Saturday Morning Cartoons - 7th Annual Noob WW Game

[The_Breadmann]

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I think the reason why I thought Bread was innocent (just me tho) is based on the fact that lumya voted for Bread two days in a row (and was the only one too). Maybe this is an act to throw suspicion off Bread, and I agree I don't have a total read on Bread, but the fact that mammal threw Bread in anvils last night makes me feel that mammal was worried that Bread might hide vet schools (a guaranteed villager). Therefore, bread shouldn't be wolf (though I've been wrong before sad)

I kinda wanted to hide vet, but also did not since my ability blocks people from using abilities.

 

[hallowmann]

Bread, wasn't the green ranger evil at first?

 

[hallowmann]

I don't know, I'm grasping at straws.

 

[supershorty]

Bread, wasn't the green ranger evil at first?

I realize I'm not bread, but Wikipedia confirms this:

"Tommy Oliver is a fictional character and the overarching main protagonist of the American live-action television franchise Power Rangers. He is best known as being the original Green Ranger and the first evil Ranger who fought and nearly defeated the original Power Rangers while under the control of Rita Repulsa. He was eventually freed from Rita’s spell and aligned himself with the other Power Rangers.[2][3]"

Not that wikipedia is the world's best source, but we're not writing a publication

 

[The_Breadmann]

Wouldn't it be dependent on which power ranger series?

 

[The_Breadmann]

I realize I'm not bread, but Wikipedia confirms this:

"Tommy Oliver is a fictional character and the overarching main protagonist of the American live-action television franchise Power Rangers. He is best known as being the original Green Ranger and the first evil Ranger who fought and nearly defeated the original Power Rangers while under the control of Rita Repulsa. He was eventually freed from Rita’s spell and aligned himself with the other Power Rangers.[2][3]"

Not that wikipedia is the world's best source, but we're not writing a publication

You are getting pretty desperate with your defense though

 

[supershorty]

You are getting pretty desperate with your defense though

Hmm.. I'm not the one whose character was revealed to have been evil though 🤔

Although I don't really know the actual significance of characters in WW games, to be fair

 

[The_Breadmann]

Hmm.. I'm not the one whose character was revealed to have been evil though 🤔

If you even reveal your real character. You went into very great detail as to who your character is and exactly why they had the ability

 

[The_Breadmann]

Hmm.. I'm not the one whose character was revealed to have been evil though 🤔

Although I don't really know the actual significance of characters in WW games, to be fair

And if the green ranger may have been bad, he was not the main villain in the show

 

[supershorty]

If you even reveal your real character. You went into very great detail as to who your character is and exactly why they had the ability

If you're going to be sus of that, then why not be sus of everyone else who also did that? There were plenty of character and ability reveals. That would be an awful big risk for a wolf to take.

Your deflection as we get closer to vote time is interesting, though.

 

[The_Breadmann]

If you're going to be sus of that, then why not be sus of everyone else who also did that? There were plenty of character and ability reveals. That would be an awful big risk for a wolf to take.

Your deflection as we get closer to vote time is interesting, though.

You and random were the main wants that had massive text walls. But random would have needed it to explain his ability since theirs broke down into multiple. I have also carefully used my ability rather than use it haphazardly. That being said it does sound like a wolf ability from a statistics stand point since unless you have parity, a deflected ability has a higher chance of hitting villagers rather than wolves especially if you are not counted as possible targets.

 

[supershorty]

You and random were the main wants that had massive text walls. But random would have needed it to explain his ability since theirs broke down into multiple. I have also carefully used my ability rather than use it haphazardly. That being said it does sound like a wolf ability from a statistics stand point since unless you have parity, a deflected ability has a higher chance of hitting villagers rather than wolves especially if you are not counted as possible targets.

By your own logic, I can't be a wolf because I redirected TME and hit a wolf with it.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

I looked into the green ranger thing before, he did start evil but apparently became one of the most popular non-evil power rangers (during/after season 1 I think?) according to that same Wikipedia article. But I think it does depend on which season as they change around. Idk that much about power rangers

 

[Randomizereh]

*I'm totally not cranky cuz my boyfriend just woke me up in the middle of the fattest nap, whereafter I tried in a desperate attempt to fall asleep anywhere else, including on the floor (which he adamantly refused to let me), so def not cranky no way*
Anyway, I'm back.

Actually i thought that random was the wolf last night so i had tried to target shorty so she could not redirect. I ended up getting the anvils again and here we are and it seems like i was suspicious of random for nothing

This is actually quite strange to me. How would you have known Enigma would be targeting me?

But I had said that I wasn't going to redirect - unless you were in my head and knew I changed my mind at the last second, why would you target me? It seems like it would just be a waste of your ability for that night (remind me, do you have a recharge period with yours or can you use it on consecutive nights?).

And see? You openly said you weren't going to redirect. But you still did. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Do we know for a fact that Lawpy was a regular wolf kill? we know Mayo had an extra kill, which he could have used (hence the different MO?)
My tinfoil theory is that the orchids could be a signal of an attempted wolf kill - but they got there too late for M395. Bread's orchid is the sticking point in my theory, but maybe there's another double kill power available and they were blocked by their own anvils? seems like poor wolf communication but idk figured I'd share in case someone has an actually coherent idea

I agree, I'm pretty sure Lawpy was the extra kill by mayo, because of the different COD. However, based on the fact that Bread received an orchid after the kill was made, I have to doubt that mayo is responsible for orchids (or I would feel that would be mentioned in the write-up as well).

Also, I know nothing about power rangers 🙂

 

[supershorty]

And see? You openly said you weren't going to redirect. But you still did. It just doesn't make sense to me.

I've never denied that I did that, I just haven't been able to give an explanation that satisfies everyone because there isn't one, it was a spur-of-the-moment decision in the middle of the night that happened to pay off this time. It was something really stupid to do, and I've said that PLENTY of times.

 

[The_Breadmann]

This is actually quite strange to me. How would you have known Enigma would be targeting me?

I was suspicious and kinda just... YOLOed that enigma might too

 

[The_Breadmann]

Hence the YOLO

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

I agree, I'm pretty sure Lawpy was the extra kill by mayo, because of the different COD. However, based on the fact that Bread received an orchid after the kill was made, I have to doubt that mayo is responsible for orchids (or I would feel that would be mentioned in the write-up as well).

My theory was more that if lawpy was the extra kill, the regular wolves didn’t kill that night - the orchid was an indication that they tried for M395 and failed. Not specific to Mayo, but something the wolves would know about so Mammal could know they’d be safe claiming it as their ability when it wasn’t. But the theory falls apart for N6 unless there’s another extra kill available

 

[The_Breadmann]

And also why use your ability in a way that can hurt the village? The only time that i have used my ability in a way that was not best for the village was when i targeted alleycat to confirm her ability

 

[Randomizereh]

By your own logic, I can't be a wolf because I redirected TME and hit a wolf with it.

You and random were the main wants that had massive text walls. But random would have needed it to explain his ability since theirs broke down into multiple. I have also carefully used my ability rather than use it haphazardly. That being said it does sound like a wolf ability from a statistics stand point since unless you have parity, a deflected ability has a higher chance of hitting villagers rather than wolves especially if you are not counted as possible targets.

I'm not sure if I completely understood this part of the conversation, but let me see if I can hash it out (also if the game is really RNG, I would believe that self could count as a possible target, as long as self wasn't the initial target). Depending on the initial target, it would depend of a deflected ability has a higher chance of hitting villagers or wolves, no? Ex: last night, when I was the initial target, the redirect (if randomly selected to anyone else) would have had a 2/3 chance of hitting a villager. However, if the initial target happened to be mammal (who is confirmed wolf), a redirect would now have 5/6 chance of hitting a villager.

So, I guess a redirect does have a higher chance of hitting villagers. Idk if anything I just said made any sense

 

[The_Breadmann]

And also why use your ability in a way that can hurt the village? The only time that i have used my ability in a way that was not best for the village was when i targeted alleycat to confirm her ability

And on the first night

 

[The_Breadmann]

I'm not sure if I completely understood this part of the conversation, but let me see if I can hash it out (also if the game is really RNG, I would believe that self could count as a possible target, as long as self wasn't the initial target). Depending on the initial target, it would depend of a deflected ability has a higher chance of hitting villagers or wolves, no? Ex: last night, when I was the initial target, the redirect (if randomly selected to anyone else) would have had a 2/3 chance of hitting a villager. However, if the initial target happened to be mammal (who is confirmed wolf), a redirect would now have 5/6 chance of hitting a villager.

So, I guess a redirect does have a higher chance of hitting villagers. Idk if anything I just said made any sense

I am assuming the redirector would be safe but either way it is an ability that is always slightly more weighted against the villagers

 

[supershorty]

And also why use your ability in a way that can hurt the village? The only time that i have used my ability in a way that was not best for the village was when i targeted alleycat to confirm her ability

Who are you asking this question of?

 

[Randomizereh]

My theory was more that if lawpy was the extra kill, the regular wolves didn’t kill that night - the orchid was an indication that they tried for M395 and failed. Not specific to Mayo, but something the wolves would know about so Mammal could know they’d be safe claiming it as their ability when it wasn’t. But the theory falls apart for N6 unless there’s another extra kill available

Oh! wait hollup, mayo was (supposedly) stuck in anvils on N4. Because we now know that anvils are a wolf ability, mayo could have been lying about being stuck in anvils to cover up her kill. And I didn't realize we didn't have a normal wolf kill that night, the only thing I know is that kras was stuck in a room that night, maybe they were trying to target her and failed?

 

[The_Breadmann]

Who are you asking this question of?

You sorry, trying to wrap up work... but my irresponsible self keeps refreshing the chat every 5 kminutes

 

[The_Breadmann]

Oh! wait hollup, mayo was (supposedly) stuck in anvils on N4. Because we now know that anvils are a wolf ability, mayo could have been lying about being stuck in anvils to cover up her kill. And I didn't realize we didn't have a normal wolf kill that night, the only thing I know is that kras was stuck in a room that night, maybe they were trying to target her and failed?

I never got a notification about anything different that night

 

[supershorty]

I'm Pebbles Flintstone. I had to look her up because I couldn't figure out why Pebbles would have a badly controlled redirect and I haven't watched The Flintstones, but turns out Pebbles has a real knack for schemes that go awry - apparently she does elaborate things that then backfire, like getting herself elected mayor for a week which resulted on the whole town going on strike. Then my redirect having no control over its direction made a lot of sense

Also, @The_Breadmann , I wouldn't exactly count this as "a wall of text." It's a basic explanation of my character and of how her ability relates (and I did have to do a search to figure it out).

It is, however, a lot more open than you seem to be willing to be.

 

[supershorty]

You sorry, trying to wrap up work... but my irresponsible self keeps refreshing the chat every 5 kminutes

That seems like a question you would want to ask of TME, given that they've inadvertently hurt the village even more than I have, unless you're trying to get everyone specifically focused on me, perhaps to keep the suspicion off you.

Why not tell us more about yourself, if you're so obviously not a wolf?

 

[Randomizereh]

I never got a notification about anything different that night

Oh, do you get notified if someone tries to act on the player you're protecting?

 

[The_Breadmann]

Also, @The_Breadmann , I wouldn't exactly count this as "a wall of text." It's a basic explanation of my character and of how her ability relates (and I did have to do a search to figure it out).

It is, however, a lot more open than you seem to be willing to be.

Because I do not remember the power rangers all that much so I was not gonna try and make something up.

 

[The_Breadmann]

Oh, do you get notified if someone tries to act on the player you're protecting?

I have no clue actually, i never got a different message other than when i got stuck with anvils or if nast asked me for jelly

 

[The_Breadmann]

That seems like a question you would want to ask of TME, given that they've inadvertently hurt the village even more than I have, unless you're trying to get everyone specifically focused on me, perhaps to keep the suspicion off you.

Why not tell us more about yourself, if you're so obviously not a wolf?

That is situational. Your ability is always stacked against villagers

 

[The_Breadmann]

I really dont want to make a Difethalone standard tonight 😢

 

[supershorty]

That is situational. Your ability is always stacked against villagers

Not necessarily. I assume I could redirect a protective ability too. If wolves did something to benefit one of their own and I redirected that, it would benefit village. I think. It's not a situation that came up so I can't confirm that.

I feel a strange sense of deja vu from the other day, where people were going for either me or TME with the argument being "shorty seems sus" versus "TME has literally killed multiple villagers." Except I don't think TME is a wolf now either. I think bread is.

 

[supershorty]

Bread, why didn't you contribute more at the beginning of the game to actual wolf hunting? You spent a lot of time on puns, and voted to yeet yourself once as a joke, but you didn't seem like you actually cared about finding wolves or cultists...

 

[The_Breadmann]

Not necessarily. I assume I could redirect a protective ability too. If wolves did something to benefit one of their own and I redirected that, it would benefit village. I think. It's not a situation that came up so I can't confirm that.

I feel a strange sense of deja vu from the other day, where people were going for either me or TME with the argument being "shorty seems sus" versus "TME has literally killed multiple villagers." Except I don't think TME is a wolf now either. I think bread is.

Then you would have to know who the wolves are

 

[SportPonies]

I really dont want to make a Difethalone standard tonight 😢

Chemistry man, Chemistry man
Does whatever a chemistry man does

 

[The_Breadmann]

Bread, why didn't you contribute more at the beginning of the game to actual wolf hunting? You spent a lot of time on puns, and voted to yeet yourself once as a joke, but you didn't seem like you actually cared about finding wolves or cultists...

I had no idea what i was doing and just goofing

 

[supershorty]

I had no idea what i was doing and just goofing

Seems like a good strategy for a wolf waiting for the villagers to winnow their numbers down before coming in at the end to strike.

 

[The_Breadmann]

Seems like a good strategy for a wolf waiting for the villagers to winnow their numbers down before coming in at the end to strike.

Except i still consistently used my ability for the good of the village

 

[The_Breadmann]

Not necessarily. I assume I could redirect a protective ability too. If wolves did something to benefit one of their own and I redirected that, it would benefit village. I think. It's not a situation that came up so I can't confirm that.

I feel a strange sense of deja vu from the other day, where people were going for either me or TME with the argument being "shorty seems sus" versus "TME has literally killed multiple villagers." Except I don't think TME is a wolf now either. I think bread is.

And redirecting a powerful village ability is never good for thr village because it sabotages the village

 

[supershorty]

Except i still consistently used my ability for the good of the village

Sure, when the numbers were big enough that it wouldn't really matter.

Even your decision last night doesn't make sense if you thought there was any chance of my being a wolf - why would you target me, a potential suspect, instead of protecting vets, who was absolutely village?

 

[supershorty]

And redirecting a powerful village ability is never good for thr village because it sabotages the village

This is clearly not always the case because I killed a wolf doing this. Nothing benefits the village more than that.

 

[supershorty]

@hallowmann @Randomizereh @TelemarketingEnigma All I can tell you guys is that I've been very open with you about my decisions and thought processes, even if they didn't always make sense (like last night) or work out the way that I hoped (like when I redirected TME the first time).

Bread has been super shady this whole game, and has a renewed push on me today because people are starting to question them.

I can't tell you how to vote, but just consider who's been willing to be a team player when it comes to figuring this stuff out, and who is doing a ton of deflecting.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Oh! wait hollup, mayo was (supposedly) stuck in anvils on N4. Because we now know that anvils are a wolf ability, mayo could have been lying about being stuck in anvils to cover up her kill. And I didn't realize we didn't have a normal wolf kill that night, the only thing I know is that kras was stuck in a room that night, maybe they were trying to target her and failed?

No what I am trying to say (under my probably wrong theory) is that they tried to kill M395 but he was already dead, so they left a flower. And then maybe on N6 someone somehow tried to kill bread, but he was in anvils and therefore they couldn’t get him? Idk I don’t really think it works but it’s a thought.

But if the orchids have nothing to do with attempted kills it is possible someone tried to kill kras, yes

 

[The_Breadmann]

Sure, when the numbers were big enough that it wouldn't really matter.

Even your decision last night doesn't make sense if you thought there was any chance of my being a wolf - why would you target me, a potential suspect, instead of protecting vets, who was absolutely village?

Prevent you from redirecting to Someone else because i thought you might be a wolf

 

[The_Breadmann]

@hallowmann @Randomizereh @TelemarketingEnigma All I can tell you guys is that I've been very open with you about my decisions and thought processes, even if they didn't always make sense (like last night) or work out the way that I hoped (like when I redirected TME the first time).

Bread has been super shady this whole game, and has a renewed push on me today because people are starting to question them.

I can't tell you how to vote, but just consider who's been willing to be a team player when it comes to figuring this stuff out, and who is doing a ton of deflecting.

I have also tried to be kinda shady so that wolves would try to vote me out rather than target me

 

[The_Breadmann]

@hallowmann @Randomizereh @TelemarketingEnigma All I can tell you guys is that I've been very open with you about my decisions and thought processes, even if they didn't always make sense (like last night) or work out the way that I hoped (like when I redirected TME the first time).

Bread has been super shady this whole game, and has a renewed push on me today because people are starting to question them.

I can't tell you how to vote, but just consider who's been willing to be a team player when it comes to figuring this stuff out, and who is doing a ton of deflecting.

Your ability is literally to deflect and you have been deflecting all day

 

[supershorty]

Prevent you from redirecting to Someone else because i thought you might be a wolf

Seems like the best benefit for the village would have been protecting the confirmed villager

I have also tried to be kinda shady so that wolves would try to vote me out rather than target me

Hmmm... strange strategy.

Your ability is literally to deflect and you have been deflecting all day

Lol what? That's really rich coming from you.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

 

[The_Breadmann]

Seems like the best benefit for the village would have been protecting the confirmed villager

Hmmm... strange strategy.

Lol what? That's really rich coming from you.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

But my plan was to try and block a wolf and hoped that another confirmed villager would be able to take out a wolf. And i would have stopped a powerful villager from preforming an action last night too