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@Aprilthearab , @hallowmann , @mammalade, @vetschoolsletmeinplease
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I've made a post explaining my voting history, and I'll elaborate on any points if someone has specific questions. And I think something was done to me last night.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I've made a post explaining my voting history, and I'll elaborate on any points if someone has specific questions. And I think something was done to me last night.

What was it? And what do you mean you "think"?

 

[mammalade]

What was it? And what do you mean you "think"?

Well it's kind of confusing because it doesn't tell me how it happened, I essentially got lost

 

[Aprilthearab]

Well it's kind of confusing because it doesn't tell me how it happened, I essentially got lost

It almost sounds like Shorty's misdirection ability but if you weren't trying to use an action. But if I recall, Shorty didn't use it last night?

 

[Aprilthearab]

Well it's kind of confusing because it doesn't tell me how it happened, I essentially got lost

Were you on your way to do an action, or?

 

[Randomizereh]

Well it's kind of confusing because it doesn't tell me how it happened, I essentially got lost

Were you trying to do something? Or you were just in your room and you felt lost?

 

[The_Breadmann]

Well it's kind of confusing because it doesn't tell me how it happened, I essentially got lost

Forgot, wasn't there another post about fog or somethibg?

 

[Randomizereh]

Forgot, wasn't there another post about fog or somethibg?

not that I can recall, there is my vapor-blocking ability

 

[supershorty]

It almost sounds like Shorty's misdirection ability but if you weren't trying to use an action. But if I recall, Shorty didn't use it last night?

I did not use it last night. If mammal was redirected, it came from a source other than me.

I assume if someone had stolen my ability, I would have gotten a message to that effect? @Randomizereh , when lumya stole your ability, were you notified that it had been taken?

 

[kaydubs]

Day 9: Even the Wisest Can Make an Error Yeet Tally

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[Randomizereh]

I did not use it last night. If mammal was redirected, it came from a source other than me.

I assume if someone had stolen my ability, I would have gotten a message to that effect? @Randomizereh , when lumya stole your ability, were you notified that it had been taken?

I was notified that it had been 'used', which from that I deduced that someone had stolen it..

 

[Aprilthearab]

Considering Bread was put in anvils and we think Hallow is responsible for the bugs/tricks stuff, it seems Mammal is the last of us who doesn't have a claimed ability who could be responsible for anvils, unless someone put themselves in anvils to lessen the suspicion.

Known/claimed abilities:

Alley - reflection
Random - blocking (vapor)
Hallow - ???
TME - vigilante
Shorty - redirection
April - ??? (claims vanilla)
mammal - ???
vetschool - batscan (beeps)
bread - ???

Unaccounted for: anvils, orchids, shove in room, bugs announcements?
(it's possible some of these are deceased or overlap with other abilities, but I haven't identified the source of these)

I agree: I went back and updated Enigma's list of abilities used on each day:

Anvils
N1: Aprilthearab
N2: kraskadva
N3: Randomizereh
N4: holdthemayo
N5: Nas
N6: Bread
N7: Randomizereh
N8: Vetschoolplz

Stuffed in a room
N1:
N2: Matt
N3: Samac
N4: kras
N5: Samac
N6:
N7:
N8: Enigma

Orchids
N1:
N2:
N3:
N4: M395
N5:
N6: Bread
N7:
N8:

Trick/Bug announcement

N1:
N2: --
N3: Lawpy
N4: Hallowmann (trick?)
N5: Hallowmann (trick?)
N6: --
N7: Random
N8: Bread

Based on this, unless someone has the ability to use 2 abilities on each night, there are definitely 4 different/separate abilities going on here. I don't think I sus April right now, but if I don't get any answers soon about what's going on (this orchid sitch is driving me crazy) I might start to think differently...

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

It almost sounds like Shorty's misdirection ability but if you weren't trying to use an action. But if I recall, Shorty didn't use it last night?

when I was misdirected, the message I got was basically that I went to aim at shorty and then was aiming at samac. But the writeup mentioned getting "distracted" and going to the wrong door

 

[supershorty]

I was notified that it had been 'used', which from that I deduced that someone had stolen it..

Hmm, okay. I don't have any messages from last night so I don't think anyone messed with me to be able to use my redirect...

Is it possible that someone else can redirect too? Or has some sort of amnesic ability?

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

I said it earlier, but if you're a villager at this point I don't see the value of hiding abilities anymore. maybe someone has a different idea, but seeing as the wolf/wolves know who they are and their own abilities, there's probably enough info on their end to know (almost exactly) who has what ability

If someone thinks this is a bad idea then feel free to say otherwise

 

[Aprilthearab]

I said it earlier, but if you're a villager at this point I don't see the value of hiding abilities anymore. maybe someone has a different idea, but seeing as the wolf/wolves know who they are and their own abilities, there's probably enough info on their end to know (almost exactly) who has what ability

If someone thinks this is a bad idea then feel free to say otherwise

This is why I'm inclined to think Bread or Mammal are wolf because there are abilities unaccounted for and they're last on the list besides Hallow who we think we've accounted for.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

This is why I'm inclined to think Bread or Mammal are wolf because there are abilities unaccounted for and they're last on the list besides Hallow who we think we've accounted for.

you're really, truly sure you have no ability at all? We know there's 4 actions out there unaccounted for, and 4 players if we include yourself. I want to believe you, but the puzzle pieces just aren't fitting unless someone already accounted for has two actions

 

[supershorty]

you're really, truly sure you have no ability at all? We know there's 4 actions out there unaccounted for, and 4 players if we include yourself. I want to believe you, but the puzzle pieces just aren't fitting unless someone already accounted for has two actions

I just asked my manator if players can have more than one ability, I'll let you know what the word is. I really want to believe April, but it just doesn't add up for her to be vanilla if players can only have 1 ability.

 

[Aprilthearab]

you're really, truly sure you have no ability at all? We know there's 4 actions out there unaccounted for, and 4 players if we include yourself. I want to believe you, but the puzzle pieces just aren't fitting unless someone already accounted for has two actions

I can promise you I'm vanilla. I actually was quite panicked when the game started because of all the talk of night actions that I didn't understand. I asked my manator what in the world a night action was and how I used it. They explained to me that I have no action to use but can send the mods fun "actions" (like I ate too many stuffed shells and was rather useless for the night) just for the heck of it.

 

[Randomizereh]

I just asked my manator if players can have more than one ability, I'll let you know what the word is. I really want to believe April, but it just doesn't add up for her to be vanilla if players can only have 1 ability.

The only thing that worries me is that based on the abilities used and which nights they were used; ex: orchids were placed the same night someone was stuffed in a room, or tricks were placed the same night as orchids.
Therefore, it may be possible for players to have more than one ability, but I think it would be extremely broken if multiple could be used in one night.

 

[mammalade]

I said it earlier, but if you're a villager at this point I don't see the value of hiding abilities anymore. maybe someone has a different idea, but seeing as the wolf/wolves know who they are and their own abilities, there's probably enough info on their end to know (almost exactly) who has what ability

If someone thinks this is a bad idea then feel free to say otherwise

The wolves might be close to knowing but don't know exactly. If there are 8 players left then there are probably 6-7 villagers (unless there's some 3p's then maybe less, but at least 6-7 non-wolves, and 1-2 wolves). And maybe I'm dumb but I only know what 2 or 3 people do with relative-ish certainty (unless they're lying), but maybe wolves have more information than me to narrow it down more. I'm asking my manator about role revealing and the odds that the wolves have figured me out since they maybe messed with me last night

 

[Randomizereh]

They explained to me that I have no action to use but can send the mods fun "actions" (like I ate too many stuffed shells and was rather useless for the night) just for the heck of it.

Ahaha idk if this is true but that sounds rather fun 😀

 

[Randomizereh]

I'M SO CONFUSED

So I looked up what white orchids could symbolize and if they played part in any cartoons (which I can't find if anyone else wants to give it a try), but apparently white orchids represent "purity, innocence". We know that M395 was a villager before he was turned, and I really want to believe that Bread is a villager (though I have no proof).... But I could just be making conspiracy stories to try to explain things that just don't make sense to me

 

[supershorty]

On N5, I received a message that I lost my ability to use an ability on N6 (sorry if that's confusing). If samac were alive, she would confirm this, as I had a mayor chat with her that day. I didn't think much of this and assumed that someone just had an ability to block users from using abilities. However, on N6 I woke up to find that I could not longer use an ability I had. What ability did I lose? I lost my blocking ability. Strange, but again I thought nothing of it. Then my manator told me to think more about what happened. Then it dawned on me; what if someone had STOLEN my ability? Enigma was blocked by vapors on N6. I hadn't used this ability yet, and this is the first time vapors were mentioned as a blocking tactic. My suspicions were confirmed when lumya's ability was discovered by her death due to kras (THANK YOU for your noble sacrifice btw), and her ability to "target a player to steal their ability on odd nights".

Question for you: is there more to your ability than just the vapor block?

 

[Randomizereh]

Question for you: is there more to your ability than just the vapor block?

😉 I will reveal more once I hear more stories

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

The wolves might be close to knowing but don't know exactly. If there are 8 players left then there are probably 6-7 villagers (unless there's some 3p's then maybe less, but at least 6-7 non-wolves, and 1-2 wolves). And maybe I'm dumb but I only know what 2 or 3 people do with relative-ish certainty (unless they're lying), but maybe wolves have more information than me to narrow it down more. I'm asking my manator about role revealing and the odds that the wolves have figured me out since they maybe messed with me last night

my thoughts: of the 8 remaining players, 4 of us have professed to have some specific ability, though we could of course be lying. of these, ones I think we can confirm pretty solidly:
vetsplz - batscanning. Everything they've said so far has checked out between multiple players, and they called out a wolf, so I think this is the safest confirmation.
Me - vigilante. I suppose i could always be hiding a second ability, but i think it's pretty clear by now that I did what I did, even if some will question my motives.
Shorty - redirection. Other than shorty's statements I don't think we can confidently answer questions about its directedness and whether it was used last night, but i think it's pretty safe to say they have this ability even if we don't know all the details

Soft confirms/strongly suspected abilities:
Random - vapor blocking. This is a little harder to pin down since it's only supposedly been used once, by lumya, on me, so it's possible there's something odd going on, but I think so far it checks out, and no one else has tried to claim this ability as their own. As shorty pointed out, they could have an extra ability.
Hallows - bugs/tricks. not sure what the end goal of this one is, but so far it seems to check out.

that leaves ~3 unassigned actions, and 3 un-abilitied players. if the wolves have one (or more) of the remaining abilities, they've got at least a 50/50 shot of guessing yours. Knowing more about the abilities each villager has, and how they were used, can help us sus out the remaining wolves. We're approaching the end game at this point, so I think more knowledge is valuable. Definitely see what your manator says though, because they know more about your role than I do

 

[Randomizereh]

Hallows - bugs/tricks. not sure what the end goal of this one is, but so far it seems to check out.

I'm inclined to believe that either Bread or Hallows is Bugs. Hallows not responding to my comments is making me sus that it's him, but I have no direct proof its either Hallows or Bread (unless someone would like to step forward....)

 

[Aprilthearab]

my thoughts: of the 8 remaining players, 4 of us have professed to have some specific ability, though we could of course be lying. of these, ones I think we can confirm pretty solidly:
vetsplz - batscanning. Everything they've said so far has checked out between multiple players, and they called out a wolf, so I think this is the safest confirmation.
Me - vigilante. I suppose i could always be hiding a second ability, but i think it's pretty clear by now that I did what I did, even if some will question my motives.
Shorty - redirection. Other than shorty's statements I don't think we can confidently answer questions about its directedness and whether it was used last night, but i think it's pretty safe to say they have this ability even if we don't know all the details

Soft confirms/strongly suspected abilities:
Random - vapor blocking. This is a little harder to pin down since it's only supposedly been used once, by lumya, on me, so it's possible there's something odd going on, but I think so far it checks out, and no one else has tried to claim this ability as their own. As shorty pointed out, they could have an extra ability.
Hallows - bugs/tricks. not sure what the end goal of this one is, but so far it seems to check out.

that leaves ~3 unassigned actions, and 3 un-abilitied players. if the wolves have one (or more) of the remaining abilities, they've got at least a 50/50 shot of guessing yours. Knowing more about the abilities each villager has, and how they were used, can help us sus out the remaining wolves. We're approaching the end game at this point, so I think more knowledge is valuable. Definitely see what your manator says though, because they know more about your role than I do

It is also likely that those with the remaining abilities are wolves and that's why they're not coming forward. It seems like Random is about to come forward and claim another (???) So that leaves two abilities and three people. Since I know I'm village, it points to bread and mammal.

 

[Randomizereh]

It seems like Random is about to come forward and claim another (???) So that leaves two abilities and three people. Since I know I'm village, it points to bread and mammal.

The other abilities that have been performed, I will NOT claim; I did not do them. Therefore there are still three abilities and three players.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

It is also likely that those with the remaining abilities are wolves and that's why they're not coming forward. It seems like Random is about to come forward and claim another (???) So that leaves two abilities and three people. Since I know I'm village, it points to bread and mammal.

I also don't know that this is true. I think there's a good chance that the room-shover is not a wolf for example. hard to know for sure, but it seems that that action has been used for protective purposes at least for the masons

 

[supershorty]

I also don't know that this is true. I think there's a good chance that the room-shover is not a wolf for example. hard to know for sure, but it seems that that action has been used for protective purposes at least for the masons

It wouldn't surprise me if it was protective for M935 too - keeping an experienced player safe would make sense.

 

[The_Breadmann]

I'm inclined to believe that either Bread or Hallows is Bugs. Hallows not responding to my comments is making me sus that it's him, but I have no direct proof its either Hallows or Bread (unless someone would like to step forward....)

I can tell you that i am not bugs bunny

 

[The_Breadmann]

It wouldn't surprise me if it was protective for M935 too - keeping an experienced player safe would make sense.

Or does the ability work to prevent actions as well if the person was suspicious of M935?

 

[The_Breadmann]

I'm inclined to believe that either Bread or Hallows is Bugs. Hallows not responding to my comments is making me sus that it's him, but I have no direct proof its either Hallows or Bread (unless someone would like to step forward....)

And bugs was calling out hallowman in the reviews(at least 1 night i think)

 

[Randomizereh]

I also don't know that this is true. I think there's a good chance that the room-shover is not a wolf for example. hard to know for sure, but it seems that that action has been used for protective purposes at least for the masons

It wouldn't surprise me if it was protective for M935 too - keeping an experienced player safe would make sense.

Or does the ability work to prevent actions as well if the person was suspicious of M935?

I'm pretty sure the room-shoving ability is non-wolf, and is protective. Samac was put in the room twice, and kras once, and this would especially make sense since this person probably wanted to protect the mayor/masons after sloth died. The ability does prevent actions, as Samac mentioned that she couldn't use her healing powers on nights she was stuck in the room, but based on who it was used on and the frequency of them I an inclined to believe that they were

 

[Randomizereh]

And bugs was calling out hallowman in the reviews(at least 1 night i think)

Bugs called out hallowman two nights in a row, on N4 and N5, which I just can't wrap my head around why

 

[The_Breadmann]

Bugs called out hallowman two nights in a row, on N4 and N5, which I just can't wrap my head around why

Not calling suspicion, just not sure if hallow is bugs

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Not calling suspicion, just not sure if hallow is bugs

i think the reason we've suspected it is because samac seems to have had some conviction that hallows is 3P and could make sense with the bugs identity. But I have yet to see something that strongly convinces me. Could even be April is bugs for all we know

 

[Aprilthearab]

i think the reason we've suspected it is because samac seems to have had some conviction that hallows is 3P and could make sense with the bugs identity. But I have yet to see something that strongly convinces me. Could even be April is bugs for all we know

I kind of wish I was bugs, that would be one heck of a manipulative power. However, I know I'm not, as can be seen by the time I voted to yeet hallow because I missed the part in the writeup that said Bugs called him out. I might be scatterbrained but I wouldn't forget something like that if I was the one who did it lol

 

[supershorty]

I kind of wish I was bugs, that would be one heck of a manipulative power. However, I know I'm not, as can be seen by the time I voted to yeet hallow because I missed the part in the writeup that said Bugs called him out. I might be scatterbrained but I wouldn't forget something like that if I was the one who did it lol

I'm not sure that necessarily disqualifies you from being Bugs.

 

[mammalade]

Sorry I haven’t posted a lot today, I’ve been chatting up my mandator. So I think the wolves maybe figured out what I can do, or at least were suspicious of me. I think it makes sense to role reveal now because if I’m voted out today then we lose a villager in the day and the wolves probably kill again at night, so that’s two villagers, but if I role reveal and we manage to vote out a wolf then hopefully we win (if there was one wolf) or are closer to winning, unless we end up voting for a different villager and still loose two villagers (from voting and wolves).

I’m behind the orchids, if I successfully give one to a wolf then they are weakened the next night. I can give them on even nights. On N2 I gave one to Cessna, they didn’t mention seeing the orchid so I thought they could be a wolf hiding that they got the orchid, but I didn’t want to come out and say why I thought that in order to not reveal my ability, plus they were bandwagoned so there was no need for me to try to convince anyone… but then Cessna was a villager so idk. On N4 I tried to give one to M935, as I mentioned on D4 I voted for M935 primarily to abstain but figured what the heck, they could be a wolf, and I don’t think the flowers hurt non-wolves if they weren’t one. But instead I found their dead body. Then on N6 I tried giving one to breads, I’ve voiced suspicion of breads before, but I found a bunch of anvils and left it near there. On N8 I tried to give one to April because I wasn’t sure about the vanillager claim but I ended up getting confused so I don’t think they got it.

 

[supershorty]

Sorry I haven’t posted a lot today, I’ve been chatting up my mandator. So I think the wolves maybe figured out what I can do, or at least were suspicious of me. I think it makes sense to role reveal now because if I’m voted out today then we lose a villager in the day and the wolves probably kill again at night, so that’s two villagers, but if I role reveal and we manage to vote out a wolf then hopefully we win (if there was one wolf) or are closer to winning, unless we end up voting for a different villager and still loose two villagers (from voting and wolves).

I’m behind the orchids, if I successfully give one to a wolf then they are weakened the next night. I can give them on even nights. On N2 I gave one to Cessna, they didn’t mention seeing the orchid so I thought they could be a wolf hiding that they got the orchid, but I didn’t want to come out and say why I thought that in order to not reveal my ability, plus they were bandwagoned so there was no need for me to try to convince anyone… but then Cessna was a villager so idk. On N4 I tried to give one to M935, as I mentioned on D4 I voted for M935 primarily to abstain but figured what the heck, they could be a wolf, and I don’t think the flowers hurt non-wolves if they weren’t one. But instead I found their dead body. Then on N6 I tried giving one to breads, I’ve voiced suspicion of breads before, but I found a bunch of anvils and left it near there. On N8 I tried to give one to April because I wasn’t sure about the vanillager claim but I ended up getting confused so I don’t think they got it.

So the flowers weaken wolves ... meaning their action is less likely to be successful?

And nothing happens to a villager if you give them a flower?

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

if thats true (I'm inclined to believe it is, but we can never be sure) that still leaves anvils, room-shover, and bugs unclaimed, between hallow, breads, and april

 

[Aprilthearab]

On N8 I tried to give one to April because I wasn’t sure about the vanillager claim but I ended up getting confused so I don’t think they got it.

That's correct, I never got one.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Now thast we know anvils can protect people (makes you inaccessible), what if Bread put anvils around himself?

 

[kaydubs]

Day 9: Even the Wisest Can Make an Error Yeet Tally

???

0/8

Leading: --

Missing: ALL

Yeet/Vote closes at 9pm Eastern (~5 hours)

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Now thast we know anvils can protect people (makes you inaccessible), what if Bread put anvils around himself?

I don't know that we know for a fact that the flower didn't work - he did find it in the morning, and we don't have confirmation that he completed an action the following night. we don't really know the exact mechanism of the flower. However, I would suspect that if it did work, breads wouldn't have announced it to the group, unless the effect wasn't known at the time

[edit: don't instead of did]

 

[The_Breadmann]

Nope, i lock people in my room to hang out. I can target anyone but can't target people on consecutive nights

 

[supershorty]

I'm starting to feel very skeptical that there's really a total vanilla left at this point in the game.

 

[The_Breadmann]

Would be wordier but gotta fix an error at work real fast