StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

[Barkley13]

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Welp since I’ll probably be busy during vote close, I have something we should consider.

If I was a wolf, why would I protect samac N1? 🤔

 

[genny]

Welp since I’ll probably be busy during vote close, I have something we should consider.

If I was a wolf, why would I protect samac N1? 🤔

Who did you protect the next night?

 

[Barkley13]

Who did you protect the next night?

I am not a protector

 

[WildZoo]

Welp since I’ll probably be busy during vote close, I have something we should consider.

If I was a wolf, why would I protect samac N1? 🤔

Hey remember that other time you leaned on a protection claim to avoid being yoten 😛

 

[Barkley13]

Hey remember that other time you leaned on a protection claim to avoid being yoten 😛

No actually lol. When was it?

 

[Barkley13]

Anyway that’s why I was paranoid about alley’s claim when it wasn’t clear if there were two separate notifications or not. I was going on a tinfoil spiral that the wolves knew samac was protected so fakeclaimed body guard lmao but now feel better since there were multiple notifications

 

[genny]

I am not a protector

Oh this makes me feel better. Because of the 2 deaths last night, like how could you miss with those? Lol

 

[WildZoo]

Oh this makes me feel better. Because of the 2 deaths last night, like how could you miss with those? Lol

Well

So I thought I was protected last night but maybe that was @alleycat03

samac didn't tell me the wording of the two results so I'm not sure how she differentiated them.

In any case, someone picked me over Zenge, which is SILLY BECAUSE WOLVES DON'T FEAR DUBZ

 

[WildZoo]

No actually lol. When was it?

Stranger Things pls

 

[genny]

In any case, someone picked me over Zenge, which is SILLY BECAUSE WOLVES DON'T FEAR DUBZ

If you’re campaigning for death I don’t think it’s working lol

 

[WildZoo]

If you’re campaigning for death I don’t think it’s working lol

It never does 🙁

 

[WildZoo]

Hmm.

Might be able to figure out who would be better to vote for today based on compatibility analysis from earlier days if we're assuming at least 2 more wolves?

But do I have time for that today? Not really

 

[WildZoo]

Where is @Stagg737

 

[Barkley13]

Stranger Things pls

Oooh I forgot I was a wolf protector

 

[Barkley13]

That would be silly though because what if samac was the NK target N1? Why would I stop that if I was wolf

 

[Lawpy]

Oooh I forgot I was a wolf protector

That would be silly though because what if samac was the NK target N1? Why would I stop that if I was wolf

Feels like i’m walking into WIFOM pls

 

[Clem J]

Is the game still going well enough that I don't need to fully engage? Feels like it.

 

[Lawpy]

Barky pls 😢

 

[Lawpy]

Is the game still going well enough that I don't need to fully engage? Feels like it.

Engage pls

 

[Lawpy]

I miss @Stagg737 @miranda920 @SARdoghandler and @Dinashadow

 

[Clem J]

Engage pls

Jay and dubz are still alive, feels like overkill

 

[Barkley13]

Barky pls 😢

It just doesn’t even make sense as WIFOM

 

[WildZoo]

Jay and dubz are still alive, feels like overkill

Fine but once we're dead you'd better pick up the slack or I'll haunt you

 

[miranda920]

I miss @Stagg737 @miranda920 @SARdoghandler and @Dinashadow

Hi I’m at work, I should be leaving soon

 

[Stagg737]

Sorry, ridiculous weekend call days plus not seeing my kid shifted my priorities. I've got clinic this afternoon though and a bunch to still catch up on, so I'll be around later. I'm caught up, but need to go back and iso some people.

I've got mixed feelings on Barks and not sure how I feel about that N1 protection claim unless there's details I'm missing. Nate is....idk. He posted the VCA sheet and I know he's contributed some, but for some reason I'm not recalling any of his actual arguments and they're not standing out as meaningful. Could be I'm just exhausted and not registering them, so going to go back and reread. Same thing with Clem, idk where he stands at all which is a bit concerning given last game.

There was also something in a write-up that I want to look into more, but don't want to say too much yet, because I think someone may be able to be at least somewhat mechanically cleared.

I'm honestly kind of lost right now and was hoping village bloc would be able to carry more, but I'll try and give some decent reads after clinic.

For now:

Vote Alley

I may change to Nate or Barks after some rereading, but Alley is my strongest wolf lean right now as I don't really see village cred here other than the ability claim, which Idk how much credit to give based on write-ups.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm honestly kind of lost right now and was hoping village bloc would be able to carry more

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Those with more experience in the SDN game design universe:

Would it be atypical (enough to be noteworthy) to have such numerous means of protection in a game (or just kill prevention/disruption) as this would theoretically be?

samac - commuter
Santy - hider
Zenge - redirector
alley - bodyguard
Barky - something including a protection

 

[NateTheLesser]

EOD Wagons​

Really can't stop thinking that there must be at least one more wolf offwagon in the d1 vote.. (with the obvious disclaimer that I was voting Stagg until the last minute, so I understand if people lump me in with that group). So that's what I'm pondering.

I lean town on lucy, and at one point that day she was the leading vote, the most interesting part of which is that neither Vis or Mighty voted for her. Which to me makes it another good spot to look for a wolf partner. At her high water mark the count was lucy 5 / Vis 4 / mighty 3 / miranda 1, and lucy's wagon was:
PSV / Lawpy / Santy / alley / miranda

Really don't think that wagon is pure, and Lawpy appearing in both places concerns me. Does anyone have a strong townread on him (without relying on AM's godread)?

Both alley and Barks would fall in the category of making a possibly defensive vote early and then not moving.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Those with more experience in the SDN game design universe:

Would it be atypical (enough to be noteworthy) to have such numerous means of protection in a game (or just kill prevention/disruption) as this would theoretically be?

samac - commuter
Santy - hider
Zenge - redirector
alley - bodyguard
Barky - something including a protection

They tend to go heavy on the madness part of role madness, but I only have a little more experience here than you do.

 

[WildZoo]

Those with more experience in the SDN game design universe:

Would it be atypical (enough to be noteworthy) to have such numerous means of protection in a game (or just kill prevention/disruption) as this would theoretically be?

samac - commuter
Santy - hider
Zenge - redirector
alley - bodyguard
Barky - something including a protection

Blah that thought crossed my mind but I hadn't verbalized it yet because like, I've run games with multiple different kinds of the same category of abilities just to **** with people.

It depends entirely on game balance and mechanics and the wolf abilities. It did strike me as a bit odd but I don't think it is actionable, particularly because it seems like wolves may have a strongarm of some sort, AND had a day vig and a double kill.

 

[Lawpy]

Really can't stop thinking that there must be at least one more wolf offwagon in the d1 vote.. (with the obvious disclaimer that I was voting Stagg until the last minute, so I understand if people lump me in with that group). So that's what I'm pondering.

I lean town on lucy, and at one point that day she was the leading vote, the most interesting part of which is that neither Vis or Mighty voted for her. Which to me makes it another good spot to look for a wolf partner. At her high water mark the count was lucy 5 / Vis 4 / mighty 3 / miranda 1, and lucy's wagon was:
PSV / Lawpy / Santy / alley / miranda

Really don't think that wagon is pure, and Lawpy appearing in both places concerns me. Does anyone have a strong townread on him (without relying on AM's godread)?

Both alley and Barks would fall in the category of making a possibly defensive vote early and then not moving.

Even without relying on a godread, it should be pretty clear why my actions in late D1 are unpairing.

 

[genny]

Those with more experience in the SDN game design universe:

Would it be atypical (enough to be noteworthy) to have such numerous means of protection in a game (or just kill prevention/disruption) as this would theoretically be?

samac - commuter
Santy - hider
Zenge - redirector
alley - bodyguard
Barky - something including a protection

Seems pretty normal to me. Especially if that bomb would have killed more than just Samac if she had anyone else acting on her last night.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sound points, thanks squad

 

[NateTheLesser]

Even without relying on a godread, it should be pretty clear why my actions in late D1 are unpairing.

Your actions late D1 are why I'm interested! I'll grant that you voted mighty a couple hours before EOD, that looks good. But then you moved off to stoat and then Stagg (and before that you were the 2nd vote on the earlier stoat wagon and the 2nd vote on the lucy wagon before that). The other thing that looks good is you contingency yeeted Vis before D2 started, so I'm weighing those things too.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Really can't stop thinking that there must be at least one more wolf offwagon in the d1 vote.. (with the obvious disclaimer that I was voting Stagg until the last minute, so I understand if people lump me in with that group). So that's what I'm pondering.

I lean town on lucy, and at one point that day she was the leading vote, the most interesting part of which is that neither Vis or Mighty voted for her. Which to me makes it another good spot to look for a wolf partner. At her high water mark the count was lucy 5 / Vis 4 / mighty 3 / miranda 1, and lucy's wagon was:
PSV / Lawpy / Santy / alley / miranda

Really don't think that wagon is pure, and Lawpy appearing in both places concerns me. Does anyone have a strong townread on him (without relying on AM's godread)?

Both alley and Barks would fall in the category of making a possibly defensive vote early and then not moving.

The portion I bolded would seem to be the critical element of your perspective. If you could summarize that impression in just a few words, how would you?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is when I remember "contingency voting" is not some honorary thing but actually carries game weight.

 

[WildZoo]

Hmm.

Contemplating who Nate's most likely partner would be if wolf, but also what 2 options would be left if he's village.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Even without relying on a godread, it should be pretty clear why my actions in late D1 are unpairing.

I also think you and Barks are not w/w, and you and lucy are not w/w. (And based on claims I don't think Barks and alley are w/w). So if I'm looking in the right grouping and we can get a wolf flip there, I think we can add some more people to the clears based on those connections.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@WildZoo was what samac told you consistent with Barky's claim?

 

[WildZoo]

@WildZoo was what samac told you consistent with Barky's claim?

Yeah, I mean all she really told me was that she got a protection notification in addition to the bodyguard one

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

unvote Barky
vote Nate

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@NateTheLesser what is your impression of Lawpy apart from voting factors?

 

[Lawpy]

Your actions late D1 are why I'm interested! I'll grant that you voted mighty a couple hours before EOD, that looks good. But then you moved off to stoat and then Stagg (and before that you were the 2nd vote on the earlier stoat wagon and the 2nd vote on the lucy wagon before that). The other thing that looks good is you contingency yeeted Vis before D2 started, so I'm weighing those things too.

Yes pls, that’s the idea because i wanted to reestablish the tie. Mighty’s reaction is what makes it unpairing.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yes pls, that’s the idea because i wanted to reestablish the tie. Mighty’s reaction is what makes it unpairing.

Would you happen to have this reaction handy? I can find it if necessary.

 

[NateTheLesser]

The portion I bolded would seem to be the critical element of your perspective. If you could summarize that impression in just a few words, how would you?

She seems more like disengaged town than a disengaged wolf to me. I don't recall when exactly she was active on day one, but Vis was on the board right from the jump, so I'd expect a w!lucy to at least toss out a cursory defensive vote at some point even if she wasn't going to be that involved.

 

[Lawpy]

@JaggedJimmyJay see below

Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally

View attachment 367922

Vis (5) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (3) - Nate, Santy, mighty
mighty (6) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda, Lawpy
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (2) - PSV, alley
stoat ()

@mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!

18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.

Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~30 minutes).

Hmm

Unyeet mighty
Yeet stoaty

Lawpy, I'm not sure what this experiment is, but I'll bite

Unyeet stagg yeet stoaty

Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally

View attachment 367924

Vis (5) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (2) - Nate, Santy
mighty (5) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (2) - PSV, alley
stoat (2) - Lawpy, mighty

@Viscernable and @mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!
A tie

18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.

Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~25 minutes).

Thinking

Unyeet stoaty
Yeet Staggs

Okay, I'm officially confused now as well

Most humans fear the unknown... - Day 1 Tally

View attachment 367925

Vis (5) - Zenge, AM, Stagg, stoat, Dubz
miranda (1) - Barky
Dubz ()
Stagg (3) - Nate, Santy, Lawpy
mighty (5) - samac, JJJ, Clem, SAR, miranda
Zenge ()
Santy (1) - Vis
alley ()
Nate ()
lucy (2) - PSV, alley
stoat (1) - mighty

@Viscernable and @mightyrunner7, you are in the lead!
A tie

18/19 voting
Missing: @lucy.

Vote closes today, 3/17, at 10 PM CDT (~10 minutes).

Tbh I dont get why Lawpy voted stoat in that situation

Or why Mighty followed that vote

Or why Mighty isnt voting back Stagg now that Lawpy is voting stagg

unyeet stoat yeet stagg

What made you be late at the switch?

Are you in dnd still?

 

[WildZoo]

That would be kinda odd for coordinated wolf voting lol

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That would be kinda odd for coordinated wolf voting lol

Agreed. It's conceivable that it could be uncoordinated wolf voting. I don't think that's my first guess though. mighty looks like he is being taken for a ride.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Agreed. It's conceivable that it could be uncoordinated wolf voting. I don't think that's my first guess though. mighty looks like he is being taken for a ride.

To be clear I don't mean that like "bus"; I mean that in the colloquial sense

 

[alleycat03]

Well

So I thought I was protected last night but maybe that was @alleycat03

samac didn't tell me the wording of the two results so I'm not sure how she differentiated them.

In any case, someone picked me over Zenge, which is SILLY BECAUSE WOLVES DON'T FEAR DUBZ

'twas me I thought since you talked so much the wolves would want you gone first

Also I sent a postcard to zenge asking if he'd eaten a microwaved egg recently and I thought he died from shock at first