StardeWW Valley - GAME THREAD

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Wow look at you True, actually opening a discussion into your affiliation. What a role model. I should do that too cause AM will eat me for breakfast if I let myself get misyeeted and the village loses another villager. And shorty will turn me into a fur scarf.

But I think I have already been on and off addressing wolfy reads of me so I'll see what folks say about you first :eyebrow:
 
bluestoat said:
Wow look at you True, actually opening a discussion into your affiliation. What a role model. I should do that too cause AM will eat me for breakfast if I let myself get misyeeted and the village loses another villager. And shorty will turn me into a fur scarf.

But I think I have already been on and off addressing wolfy reads of me so I'll see what folks say about you first :eyebrow:
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I mean, it's pretty easy opening discussion on my affiliation when I know that I have a village-reason for all of my posts (even if those reasons are dumb in retrospect 😅)
 
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WildZoo said:
Wouldn't that be nice

Edit: Hit enter too early lol
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Idk Zenge was like "your village read of me is creeping me out" but he was a strawberry. I don't feel wolfy about True.

I was debating breaking the tie last night to go to kdswg but genny already made the yeet work so I felt comfy cozy on the vote I was at. Today I was going to look at a possible Zenge convert but he ded, and then I was going to look at Bob and PSV.
 
Truenamer said:
1. These write-ups are wonderful, I really enjoy reading them

2. Oh CRAP they got two kills. Unless one was a vigilante?

3. Since kds wasn't a converter we should still be wary for the chance of a conversion, right?
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2. Why would a vigilante target cubs or zenge?

3. This seems like asking a question you already know the answer to.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
2. Why would a vigilante target cubs or zenge?

3. This seems like asking a question you already know the answer to.
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2. We've seen some messy vig kills in our day

3. Less rhetorical than you'd think, if you read the responses Dubz gave True (which, incidentally, corrected my assumption that of course a converter is more likely than not)
 
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BobLoblaw78 said:
2. Why would a vigilante target cubs or zenge?

3. This seems like asking a question you already know the answer to.
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2. They wouldn't target Cubs, but Zenge was still in people's POEs. Less so than like, you or PSV or me or Stoat, but still.

3. Yes, the point was to spark some conversation and also confirm my assumption with people who've played more games.
 
kdswg on Bob, didn't find direct interactions

kdswg said:
I feel like I haven't really seen anything of substance from bob, barks, sporty, and genny, so I haven't seen enough to get a read on any of them. Dana hasn't said much other than jumping on what other have said about me so I would be interested in more from her
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kdswg said:
Genny is a wildcard, she could be with pretty much anyone. Of the players I dont really have a read on, bob and PSV don't seem to have given much thought to cubs
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kdswg said:
well, looks like another night of voting for self-prez
unyeet cubs
yeet bob
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Truenamer said:
2. They wouldn't target Cubs, but Zenge was still in people's POEs. Less so than like, you or PSV or me or Stoat, but still.

3. Yes, the point was to spark some conversation and also confirm my assumption with people who've played more games.
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Addition to 2. Wolf vig kills seem to be a role that's shown up on rare occasion
 
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Bob on kdswg, pre-flip just the one comment.
I included the second one that came post-flip because it felt fake to me.

kdswg said:
few thoughts, mostly vibes at this point. Maybe its noob solidarity but true is leaning slightly village for me, kinda seems like he's village trying to learn from village mistakes in past game. I was genny's sidecar in bounty hunting, and their vibe seems the same although with the mechanics of that game idk if thats helpful. Neutral on most others.

I'm probably missing something but why is the consensus that you and cubs are v/v? Some of your interactions seem like they could be pocketing. I've gotten worse vibes from him, and I dont like how he village read some for joke posting and wolf read others for the same
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BobLoblaw78 said:
I have no idea on previous noob behavior so I am going to be spitballing with them.

Samac and cubs seem to have more of this interaction that feels sus when they are v/v
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BobLoblaw78 said:
How were you so sure about Kdswg??
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BobLoblaw78 said:
I would think vig shot/extra kill plus 2 wolves plus conversion is getting excessive
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That's not the conclusion I think anyone was jumping to lol. Which furthers True's asking about conversion not being rhetorical-- Dubz's response was illuminating for me as well. It is helpful for interpreting possible wolf PRs and getting insight into the game.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I would think vig shot/extra kill plus 2 wolves plus conversion is getting excessive
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Thinking about math
14 player game, starting 12:2, add in a convert that's 11:3. If the extra kill is balanced as guaranteed, that's 10:3. So wolves would need 7 village deaths for parity, which is 4 misyeets. That doesn't really seem crazy to me for a 3 wolf pack, especially given night kills aren't guaranteed, what with the jailer and backup, and conversion (if it exists) might take multiple attempts with the protector.
 
I'm leaning towards wolves started with 2 or 3, 2 if the conversion exists, and also leaning towards it hasn't happened yet given lack of writeup hints.

But it's also possible they started with 1 and conversion did happen and just wasn't hinted at. That's a darker timeline that I'm not giving much thought to yet. My point is just that you can't really say "this seems excessive" without knowing the whole roleset.
 
samac (1) - AM
dubz (1) - Sporty
genny (1) - cubs
Zenge (1) - dubz
AM (1) - samac
cubs (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - dubz, genny
stoat (1) - kdsw
Zenge (1) - genny
Sporty (1) - dubz
cubs (2) - Barks, True
AM () -
kdsw (1) - samac
genny () -
kdsw (2) - samac, cubs
dubz (2) - Sporty, Bob
Barks (1) - stoat
kdsw (3) - samac, cubs, Dana
samac () -
kdsw (4) - samac, cubs, Dana, AM
stoat () -
cubs (1) - True
Dana (1) - Barks
Sporty () -
AM (1) - dubz
AM () -
cubs (2) - True, kdws
stoat (1) - psv
stoat () -
genny (1) - psv
kdsw (3) - samac, Dana, AM
kdsw (2) - Dana, AM
Zenge (2) - genny, samac
Zenge (1) - genny
True (1) - samac
Sporty (1) - dubz
Barks () -
cubs (3) - True, kdws, stoat
cubs (2) - True, kdws
Barks (1) - stoat
cubs (1) - kdws
Sporty (2) - dubz, Zenge
Bob (1) - cubs
cubs () -
Dana (2) - Barks, kdws
Dana (1) - Barks
Dana (2) - Barks, True
Dana (3) - Barks, True, kdws
True () -
Sporty (3) - dubz, Zenge, samac
kdws (1) - AM
Sporty (4) - dubz, Zenge, samac, Dana
dubz (1) - Bob
kdws (2) - AM, Sporty
genny () -
kdws (3) - AM, Sporty, psv
Barks () -
Dana (4) - Barks, True, kdws, stoat
Sporty (3) - Zenge, samac, Dana
Dana (5) - Barks, True, kdws, stoat, dubz

14/14
Sporty (1) - Bob
Sporty (2) - Bob, stoat
genny (1) - dubz
kdsw (1) - AM
Bob (1) - True
cubs (1) - kdsw
kdsw (2) - AM, cubs
Sporty (3) - Bob, stoat, Zenge
stoat (1) - Sporty
stoat (2) - Sporty, psv
True (1) - Barks
genny () -
Sporty (4) - Bob, stoat, Zenge, dubz
stoat (1) - psv
Sporty (5) - Bob, stoat, Zenge, dubz, Sporty
Sporty (4) - Bob, stoat, dubz, Sporty
Sporty (3) - Bob, stoat, Sporty
Sporty (2) - Bob, Sporty
psv (1) - stoat
dubz (1) - Zenge
stoat () -
AM (1) - psv
genny (1) - dubz
AM () -
Bob (2) - True, psv
psv () -
Bob (3) - True, psv, stoat
Sporty (1) - Bob
stoat (1) - Sporty
Bob (2) - True, psv
True () -
kdsw (3) - AM, cubs, Barks
kdsw (4) - AM, cubs, Barks, genny
cubs () -
Barks (1) - stoat
Bob (3) - True, psv, kdws

12/12
 
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It's curious that the write-up mentions "parsnip empire" by name since that's what True was making jokes about, but that could just be me reading too far into it.
Are you confident we would get a hint in the write-up @WildZoo if there was a conversion?
 
potentialsheltervet said:
It's curious that the write-up mentions "parsnip empire" by name since that's what True was making jokes about, but that could just be me reading too far into it.
Are you confident we would get a hint in the write-up @WildZoo if there was a conversion?
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Buying only parsnips is mathematically the correct choice if you're trying to optimize your farm.

I sincerely doubt I'm the only one who figured that out.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
It's curious that the write-up mentions "parsnip empire" by name since that's what True was making jokes about, but that could just be me reading too far into it.
Are you confident we would get a hint in the write-up @WildZoo if there was a conversion?
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I got the implication that Zenge, Samac, and Truenamer ALL are/were growing parsnip enterprises

*Looks at potato patch* Glad I diversified
 
Truenamer said:
Buying only parsnips is mathematically the correct choice if you're trying to optimize your farm.

I sincerely doubt I'm the only one who figured that out.
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I've been wanting to grow a kale empire just to spite your math, but I can't quite screw myself out of easy gold like that
 
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potentialsheltervet said:
Are you confident we would get a hint in the write-up @WildZoo if there was a conversion?
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It's not 100% but most mods will give some kind of hint. I can think of a couple exceptions, but they aren't modding this game.

shorty hasn't run a game before with conversions and I don't think Dina has either (gonna get mod smited for not remembering if she's modded anything else besides Madagascar), so I don't have historical evidence to look back at for them. KD is always a wildcard but we've talked about converts AND HOW AWFUL THEY ARE and I think she would lean towards a hint.
 
genny said:
It really depends on how Bob flips. Your voting record looks way worse if he flips village.
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I looked back over my record, and you're right! It looks like Kds jumped on my cubs yeet early on, though she didn't move off when I did and tried to get more folks on it.

Other villagers also got confused by Dana, I regret misyeeting her but I really don't know how to do better on N1.

As for my Bob vote, like I said last night I am happy to be convinced to vote for someone else, but when I lay out everyone he feels like the person who has the fewest village points from my perspective; and that's not even taking into account some of the comments he's made yesterday morning and this morning, which felt disruptive to a cohesive village.
 
WildZoo said:
Bob on kdswg, pre-flip just the one comment.
I included the second one that came post-flip because it felt fake to me.

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Looking back. I think you’d make a better case to say I was fishing for PR. So I probably shouldn’t have asked. But I sincerely just want to get better at wolf hunting. So I was asking what the keys to look for were

i still am very leery of you. I wish there was a way you were cleared more. unfortunately you putting off zenge and then him getting NK’d does not look good at all
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
i still am very leery of you. I wish there was a way you were cleared more. unfortunately you putting off zenge and then him getting NK’d does not look good at all
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You don't think that's way too obvious?
I'm surprised the wolves didn't take out AM given she's essentially known as village right now and is a very unlikely misyeet anyway. My only thought is they may be hoping/planning to convert her later on, and I really don't like that idea.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Looking back. I think you’d make a better case to say I was fishing for PR. So I probably shouldn’t have asked. But I sincerely just want to get better at wolf hunting. So I was asking what the keys to look for were

i still am very leery of you. I wish there was a way you were cleared more. unfortunately you putting off zenge and then him getting NK’d does not look good at all
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I mean, I also wish there was a way I was cleared more lol and I'm annoyed Zenge died because I was still village reading him and I was actually hoping to try to work through things with him today. I get it doesn't look great for me that he's dead, but killing a single voice of dissent isn't really my style.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
You don't think that's way too obvious?
I'm surprised the wolves didn't take out AM given she's essentially known as village right now and is a very unlikely misyeet anyway. My only thought is they may be hoping/planning to convert her later on, and I really don't like that idea.
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The one time I was like "oh, two people died right as they were onto this person," it was an opportune red herring made out of villager. Agreed that that seems very on the nose.
 
Truenamer said:
Something I've been thinking about is, why not AM?

She's as close to "confirmed villager" as someone can be without actual mechanical confirmation.

Unless

Uh, AM, if you've been converted, drop a hint pls?

Edit- lol, Shelty, jinx
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Maybe this is why :heckyeah:

For now AM is a confirmed former villager and possibly still village, so I'd focus on OG wolves and see what happens after that
 
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bluestoat said:
The one time I was like "oh, two people died right as they were onto this person," it was an opportune red herring made out of villager. Agreed that that seems very on the nose.
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If (and I feel like I'm starting to pick on you so I'm really sorry about this, I swear I'm not trying to tunnel there just aren't that many people left in the game) Bob is a wolf, this could explain the no-AM yeet. Basically the last thing she said before bed was that she was suspicious of him. It might have seemed risky to go after her right after that.
 
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