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apoptosis09 said:
Adding to my fear it may not have been a vig, that rae or beans would've been more expected targets
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For a vig shot?

vampyrica said:
i can think of 3 different wolf strats that could be used for a result like this. im not insulting you, or questioning your intelligence. but there's some reverse psychology that can be happening here
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I agree with this line of reasoning but I also think it's a quick jump to assuming wolf!apop would go straight to this strategy N1.
 
These are my current reads. I'm not sure what to make of the zenge/fruit thing so I'm contemplating that. Also still mulling over vampy's apop thoughts.

Village lean
snack - giving off village nooblet vibes currently
fruit - appears to be village fruit. Nothing crazy stands out.
chic - I think she had good analysis yesterday and seems to be looking at things from a village perspective

Probably village?
Zenge - appears to be staying consistent with what I've seen of village zenge in the past. No crazy red flags yet but no 100% village confirmation either.
rae- nothing jumping out at me as "wolf rae" right now. Yes her post about clem was a little odd but it's not necessarily out of character for village!rae
kitz - keeping in mind that I've never played with wolf!kitz she seems similar to last game where I misyeeted her as village

POE
SQB - very similar to kitz. Another player who I feel like I continually wolfread and then they are a misyeet.
Clem - I'm still side eying the early D1 discussion about misyeets but he seems to be acting like village!clem. I don't think I'm interested in a clem yeet right now.
apop - I don't think I can fully move her up to probably village yet but she's borderline. I know she's tricked me before as a wolf so I'm being cautious.
vampy - her village and wolf games look so similar to me that it's hard for me to make a call right now. I don't feel comfortable village reading her.
dubz - this is not because of her being lower posting than normal (bc I know she said that was her goal for this game) - it's mostly because she hasn't done anything to make me village read her.
SAR - I'm still side eying the samac/SAR/rae exchange. I also like I said earlier am inclined to listen to zenge's take on her. I'm not dead set on a SAR yeet today though if there is evidence for someone else.
 
chicandtoughness said:
I agree with this line of reasoning but I also think it's a quick jump to assuming wolf!apop would go straight to this strategy N1.
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we dont know what happened in w!chat behind the scenes. someone could have been in danger D1 or been too "on the radar", so in an effort to dwindle our numbers fast, boom-boom multiple kills just to knock us down quickly.

(this is only true if both kills are w!kills)
 
beans2020 said:
vampy - her village and wolf games look so similar to me that it's hard for me to make a call right now. I don't feel comfortable village reading her.
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before i respond to the other reads, i have to say that i'm genuinely flattered (although it bites me in the butt this time around bc im trying to find my people)
 
apoptosis09 said:
I suppose my wolf strategy is to have the two people i was loudly sussing flip village immediately? 😅 I'm a little insulted at your opinion of my intelligence
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WIFOM!!!! So much WIFOM!
 
beans2020 said:
These are my current reads. I'm not sure what to make of the zenge/fruit thing so I'm contemplating that. Also still mulling over vampy's apop thoughts.

Village lean
snack - giving off village nooblet vibes currently
fruit - appears to be village fruit. Nothing crazy stands out.
chic - I think she had good analysis yesterday and seems to be looking at things from a village perspective

Probably village?
Zenge - appears to be staying consistent with what I've seen of village zenge in the past. No crazy red flags yet but no 100% village confirmation either.
rae- nothing jumping out at me as "wolf rae" right now. Yes her post about clem was a little odd but it's not necessarily out of character for village!rae
kitz - keeping in mind that I've never played with wolf!kitz she seems similar to last game where I misyeeted her as village

POE
SQB - very similar to kitz. Another player who I feel like I continually wolfread and then they are a misyeet.
Clem - I'm still side eying the early D1 discussion about misyeets but he seems to be acting like village!clem. I don't think I'm interested in a clem yeet right now.
apop - I don't think I can fully move her up to probably village yet but she's borderline. I know she's tricked me before as a wolf so I'm being cautious.
vampy - her village and wolf games look so similar to me that it's hard for me to make a call right now. I don't feel comfortable village reading her.
dubz - this is not because of her being lower posting than normal (bc I know she said that was her goal for this game) - it's mostly because she hasn't done anything to make me village read her.
SAR - I'm still side eying the samac/SAR/rae exchange. I also like I said earlier am inclined to listen to zenge's take on her. I'm not dead set on a SAR yeet today though if there is evidence for someone else.
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I think you're village this game, but having one of the lowest posters in the game as a top town read isn't a good look.

and having your POE so large it looks like you're "keeping your options open"

I'm not changing my read on you off it it... if you're a wolf :eggface:

But if you're town these are the things wolves will use against you I think, just as a heads up.
 
beans2020 said:
Village lean
snack - giving off village nooblet vibes currently
fruit - appears to be village fruit. Nothing crazy stands out.
chic - I think she had good analysis yesterday and seems to be looking at things from a village perspective

Probably village?
Zenge - appears to be staying consistent with what I've seen of village zenge in the past. No crazy red flags yet but no 100% village confirmation either.
rae- nothing jumping out at me as "wolf rae" right now. Yes her post about clem was a little odd but it's not necessarily out of character for village!rae
kitz - keeping in mind that I've never played with wolf!kitz she seems similar to last game where I misyeeted her as village

POE
SQB - very similar to kitz. Another player who I feel like I continually wolfread and then they are a misyeet.
Clem - I'm still side eying the early D1 discussion about misyeets but he seems to be acting like village!clem. I don't think I'm interested in a clem yeet right now.
apop - I don't think I can fully move her up to probably village yet but she's borderline. I know she's tricked me before as a wolf so I'm being cautious.
vampy - her village and wolf games look so similar to me that it's hard for me to make a call right now. I don't feel comfortable village reading her.
dubz - this is not because of her being lower posting than normal (bc I know she said that was her goal for this game) - it's mostly because she hasn't done anything to make me village read her.
SAR - I'm still side eying the samac/SAR/rae exchange. I also like I said earlier am inclined to listen to zenge's take on her. I'm not dead set on a SAR yeet today though if there is evidence for someone else.
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okay now the whole thing-- beans.

normally you're able to add more folks to your v!lean list than this. you're essentially saying 9/12 people are all yeet possibilities for you. there's nothing anyone in your POE has said to make you move them up even to neutral? i find that hard to believe
 
Zenge142 said:
I think you're village this game, but having one of the lowest posters in the game as a top town read isn't a good look.

and having your POE so large it looks like you're "keeping your options open"

I'm not changing my read on you off it it... if you're a wolf :eggface:

But if you're town these are the things wolves will use against you I think, just as a heads up.
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i concur with zenge
 
chicandtoughness said:
For a vig shot?
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Yes, because both beans and rae were pretty heavily sussed and were tied for yeet early. If I was a vig going for the most likely scum I'd probably go for one of them, especially beans to clear the slot. Samac or spurs wouldn't be wildly unreasonable for a vig since neither were village blocked, but not the prime targets I'd expect. Hopefully someone will claim if it is

I am not a vigilante though either, fwiw 😅
 
:thinking:
I'm actually not mad about the distribution of beans's reads in this game state?

Y'all out here getting more than 3 strong village reads when we haven't yoten a wolf? What are you, psychic or something?
 
WildZoo said:
:thinking:
I'm actually not mad about the distribution of beans's reads in this game state?

Y'all out here getting more than 3 strong village reads when we haven't yoten a wolf? What are you, psychic or something?
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we're not asking for locked in village reads. but more than half of the group is in the POE, which is just...odd
 
vampyrica said:
we're not asking for locked in village reads. but more than half of the group is in the POE, which is just...odd
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I don't think it is? That looks like combined neutral and wolf reads to me based on her descriptions. That just doesn't strike me as odd for beginning of d2.
 
apoptosis09 said:
Yes, because both beans and rae were pretty heavily sussed and were tied for yeet early. If I was a vig going for the most likely scum I'd probably go for one of them, especially beans to clear the slot. Samac or spurs wouldn't be wildly unreasonable for a vig since neither were village blocked, but not the prime targets I'd expect. Hopefully someone will claim if it is

I am not a vigilante though either, fwiw 😅
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I could see Spurs as a "hero" shot that went wrong.

Someone who was quietly thinking Spurs was a wolf, but didn't want to bother D1 since Spurs had just modded, and after that D1 courtesy was done, all bets were off and someone was just like:
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WildZoo said:
I don't think it is? That looks like combined neutral and wolf reads to me based on her descriptions. That just doesn't strike me as odd for beginning of d2.
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so then what makes the "scum" group more "scummy" than the neutral groups if the reasonings are essentially the same? it seems too cautious
 
vampyrica said:
so then what makes the "scum" group more "scummy" than the neutral groups if the reasonings are essentially the same? it seems too cautious
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That would be the question to ask beans. Like I said, asking about the reasoning would make sense. Saying the POE should be narrower in this game state does not make sense to me.
 
@beans2020 ^^ reasoning plz because between your reads list yesterday, your claim and now this reads list, i cannot follow along what you're doing and if you're village, i wanna find you.
 
I'm going to lightly tinfoil for a second that samac and spurs may have both been scum kills (maybe double wolf kill or maybe some other mechanic/3p/etc) because both [were] coincidentally players spurring (pun intended) a lot of activity, and may indicate that we have some slankly woofing going on while the active village circles itself
 
samac said:
Legacy:
I think Dubz is likely pure.
Zenge’s 3P hate is funny but the SAR push felt pure.
Fruit feels pure.

Clem overall feels fine I think but he’s probably right that I’d get paranoid later.

spurs feels off and something feels forced. Like he was going back and rereading his own reads list and added Zenges back. Feels weird.
There’s a wolf between scream and apop. I feel it in my bones. I just don’t know which one.


Yeah that’s what I got.
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WildZoo said:
My tinfoil is samac posted her legacy too early and wolves killed her to lock it in because it was wrong 😛
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I like this tinfoil :heckyeah:
 
vampyrica said:
@beans2020 ^^ reasoning plz because between your reads list yesterday, your claim and now this reads list, i cannot follow along what you're doing and if you're village, i wanna find you.
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My POE is mostly players who, in my eyes, haven't cleared themselves enough to move up to village leans. The likely village category is players who I feel ok about but I don't want to jump to "they're village". I did think about also making an "easy misyeet" category because there's a subset of players who I chronically wolfread but then they're usually never wolves (i.e kitz, SQB, apop, +/- rae) but I decided to hold off on that for now - hence why my POE ended up shaking out the way it did.
Did that answer your question? Is there anyone in particular you are curious about in my reads list? I'm not sure what all you're looking for.
 
apoptosis09 said:
I'm going to lightly tinfoil for a second that samac and spurs may have both been scum kills (maybe double wolf kill or maybe some other mechanic/3p/etc) because both [were] coincidentally players spurring (pun intended) a lot of activity, and may indicate that we have some slankly woofing going on while the active village circles itself
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sigh
 
16 players

If samac and Spurs were both wolf kills then I'd lean towards either a 3 wolf pack with an extra kill, or perhaps two 2 wolf packs

If one of them was something else we could have a 4 wolf pack but I'd expect village to have some extra power (which I guess would work if it was a vig)

I forget how KD has historically had wincons work with her 2 wolf packs but let's just say 4 wolves for worst case scenario-ing

Currently 13 players, so 5 deaths until parity (4:4) - 2 misyeets with 2 successful NKs and then we'd be at VoLo

Oh that's a bad world to be living in I hope we're not in that one
 
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vampyrica said:
we dont know what happened in w!chat behind the scenes. someone could have been in danger D1 or been too "on the radar", so in an effort to dwindle our numbers fast, boom-boom multiple kills just to knock us down quickly.
(this is only true if both kills are w!kills)
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Riiiiiight. But you stated you believe it's probably a vig or 3p.

Given that you believe it's likely a 3p shot, what makes you lean into the assumption that this played out in wolf chat and therefore leading to apop doing some reverse psychology shenanigans?

Moving apop out of POE and my sus on vampy grows. At the very least I do not believe these two are compatible.
 
beans2020 said:
My POE is mostly players who, in my eyes, haven't cleared themselves enough to move up to village leans. The likely village category is players who I feel ok about but I don't want to jump to "they're village". I did think about also making an "easy misyeet" category because there's a subset of players who I chronically wolfread but then they're usually never wolves (i.e kitz, SQB, apop, +/- rae) but I decided to hold off on that for now - hence why my POE ended up shaking out the way it did.
Did that answer your question? Is there anyone in particular you are curious about in my reads list? I'm not sure what all you're looking for.
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what is considered your POE then? because i'm confused.

the neutral and scum reasonings are basically both the same, so what made you decide to split that list? zenge, rae and kitz are neutral. what makes them more neutral than the other 6 individuals in the scum category?

based on your own words, why arent SQB, clem and SAR moved up to the neutral category when their reasonings are similar to zenge and kitz??

it just seems too cautious and planned imo
beans2020 said:
Probably village?
Zenge - appears to be staying consistent with what I've seen of village zenge in the past. No crazy red flags yet but no 100% village confirmation either.
rae- nothing jumping out at me as "wolf rae" right now. Yes her post about clem was a little odd but it's not necessarily out of character for village!rae
kitz - keeping in mind that I've never played with wolf!kitz she seems similar to last game where I misyeeted her as village

POE
SQB - very similar to kitz. Another player who I feel like I continually wolfread and then they are a misyeet.
Clem - I'm still side eying the early D1 discussion about misyeets but he seems to be acting like village!clem. I don't think I'm interested in a clem yeet right now.
apop - I don't think I can fully move her up to probably village yet but she's borderline. I know she's tricked me before as a wolf so I'm being cautious.
vampy - her village and wolf games look so similar to me that it's hard for me to make a call right now. I don't feel comfortable village reading her.
dubz - this is not because of her being lower posting than normal (bc I know she said that was her goal for this game) - it's mostly because she hasn't done anything to make me village read her.
SAR - I'm still side eying the samac/SAR/rae exchange. I also like I said earlier am inclined to listen to zenge's take on her. I'm not dead set on a SAR yeet today though if there is evidence for someone else.
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chicandtoughness said:
Riiiiiight. But you stated you believe it's probably a vig or 3p.

Given that you believe it's likely a 3p shot, what makes you lean into the assumption that this played out in wolf chat and therefore leading to apop doing some reverse psychology shenanigans?

Moving apop out of POE and my sus on vampy grows. At the very least I do not believe these two are compatible.
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idk its a thought???

i would suggest not hyperfixating too much on me. i'm not that interesting
 
It's thought enough for you to plop down a vote.

I also find your perseverating on beans's neutral/POE split really strange.

Though I think this is somewhat exacerbated by some of us (including me) occasionally using POE (the term) as "idk but someone I want to explore more" instead of actually a true POE list.
 
Heads up I'm going to log off and power through some notes tonight, and I have a busy day tomorrow two (announcing so I don't get pinged for not answering questions if I pop in in the meantime lol) But I'm going to try to come back some time tomorrow and reassess my reads fully before vote close. Sorry i'm kind of dead weight so far - this is a heavy studying week for me 🥲
 
Let's stream some consciousness. This is largely based on impressions from when I've been here/real timing.

Zenge - village

Vampy - here and there little twitches but I think overall village solving energy. She picked up on stuff in beans's reasoning for her reads that I agree with

Pop - I don't think I'm allowed to read her

Chic - solving energy, I just have no recollection of her playstyle

SAR - I'm definitely not allowed to read her

Clem - village

screams - I think I've only seen two of her posts

Snacks - nooblet?

Fruit - he hit back HARD at Zenge's sus on him and I don't remember him being quite that immediately retaliatory when he's wolfing (maybe he knows that at this point but it gives me pause)

beans - I do think her reads are very very hedgey. I think she probably outs the yeet avoidance regardless of affiliation.

rae - maybe wolfy? I don't know that I have a good reason for that ping

I think I'm forgetting someone?
 
you can find it strange, but i dont think that makes me scum to understand someone's thought process. i want to move on from it, but beans has not yet fully answered my questions (which im not rushing beans, whenever she can). when she does, i can move on.
 
screamqueenbee said:
@apoptosis09

How are you vibing with the 2 wolf packs theory?
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Idk, I think we have just enough players that at least one other scum type is possible. My experience with past games though is that it's more common to have a 3p than a second scum faction.
Samac's role question mark does make me feel tinfoily that we have some flavor of factionation going on. But I won't dwell too much until we flip at least one scum lol

I guess we'll know better if we get two kills tomorrow night too
 
Oh yeah samac's question mark.

That must be why she was asking if people had unusual roles or something.

The "vanilla?" made me think she was intended to be a backup of some sort but idk
 
chicandtoughness said:
It's thought enough for you to plop down a vote.

I also find your perseverating on beans's neutral/POE split really strange.

Though I think this is somewhat exacerbated by some of us (including me) occasionally using POE (the term) as "idk but someone I want to explore more" instead of actually a true POE list.
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I feel like that IS a true POE list but what do I know

My POE always includes my neutrals. You're only out of my POE if I'm village reading you.
 
vampyrica said:
what is considered your POE then? because i'm confused.
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My POE is anyone who I don't feel confident (or even mostly confident) is village. I know that makes it broader than other players' POEs right now (like chic mentioned) because it isn't strictly wolfreads. I've been fooled too many times by players who I think are village so I don't like to move people out of the POE unless I feel good about them.
vampyrica said:
the neutral and scum reasonings are basically both the same, so what made you decide to split that list? zenge, rae and kitz are neutral. what makes them more neutral than the other 6 individuals in the scum category?
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My yellow category isn't meant to be neutral - it is players who I am cautiously optimistic about being village but I'm not sure are. Zenge, rae, and kitz all seem okay right now. Being in the yellow category means I'm keeping a healthy amount of side eye on them right now but they are not suspicious enough atm to warrant going in the POE.
vampyrica said:
based on your own words, why arent SQB, clem and SAR moved up to the neutral category when their reasonings are similar to zenge and kitz??
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I went back and forth on SQB and clem. I initially had them in the yellow category too but ultimately decided to put them in the top of POE (like borderline red/yellow) instead because I don't feel as strongly that they are reading village as zenge/rae/kitz. Clem's comments on misyeets early D1 were a little odd and I'm taking into consideration that samac and spurs were both a little unsure of SQB before they died. SAR is still in POE mostly because of zenge's thoughts on her (though that may have shifted).
 
WildZoo said:
Oh yeah samac's question mark.

That must be why she was asking if people had unusual roles or something.

The "vanilla?" made me think she was intended to be a backup of some sort but idk
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If you're a judas or something else that flips affiliation in a certain condition, would your role state that directly? Or could it be a double blind?
 
apoptosis09 said:
If you're a judas or something else that flips affiliation in a certain condition, would your role state that directly? Or could it be a double blind?
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Do you mean in your own role PM or in your flip once you die? I've never seen a Judas used here outside of CYO tbh. In those games it would be stated in both places, but mods can be doin whatever they please in their own custom games.
 
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