't find some other reason that I am not good enough?
 
Lupin21 said:
Guys. Question for you. As some of you know, I was offered the dual DVM/PhD with the added incentive that the last two years of DVM tuition would be waived. I spent the beginning of the is semester hemming and hawing about the decision as I had just planned to get in and get out and get to practicing medicine as I am in my thirties. I love research, so I finally thought "What the hell. It will take me an extra set of years, 3 at the minimum, and save me ~$70,000 extra debt. Good enough trade off." I filled out the grad form with everyone telling me that DVM students are automatically accepted. Huh. Until it was found that I just did my prereqs and the Grad school has rules.

So everyone on DVM side was still positive that since I would finish DVM degree before PhD, it shouldn't be a big deal. Almost a month later, and I am freaking out that they are likely to say no (no communication to me at all, not to mention I lost the added benefit of a TA position because they had to go ahead with offers) and I have spent the last year in lab instead of getting practical experience. I finally learned Monday that they were set to tell me no because they thought I was a first year... One look at my actual transcripts shows that I have completed 1.5 years of DVM and am a rising third year, not to mention we can only apply to that program after second year. The reply when DVM folk told them this fact was, "OH! That's different! We will reevaluate the application."

Needless to say, I am slightly PO'd and am ready to flip the bird at all involved and get back to vet med. But oh, the monies! What would you guys do, assuming of course the grad side doesn't find some other reason that I am not good enough?
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Well, what I would do isn't necessarily the best way for you to decide. Mostly because I am NOT research minded or interested in doing research in the slightest. Basically they'd have to offer me way more than $70K to take on 3 more years of school and do research.

I guess you need to take some time to write out a pro/con list. What will the PhD do for you? How does it help you in where you want to go with your career? Will it advance it or not make any difference at all? Take a step back and ask honestly of yourself what you are expecting to get from the PhD and if it is worthwhile. 70K is a good chunk of change (especially once interest is added into it) but is it worth the 3 years of extra school if you will never use the PhD within your career?
 
DVMDream said:
Well, what I would do isn't necessarily the best way for you to decide. Mostly because I am NOT research minded or interested in doing research in the slightest. Basically they'd have to offer me way more than $70K to take on 3 more years of school and do research.

I guess you need to take some time to write out a pro/con list. What will the PhD do for you? How does it help you in where you want to go with your career? Will it advance it or not make any difference at all? Take a step back and ask honestly of yourself what you are expecting to get from the PhD and if it is worthwhile. 70K is a good chunk of change (especially once interest is added into it) but is it worth the 3 years of extra school if you will never use the PhD within your career?
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I think that is why my brain is having such a hard time with this. I love teaching and academia, but I love GP just as much. And that isn't even to say that during clinics I don't find myself adoring something in particular and wanting to specialize. I have always been a jack of all trades, and it has gotten me far in life. Now though, it is biting me in the ass because I can't decide on anything since I could see myself in any and all positions.
 
that redhead said:
My sister got another dog: a puppy from a pet store. Because her boyfriend "really wanted him".
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As someone from a family that has owned and operated pet stores for over 100 years, we aren't all bad. 🙂. Granted, I would have to know the store to truly judge them. Not all pet stores fall into the stereotypes.
 
FOR THE LOVE OF...

That award issue I posted about previously, that was supposed to go to me but the school got their hands on it and wouldn't let go?

Yeah, they retroactively applied it to this past year's tuition.

The one thing I SPENT HOURS trying to make sure DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I am so livid right now.
 
kcoughli said:
FOR THE LOVE OF...

That award issue I posted about previously, that was supposed to go to me but the school got their hands on it and wouldn't let go?

Yeah, they retroactively applied it to this past year's tuition.

The one thing I SPENT HOURS trying to make sure DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I am so livid right now.
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I think it's time to go cut a bitch.
 
Lupin21 said:
Guys. Question for you. As some of you know, I was offered the dual DVM/PhD with the added incentive that the last two years of DVM tuition would be waived. I spent the beginning of the is semester hemming and hawing about the decision as I had just planned to get in and get out and get to practicing medicine as I am in my thirties. I love research, so I finally thought "What the hell. It will take me an extra set of years, 3 at the minimum, and save me ~$70,000 extra debt. Good enough trade off." I filled out the grad form with everyone telling me that DVM students are automatically accepted. Huh. Until it was found that I just did my prereqs and the Grad school has rules.

So everyone on DVM side was still positive that since I would finish DVM degree before PhD, it shouldn't be a big deal. Almost a month later, and I am freaking out that they are likely to say no (no communication to me at all, not to mention I lost the added benefit of a TA position because they had to go ahead with offers) and I have spent the last year in lab instead of getting practical experience. I finally learned Monday that they were set to tell me no because they thought I was a first year... One look at my actual transcripts shows that I have completed 1.5 years of DVM and am a rising third year, not to mention we can only apply to that program after second year. The reply when DVM folk told them this fact was, "OH! That's different! We will reevaluate the application."

Needless to say, I am slightly PO'd and am ready to flip the bird at all involved and get back to vet med. But oh, the monies! What would you guys do, assuming of course the grad side doesn't find some other reason that I am not good enough?
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Update: The grad school has said yes. I went with the only method I know in making decisions. A flip of the coin later I am indeed a DVM/PhD estudiante. Thanks @DVMDream for your support last night! It was much appreciated. 🙂
 
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Lupin21 said:
Update: The grad school has said yes. I went with the only method I know in making decisions. A flip of the coin later I am indeed a DVM/PhD. Thanks @DVMDream for your support last night! It was much appreciated. 🙂
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Do you find when you're waiting for the coin to fall...you find out what you're kinda hoping for?
 
Caia said:
Do you find when you're waiting for the coin to fall...you find out what you're kinda hoping for?
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Nope. The point of it is to help with a decision I am truly on the fence about. For everything else, I know when I lean one way over another and there is no need for the coin.
 
Lupin21 said:
Nope. The point of it is to help with a decision I am truly on the fence about. For everything else, I know when I lean one way over another and there is no need for the coin.
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That is really interesting. I have to find out which way I'm leaning usually. For whatever reason, I can't consciously figure that out.
 
Caia said:
That is really interesting. I have to find out which way I'm leaning usually. For whatever reason, I can't consciously figure that out.
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I think for myself, I am pretty good friends with my gut and sub conscience since I spend a great deal of time alone with my thoughts and have since I was little. I notice that when I lose too much alone time, it gets really hard to listen to instincts and act accordingly. It would be an interesting experiment to see how people do with intuition and decision making after they have spent a great deal of time alone vs in a constant group environment.

ETA: It is also entirely possible that I am simply a freak, and I have accepted that as well. :heckyeah:
 
Caia said:
Do you find when you're waiting for the coin to fall...you find out what you're kinda hoping for?
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I do this, but it's more like if I'm on the fence about something, I'll flip a coin and when it lands I realize maybe I wasn't as on the fence as I thought and I was really leaning one way or the other.
 
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