The Republic of Texas Thread - Part VI - The Legacy of Chuck Norris

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baylormed said:
OMG I just found that out! 😀 Armybound, is that regardless of the grade we have?? Because if it is I'm so throwing a party just for that!!
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I've heard this from more than 1 person that have taken the course, but I'm not sure if it was just if you have an A or if you're content with your grade or what. Sorry. I can send an email real quick if you're interested.
 
armybound said:
I've heard this from more than 1 person that have taken the course, but I'm not sure if it was just if you have an A or if you're content with your grade or what. Sorry. I can send an email real quick if you're interested.
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That would be sweet! Thanks 😍

PS. Would you like me to forward you the copies of the immunology material? I had them scanned so they're in my computer.
 
baylormed said:
That would be sweet! Thanks 😍

PS. Would you like me to forward you the copies of the immunology material? I had them scanned so they're in my computer.
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you're actually... HELPING a classmate? and you call yourself Southwestern material.
 
I never got an email from anyone at Baylor. It might have gone in my junk folder.

What did it say?
 
baylormed said:
OMG I just found that out! 😀 Armybound, is that regardless of the grade we have?? Because if it is I'm so throwing a party just for that!!
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For us I think that it was if you had above a 'C'. What sucked for me was that I was graduating in the summer and he would not let me sit the test out!!!

Gotta love Dr. H though. :laugh:
 
Gobble Town said:
For us I think that it was if you had above a 'C'. What sucked for me was that I was graduating in the summer and he would not let me sit the test out!!!

Gotta love Dr. H though. :laugh:
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I know. Hard as you try you cannot hate Dr. H.
 
Ask him! I cannot imagine him saying no. Just be like, "I met a past student who said you serenaded the class on a few occasions, and we were all hoping for our own concert as well..." It is PRICELESS! :bow: Let me know how it goes.
 
i might have to post a separate thread for this because i dont know if it will get skipped over here or not....

but does anyone know about the supposed plans to "move" part of UTMB up to Austin? I'm really more interested to know if they are thinking of moving some residencies there - it would make sense since the hospitals in Austin don't seem to house too many. If you know anything please speak up🙂
 
Beadle said:
i might have to post a separate thread for this because i dont know if it will get skipped over here or not....

but does anyone know about the supposed plans to "move" part of UTMB up to Austin? I'm really more interested to know if they are thinking of moving some residencies there - it would make sense since the hospitals in Austin don't seem to house too many. If you know anything please speak up🙂
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I know there is already an IM residency in Austin (though not very highly ranked if I remember correctly).

I agree! I'd be so super happy if there were some UTMB residencies in Austin. I love Austin sooo much :biglove:
 
armybound said:
Still waiting for him to sing to us..
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He sang for us all of the time in Maastricht. His songs tend to be on the weird/funny side, but very entertaining.
 
NCF145 said:
He sang for us all of the time in Maastricht. His songs tend to be on the weird/funny side, but very entertaining.
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are they related to the material at all or just random songs? I'm going to mention it to him in class tomorrow.

baylormed - the girl who told me about not having to take the final said that she thought it was only if you had an A in the class, but she's heard he's also done it if you have a B. So basically.. I still don't know for sure. He should mention it to us soon though.
 
armybound said:
are they related to the material at all or just random songs? I'm going to mention it to him in class tomorrow.

baylormed - the girl who told me about not having to take the final said that she thought it was only if you had an A in the class, but she's heard he's also done it if you have a B. So basically.. I still don't know for sure. He should mention it to us soon though.
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They are just random. Dr. H will exempt you from your final if you have an A or B, are happy with your current grade, and are graduating this semester.
 
NCF145 said:
He sang for us all of the time in Maastricht. His songs tend to be on the weird/funny side, but very entertaining.
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Cor-rob-or-ated :meanie:

When we were in the renal module in Histo he sang something about a Scurvy she-pirate with one eye...or something.

Man. I bet Maastricht + Dr. H ='d Awesome
 
Beadle --
If you check out the UTMB website for Residents & Fellows, it lists the residency programs that are offered in Austin and has all the details. Also, you can do your 3rd year clerkships in Austin.
So far, the residencies in Austin are:
IM
Neuro
Ob/Gyn
Pediatrics
and a transitional program
 
I know UTMB is planning on starting a gen surg residency in Austin -- I think at Seton (on 38th).

I'm under the impression that all the Austin programs are considered "community programs" and not "university programs," even though they're under UTMB's auspices because it's not actually UTMB faculty serving as attendings. It's much, much harder to get a fellowship out of a community program.
 
3rd. page?!? Unacceptable!!

Chuck Norris is roundkicking this thread all the way back to the top, where it should always be. :horns:
 
armybound said:
did everyone just get accepted and decide they don't need to post on SDN anymore or something?
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Apparently I'm the only weirdo still hanging around here for LONG periods of the day (blame the darn senioritis). :banana:
 
I'm sure everyone has already heard about this. I've been learning more about the Virginia Tech shootings today and they started releasing the names of many of the dead, and it just finally hit me how horrific it was. It's just unimaginable...so horrible, so much life and potential lost.

With so many school shootings when will we, America, ever do something about it? Every time it happens we say it's "unbelievable," and yet it keeps happening and we keep saying it's unbelievable, but what do we do to keep it from happening. Should we focus on gun control, education, prevention? Is there anything at all that can be done?

Personally, I'm sick and tired of it.
 
No - I still check in regularly 😉

I just don't really have anything interesting to say - I've been trying to figure out finaid stuff, refinish a table and reading an inordinate amount of stuff for fun :laugh:
 
tkatchev said:
I'm sure everyone has already heard about this. I've been learning more about the Virginia Tech shootings today and they started releasing the names of many of the dead, and it just finally hit me how horrific it was. It's just unimaginable...so horrible, so much life and potential lost.

With so many school shootings when will we, America, ever do something about it? Every time it happens we say it's "unbelievable," and yet it keeps happening and we keep saying it's unbelievable, but what do we do to keep it from happening. Should we focus on gun control, education, prevention? Is there anything at all that can be done?

Personally, I'm sick and tired of it.
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It's a surprise because these things don't happen every day. The occurrence of it is so slim that gun control will never be any kind of solution.
 
tkatchev said:
I'm sure everyone has already heard about this. I've been learning more about the Virginia Tech shootings today and they started releasing the names of many of the dead, and it just finally hit me how horrific it was. It's just unimaginable...so horrible, so much life and potential lost.

With so many school shootings when will we, America, ever do something about it? Every time it happens we say it's "unbelievable," and yet it keeps happening and we keep saying it's unbelievable, but what do we do to keep it from happening. Should we focus on gun control, education, prevention? Is there anything at all that can be done?

Personally, I'm sick and tired of it.
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Well, if you really want my opinion, I think a lot of it has to do with children never learning proper coping skills. Mental health too, but this guy was obviously very very angry, probably had been for a long time, and his was of dealing was to do this terrible terrible thing. It goes back to the parents, and their parents and so on. And schools, and just everything. It is like a huge blown up version of little kids that kick and hit and bite because they're mad and don't know how to deal with it. It is terrible, terrible terrible terrible. It should never have gotten this far. I've heard a lot that teachers/profs/other people tried to get him help and it went nowhere. What a failure of the system. I just hope VT knows that everyone, especially other colleges/universities are reaching out arms around to uplift them and surround them with our love and support.



On a happier note, I too just don't have a lot to say here on SDN anymore. Most stuff is med school specific so I post on the allopathic thread (gasp!) but I do miss the Texas regulars! I'm also trying to finish up 2nd semester biochem, graduate, and get used to the idea of living in Houston, which involves apartment/buying options, when to move, and panic about living in the big city. I'm excited for newbies to start coming on and asking questions about the application! I enjoy being able to help someone else figure out this crazy system and hopefully make it into medical school! I'm already excited about being an M2 buddy and I'm not even a real M1 yet! :hardy:
 
I saw a "talking heads" guy on the BBC who brought up a pretty good point about narcissism in our generation. He pointed out that many people around our age believe that the world owes them something and if they don't get it, they think it's a grave injustice in some way. To right that injustice, they believe they have the right to lash out at the world in anyway they see fit.

In a much less violent way, you see that in conversations even on this board when people talk about how they've done everything and still haven't gotten into med school. Sometimes the anger just oozes through the monitor.

So I think it's a combo of a lack of coping mechanisms (like AggieSarah said) and an overblown sense of entitlement.
 
Anastasis said:
I saw a "talking heads" guy on the BBC who brought up a pretty good point about narcissism in our generation. He pointed out that many people around our age believe that the world owes them something and if they don't get it, they think it's a grave injustice in some way. To right that injustice, they believe they have the right to lash out at the world in anyway they see fit.

In a much less violent way, you see that in conversations even on this board when people talk about how they've done everything and still haven't gotten into med school. Sometimes the anger just oozes through the monitor.

So I think it's a combo of a lack of coping mechanisms (like AggieSarah said) and an overblown sense of entitlement.
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OOO I do agree with the "overblown sense of entitlement"
What happened to the response "well life's not fair, so you're going to have to get over it" every time I kid complains? Sometimes life isn't fair, you deal, and move on. I've had crappy stuff happen to me, and was it fair. No. Not at all. Had I worked as hard as I possibly could? yeah, stuff just doesn't always pan out and that's just how life is. You gotta learn to roll with it.
 
Anastasis said:
I saw a "talking heads" guy on the BBC who brought up a pretty good point about narcissism in our generation. He pointed out that many people around our age believe that the world owes them something and if they don't get it, they think it's a grave injustice in some way. To right that injustice, they believe they have the right to lash out at the world in anyway they see fit.

In a much less violent way, you see that in conversations even on this board when people talk about how they've done everything and still haven't gotten into med school. Sometimes the anger just oozes through the monitor.

So I think it's a combo of a lack of coping mechanisms (like AggieSarah said) and an overblown sense of entitlement.
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I agree. I don't think children today are taught to accept responsibility and move on when things don't go their way. I don't mean to imply we shouldn't consider feelings during childhood, but we should also teach children to deal with situations on their own in a healthy way, instead of always putting the blame on other children/teachers/the nanny/etc (which seems to be the norm today....i.e, child can't pay attention in class? It must be ADD).

I still think that there is something else involved, though. You have to be seriously disturbed to do what this guy did, taking the lives of 32 people, most of which I'm assuming he had never even met.

Apparently professors had already noticed strange behavior and intense anger coming from him, but since he never made "direct" threats nobody could do anything about it.
 
I was looking for West Wing quotes and I found this clip from the college shooting episode. Kinda spoke to what we were talking about, AggieSarah:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSTTc_-JTpo[/YOUTUBE]
 
I agree with many of the points that people brought up. It's not just a gun control thing, or a mental health thing, or a violence in the media thing, it's an entire societal problem. I too have heard the issue that Anastasis brought up about narcissism in our generation and I think its role in these events may be worth discussing. I also don't think that we can discount anything, even gun control, as contributing to this problem or as a way of preventing it in the future.

armybound said:
It's a surprise because these things don't happen every day. The occurrence of it is so slim that gun control will never be any kind of solution.
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I think that even if these kinds of things don't happen every day, even happening once a year or once a decade is once too many. If gun control can prevent a gun from getting into the hands of even one unstable individual, then its worth considering along with the dozen other issues that surround this tragedy. I would hope that America can move beyond the asinine question of do guns kill people or do people kill people. That really isn't the issue. The fact is that people with guns kill people and if we can do something to keep guns out of the hands of unsafe individuals then we've done our society an enormous justice.

But looking beyond the question of gun control, there are so many more factors to consider. Being a psychology major I know how big a role mental health plays in people's behavior and I know that, unfortunately, our society does a poor job at treating and providing support for those with mental illness. I also know that children are products of their environments, and that imitation is a powerful form of learning. When children see violence they emulate it, and if they see it day after day after day, it becomes a part of them. I could go on all day and I'm sure many of you could list many more issues worth discussing, as you already have.

My biggest concern is that this will turn into a political gun control issue or a video game violence debate while the larger issues related to social responsibility, the mental health system, and the rearing of America's youth will go unexplored.
 
i have mixed feelings about gun control, but i think this event will come down hard on the side of regulation. lax sorts point out that much of the carnage could have been avoided had other students been packing, but at the same time the shootings would not have happened had virginia restricted the purchase of guns to citizens (and seriously, can you believe they haven't in this 9/11 world?) and/or required a training program beforehand that could be terminated by the instructor if the student did not seem responsible. there is clearly much more to it than this, of course, as the explosive paraphernalia in his room indicates he was set on killing people one way or another. society will never find a solution to troubled people.
 
I know that being out of the political loop we can't do everything, but we need to try to hold the politicians accountable. When they make it an issue that really isn't related to this terrible event, we need to call them out, point them in the right direction. It is kind of like when a politician gets interviewed, they are asked a question, and then they give this long drawn out answer that never really answers the question. And NO ONE says anything!!!! Answer the freaking question! And I wish people demanded real answers more often. Sure we can only do so much but don't we have a reason to try?
 
afterthought said:
I'm under the impression that all the Austin programs are considered "community programs" and not "university programs," even though they're under UTMB's auspices because it's not actually UTMB faculty serving as attendings. It's much, much harder to get a fellowship out of a community program.
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Probably, as MS-0s, it's a little early for us to turn up our noses at them anyway. I have yet to understand thoroughly how we can tell the competitiveness of a residency, but I bet we'll all be applying to a spectrum. Anything on the less-competitive end of the spectrum (if we ever figure out where that is) might as well be chosen with an eye to location -- and Austin would be great. San Antonio's my first-favorite, but beggars can't be choosers, can they?

Anastasis said:
I just don't really have anything interesting to say - I've been trying to figure out finaid stuff, refinish a table and reading an inordinate amount of stuff for fun :laugh:
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Do it now! While I was still working full-time (with an evil, self-absorbed, micromanaging boss) and taking two upper-division classes, I realized that I had become a boring person, absolutely incapable of discussing anything that didn't involve work or school. I hadn't read anything elective in months. Hobbies were pretty much out of the question. I'm dreading going through that stage again in med school, but I'm pretty sure that we all will. Thankfully, I have a tolerant husband. Reading anything good?

aggiesarah2007 said:
On a happier note, I too just don't have a lot to say here on SDN anymore. Most stuff is med school specific so I post on the allopathic thread (gasp!) but I do miss the Texas regulars! I'm also trying to finish up 2nd semester biochem, graduate, and get used to the idea of living in Houston, which involves apartment/buying options, when to move, and panic about living in the big city.
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It's nice to have the right to escape pre-allo purgatory, isn't it? and, by the way, ick to the 2nd semester biochem.

baylormed said:
I still think that there is something else involved, though. You have to be seriously disturbed to do what this guy did, taking the lives of 32 people, most of which I'm assuming he had never even met.
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I wonder whether ordinary minds can really understand a mind that does this. I bet lots of psychologists and psychiatrists claim they can, but can they really? I mean, we all probably displayed college-age-angst at one time or another, but how many of us even genuinely (vice rhetorically) wished we were dead? Much less did something about it, much less took 30 strangers with us.
 
Pemberley said:
Do it now! While I was still working full-time (with an evil, self-absorbed, micromanaging boss) and taking two upper-division classes, I realized that I had become a boring person, absolutely incapable of discussing anything that didn't involve work or school. I hadn't read anything elective in months. Hobbies were pretty much out of the question. I'm dreading going through that stage again in med school, but I'm pretty sure that we all will. Thankfully, I have a tolerant husband. Reading anything good?
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I'm one of those people that reads 4 books at any one time so right now I'm reading:
Genome - it's a pretty interesting lay book about Genetics (I borrowed it from EvoDevo a long time ago; No, Evo, I'm not done yet.)
House of God - It's great. I still have about 50 pgs.
Sailing the Wine Dark Seas - a book about ancient Greece.
Social Transformation of American Medicine - my dad and I are reading it together and discussing it.
 
tkatchev said:
If gun control can prevent a gun from getting into the hands of even one unstable individual, then its worth considering along with the dozen other issues that surround this tragedy. I would hope that America can move beyond the asinine question of do guns kill people or do people kill people. That really isn’t the issue. The fact is that people with guns kill people and if we can do something to keep guns out of the hands of unsafe individuals then we’ve done our society an enormous justice.
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I'll have to disagree with you. People who are determined to kill people will use anything they can get their hands on. No guns? I'll use a bomb. No bombs? I'll use a knife. No Knife? I'll use a car (a la UNC?). Disarming legal gun owners will do absolutely nothing other than create disarmed victims for criminals to harass. Of course, I value my 2nd amendment right to bear arms, so I'm a little biased.
tkatchev said:
But looking beyond the question of gun control, there are so many more factors to consider. Being a psychology major I know how big a role mental health plays in people’s behavior and I know that, unfortunately, our society does a poor job at treating and providing support for those with mental illness. I also know that children are products of their environments, and that imitation is a powerful form of learning. When children see violence they emulate it, and if they see it day after day after day, it becomes a part of them. I could go on all day and I’m sure many of you could list many more issues worth discussing, as you already have.
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As a gun owner who grew up in the military lifestyle and playing violent video games and watching violent movies, again I must disagree. People might emulate those activities, but only if they have no grasp on the consequences of their actions. They get that through their family and interaction in society.

Yes, mental health is an issue. The problem is that people must voluntarily seek mental health care or be admitted by someone that recognizes the problem. You can't screen everyone. Finding the one crazy person out of 10,000 is almost impossible. Finding the 1 out of 100,000 legal gun owners who would consider going on a rampage is impossible. Disarming gun owners is not the solution. I think it all goes down to the role of the family in teaching kids what's right or wrong and seeking counseling if their loved one shows signs of mental disturbance.

Just my opinion, anyway.
 
armybound said:
I'll have to disagree with you. People who are determined to kill people will use anything they can get their hands on. No guns? I'll use a bomb. No bombs? I'll use a knife. No Knife? I'll use a car (a la UNC?). Disarming legal gun owners will do absolutely nothing other than create disarmed victims for criminals to harass. Of course, I value my 2nd amendment right to bear arms, so I'm a little biased.
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As a gun owner who grew up in the military lifestyle and playing violent video games and watching violent movies, again I must disagree. People might emulate those activities, but only if they have no grasp on the consequences of their actions. They get that through their family and interaction in society.

Yes, mental health is an issue. The problem is that people must voluntarily seek mental health care or be admitted by someone that recognizes the problem. You can't screen everyone. Finding the one crazy person out of 10,000 is almost impossible. Finding the 1 out of 100,000 legal gun owners who would consider going on a rampage is impossible. Disarming gun owners is not the solution. I think it all goes down to the role of the family in teaching kids what's right or wrong and seeking counseling if their loved one shows signs of mental disturbance.

Just my opinion, anyway.
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As a gun owner myself I also value my right to bear arms and so I am not advocating a nation wide ban on purchasing firearms. But what's wrong with increasing the wait time between when a person initiates a firearm sale and when they actually are given the weapon, or in requiring more stringent background checks, or mandatory firearms training? I'm sure you agree that firearms should only end up in responsible hands like yours and mine. If so, then I don't think these simple measures are too much to ask.

You also raised the valid point that someone hell bent on homicide will use any means at their disposal, and this is true to an extent. However, the weapon of choice in most homicides is a gun. Take the following analogy: I want to dig a large hole and I start out with a really big shovel. Then someone bans shovels so I switch to a pick axe. It's not nearly as efficient, but I'm still making progress. Then, unfortunately, the pick axe is banned and I switch to a spoon. And at the end of it all I'm left digging with my hands and maybe my Labrador for help. The point is one way or another the hole gets dug, but at a considerably slower rate. If we compare this to gun control, of course tightening gun control won't keep people from killing others but instead of a body count of 32 we may only have a body count of 2. I don't have a good analogy for bomb control yet…but I'll work on it, but I don't see why the materials to build bombs couldn't be controlled as well as firearms. I guess if someone is really clever they can make it out of soy milk a couple of magic beans and a dragons tooth. The point is when we limit people's access to weapons of mass murder, we will limit mass murder.

Furthermore, I think you are taking anecdotal evidence from your own life to either support or negate national legislation. Obviously we are all entitled to our opinions and our personal experiences shape those opinions, however, they do not in themselves serve as an argument for supporting or negating universal policy that applies to everyone. Obviously not everyone who is a gun owner and grows up in a military lifestyle playing violent video games will go on to kill other people. In fact, the vast majority don't. You're also correct in saying that family, upbringing, and a host of other social factors play a very large role. However, guns and violence in the media may play a role, even if minute, in some of the murders that take place in this country and therefore shouldn't be brushed aside.

Furthermore, on the topic of mental health, you're right, you can't screen everybody. We can't line kids up in elementary school and screen them for homicidal tendencies like we screen them for hearing loss. However, our mental health system fails to act even when someone has already been identified as troubled and a danger to themselves or others. Most likely in the next few days we'll come to learn that the man who was responsible for the Virginia Tech shooting raised many red flags about his potential for violence in the past. The problem isn't so much in finding the needle in the hay stack, but what to do with that needle when it is found.
 
armybound said:
As a gun owner who grew up in the military lifestyle and playing violent video games and watching violent movies, again I must disagree.
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Battlefield 2. SO MUCH FUN
 
tkatchev said:
As a gun owner myself I also value my right to bear arms and so I am not advocating a nation wide ban on purchasing firearms. But what's wrong with increasing the wait time between when a person initiates a firearm sale and when they actually are given the weapon, or in requiring more stringent background checks, or mandatory firearms training? I’m sure you agree that firearms should only end up in responsible hands like yours and mine. If so, then I don't think these simple measures are too much to ask.
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They may be easy to enact, but what would they accomplish? This guy didn't have anything in his background that would have kept him from buying guns. He had bought them quite a while in the past, so a longer wait wouldn't have prevented it. Firearms training would have made him a better shot, if nothing else.

Those things all sound like they might do something to deter crime, but they really wouldn't.

I'm not trying to turn this into some huge argument, I just get defensive when people blame guns instead of blaming the crazies responsible.
 
armybound said:
They may be easy to enact, but what would they accomplish? This guy didn't have anything in his background that would have kept him from buying guns. He had bought them quite a while in the past, so a longer wait wouldn't have prevented it. Firearms training would have made him a better shot, if nothing else.

Those things all sound like they might do something to deter crime, but they really wouldn't.

I'm not trying to turn this into some huge argument, I just get defensive when people blame guns instead of blaming the crazies responsible.
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This guy was declared Mentally Ill by a Virginia Court in 2005. A Virginia special justice declared that he was "an imminent danger." to himself and others as a result of mental illness. That court document went on to say that Cho was in need of hospitalization and unable to care for self, and is uncapable of volunteering or unwilling to volunteer for treatment.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/18/vtech.shooting/index.html

I don't really support strict gun control, but I have a sinking feeling that if Virginia like Texas required a 3-day waiting period where in-depth background checks are conducted that they would have found these court documents declaring that Cho was Mentally Ill and unfit to lawfully own firearms.

Instead Virginia only requires a "quick search" background check using some sort of state database and requires no waiting period.

I'm not saying that a waiting period is The solution, but if a person declared Mentally Ill by a state court is allowed to Legally Buy a Gun... something is definitely not right with the gun control laws.

P.S. I'm not trying to start an argument either. Just want to inform you that there was a problem with him owning a firearm. I too dont blame guns, but believe that Mentally Ill people shouldn't own them.
 
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