Serial/Criminal Minds WW - Game Thread

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Day Two

The 911 dispatcher blinked, unsure that she had heard the caller correctly. "Sir, I'm sorry, could you repeat that?"
The man on the other end choked out the words again, "They're in...my house...so many...of them..."
"Sir, who is in your house?"
"Raccoons!"

The man was still alive when the patrol car arrived, though he was covered in bite wounds. The animals that had attacked him were nowhere to be found. He was rushed to the hospital, where his wounds were bandaged, but he refused prophylactic treatment for rabies. Something about putting mystery chemicals in his body...

A few weeks later, the same dispatcher received another strange call to the same neighborhood.
"Please send someone, my neighbor is just wandering around his backyard, yelling at nothing. And I think he hissed when his sprinklers came on? It's very strange, and it's scaring my kids."

Days later, when the man's cause of death was reported as encephalitis due to raccoon variant rabies, the BAU caught wind of the story. There had been a string of similar cases not that long ago, same story, only noticeable because rabies deaths were so rare in the US these days.

"You know," said one agent to the others as they debriefed, trying to determine if these raccoon exposures had been intentional, "Rabies isn't the only pathogen that raccoons can transmit to humans. Baylisascaris, the raccoon roundworm, can be passed through the ingestion of infected soil or feces. There have only been 30 cases since 1980, but it almost invariably causes severe neurological damage. It's possible these victims were suffering from both the virus and the parasite."

"Regardless of which pathogen won out in these cases, it does appear that someone intentionally set these raccoons loose in the victims' homes. What a strange and elaborate way to go about killing someone."

"You're right. This killer clearly has ample time and means to carry out their crimes. Think of it. Capturing, or breeding, raccoons. Infecting them with rabies. Transporting them to the victims' homes, breaking in, and removing the raccoons before the police arrive? This guy has a lot of time on his hands, and experience with handling wildlife."

"We have our profile. Wheels up in 15 minutes."

~~~

The press liaison again stood before the crowd of reporters, this time on a sunny day. She could see beads of sweat gathering on their brows as they pressed forward with fervent energy, each one wanting to be the first to ask their burning questions. A single word came to mind to describe them.

Rabid.

Awaiting trial is @mkg323 who was "has ample time and means to carry out their crimes", a village blocker.
Bummer.

Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it.

11 players remain
1. @Crayola227
2. @Animal Midwife
3. @samac
5. @genny
6. @TelemarketingEnigma
7. @cubsrule4e
7.7. @Stagg737
8. @Viscernable
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease
10. @BobLoblaw78
11. @Melchizedek

Locked Up:
12. @alleycat03 - in good physical condition - vanillager
4. @Zenge142 - displays extreme levels of disorganization - vanillager
13. @mkg323 - has ample time and means to carry out their crimes - village blocker

Subs:
1. @SportPonies
2. @MOOSEygoosey

Tots:
1. smol @supershorty
2. @Lawpy
3. @Dinashadow
4. @Barkley13
5. @Zeppelyn

It is now Night 2. Send in your actions to provide mod happiness and avoid mod wrath. You have until 10am EST, probably.

~Table of Contents~
My tinfoil is that we are a village of criminal types, and the wolves are the show characters that are responsible for stopping us from carrying out our MOs. Not that I'm going to use this to gamesolve. That's villager code. But it's just a fun idea. Love the idea the bad guys are the ones trying to stop us from killing.
 
I said this a day (or two) ago with my “tinfoil”. I have actually been trying to work through this game from write up standpoint and “mechanics” standpoint. Bc I assume there is some clues and crime solving to be done with this theme. I think a lot has been laughed off but I’m looking for what I can. And thank goodness bc people seem erratic this game and harder to read. I also feel like I’ve been finding good points on posts but they seem to not cause a blip on others radar.

FYI. I think this could be a game with multiple solo wolfs. Since serial killers are usually solo.
Wonder if this explain the infuriating spreads in votes we have. Looking at EOD tallies I feel a lack of unseen coordination feel that you expect from a wolf pack voting to save each other/steer vote to preferred misyeets.
 
Night Two

The agent paced the conference room, his usual scowl in place. "As you know, we had been closing in on a suspect for a cold case from a few years back, a smattering of poisoning deaths. But the suspect turned up dead this morning."

"Yes, as a quick reminder, this was the one who had been putting ethylene glycol in the victims' coffee," said another agent, this one more chipper, even as she talked about murder. "They likely never noticed - would have just thought the coffee was a little too sweet."

"And don't forget we narrowed down the suspect list by the profile - likely female, and someone who would try to insert themselves into the investigation."

"And now she's dead...What are we thinking? Revenge from a victim's family member? Suicide?"

"We're not sure, but suicide doesn't fit the profile, especially not by gunshot."

"Interesting. We will have to look into this further. Even if she was a serial killer, she deserved a proper trial."

Dead is @vetschoolsletmeinplease, who was "will likely try to insert themselves into the investigation", a vanilla villager

What is food to one, is to others bitter poison.

~~~
"I know we are all shocked by the suspect we've arrested in this case, but I do want to debrief on the profile so we can be sure we didn't miss anything. The case is going to be handled by another team, and we need it to be airtight before we hand it over."

"The MO was certainly...unique," one agent said, contemplating the view out of the conference room window. "Death by suffocation. The victim's lungs were full of cat fur."

"I could see him going for the irony here. Some people believe that a cat resting on your chest provides excellent health benefits. The frequency of their purrs is meant to have healing effects. Of course, others believe they'll try to steal your breath. But really, murder by cat isn't how anyone expects to go."

"Well, you should never trust a cat," said another agent, shuddering. The others looked at him before quickly averting their eyes.

Just then the phone rang. The press liaison answered with a sigh. The calls had been nonstop.
“Look, we heard there was an arrest of a former BAU agent. Can I have you on record that he went rogue? Something better than the “no comment” crap? Did he kill the—”
“No comment. *click*”

Awaiting trial is @genny, who was Jason Gideon, a 3p
serial killer
😱

Better to be violent if there’s violence in our hearts than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence.
Or my next thought is everyone is some type of killer MO, including wolves or 3P, they just happen to have kill power and are offing the other killer profiles that happen to be villager. Another interesting way to structure the game. Again, I'm not trying to use this to gamesolve as much as marveling how the mods might have defied "expected" norms on structuring roles so as to make it interesting to think about but not adding ease to wolf hunting.
 
I said both of these things in my original tinfoils at the very start of the game. I think you repeated the independent killers ideas later too. If nothing else, I'm good at reading the mods minds?
Sometimes wolves get a hint there's a 3P or other certain abilities/roles in the game depending on what abilities they have.

We had a royal or Lady killing wolf in England? Didn't we?

RvB we have a wolf that was bomb-proof some nights, good hint there's a bomb.

I think we've had a bullet proof wolf, that tends to alert them to a village vig or a 3P with kill power...

So lol I'm not going to assume you can read the mods' minds.
 
I didn't have specific examples. If I put "feels like good hunting, good posts, good logic" (which is true) then I get flamed for vague statements. She has been village to me most of the game. She has the village from start feel that makes me feel confident (but still keep an eye to make sure the person isn't going for deep wolf)
Lol but what you just said isn't hedgy. So I don't see the issue there.
 
I had quoted this bc it didn't seem correct, but stagg went ahead and confirmed it.

Been there, done that....but that is a long shower

Deadly, odorless powder from Australia

Who started this tinfoil? I can't find it and want to finish my thought on it.



Weird to blame stagg voters when the vote didn’t go through on stagg and MKG was on the board anyway. This very well could’ve happened without the stagg wagon. And this statement sounds as if you already know that MKG is village before the reveal...

Not seering and not selfprezzing. So many thoughts. Are you really seer? Are you a seer and just disinterested villager (with vomit on them)? (I can't see wolf not selfprezzing) Finally, as a wolf where were your options for selfprezzing that you wouldn't have went on the counterwagon? More of a question to myself- I need to look once I finish this

I unfortunately found out about the reveal too late, but would have jumped off had I seen it in time.

FYI- I was trying to post on phone and keep formatting correct (if you delete one space too much it removes the person that the quote is from). And it kept giving me the posts out of order (the most recent one or two, but not the 10 in between)



This comment reads much differently after seeing how genny flipped. She seemed to be comfortable position. This sounds like her laying ground work for not role revealing when descriptions have been very different for villagers this game

I like this from visc and she has had many like this. If you want specifics for visc, this is one. It is very village perspective. Village wouldn’t mind being hypocritical but wolves would try to avoid it (you would at least think they would)

Good writeup, esp with the personal touches! I can appreciate them more now that I am not scouring them for clues!

The person that said this has never seen my cat with its prey! (or gennys with a giraffe)

100-1,200 TID. I am shocked to hear how high the cat dose is! I only start that low bc patients hate the fog that comes with it and quit it.

Wouldn’t that make people more likely to believe your claim this time around? Do you fake claim often?

Can I ask why she didn't kill you? Or if you don't want to answer, at least be working through that on your own if it helps with wolf reads, their skills, etc
Anyone else starting to like Bob's contributions?

Also, I'm starting to think wearing a full plastic face shield around kiddos may make a lot of sense.
 
It bothers me a bit that this was dropped before Genny flipped. I haven't decided if this is really shady, but want to go back and investigate it...




Plot summary of my night results: I was running a test to get results, someone snuck up and tried to strangle me (I think this is relevant and can be confirmed at some point), there was an explosion in the lab, when I woke up I was alive but the machine blew up and I didn't get results.




You didn't see this coming? Lol. I'm shocked that I'm still actually alive though, thanks for whoever did whatever they did last night, other than the strangler, but maybe they were just being kinky...




This is becoming a pattern for me, third time in 3 games it's happened. I better be nominated for the 'best scapegoat' award or something like that after this. Also, I don't recall ever fake-claiming an ability as a wolf. I probably have done it, but generally avoid it because of how easily it can backfire.
Lol if it isn't consensual, it isn't kink, it's assault.
 
Thoughts on cubs:

Started out on samac. What are your current thoughts on her? Or do you still have her as POE? What is your POE?

That is what she does. I appreciate the content. I understand getting tired of addressing the same problem. But this sounds dismissive of points (i assume) she is trying to make

First off, when I say in the background it means- people that don't stick out during the game. People that joke, post a lot, make logic to me or have interactions tend to stick out more as memorable.

Secondly, I don't normally see myself as a pusher. I make jokes and bad reads/votes. I wish I was better at smoking out wolves and want to get there, but I really think the pushers is a different group of people. If you guys see me as a pusher then disregard. It just pings me when someone describes me a way that I think isn't true. It rings false.

I think boiling down my content to one list and one iso is not based on reality. I tried working through some mechanics, analyzing writeups and more. I have also responded to 10+ posts for my replies. Pings a bit to minimize if you are village bc you want to base reads off of facts, not skew it to make it fit.

I gave reasons why I was busy. I hadn't been posting but just not voting. It was pretty obvious I was not around

This is a good post but one of the few of the recent ones

I'm still waiting on this quote and found this statement as false.

Also the 4 way carnage you lobbied for. Then saying it was all just a joke. That is the reasons I don't feel great about you. I wish I knew what Mel saw that has you as top village read.
Lol make logic to you. Is this like making love to you, but more Vulcan?
 
TME thoughts:


surely coincidence but noted. If that is also the role you were given, then it would be more at the front of your thoughts.

Also, had tinfoil about independent killers. If this ends up being true, kudos. But it does make me hesitate and wonder if you were an independent serial killer.

Both of these get into deep tinfoil. So I will only note them here and revisit if this turns out to be true.

Otherwise, Was early low poster. Pushed genny early which turned out to be right. But let it go somewhat. Started off poorly based on me not following your thoughts or agreeing. Most recent points have been much better and seemingly hunting so I do feel better than others in my POE.
The more I think about it, the more likely I think it is wolves may have been clued in there was a 3P to hunt as well. It adds a layer of complexity for wolves in a game and can also make them appear more village on thread since they will actually be actively hunting on thread (sure, not actual wolf hunting, but subtle 3P hunting can appear more pro-village than just straight up fake hunting thinking there is no kill threat to wolves only vote threat).

Being alert to who seems overly invested in 3P hunting can sometimes be a clue to who is wolf (except for your most anti-3P villagers like myself lol).

Anyway, could see a game with a theme like this having the multiball effect which has now been proven.

I don't know if genny got off a kill. But the wolves WOULD know, and you best believe when wolves get a whiff that there's some other faction with kill powers it gets their attention. They are very sensitive to matters of self preservation that way.
 
TME (1) - AM
Bob (1) - samac
VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Alley
Alley
(1) - Cray
Samac (1) - Cubs
Bob(0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Samac
Mkg (1) - Vis
VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Zenge (1) - Alley
Cray (1) - Bob
Mkg (0) -
Samac (2) - Cubs, Vis
Cray (2) - Bob, Mel

Samac (1) - Cubs
Genny (1) - Mkg
TME (2) - AM, Vis
Samac (2) - Cubs, genny

Mkg (1) - TME
Alley (1) - Cray
[8:35] Mel (1) - samac
[8:39] Mel (2) - samac, zenge
[9:03] VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Stagg
[9:18] Zenge (0) -
AM (1) - Alley
[9:56] Mel (1) - Zenge
Cray (3) - Bob, Mel, Samac
[9:56] VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Stagg
[9:58] Cray (2) - Bob, Mel
Alley (3) - Cray, Stagg, Samac
Yikes my brain shuts down seeing these. Would love anyone that wants to publicly comment and explain what they see here.
 
So lol I'm not going to assume you can read the mods' minds.
Not going to use village code for hunting, because as has repeatedly been pointed out there are likely cover roles/I have faith in the mods creativity
but given the villager reveals so far I think the reasoning for why I had "main team might be killers" as an early tinfoil should be becoming abundantly clear
and independent killers is not even a remotely difficult leap from the source material

I also do not actually think I can read mods minds
 
Mean Girls Teacher GIF
 
Day 3: Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves what he gets

TME (1) - mel
cubs (1) - Bob

2/9

Has yet to vote: (almost) ALL OF YOU
Police hot on their tail: 🤔

Vote closes at 10pm EST, TOMORROW, 11/16 (a long time but pls entertain my need for blood) (~25.25 hours)

tumblr_oy89sce09k1welz31o1_250.gifv
 
TME (1) - AM
Bob (1) - samac
VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Alley
Alley
(1) - Cray
Samac (1) - Cubs
Bob(0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Samac
Mkg (1) - Vis
VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Zenge (1) - Alley
Cray (1) - Bob
Mkg (0) -
Samac (2) - Cubs, Vis
Cray (2) - Bob, Mel

Samac (1) - Cubs
Genny (1) - Mkg
TME (2) - AM, Vis
Samac (2) - Cubs, genny

Mkg (1) - TME
Alley (1) - Cray
[8:35] Mel (1) - samac
[8:39] Mel (2) - samac, zenge
[9:03] VSLIMPBIZKIT (1) - Stagg
[9:18] Zenge (0) -
AM (1) - Alley
[9:56] Mel (1) - Zenge
Cray (3) - Bob, Mel, Samac
[9:56] VSLIMPBIZKIT (0) -
Alley (2) - Cray, Stagg
[9:58] Cray (2) - Bob, Mel
Alley (3) - Cray, Stagg, Samac

~ Saturday ~
[11:52] cubs (1) - samac
[12:25] Stagg (1) - AM
[1:30] Samac (1) - cubs

[2:33] Cubs (0) -
[2:43] Mel (1) - VSILOVEYOU
[6:29] MKG (1) - genny

~ Sunday ~
[10:14] TME (1) - Vis
[10:37] TME (2) - Vis, Stagg

[1:47] Samac (0) -
---- Bob (1) - Cubs
[2:32] Vis (1) - samac
[3:23] Samac (1) - mel
[3:26] Mkg (2) - genny, TME
[3:53] Stagg (2) - AM, Mkg

[4:25] Samac (0) -
---- Cray (1) - Mel
[6:19] Stagg (2) - AM, Mkg, Bob
[6:29] TME (1) - Vis
---- Bob (2) - Cubs, stagg
[7:02] Mkg (3) - genny, TME, Cray
[9:00] Cray (0) -
---- VSILOVEYOU (1) - Mel
[9:36] Mkg (2) - genny, TME


~ [9:53] Stagg’s seer claim ~
[9:59] Stagg (2) - Mkg, Bob
---- Mkg (3) - genny, TME, AM
 
Any of it. It’s a tin-foil theory and my tin-foul theories are never part of my game analysis, more for a “it’s be crazy if this thing I’m paranoid about is true”

Why are you acting like this is a new concept? Ask better questions that are actually gamesolving
There's only two outcomes here for this "tinfoil."

1. You believe wolves framed you.

2. This is not serious and you don't think you were framed.

Why are statements about yourself an unknown tinfoil? You're triggering me, Mel.
 
There's only two outcomes here for this "tinfoil."

1. You believe wolves framed you.

2. This is not serious and you don't think you were framed.

Why are statements about yourself an unknown tinfoil? You're triggering me, Mel.
stop AM. You’re not strong arming me into something, you didn’t find me slipping. It’s literally a theory I was joking about and therefore put in context of a “tin foil theory” get out of here trying to make it more than it is.
 
stop AM. You’re not strong arming me into something, you didn’t find me slipping. It’s literally a theory I was joking about and therefore put in context of a “tin foil theory” get out of here trying to make it more than it is.
What's the punchline?
 
Yes, oh God, thank you. This is what I'm saying. Defending saying "how can you fault me for doing the same thing you are" is like the crappiest defense ever. You can obviously say "well I find your ghosting sus as well" and that's fine. One is offensive and makes sense. The defense doesn't. Obviously anyone ghosting can try to say it's NAI for them or AI for someone else, but saying it's wolfy for someone to not give someone a pass for something they themselves are doing? No. The game doesn't work like that.
That’s fine. I don’t have to defend what I said. I thought you giving VSLMIP sketch points for that was bad logic. I was right.
 
This was Saturday at 7am. Essentially catch up from Friday night.

That is me feeling good about MKG and bad about you. Way earlier than what it feels like you were implying.

more on Saturday

This is my first list from later on Saturday. This is just confirming most of the reads I already stated compiled on the list.

You were above cray and stagg who have both moved up the last several days

This is even later Saturday where you say I had no reads on her then suddenly change later. That is just blatantly false if you read my above posts which were all much earlier. But even in this one I state she is giving me warm village feeling

PS- in the background means someone who doesn’t stick out personality-wise



You were not a neutral read. See above. I usually give you slack bc of your great jokes. You have obviously had a great, great teacher!!!

I had been village reading her for awhile. I didn’t quickly come to that after being called out. See the above post series. They are in chronological order from Saturday 7am to Saturday evening.


Your statements continue to not reflect reality which is troubling.
Hm

Yeah honestly this reads as a very logical progression as a villager, with the typical wavering and not always 100% linear progression I expect. Cubs’ attacking Bob here for pulling reads out of nowhere and retaliatory wolfreading cubs is decidedly reminding me of greatest idea sk!cubs who kept rewriting history to say that shorty was making obviously fake reads and railroaded isos and that everyone was faking wolfreads of or unfairly wolfreading him
 
Good point about not bringing up 3p if she was one. She may have been trying to contribute and wasn’t thinking a tinfoil like that would give away subconscious knowledge she had (regarding her being 3p)
I could see it being a distancing tactic, banking on people assuming she wouldn’t bring it up if she were 3p :shrug:
 
Getting the vibe maybe that the wolves killed Please because she seemed like she knew the source material and might be good at mechanics solving. Then you have to ask yourself, which wolves would be most likely to think this way and feel threatened and kill on this basis.
Why do you not think genny may have been the wolf kill?
 
My tinfoil is that we are a village of criminal types, and the wolves are the show characters that are responsible for stopping us from carrying out our MOs. Not that I'm going to use this to gamesolve. That's villager code. But it's just a fun idea. Love the idea the bad guys are the ones trying to stop us from killing.
Oh jesus, Cray is suggesting that role names are AI. We are truly in the endtimes

This is joke. I also think it looks like that’s the theme, but wouldn’t try to use it for gamesolving
 
Hm

Yeah honestly this reads as a very logical progression as a villager, with the typical wavering and not always 100% linear progression I expect. Cubs’ attacking Bob here for pulling reads out of nowhere and retaliatory wolfreading cubs is decidedly reminding me of greatest idea sk!cubs who kept rewriting history to say that shorty was making obviously fake reads and railroaded isos and that everyone was faking wolfreads of or unfairly wolfreading him

???
 
Wonder if this explain the infuriating spreads in votes we have. Looking at EOD tallies I feel a lack of unseen coordination feel that you expect from a wolf pack voting to save each other/steer vote to preferred misyeets.
Slight side-eye to this. I feel like there’s so many unknown variables and so much of wolves’ voting is pretty un-coordinated (especially the first couple days) that as a villager you can seldom distinguish co-ordinated movement vs random movement, so it’s a reach to use that to suggest that there’s no wolfpack.
 
That’s my memory of that game. Not saying you played it badly, you obviously had a big plan that you were carrying out and stuff (don’t remember specifics), but that was the impression I got of the difference in your scum play that game vs village play other games.
 
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