The Republic of Texas XLI: You'll Never Break A Horse if You Stay Sittin' on the Fence

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Congrats on everyone's pre-matches and I hope everyone here gets into their top choice next week!

I'm a reapplicant and didn't get any TMDSAS interviews this year but I do have out-of-state offers/upcoming interviews to fall back on. I'm grateful to have those schools but the main thing I'm worried about is the crazy expensive OOS tuition. Do ya'll think I should just take what I can get this year or should I try and reapply to Texas schools again? This is my 2nd cycle with TMDSAS so if I can't get an interview now I'm not sure if I can get one in the future.

My stats are below average for an ORM so I could always improve my MCAT and get more clinical experience but I'm 23 turning 24 this year so I'm really feeling the pressure to just bite the bullet and get my life together haha
 
coralblue2 said:
Congrats on everyone's pre-matches and I hope everyone here gets into their top choice next week!

I'm a reapplicant and didn't get any TMDSAS interviews this year but I do have out-of-state offers/upcoming interviews to fall back on. I'm grateful to have those schools but the main thing I'm worried about is the crazy expensive OOS tuition. Do ya'll think I should just take what I can get this year or should I try and reapply to Texas schools again? This is my 2nd cycle with TMDSAS so if I can't get an interview now I'm not sure if I can get one in the future.

My stats are below average for an ORM so I could always improve my MCAT and get more clinical experience but I'm 23 turning 24 this year so I'm really feeling the pressure to just bite the bullet and get my life together haha
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I would say just take the acceptances and run with them. This process sucks and I commend you for already going through it twice.
 
coralblue2 said:
Congrats on everyone's pre-matches and I hope everyone here gets into their top choice next week!

I'm a reapplicant and didn't get any TMDSAS interviews this year but I do have out-of-state offers/upcoming interviews to fall back on. I'm grateful to have those schools but the main thing I'm worried about is the crazy expensive OOS tuition. Do ya'll think I should just take what I can get this year or should I try and reapply to Texas schools again? This is my 2nd cycle with TMDSAS so if I can't get an interview now I'm not sure if I can get one in the future.

My stats are below average for an ORM so I could always improve my MCAT and get more clinical experience but I'm 23 turning 24 this year so I'm really feeling the pressure to just bite the bullet and get my life together haha
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Please don't become a 3rd time applicant if you have some OOS acceptances.
Think of the time and turmoil you have experienced these past 2 years, and then think about starting med school in a few months!
The loans you take out can be repaid when you start earning money as a resident and a full physician.
 
wysdoc said:
Please don't become a 3rd time applicant if you have some OOS acceptances.
Think of the time and turmoil you have experienced these past 2 years, and then think about starting med school in a few months!
The loans you take out can be repaid when you start earning money as a resident and a full physician.
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+1 on this because I've seen some acquaintances decline DO/OOS acceptances so that they can try another cycle for Texas MD schools and they've all struggled like crazy (mentally, physically, emotionally, etc.) :/
 
coralblue2 said:
Congrats on everyone's pre-matches and I hope everyone here gets into their top choice next week!

I'm a reapplicant and didn't get any TMDSAS interviews this year but I do have out-of-state offers/upcoming interviews to fall back on. I'm grateful to have those schools but the main thing I'm worried about is the crazy expensive OOS tuition. Do ya'll think I should just take what I can get this year or should I try and reapply to Texas schools again? This is my 2nd cycle with TMDSAS so if I can't get an interview now I'm not sure if I can get one in the future.

My stats are below average for an ORM so I could always improve my MCAT and get more clinical experience but I'm 23 turning 24 this year so I'm really feeling the pressure to just bite the bullet and get my life together haha
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There are a few factors to consider to reapply a third time.

1. What is it that you are offering the third time around? Do you have another degree, served in some extremely difficult health area that gave you national awards, or published at least one paper in a very well known journal? If you can't check at least one of these boxes, your application will fare no better than the first and second time.

2. You are still 23. There are people here who claimed to be 40+ and just got in. National average is 24 but that is for most applicants and not necessarily third time applicants. By no means are you going to be considered old before you turn 35 and apply at that age. Even then, it is the zeal and what you have done that matters, not your age.

3. Only Texans consider OOS tuition crazy expensive. Most states don't have medical school subsidized by the state the way we do. Someone in Pennsylvania pays 50k+ tuition as a resident for their state schools. In the grand scheme of things, one will spend an extra 160k (40k each year) in tuition in a private or OOS school but as doctors they should be able to pay off the loans.

4. ORMs have it tough in Texas. They are applying in very large numbers. I think they are 4-5% percent of the population but 30-40% of the applicant pool. In the age of diversity, equity etc., the medical schools are in a tough position to manage the number of ORMs they admit to 30% (I could be wrong but Texas is averaging 35%+ in ORMs in med schools) so that others are equally represented. If you did not get a single interview in Texas, I am not sure next year will be different or even in 4 years unless your application is improved dramatically (back to point 1).

Please take what you have on the table and move on. You are 23 and so you have a long life span left to pay off those loans 🙂
 
coralblue2 said:
Congrats on everyone's pre-matches and I hope everyone here gets into their top choice next week!

I'm a reapplicant and didn't get any TMDSAS interviews this year but I do have out-of-state offers/upcoming interviews to fall back on. I'm grateful to have those schools but the main thing I'm worried about is the crazy expensive OOS tuition. Do ya'll think I should just take what I can get this year or should I try and reapply to Texas schools again? This is my 2nd cycle with TMDSAS so if I can't get an interview now I'm not sure if I can get one in the future.

My stats are below average for an ORM so I could always improve my MCAT and get more clinical experience but I'm 23 turning 24 this year so I'm really feeling the pressure to just bite the bullet and get my life together haha
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@coralblue2 are you a Texan or OOS resident? The acceptance rate for OOS applicants to TMDSAS schools is only about 8%, and those are the high-stats guys.
 
hadv3r said:
@texasvandy I can't speak for all schools, but pretty sure TMDSAS schools (and most schools in the country) average 60-70% ORMs. Baylor, for example, was about 80% in 2021-2022. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Statistics
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UTSW's commitment to DEI sounded serious at MS0. They admitted over 30% URM this cycle which is up 15% from like 10 years ago when URMs were about 15% of the class. UTRGV is also majority URM.
 
MercifulCamper said:
UTSW's commitment to DEI sounded serious at MS0. They admitted over 30% URM this cycle which is up 15% from like 10 years ago when URMs were about 15% of the class. UTRGV is also majority URM.
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Yeah like I said, most are majority ORMs. Obviously there are schools like UTRGV and HBCUs, but for the most part ORMs make up a larger percentage than 35% (which is what was written earlier). Even with UTSW from the sounds of it, the class will be 70% ORMs.
 
texasvandy said:
@hadv3r where do you see 60-70% ORMs in Baylor med and how are you defining ORMs?
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ORM is a made up term by premeds, so there isn't really a definition. But I interpret as anyone who is simply not URM. But to specify, when people say ORMs they typically refer to Caucasians (no Hispanic ethnicity) and Asians. Obviously it's more nuanced than that, but the AAMC's definition of URM is clear and you can see that the numbers are fairly low.

Just looking at BCM statistics (that they published and I linked), you can just add up the numbers. You could do this for every school
 
hadv3r said:
ORM is a made up term by premeds, so there isn't really a definition. But I interpret as anyone who is simply not URM. But to specify, when people say ORMs they typically refer to Caucasians (no Hispanic ethnicity) and Asians. Obviously it's more nuanced than that, but the AAMC's definition of URM is clear and you can see that the numbers are fairly low.

Just looking at BCM statistics (that they published and I linked), you can just add up the numbers. You could do this for every school
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The definition of minority is very clear and the classifications are very clear. They are considered smaller populations in a majortiy Caucasian country.

Asians are considered a minority on a national basis.

In most educational fields, they are considered over represented at college and difficult to get into professional fields and hence the term ORM.

ORMs are pretty much represented as a broad category at most colleges as Asians. What I see is 40+% in BCM.

URMs are primarily african american and hispanic populations who tend to be 35% but historically not entered colleges or fields like medicine representative of their population.
 
Sorry to change the subject but I just went onto the AAMC choose your school website and saw that one of my prematches was listed as withdrawn after acceptance. Is this match related, like I was removed from their list because I matched somewhere else? I haven't gotten any communication from them about withdrawing, so what does this mean?
 
boomertexas said:
Sorry to change the subject but I just went onto the AAMC choose your school website and saw that one of my prematches was listed as withdrawn after acceptance. Is this match related, like I was removed from their list because I matched somewhere else? I haven't gotten any communication from them about withdrawing, so what does this mean?
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I believe the Match algorithm has not come to pass with its results yet.
Did you withdraw from this school yourself?
If not, please message TMDSAS in your portal today and explain the situation completely.
 
wysdoc said:
I believe the Match algorithm has not come to pass with its results yet.
Did you withdraw from this school yourself?
If not, please message TMDSAS in your portal today and explain the situation completely.
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My highest ranked prematch says "Accepted" but my lower ranked prematches say "withdrawn after acceptance" also... I never withdrew from any of my prematches
 
wysdoc said:
I believe the Match algorithm has not come to pass with its results yet.
Did you withdraw from this school yourself?
If not, please message TMDSAS in your portal today and explain the situation completely.
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I did not, at least as far as I know. The website says that all of the information listed on their page came from the schools directly. I ranked them lower than my other prematch, so I wonder if that withdrew me automatically on their end
 
Oh! I also see that... it also says everything was updated yesterday at 2:04pm... maybe that's when the algorithm finished (at least for those of us with prematches -- it might be easier for us since its simply putting us into the class of our highest prematch?
 
xakrinf said:
Oh! I also see that... it also says everything was updated yesterday at 2:04pm... maybe that's when the algorithm finished (at least for those of us with prematches -- it might be easier for us since its simply putting us into the class of our highest prematch?
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So yours says you are at Dell and all others withdrawn?
 
My three prematches are also listed in the AMCAS tool, with the one I ranked highest listed as accepted. I ranked three schools higher than the highest prematch, so there's still the chance it changes after the match, but it's cool that the algorithm is already at work now that we've submitted our rank lists.
 
Yesterday my prematches all stated Accepted. Today now UTSW is the only school that is accepted so I think the match system is at work but maybe not completely done. I think the only way we can be sure that CYMS has the official match results is if someone who didn't prematch at a school they interviewed at now is accepted there.
 
it’s probably doing the preliminary “fill class with top ranked prematches” then based off of that, the algorithm is gonna go in and fill the un-prematched spots which may pull people from their top prematch to their top choice but i don’t know anything
 
MercifulCamper said:
Yesterday my prematches all stated Accepted. Today now UTSW is the only school that is accepted so I think the match system is at work but maybe not completely done. I think the only way we can be sure that CYMS has the official match results is if someone who didn't prematch at a school they interviewed at now is accepted there.
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It might be that they only completed step 1 - all those with more than one prematch relieved of their multiple admissions. Now they have to find people to give @xakrinf's five other prematches to and @MercifulCamper's 7 or 8 prematches to and so on.

I am sure at least a couple people are getting admitted to Baylor because of these two (counting @beansncheese at least 3!).
 
I'd be more surprised to see if someone's CYMS said "withdrew" from all their prematched schools. That could mean they matched at a higher ranked non-prematched school already.
 
ese2 said:
I'd be more surprised to see if someone's CYMS said "withdrew" from all their prematched schools. That could mean they matched at a higher ranked non-prematched school already.
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I am wondering this as well!
 
ese2 said:
I'd be more surprised to see if someone's CYMS said "withdrew" from all their prematched schools. That could mean they matched at a higher ranked non-prematched school already.
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This is the step I am looking for! Thats why I was asking @pugsygirl17 and @boomertexas if they have higher schools on their list.

It would be next logical step that they withdrew from their top prematch.

@wysdoc - do people actually have to withdraw from the top prematch after prematch or do they get automatically withdrawn as part of the match if they match higher?
 
texasvandy said:
This is the step I am looking for! Thats why I was asking @pugsygirl17 and @boomertexas if they have higher schools on their list.

It would be next logical step that they withdrew from their top prematch.

@wysdoc - do they actually have to withdraw from the top prematch after prematch or do they get automatically withdrawn as part of the match if they match higher?
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I do have a school ranked higher than my highest prematch
 
If one of you Texans who has noticed this on your CYMS tool would like to message the TMDSAS admin on your portal and ask, let us know you did.
There's no need for all of you to bombard them with the same question (although I would understand if you did, just to make yourself feel more informed).

Let's stop the speculation and "what'ifs" about non-prematched schools, AMCAS schools, etc. etc. until we hear back from TMDSAS.

Here's my opinion:
CYMS tool is working more efficiently than last year.
And
It spoils the event of Match Day to some degree to have some results, but not all, leaked early like this.
And
Let's hear what the TMDSAS director replies.
 
BlitizinPhysician said:
Yesterday I didn’t have access to CYMS…and today I still don’t have access to CYMS! (No prematches lol)
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Ah, yes you can only see it if you have one or more acceptances
 
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wysdoc said:
Ah, yes you can only see it if you have one or more acceptances or WL positions
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Yes. i think you could confirm the algorithm is completed if someone who didn’t prematch anywhere has access to the tool now
 
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