Stranger Things Part 2 - WW Game Thread

[alissa14]

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I’m basically here right now
genny
AM

Vis - was feeling good about her yesterday. If she pushes a vote for after I gave an explanation I’ll move her down.

Barks - idk maybe I’m shifting on the re-read because this was PSV’s top wolf read before her yeet. I need more overall

Alley - need more from her. She was a bit all over the map in terms of where I was placing her in my reads. It seems like she is currently catching up. Will reassess then
True - maybe its the tunnel but I did find some supporting evidence based on when he was scumming last game. I really haven’t played a game with village True yet so I don’t have much of a comparison.

 

[alissa14]

@Truenamer would love updated thoughts on alley once she is caught up and posts more today

 

[alleycat03]

I went back and read/analyzed some of the posts I missed during waffle fest

Vote holding increases the chances of voting wrong.

Just want to second this post by AM, the vote holding last night really frustrated me. Waffle fests and late voting are usually not pro-village.

Rood

Yeet Alley

The push on PSV feels opportunistic and I'm really not sure where else to put it.


I think it's funny that Zenge liked this when he vote and analysis withholds all the time on D1

I feel like this vote came out of nowhere, and I am especially frustrated by the reasoning behind it. I had been discussing PSV/questioning her since her very early AM vote. There was nothing opportunistic about it.

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...you're having a flashback to something you made up in your head that definitely wasn't how his role actually worked?

What game was this from?
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Hmmm I dislike that I have PSV, True, and Alley all in a pot of evil together. They’re like a love triangle except for sus. A sus triangle

Obviously PSV flipped now, but do you think True and I are actually w/w compatible?

Oho, a tie possibility?

Vote alley

Vis, was there reasoning behind this? Or you just wanted to make a tie?

I kinda like an alley yeet not gonna lie. And a tie in this small of a game is spicy…. Yet… Dubz was my noob game mod…. And I shall never forget “The Tie Lesson”

So was your last-minute vote for me just based on a gut feel?

I’m just struggling with the random wagon coming in the last 10 minutes with very little reasoning behind it. I’d probably still be focused on this weird vote movement if it wasn’t swinging to me, but it still strikes me as really weird.

Votes without solid reasoning always strike me as wolfy.

 

[alissa14]

Obviously PSV flipped now, but do you think True and I are actually w/w compatible?

No not at all, that’s why I’m struggling. Where are your feels for him now?

So was your last-minute vote for me just based on a gut feel?

Yeah kinda. I was switching between SPF and catching up on thread and some of your posts seemed different in tone from CYOIII where I was able to village read you correctly.

I’m just struggling with the random wagon coming in the last 10 minutes with very little reasoning behind it. I’d probably still be focused on this weird vote movement if it wasn’t swinging to me, but it still strikes me as really weird.

Votes without solid reasoning always strike me as wolfy.

But this full analysis feels better to me. What are your thoughts on barks? Would love a quick little list bc this game is so small I think a lot can be gained where people are placed

 

[supershorty]

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What game was this from?
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LaWWpy. It did not work like Zenge said
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[alissa14]

open to changing should something arise but the only one im still feeling icky about, especially after looking back and comparing to CYOIII I’m going to

Yeet true

I wish PSV was still here to see if she is still solidly village reading him

 

[alissa14]

Omg i realized another name for you… PlayStation 5… get it? PS…V

Shout out to alley for laughing at my terrible joke that my sleep-deprived brain came up with. Though, sleep-nourished!alissa still finds it hilarious

 

[alleycat03]

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Listen… I eat the bougie kodiak chocolate chip pancakes now… I am a changed woman

The protein pancakes???
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I know I was part of the problem by voting late, but the rapid consolidation on PSV right before close could be viewed as protecting Alley.

I would actually argue that it was a rapid consolidation on me at the end. Looking at the vote progression, the votes for PSV trickled in over a few hours, meanwhile I got 3 votes less than 20 minutes to close.

Idk how true is when wolf but when I am a wolf I tend to check wolf chat before thread. I thought his reaction to the PSV fake flip seemed off, but if wolf, I would assume he wouldn’t have done something like that because it would bring a lot of unnecessary attention on him.

I think it boils down to WIFOM. If he’s a wolf, he could be bemoaning the loss of PSV to gain village cred and “acting” like he had no clue it was a fake write up. Or he was genuinely surprised. Also there’s no guarantee that he did or didn’t check wolf chat unless he tells us 😂

Ughhhh I had a bunch of shorty/true quotes from the last game where shorty was sus of him the whole time but stupid mobile SDN. True’s comments to shorty like “Is that why you've been upset with me this game?” kind of evoked the same feeling of AtE with his comment to me yesterday “Did I do something to offend you?” shorty also explicitly pointed out that True tends to look for approval when posting as wolf. He hasnt been doing that this game but maybe it is because it was explicitly pointed out…

I agree about the questioning. Shorty has a god read on him and I see some similarities between this game and CYO III. A lot of the posts last night tingled me, especially the ones before the write up acting like he knew without a doubt that PSV was village. Just seemed really performative and accusatory.

 

[alissa14]

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The protein pancakes???
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I would actually argue that it was a rapid consolidation on me at the end. Looking at the vote progression, the votes for PSV trickled in over a few hours, meanwhile I got 3 votes less than 20 minutes to close.

I think it boils down to WIFOM. If he’s a wolf, he could be bemoaning the loss of PSV to gain village cred and “acting” like he had no clue it was a fake write up. Or he was genuinely surprised. Also there’s no guarantee that he did or didn’t check wolf chat unless he tells us 😂

I agree about the questioning. Shorty has a god read on him and I see some similarities between this game and CYO III. A lot of the posts last night tingled me, especially the ones before the write up acting like he knew without a doubt that PSV was village. Just seemed really performative and accusatory.

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Yesss the protein pancakes!!!
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I keep asking myself, would shorty be screaming to yeet true (like she might be in sub chat) if she were here on thread? My guess is yes

 

[alleycat03]

No not at all, that’s why I’m struggling. Where are your feels for him now?

Feeling pretty wolfy. I’m probably voting there today unless someone starts howling.

Yeah kinda. I was switching between SPF and catching up on thread and some of your posts seemed different in tone from CYOIII where I was able to village read you correctly.

SPF? Like the thread on SDN or something else?

But this full analysis feels better to me. What are your thoughts on barks? Would love a quick little list bc this game is so small I think a lot can be gained where people are placed

Barks is an enigma right now. I was feeling better about her earlier on D1, but her behavior later in the day didn’t feel great. Historically I’m horrible at reading her, but usually it’s a bad feeling from the start. I’d like to see a lot more from her and get an explanation on the PSV vote (because as far as I remember, she didn’t clarify that).

Like I said earlier, votes without solid reasoning smell fishy to me. It’s an easy way for a wolf to blend in.

List right now:
Genny>>AM>>>Alissa=Barks>Vis>>>True

 

[potentialsheltervet]

SPF? Like the thread on SDN or something else?

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Sunscreen, obviously.
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[alleycat03]

I’m feeling better about Alissa today based on her contributions, especially feels like she’s wolf hunting with the true vote/ISOing.

@genny @Animal Midwife what are y’all seeing that I’m not?

 

[alleycat03]

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Sunscreen, obviously.
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I was just curious why she was reading SPF (dumpster fire part of the SDN forum) vs catching up on the game thread

 

[Truenamer]

I agree about the questioning. Shorty has a god read on him and I see some similarities between this game and CYO III. A lot of the posts last night tingled me, especially the ones before the write up acting like he knew without a doubt that PSV was village. Just seemed really performative and accusatory.

Just to push back here, shorty has a good read on me but by no accounts a god read. I've seen her comments in tot chats and deadchats, and she does not have the same level of accuracy that PSV does.

 

[alissa14]

I was just curious why she was reading SPF (dumpster fire part of the SDN forum) vs catching up on the game thread

Listen… some folks over there like to fight and I was feeling scrappy

Edit: cray is a regular in the abortion and LGBTQIA+ threads and always has great insight

 

[alleycat03]

Driving through rural Oklahoma and I just saw the cutest calf frolicking in a field omg

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m feeling better about Alissa today based on her contributions, especially feels like she’s wolf hunting with the true vote/ISOing.

@genny @Animal Midwife what are y’all seeing that I’m not?

Nothing outside of what I already stated. I'm less confident about the alissa vote than I was the PSV vote, so I'm definitely okay with pressure being applied in other places as well. Even if alissa's a wolf, she would still have a partner so no need to all be on the same wagon.

 

[alleycat03]

Listen… some folks over there like to fight and I was feeling scrappy

I understand, but am I understanding that you were posting there instead of catching up on the thread? That kind of bothers me since you had such little time to post last night before vote close ☹️

Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but that does kinda bother me since you weren’t here for most of yesterday.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Just to push back here, shorty has a good read on me but by no accounts a god read. I've seen her comments in tot chats and deadchats, and she does not have the same level of accuracy that PSV does.

Well, this seems untrue. When has shorty been wrong?

 

[alleycat03]

Just to push back here, shorty has a good read on me but by no accounts a god read. I've seen her comments in tot chats and deadchats, and she does not have the same level of accuracy that PSV does.

Didn’t you legit kill her N1 in the last game because of how fast she figured you out?

Shorty’s not playing in this game, but it just doesn’t hold much stock in my mind that you claim PSV has an even better read on you. Especially since you’re the one saying that and PSV isn’t around to second that

 

[Truenamer]

Well, this seems untrue. When has shorty been wrong?

She's been fine in actual games, it's just been spec chat and deadchat where she's been offbase, which is what Alley was referring to.

 

[Truenamer]

Didn’t you legit kill her N1 in the last game because of how fast she figured you out?

Shorty’s not playing in this game, but it just doesn’t hold much stock in my mind that you claim PSV has an even better read on you. Especially since you’re the one saying that and PSV isn’t around to second that

It was literally the last thing PSV said last night before she got misyeeted? This feels like an extremely forced line of attack.

 

[alleycat03]

She's been fine in actual games, it's just been spec chat and deadchat where she's been offbase, which is what Alley was referring to.

No. Shorty had you nailed as scum on D1 of CYOIII. I didn’t even read 95% of CYO’s dead chat so that’s not what I’m referring to at all.

 

[alleycat03]

It was literally the last thing PSV said last night before she got misyeeted? This feels like an extremely forced line of attack.

🤔
I think you’re altering the narrative here, how are you quantifying PSV’s read on you being so much better than shorty’s?

 

[Animal Midwife]

She's been fine in actual games, it's just been spec chat and deadchat where she's been offbase, which is what Alley was referring to.

tbh that's the only stuff that matters to me. Spec and dead can't impact the game in any meaningful way. Only players do.

Just the same, if someone has perfect reads only after they die, they don't really have perfect reads.

 

[Truenamer]

No. Shorty had you nailed as scum on D1 of CYOIII. I didn’t even read 95% of CYO’s dead chat so that’s not what I’m referring to at all.

And why are you so fixated on putting words in shorty's mouth? It just feels *incredibly* forced.

 

[alleycat03]

I swear on my reading card he is village.

This is the post I found @Truenamer
Is that what you’re referring to?

 

[alissa14]

True is already a village lean.

You're definitely getting a card after this game, you literally haven't been wrong about me since MarWWel.

Feels pocket-y when re-reading

I wish I knew, I swear she and shorty both need like three posts from me to know my affiliation.

Curious….

There's a strange tonal difference to me when he's scumming. I don't notice it here.

Curious why PSV is so low, she seems pretty PSVish to me.

Though I'm waiting for an outlandish tinfoil or two before I'm willing to move her from neutrals

Very slapdash list while I wait for my reactor to get to temperature. Just my general vibes right now, no one is howling for me yet. genny is the only person I feel like I have a fairly clear read on (not just because she's more active, I know she's sick, but because of the way she's interacting.)

genny

Barks
PSV
Zenge
AM
Alley
Alissa
Vissy

What's got PSV so high and Vis so low?

Vissy's posts when joining the thread felt a little weird to me. Not enough to vote for her yet, but she's the only person who's made me frown so far. I get that it might just be "got here late and catching up" energy, but it's something.

PSV seems pretty normal to me so far. Her wave function hasn't collapsed yet, and until it does I'm going to be treating her like village PSV. There's a few things she does near the end of D1 and after N1 that will help clarify things for me.

Anything specifically look weird?

What is a wave function? I guess I'm mainly confused since, two hours ago, you said she was neutral and you wouldn't be moving her unless she shared a crazy tinfoil. She hasn't posted at all since this statement and has been moved all the way to village.

Love this from AM

1. I can't call out anything besides the "and overexplained" comment as being especially uncomfy. It was just her overall thread entrance that felt a little off.

2. I'm saying PSV exists as both wolf and nonwolf until I see some stuff that I can't say because that would change her behavior. And she is neutral, just high neutral; the only person who's gotten enough 'points' to move out of the blob is genny.

But yet the minute she was yeeted, it was “great job on the misyeet village”

And you, actually, this aggressive questioning is quintessentially Village!AM. I'm moving you up with genny.

This in bold feels like an appeal to AM to stop the 20Qs. Trust me, it doesnt work, I’ve tried lol.


I don’t like this at all either. The minute PSV offer’s a village LEAN he affirms her and says “oh I need to give you a reading card” and then she continues on her True read for the rest of the night. Maybe that’s why he fought so hard to try to keep her alive because he knew she would flip village and could continue to affirm her read of him and try to pocket her.

 

[alleycat03]

And why are you so fixated on putting words in shorty's mouth? It just feels *incredibly* forced.

Shorty’s read on you doesn’t matter to this game since she’s not playing. But I’m confused on why you’re saying PSV has a reading card that’s so much more accurate than shorty’s, and why you came to that conclusion

 

[alissa14]

I understand, but am I understanding that you were posting there instead of catching up on the thread? That kind of bothers me since you had such little time to post last night before vote close ☹️

Not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but that does kinda bother me since you weren’t here for most of yesterday.

I admit it wasnt fair of me and very anti-village.

 

[Truenamer]

Feels pocket-y when re-reading

Curious….











Love this from AM

But yet the minute she was yeeted, it was “great job on the misyeet village”

This in bold feels like an appeal to AM to stop the 20Qs. Trust me, it doesnt work, I’ve tried lol.


I don’t like this at all either. The minute PSV offer’s a village LEAN he affirms her and says “oh I need to give you a reading card” and then she continues on her True read for the rest of the night. Maybe that’s why he fought so hard to try to keep her alive because he knew she would flip village and could continue to affirm her read of him and try to pocket her.

You're actively ignoring some of my posts to build your own fake narrative.

This is just actively, aggressively scummy.

Yeet Alissa.

 

[alleycat03]

Didn’t you legit kill her N1 in the last game because of how fast she figured you out?

Shorty’s not playing in this game, but it just doesn’t hold much stock in my mind that you claim PSV has an even better read on you. Especially since you’re the one saying that and PSV isn’t around to second that

Quoting this again @Truenamer because you didn’t answer my question or acknowledge my second point

 

[alissa14]

I swear on my reading card he is village.

Didn’t you legit kill her N1 in the last game because of how fast she figured you out?

Shorty’s not playing in this game, but it just doesn’t hold much stock in my mind that you claim PSV has an even better read on you. Especially since you’re the one saying that and PSV isn’t around to second that

I wonder if this logic can be applied to the night kill choice from last night. I definitely thought it was a weird choice tbh

 

[alleycat03]

And why are you so fixated on putting words in shorty's mouth? It just feels *incredibly* forced.

Also I didn’t put any words in shorty’s mouth. I’m very confused on how that’s the conclusion you came to here.

 

[Viscernable]

Maybe I need your magic fan that helps you pass out on game nights

What fan? That noise is pure snoring

 

[alleycat03]

I admit it wasnt fair of me and very anti-village.

It’s okay, and I appreciate you contributing today

 

[alissa14]

You're actively ignoring some of my posts to build your own fake narrative.

This is just actively, aggressively scummy.

Yeet Alissa.

I’m sorry for only including the ones where things seem off or sketchy and then pointing out why I think they are off or sketchy. Next time I’ll be sure to include every post you have posted in a game in my analysis.

And I dont see how trying to use logic and reasoning as “aggressively scummy.” Im sorry I’ve been after you all day but you have pinged me so I had to dive into why and when I did that, it did not make me feel better, it made me feel worse. Sorry if you dont like the way I wolf hunt.

 

[alleycat03]

I swear on my reading card he is village.

I wonder if this logic can be applied to the night kill choice from last night. I definitely thought it was a weird choice tbh

How does zenge’s death relate to True? Can he also read True really well?

 

[alissa14]

What fan? That noise is pure snoring

I vaguely remember a fan sound but maybe im just remembering your snoring lol

 

[Truenamer]

Quoting this again @Truenamer because you didn’t answer my question or acknowledge my second point

She was putting active pressure on me, along with PShelty. Between the two of them, shorty was a little more aggressive and had more village clout, so she was the pick. Helped that she'd joked about trying to complete an NK bingo and an N1 kill was what she needed.

genny was in Alien-chat, I discussed the kill with her. It was about the active on-thread pressure, not some kind of soul read.

 

[Truenamer]

How does zenge’s death relate to True? Can he also read True really well?

He does not have a history of reading me like shorty or PSV or Stoat, and he was putting no pressure on me yesterday.

 

[Viscernable]

Vis - was feeling good about her yesterday. If she pushes a vote for after I gave an explanation I’ll move her down.

I’m still torn on how I feel about this. If you just straight did this withhout announcing it I’d feel worse about you. The way you’re going about it feels more like bullying people away from voting suspecting you than it does like evaluating how someone is pushing you. Someone not accepting your explanation as 100% what happened doesn’t mean they’re pushing you in bad faith.

But then, this bold stating of “I’m gonna OMGUS it” doesn’t feel like wolf alissa. Like, that’s balls to the wall crazy powerwolfing.

 

[Viscernable]

On True, I really don’t see what you’re seeing except for the over-stating how village he is

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm trying to remember the other game that had a Zenge N1 this year. I'm going to take a shower real quick, but if anyone remembers the game while I'm in there, let me know.

 

[Viscernable]

Vis, was there reasoning behind this? Or you just wanted to make a tie?

Wanted to see vote movement, plus my previously mentioned concerns

 

[genny]

I'm trying to remember the other game that had a Zenge N1 this year. I'm going to take a shower real quick, but if anyone remembers the game while I'm in there, let me know.

sounds like something i've done as a wolf

 

[Truenamer]

sounds like something i've done as a wolf

Was that the you me Dana game? Think that was my first woofing

 

[Viscernable]

I would actually argue that it was a rapid consolidation on me at the end. Looking at the vote progression, the votes for PSV trickled in over a few hours, meanwhile I got 3 votes less than 20 minutes to close.

And what’s your analysis of that?

 

[alissa14]

Can I get your more detailed thoughts on True? I feel like you, Lawpy, shorty, PSV are all seeing something I’m missing.

Agree. I think Vis is village too, so that’s a lot of people who are all agreeing True is scum. I’ve never actually played with scum True so I wouldn’t know what he looks like scumming.

I’m willing to try here. They are just too many strong villager who are/were all in agreement about this to ignore.

Yeet True

Perhaps I am misremembering Zenge’s ability to read True

Alissa not being here is currently insert @capri1722 shrug here.

But True holding his vote is a tad unsettling.

There are only a few posts I found on ISO with zenge directly mentioning him

Idk what you want from me. You said you would disclose you “why isn’t True voting” theory if you got a Zenge angry.

I gave you an angry react.

Where’s the theory? What’s the retaliation angry about!? Why the Zenge pls?!

I’m getting flash backs to the game where Cubs had some super power he unlocked if he got the right reacts in the right sequence.

Sadly I dont think PSV mentioned her theory

Rood

Yeet Alley

The push on PSV feels opportunistic and I'm really not sure where else to put it.

He does not have a history of reading me like shorty or PSV or Stoat, and he was putting no pressure on me yesterday.

I’m still torn on how I feel about this. If you just straight did this withhout announcing it I’d feel worse about you. The way you’re going about it feels more like bullying people away from voting suspecting you than it does like evaluating how someone is pushing you. Someone not accepting your explanation as 100% what happened doesn’t mean they’re pushing you in bad faith.

But then, this bold stating of “I’m gonna OMGUS it” doesn’t feel like wolf alissa. Like, that’s balls to the wall crazy powerwolfing.

OMGUS?

I think understand why zenge was killed. He was kind of in the middle of everyone’s reads (nobody can read zenge d1 zingo) and he is historically a good WW player. I think wolves got lucky he was non-vanilla

 

[alissa14]

On True, I really don’t see what you’re seeing except for the over-stating how village he is

Yeah and he was scum when he did that last game. I also find the progression of True’s read of PSV from yesterday concerning