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[beans2020]

To be so clear, you guys are getting misled somewhere. I'm not a wolf. Yes, I was wishy washy on scream. That's because in every other game I've played with her I've tried to misyeet/wolfread her and she was always village. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt this game and clearly that panned out well for me

 

[beans2020]

I really think our wolves are in kitz/clem.
vampy is clear bc she's a mason
zenge and rae are clear bc of their interaction with scream
SAR is (most likely I still need to check) clear bc of that insane pair analysis
dubz is clear bc she suggested shooting scream in the middle of the night

 

[SARdoghandler]

Beans/clem interactions - Pt. 1 - Beans edition

K yall I'm back. Somewhat begrudgingly but if I have five pages of content I may as well finish it out this time

clem -> village? The vibes feel ok. Though him talking about being misyeeted has me squinting a little.

Beans starts out by putting clem in the village lean

I don't love the current wagons - spurs, rae, and samac all seem ok to me right now and I feel like SQB is easy misyeet bait. I guess I'd be ok with clem or vampy but neither of them are crazy pinging me as wolf either

But then there's this. Distancing or unpairing?

It's more that I don't want to yeet the other players being brought up as potential options bc I feel better about them

When questioned on saying clem and vampy when they were both in beans' village lean. This mostly tracks with the previous leads list but not entirely clear because samac for example didn't seem to be any more village read than clem or vampy.

At this point, probably still SAR. Maybe clem - his comments about getting misyeeted earlier made me squint. Other than those two, everyone else seems village lean or is a nooblet/mod/player who hasn't been here for a while and I'd feel bad voting one of them out.
I guess the exceptions to that are SQB, kitz, and apop but I'm pretty sure all three of them always give me wolf vibes even when they are village.

When asked who they would like to vote for. IDK how I feel about beans bringing up clem this easily. I have not wolfed with clem (I think) but watching his as part of the wolf team in Good Pwwace he did insinuate he isn't against bussing. So he may have encouraged beans to lightly start bussing for distance. I don't think this is inherently unpairing

POE
SQB - very similar to kitz. Another player who I feel like I continually wolfread and then they are a misyeet.
Clem - I'm still side eying the early D1 discussion about misyeets but he seems to be acting like village!clem. I don't think I'm interested in a clem yeet right now.

A section of beans' POE, has now moved clem to sus. Interestingly it's SQB and then clem, then like 3 other people. Does a wolf put both their packmates in their scum reads? And back to back?

I went back and forth on SQB and clem. I initially had them in the yellow category too but ultimately decided to put them in the top of POE (like borderline red/yellow) instead because I don't feel as strongly that they are reading village as zenge/rae/kitz. Clem's comments on misyeets early D1 were a little odd and I'm taking into consideration that samac and spurs were both a little unsure of SQB before they died. SAR is still in POE mostly because of zenge's thoughts on her (though that may have shifted).

When asked to justify the scream and clem read specifically (as well as me).

POE:
clem - I've never played with wolf!clem so I have no idea how he differs from village!clem. In all honesty, he's here because I didn't feel comfortable moving him higher than everyone else already listed.
sqb - She's definitely more active (with reads and such) than in previous games and I don't know what to make of that. I know other players have mentioned her vibes being off - I haven't noticed that as much but I intend to go back and iso her to see if I agree.
vampy - her interactions with dubz during night cycle feel...odd. Also she mentioned last day cycle that she had a reason for believing the second kill N1 was a 3p or vig shot of some variety and then never provided a reason as to why. She just feels like she's hiding something/trying really hard to get dubz gone and I can't decide if that's determined village!vampy or wolf!vampy going for a misyeet.

Still maintaining clem and scream in scum reads but hasn't really pushed either of them

I think you got the highlights
zenge made a pretty spreadsheet that kitz didn't like of players sussing and not sussing one another too

One of the only direct interactions with clem I found.



Overall, I don't feel that beans' handling of clem was significantly different than their handling of scream? Could possibly be paired. I'd like others opinions on this one though.

 

[beans2020]

Does it bother no one else that:
1) there is nothing unpairing between scream and kitz
2) clem hasn't wolfread kitz once this entire game

(to be fair, kitz did vote clem D1 citing that he always seems wolfy. However this could very well be distancing/light bussing especially since that wagon never took off)

 

[SARdoghandler]

Does it bother no one else that:
1) there is nothing unpairing between scream and kitz
2) clem hasn't wolfread kitz once this entire game

(to be fair, kitz did vote clem D1 citing that he always seems wolfy. However this could very well be distancing/light bussing especially since that wagon never took off)

Ok but I just discovered that clem has almost entirely not interacted with you the whole game either except for a joke vote in the very beginning

 

[SARdoghandler]

Beans/clem interactions - Pt. 2 - Clem edition

Unyeet spurs yeet beans

@kaydubs

Joke vote

That's it. That's the sum of all Clem's mentions of beans or quotes of beans

 

[Clem J]

Beans/clem interactions - Pt. 2 - Clem edition


Joke vote

That's it. That's the sum of all Clem's mentions of beans or quotes of beans

I lowkey keep forgetting beans is playing tbh

 

[vampyrica]

i think we got em boys.

dubZ do you wanna shoot clemson?

 

[Clem J]

I lowkey keep forgetting beans is playing tbh

(Sorry beans it's just cause you're not on at the same time)

 

[kitzsuna]

So why would shooting beans be a waste of a shot? Just because maybe she is an alpha? If the shot was used, a follow up yeet wouldn’t work still?

 

[vampyrica]

So why would shooting beans be a waste of a shot? Just because maybe she is an alpha? If the shot was used, a follow up yeet wouldn’t work still?

she would need to be the last wolf standing for the shot to work. her other packmate needs to go first

 

[Clem J]

Dubz doesn't have another shot lol

 

[SARdoghandler]

Beans/kitz interactions - Pt. 1 - Beans edition

kitz -> IDK. Don't love the return of the dill pickle goldfish but I don't think dill pickles = wolf

Initial read

I guess the exceptions to that are SQB, kitz, and apop but I'm pretty sure all three of them always give me wolf vibes even when they are village.

Wishy washy reads, non-committal

kitz - keeping in mind that I've never played with wolf!kitz she seems similar to last game where I misyeeted her as village

Putting kitz into village lean pile

I did think about also making an "easy misyeet" category because there's a subset of players who I chronically wolfread but then they're usually never wolves (i.e kitz, SQB, apop, +/- rae) but I decided to hold off on that for now - hence why my POE ended up shaking out the way it did.

But then also still wishy washy

My yellow category isn't meant to be neutral - it is players who I am cautiously optimistic about being village but I'm not sure are. Zenge, rae, and kitz all seem okay right now. Being in the yellow category means I'm keeping a healthy amount of side eye on them right now but they are not suspicious enough atm to warrant going in the POE.

Justification of the above. Non-committal. Based on reads, nothing unpairing here.

Then theres a few quotes with kitz asking mechanics type questions and beans answers them. Nothing too ground breaking in that interaction except that it could have happened in wolf chat if they were both in there. Could also easily be "hey we should interact on thread too". Contextually some of it is a little interesting because it's mostly a section where kitz laments this feels unwinnable and scream and beans both encouraging kitz to keep their head up and that we can do this. Wifom wifom wifom. It doesn't feel like a pack thread interaction to me. I'll quote some of it here:

So with 10 players…4 scum and 6 village? Probably some vannilager?

This is…not looking good for village

Don't lose hope yet! We still have a chance to turn this around

I hope lol I don’t think I’ve been in a game that’s gone this badly yet

Hey, we're just on the back foot a little. The D1 yeet last game made everything easier than usual, we've just got to work a little harder this go around.

Beans is now focusing on kitz/clem as the possible pack but I think once we got scream the remaining wolves will likely be trying to distance unless we've miscleared someone so I don't think this is unpairing.

Overall, the interactions that I quoted there with beans/scream/kitz just don't feel like wolf theater. I think I'm going to say tentatively unpaired? But this is weak and subjective and likely biased by me not wanting kitz to be wolf

 

[beans2020]

It is unfortunate that I'm not an alpha wolf bc it would be funnee to pull apop's meme back out

 

[kitzsuna]

It is unfortunate that I'm not an alpha wolf bc it would be funnee to pull apop's meme back out

What’s the role then?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Holding off on the whole analysis for a second but I found this

Yeet clem

@kaydubs

Vibes a bit off but Clem is always scummy sounding

Havent caught up so can someone tldr why beans is being yeeted?

I'm pulling it out separately because I feel like this is important somehow in the beans/clem/kitz but I can't quite parse why I feel that way. I think it's probably just because its a post with all 3 involved. I'm going to think more about this but yall are unfortunately getting stream of consciousness SAR so lol

 

[WildZoo]

If it is Clem and Beans then we have to kill Clem first, sheerly from the possibility of Beans being an Alpha instead of having a 1x Yeet avoidance.

Vig Shot won't work.

If the vig shot doesn't work on beans then we have a very clear reason to say she's wolf and no extra dead villager

Vs I shoot Clem and it's wrong and we don't know for sure if we can kill beans or who the other wolf is

This falls apart of wolves have a blocker I guess

 

[SARdoghandler]

If the vig shot doesn't work on beans then we have a very clear reason to say she's wolf and no extra dead villager

Vs I shoot Clem and it's wrong and we don't know for sure if we can kill beans or who the other wolf is

This falls apart of wolves have a blocker I guess

It also falls apart if you and clem are wolfing together and you fake the second shot

I'm getting in too deep and foil is foiling

 

[WildZoo]

Dubz doesn't have another shot lol

Oh I do

 

[beans2020]

What’s the role then?

already told you. I'm village with a 1x yeet avoidance

 

[WildZoo]

It also falls apart if you and clem are wolfing together and you fake the second shot

I'm getting in too deep and foil is foiling

SAR pls. There is not a universe where I am wolfing in this game.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Beans/kitz interactions - Pt. 2 - Kitz edition

Yeet clem

@kaydubs

Vibes a bit off but Clem is always scummy sounding

Havent caught up so can someone tldr why beans is being yeeted?

This could conceivably be a packmate trying to figure out why their buddy is being sussed

full transparency I missed a bunch

Why was beans pinging people? And apparently they had a death save?

But then why call it out twice? Feels more genuine villager than paired wolf to me

I think this seems similar to a wrongly accused fruit crash out, but also I feel like he is changing his playstyle somewhat so I don’t want to firmly plant him in village

Response to beans

@vampyrica why are chic beans and snacks in your w list?

Asking about beans again. This feels very different to how scream was handled and feels like not coming from a wolf perspective

Damn I forgot about beans and chic in my previous post rip lol

This feels very unpairing to me. There was nothing about the post this is referring to that made it feel like it was intended to have all the players on it. I think if you forgot to put a packmate on it, you just don't bring it up and hope for the best.

So again, I'm biased but I'm leaning this not paired.

 

[kitzsuna]

@vampyrica where are your current thoughts for dubz and zenge

 

[WildZoo]

If the vig shot doesn't work on beans then we have a very clear reason to say she's wolf and no extra dead villager

Vs I shoot Clem and it's wrong and we don't know for sure if we can kill beans or who the other wolf is

This falls apart of wolves have a blocker I guess

I admit I'd also just rather shoot beans because regardless of interaction stuff I haven't felt Clem was particularly wolfy this game

And I'll be sad if I was going to use my second shot on a wolf and end up using it on a villager instead

But I will follow the consensus 😔

 

[Zenge142]

Dubz doesn't have another shot lol

Oh I do

Giving credence to my argument that Clem felt safe saying to shoot SQB last night

 

[GoSpursGo]

(Off topic but Ohio state acceptance!!! Ayyyy!!!)

((Holy **** Virginia Maryland acceptance now!!!))

*****
…has the thought ever occurred to you that you just have to keep playing WW perpetually, given how statistically you seem to get all your acceptances mid-game?

CONGRATS!!!
*****

 

[Zenge142]

Ok but I just discovered that clem has almost entirely not interacted with you the whole game either except for a joke vote in the very beginning

SAR PLEASE!!!

It's right here!

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR pls. There is not a universe where I am wolfing in this game.

I know but I'm heading into

territory here

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR PLEASE!!!

It's right here!

I already told you I'm just smiling and nodding at your interpretation! Too many numbers for my lil brain!

 

[kitzsuna]

*****
…has the thought ever occurred to you that you just have to keep playing WW perpetually, given how statistically you seem to get all your acceptances mid-game?

CONGRATS!!!
*****

((I do believe you are correct hahaha. Yay thank you!!! I am still shook))

 

[kitzsuna]

Giving credence to my argument that Clem felt safe saying to shoot SQB last night

Can you say that again but slowly

Why did Clem feel safe

 

[kitzsuna]

I know but I'm heading into

territory here

That’s about where I’m at

 

[Zenge142]

Can you say that again but slowly

Why did Clem feel safe

Because assuming Dubz didn't have a shot means it's safe for him to say "Shoot SQB" since nothing is going to happen as a result.

+ It's distancing.

 

[vampyrica]

@vampyrica where are your current thoughts for dubz and zenge

if they’re wolfy?

zenge, no
dubz, i need that shot to happen in order for me to give a definite no

 

[Zenge142]

If the vig shot doesn't work on beans then we have a very clear reason to say she's wolf and no extra dead villager

Vs I shoot Clem and it's wrong and we don't know for sure if we can kill beans or who the other wolf is

This falls apart of wolves have a blocker I guess

Right but night actions haven't been finalized yet, and so if there is still a tracker/watcher out there, with Clem dead, it forces the last wolf to do the NK, which provides an easier target for a tracker to get confirmation.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Beans/dubz interactions - Pt. 1 - beans edition

Dubz -> I don't have an opinion yet. I don't want to yeet her today anyways bc she modded last game.

Non-committal

I'm with fruit and dubz here - why a fruit yeet? Weren't you village reading him yesterday @Zenge142?

Brief mention

dubz - this is not because of her being lower posting than normal (bc I know she said that was her goal for this game) - it's mostly because she hasn't done anything to make me village read her.

Scum read but weak feeling

I'm noting that dubz and apop seemed to be the ones mostly wolfreading spurs. Also that snack voted spurs early in the day and then didn't move. Musing on this

Mention with non-committal conclusion

Also, dubz, weren't you the one saying don't shoot earlier?

What changed between then and now?

Questioning the shot

That does make me feel a little better. RIP chic

I'll work on some when I have time today - I don't usually do them when we haven't flipped scum yet BUT I'll give it a go and see if there's anything helpful

These are both nothing burger interactions as far as pairing analysis


Nothing really overtly unpairing here imo

 

[Clem J]

Oh I do

I definitely believe you 😛

 

[Clem J]

Giving credence to my argument that Clem felt safe saying to shoot SQB last night

I mean yeah I didn't believe it, that's not really a reason to unpair us

 

[Zenge142]

These are both nothing burger interactions as far as pairing analysis


Nothing really overtly unpairing here imo

You don't say...

Spoiler

 

[SARdoghandler]

You don't say...

Zenge do you want me to stop putting in my own work

 

[SARdoghandler]

Beans/dubz interactions - Pt. 2 - dubz edition

Have you considered...for the lulz?

A comment on why beans would claim yeet avoidance if woof. This would be funny if they are packmates lol

I feel like you're implying I was questioning the read when I was just wondering how strong of a read it was

Interaction with beans

I'm actually not mad about the distribution of beans's reads in this game state?

Y'all out here getting more than 3 strong village reads when we haven't yoten a wolf? What are you, psychic or something?

That would be the question to ask beans. Like I said, asking about the reasoning would make sense. Saying the POE should be narrower in this game state does not make sense to me.

Two soft defenses of beans

beans - I do think her reads are very very hedgey. I think she probably outs the yeet avoidance regardless of affiliation.

This feels consistent with the above defenses

I guess in my universe I'm looking at beans/rae/scream +/- vampy ???

chic could in theory be a serial killer (anyone could be a serial killer)


I'm not sure how I feel about that POE now that I'm looking at it

Beans enters the POE for the first time. I think choosing to put beans here instead of clem when a lot of the thread was sussing clem equally is not congruent with wolf!dubz. I especially don't think wolf!dubz puts two teammates in a POE of 3, especially when the wolf pack was doing really well. I don't think the beans situation is dire enough to start a bus from here.



I think that because of how Dubz likes to typically function as a cohesive wolf pack, this overall falls on lightly unpairing based on her POE. The actual interactions with beans themselves could go either way.

 

[Zenge142]

Zenge do you want me to stop putting in my own work

No I just wanted you to laugh!

 

[SARdoghandler]

Chart update!

I really should do Clem too but I'm fatigued so that's not happening today tbh

 

[Zenge142]

Chart update!

View attachment 415277

I really should do Clem too but I'm fatigued so that's not happening today tbh

Clem and Dubz?

 

[WildZoo]

I know but I'm heading into

territory here

I helped yeet screams pls

I've been saying she was acting weird for most of the game

I didn't want to say it in case she was village and just being nice but she was uncharacteristically jokey/friendly with me whereas I feel like she usually treats me with more suspicion. Which she did end up doing but it felt like it came out of left field because she wasn't actually interacting with me like she thought I was a wolf, just ended up throwing me in her wolf reads.

Idk if that makes sense to anyone who is not specifically seeing those interactions from my perspective though.

 

[WildZoo]

Clem and Dubz?

Excuse me??

 

[WildZoo]

Right but night actions haven't been finalized yet, and so if there is still a tracker/watcher out there, with Clem dead, it forces the last wolf to do the NK, which provides an easier target for a tracker to get confirmation.

This is making a heck of a lot of assumptions

I will shoot Clem but I'm gonna be really mad if he's not wolf

 

[Zenge142]

Excuse me??

I'm saying SAR should do the analysis since people are spiraling out of control!

 

[WildZoo]

I'm saying SAR should do the analysis since people are spiraling out of control!

That analysis is just going to show Clem and I are not unpaired! I don't need to ISO either of us to know that!