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[LyraGardenia]

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Finally caught up! Some assorted thoughts:

Gotta say, I'm impressed with this result. Good job, guys!

Hmmmm. Sketch.

I cringed at Sporty's post at first, but I've been accused of being sketchy multiple times because I said things like that as a genuinely excited villager, so willing to give it a pass for now.

It is consistent with Pippy's villager name.

In Finny's How to Get Away With Murder game when I was a wolf, we were given cover roles, so I don't know that I'd put much stock into role claims.

Something was bugging me about this, so just went back and looked.

Why did the wolf with lynch cancel die with that cancel unused?

Good point. I'll have to look back at exactly how that lynch went down, but it makes me wonder if the rest of the wolfpack is also nooby and/or wasn't around.

Just going off the premises that the wolves have their PM's so I hardly think a wolf would bring so much heat to another wolf to get them lynched.

It's a common strategy actually to throw a fellow wolf under the bus in order to get village cred. Different players vary as to how aggressively they'll do so (e.g. helping instigate a lynch vote against someone vs. just bandwagoning on), but it happens pretty often.

@LyraGardenia
I saw that you're no longer in PM limbo. Have you talked to allie at all? Would like to know if you've gotten any wolf vibes.

I actually hadn't caught that since I was skimming earlier, woops. 😳 I'll get on that now and hopefully she'll be around before lynch close, but for now I'm going to go with my gut and...

Lynch allie because that defense of greeney is still bugging me. Also on my sketch list (roughly in order from most to least sketchy): Gryff, staff, Mel, Crayola, FTB. Both staff and Gryff have made very cryptic, unhelpful posts, staff is doing better about explaining herself today, but the "reasoning" for the attack on dy doesn't make sense. Pretty sure everyone else is either leaning village or hasn't posted enough for me to get a good read.

 

[Melchizedek]

Guess I need to accept that has become one of my nicknames

You called yourself that a couple of pages ago, I assumed you'd accepted your fate then, but yessss 🤣

 

[Karabiner13]

You called yourself that a couple of pages ago, I assumed you'd accepted your fate then, but yessss 🤣

But that was acceptable cause I was using it. Doesn't mean I was wanting it to be a well used nickname 😛

 

[Skimble]

Why do you want co-op on LIS's lynch list? And does no one else (besides... Lyra maybe??? can't remember who) wonder why pippy contingency lynched dvmd?

I'm personally not putting too much thought into that as 1) there is no way pippy seered dvmd and got results on that prior to morning 2) Pip was clearly... hydrated last night, so I'm not ready to lynch someone based on the thoughts of someone else while they were impaired.

Also, who is saltqueen?

 

[Melchizedek]

In Finny's How to Get Away With Murder game when I was a wolf, we were given cover roles, so I don't know that I'd put much stock into role claims.

Interesting. Given this, I can totally see Allie claiming in PM using a cover role to escape the flak from defending Greeney.

Unlynch Snowy
Lynch Allieh

 

[DVMDream]

Interesting. Given this, I can totally see Allie claiming in PM using a cover role to escape the flak from defending Greeney.

Unlynch Snowy
Lynch Allieh

What was the lynch count prior to this post??? Anyone have that?

 

[DVMDream]

Also,

Unlynch coop, lynch Mel his posts are getting more and more suspicious to me.

 

[Melchizedek]

Because Mel Can’t Let a Running Joke Die Unofficial Day 2 Lynch Tally
Snowy (1) - AM
allie (5) - kc, Paws, jboo, Lyra, Mel
cowgirl (1) - Teep
Mel (4) - cowgirl, LIS, Jil, DVMD
Cray (2) - Kara, Snowy
Coop (0) -
staff (3) - genny, Coop, dy
SoFlo (1) - Fern
dy (2) - staff, VMH


19/26

lynch close in ~3 hours

 

[jaboo]

I'm personally not putting too much thought into that as 1) there is no way pippy seered dvmd and got results on that prior to morning 2) Pip was clearly... hydrated last night, so I'm not ready to lynch someone based on the thoughts of someone else while they were impaired.

Also, who is saltqueen?

Kara apparently

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Day 2 Lynch Tally
Snowy (1) - AM
allie (5) - kc, Paws, jboo, Lyra, Mel
cowgirl (1) - Teep
Mel (4) - cowgirl, LIS, Jil, DVMD
Cray (2) - Kara, Snowy
Coop () -
staff (4) - genny, Coop, dy, vmh
SoFlo (1) - Fern
dy (1) - staff

19/26
lynch close in 3 hours

 

[katashark]

@Karabiner13

Wolfy - genny (hasn't said much of anything important, I know she's busy), allieh (based on role name/play, can't PM her anymore because she changed places in the roster), FTB (haven't played with him/her, but saying I am village isn't enough), 3m hasn't said anything all that helpful/hasn't been looking for wolves, staff (bizarre postings), cowgirl (various reasons, math, recent posts about mel)

I PM'd you my other thoughts just to avoid a gigantic wall of text.

Lynch allieh

The more I think about the role, the more I'm convinced it was a last ditch attempt by a wolf, plus she said she was livid about people jumping on her before about defending a wolf. Seems like strong word choice when allie usually seems chill to me.

I could most definitely switch to staff.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also,

Unlynch coop, lynch Mel his posts are getting more and more suspicious to me.

Noting.

 

[katashark]

Staff also knows that they are up there in the vote count, but hasn't really defended at all. I'd like to see what both allie and staff have to say in their defense.

 

[KCgophervet]

lynch staff

Could also go for Coop. Greene went down with a ridiculously few number of votes on her, which makes me wonder what the heck the wolves were doing yesterday at lynch close. Sorry I couldn't be a fly on the wall for that one.

Sorry I've been busy. Jeep broke down. Also trying to finish Christmas crafting. Will probably be around for lynch close today.

Perhaps one of their cars broke down? Not saying its suspicious, but... yeah actually a little bit. I like the logic path here that wolves may have been absent or noob at lynch close - at least greeny should have canceled lynch. Obviously not all wolves were necessarily absent but I think they could have saved one of their own with very little trouble at that point yesterday.

Something was bugging me about this, so just went back and looked.

Why did the wolf with lynch cancel die with that cancel unused?

Agreed. Guessing greeney wasn't around but I'd definitely assume that ability was a day one, to be used in just such an instance.

There's many ways to break the tie, mechanisms depend on the mods/the game. Player with a tiebreaking ability, mayor, RNG, all die, etc.

Good point. However after talking with Staff last night I am feeling a little more comfortable that lynch avoidance was not the cause. When I asked if she had anything to fess up she seemed so genuinely clueless that I'd be impressed with her if she actually had one and was pulling the wool over my eyes.

If the defense of "a wolf would never do something that stupid" was valid I would never ever be lynched as a wolf.

Don't remember why I quoted this...

Catching up on all the on goings -- highly surprised I survived D1 of my first game -- I thought I had been lynched. Didn't know mods could break ties. Regarding me switching my vote -- I was taking heat from both dy and AM. Makes sense that the wolf pack will pick on outliers, weaker members, and noobs. Either I'm a wolf, or one of them are. My reasoning for switching to dy was because I felt that she was busy lighting fires under everyone else's butt to move the spotlight away from herself. AM came to her to aid maybe as a villager also wanting to see if I was a wolf or as a wolf wanting to help another wolf under the guise of "fellow concerned villager". If I was going to be lynched, might as well take a wolf with me (given that ties would have resulted in all parties being expelled).

Dy: Please try to not be so offensive (calling me a "dick" and "dickish" etc) -- I don't know you from a hole in the ground (yet). Apologies AM for not responding, I sort of lumped you in with dy by association since you also started firing.

Oh and Coop who also voted for me was "doing the right thing" and thought I was retaliatory voting so switched to me because he thought that wasn't cool -- glad he wants to play a fair game. I would have probably voted for him if I wanted to retaliatory vote, but I don't get the same wolfy feeling I get from dy, so I'm not voting for him, however, wether he was conveniently using the dy, am, lynch staff bandwagon to stay hidden is still tbd.

Vote for the day: lynch dy

Dude... what? The spotlight was not on dy. Yes it's a decent wolf move to question other players and lead lynches, but its also a village move and also kind of how this game is played. I totally get feeling like people who are coming on strong at you must be wolfy (because I feel that way a lot too), but gotta realize that it may be more your own actions rather than them being a wolf trying to get you mislynched. The worst thing you can do in that situation though is to retalitory lynch them with no explanation for why you think they're actually the wolfy one.

@staff_wielder I never called you a dick or dickish. You may not like being asked questions, but explain to me how I'm supposed to figure out your thought process since you offer nothing up?

And then you attribute things to me I've never done. It feels like you're voting me because I questioned you. That's noob wolf in a nutshell IMO

lynch staffy

Sucks amirite? But yeah, totally agree with this post.

Just going off the premises that the wolves have their PM's so I hardly think a wolf would bring so much heat to another wolf to get them lynched. And at the end of the day you are either a wolf or villager. It's 50/50.

If your questioning involves calling me a dick then yes, I will be offended. Otherwise, question away.

So... anyone who's questioning you can't be a wolf because you are a wolf? That is how I am reading this...

 

[Skimble]

@Karabiner13

Wolfy - genny (hasn't said much of anything important, I know she's busy), allieh (based on role name/play, can't PM her anymore because she changed places in the roster), FTB (haven't played with him/her, but saying I am village isn't enough), 3m hasn't said anything all that helpful/hasn't been looking for wolves, staff (bizarre postings), cowgirl (various reasons, math, recent posts about mel)

I PM'd you my other thoughts just to avoid a gigantic wall of text.

Lynch allieh

The more I think about the role, the more I'm convinced it was a last ditch attempt by a wolf, plus she said she was livid about people jumping on her before about defending a wolf. Seems like strong word choice when allie usually seems chill to me.

I could most definitely switch to staff.

Is allieh's role claim on thread? Is she the one that is mostly Ohio? Because I was confused by that wording, I think it said something about boarding mostly Ohio, so to me that means it's still in MI, but boarders OH, but if it's a place that crosses the border and is mostly in OH, then yes, I'm all about that lynch vote.

 

[DVMDream]

Noting.

Do you want me to remind you of it later?

 

[katashark]

Is allieh's role claim on thread? Is she the one that is mostly Ohio? Because I was confused by that wording, I think it said something about boarding mostly Ohio, so to me that means it's still in MI, but boarders OH, but if it's a place that crosses the border and is mostly in OH, then yes, I'm all about that lynch vote.

She claimed in a PM with me last night. I can't PM with her again because she changed places in the roster. Her role matches Pippy's, which at first made me think villager, but then I realized that location-wise, it is very Ohio-based. Her ability claim is also an easy claim, but could be true. But also, it's bad to go strictly on role name, but I just have a bad feeling in my stomach about allie. Just seems like abnormal play from her PM to me.

 

[dyachei]

Perhaps one of their cars broke down? Not saying its suspicious, but... yeah actually a little bit. I like the logic path here that wolves may have been absent or noob at lynch close - at least greeny should have canceled lynch. Obviously not all wolves were necessarily absent but I think they could have saved one of their own with very little trouble at that point yesterday.


Agreed. Guessing greeney wasn't around but I'd definitely assume that ability was a day one, to be used in just such an instance.


Don't remember why I quoted this...


Dude... what? The spotlight was not on dy. Yes it's a decent wolf move to question other players and lead lynches, but its also a village move and also kind of how this game is played. I totally get feeling like people who are coming on strong at you must be wolfy (because I feel that way a lot too), but gotta realize that it may be more your own actions rather than them being a wolf trying to get you mislynched. The worst thing you can do in that situation though is to retalitory lynch them with no explanation for why you think they're actually the wolfy one.

Sucks amirite? But yeah, totally agree with this post.

So... anyone who's questioning you can't be a wolf because you are a wolf? That is how I am reading this...

we've been over this. It was an inference on my part based on what you had been saying.

It WAS related.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Do you want me to remind you of it later?

If you want, but it's not necessary.

 

[LyraGardenia]

Is allieh's role claim on thread? Is she the one that is mostly Ohio? Because I was confused by that wording, I think it said something about boarding mostly Ohio, so to me that means it's still in MI, but boarders OH, but if it's a place that crosses the border and is mostly in OH, then yes, I'm all about that lynch vote.

Not outright, but I think kata was trying to hint that Allie claimed Lake Erie since she said it makes sense with Pippy's role (Lake Michigan) but borders Ohio.

 

[katashark]

Not outright, but I think kata was trying to hint that Allie claimed Lake Erie since she said it makes sense with Pippy's role (Lake Michigan) but borders Ohio.

That is the role she claimed.

 

[DVMDream]

If you want, but it's not necessary.

Just funny to note that. But not Mel's sudden vote change when he's been adamant about snowy.

 

[KCgophervet]

we've been over this. It was an inference on my part based on what you had been saying.

It WAS related.

I was more referring to cray cray.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Just funny to note that. But not Mel's sudden vote change when he's been adamant about snowy.

I'm noting all sorts of things.

 

[dyachei]

I was more referring to cray cray.

Ah, sorry.

 

[Melchizedek]

Just funny to note that. But not Mel's sudden vote change when he's been adamant about snowy.

because my vote change to Allie was not sudden. I'd been getting feels from her since her first post and even said so.

Merr weird feels at this, not quite in the right mind to articulate, noting for future.

Allieh - On thread, I flagged her post re: Greeney but wasn’t able to effectively analyze why in the moment. Looked back and its pretty much sketchy for the same reasons everyone was saying. pre-flip thinking: it could have been Allieh protecting greeney because she knew greeney had a PR. Post-flip: there goes the previous theory, now its just sketchy. I’m okay voting here if the lynch is between me and her.

 

[LyraGardenia]

I'm noting all sorts of things.

I also thought it was a little weird to post "noting" rather than asking DVMD to explain further or something. If you literally just want to remember that for later, make a note in a spreadsheet or something.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I also thought it was a little weird to post "noting" rather than asking DVMD to explain further or something. If you literally just want to remember that for later, make a note in a spreadsheet or something.

What's wrong with some things being public?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

<insert eye roll>

Lemme translate: "I'm gonna throw some shade on someone just so I look like I'm throwing shade, but I'm so lazy I can't even go find any actual reasons for the shade I'm throwing."

If that isn't sketchy as hell, I dunno what is.

I mean I am lazy, but not throwing shade. Just my thoughts at that time. Also in reply to further comments, I don't lynch people because they are too active. That is dumb, unless I know they like wolfing and they said they would be busy and not active much and they are super active (eg pips is like that and I sorta suspect cray is like that this game). You don't love being a wolf, so I don't expect more/less activity out of you to be a tell.

Snowy - I want snowy lynched. I don’t like that she started the game just as hedgey as the last game and it took me getting ticked and yelling at her to get her to make some committed posts.

Wow. You think so highly of yourself don't you? The posts you thought I was hedging on I clarified. That doesn't mean I changed my view to something more committed because you made me, it means you didn't understand my thought process.

It was the whole waffling her vote off greeney to tie with umm... staff? I think it was. I can't remember who the tie was with now. It was just suspicious the waffling off the wolf.

I don't know, I found that moved coop more village to me. Because her vote moved greeney to be tied for lead and it was late in the lynch. But then again, the switch off to staff could be wolfy trying to fix a mistake. I guess I'm assuming she told the truth that she just threw out a random vote when she voted greeny because she just got on and hadn't read the thread, which also wouldn't think she would throw a random lynch to a wolf to make her lead lynch if coop was also a wolf.

 

[DVMDream]

What's wrong with some things being public?

Nothing, but why not ask for an explanation??? It is odd.... don't threaten me with "noting", it doesn't phase me because I've got nothing to hide.

Also, I get this odd feeling that those voting for allie will be disappointed. I understand the reasons but I'm just not reading wolf there. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Not outright, but I think kata was trying to hint that Allie claimed Lake Erie since she said it makes sense with Pippy's role (Lake Michigan) but borders Ohio.

Hmm I wasn't finding allie that suspicious from her posts so far. I don't think she is ballsy enough to defend a noob wolf like she did. It kinda reminds me of something she did last game that got her a lot of flak (I forget exactly what it was, but it was dumb enough to get everyone wanting to lynch her like this). It is kinda convinient though that her role matches with pippys role so closely... still not convinced enough to vote for her.

 

[DVMDream]

I mean I am lazy, but not throwing shade. Just my thoughts at that time. Also in reply to further comments, I don't lynch people because they are too active. That is dumb, unless I know they like wolfing and they said they would be busy and not active much and they are super active (eg pips is like that and I sorta suspect cray is like that this game). You don't love being a wolf, so I don't expect more/less activity out of you to be a tell.



Wow. You think so highly of yourself don't you? The posts you thought I was hedging on I clarified. That doesn't mean I changed my view to something more committed because you made me, it means you didn't understand my thought process.



I don't know, I found that moved coop more village to me. Because her vote moved greeney to be tied for lead and it was late in the lynch. But then again, the switch off to staff could be wolfy trying to fix a mistake. I guess I'm assuming she told the truth that she just threw out a random vote when she voted greeny because she just got on and hadn't read the thread, which also wouldn't think she would throw a random lynch to a wolf to make her lead lynch if coop was also a wolf.

No her vote removed greeney from the lead to being tied.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Nothing, but why not ask for an explanation??? It is odd.... don't threaten me with "noting", it doesn't phase me because I've got nothing to hide.

Also, I get this odd feeling that those voting for allie will be disappointed. I understand the reasons but I'm just not reading wolf there. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

It's not a threat.

 

[LetItSnow]

Don't be crass.

Yawn.

Dy was busy performing the Spanish Inquisition on a number of people and I didn't see much in the way of a return. She's wolfy because while everyone else is busy defending themselves to the other villagers, she stays safe. Maybe by bringing her under the gun, she might have slipped up. I'm not the only one that noticed this behavior on her part.

Ok. I don’t find your reason compelling, but was that so hard? Next time maybe just roll the reason out rather than a dickish “I can vote how I want. “

At least, if you want to help the village.

 

[DVMDream]

It's not a threat.

Sure came across that way. People don't "note" things unless they find them suspicious. Not asking for an explanation when the post happened and noting it for later... whatever.... is odd. Just ask about it in the moment. I'm more likely to remember why I did what I did.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

No her vote removed greeney from the lead to being tied.

Well she posted this like 3 min before lynch to put greeny in the lead

Ok I haven't really caught up but clearly vmh isn't on the docket. I'll promise to catch up better latter but unlynch VMH and lynch Greeny

Then kc changed her vote to greeney then coop posted this like a min later

Omg did staff retaliation vote against DY? wow Unlynch Greeny lynch Staff

And that put greeny at a tie

 

[LetItSnow]

Snowy - I want snowy lynched. I don’t like that she started the game just as hedgey as the last game and it took me getting ticked and yelling at her to get her to make some committed posts.

AM - Reads like village AM, asking questions, tightlipped about her own theories.

KC - Some of her conclusions and the facts that she has used to draw them don’t match up. It feels like wolf who is making good theories and threw one into the mix to see if it gets accepted as well. Would vote here if I believed in pressure votes.

Dy - From following the social threads, I know that Dy plays on other sites as well and the site metas on other places tend to be more aggressive than SDN. While her wolf-hunting is rubbing me the wrong way I think that would be a weak reason for me to vote here. Personal feelings aside, generating comments and her logic has an organic flow to it.

Allieh - On thread, I flagged her post re: Greeney but wasn’t able to effectively analyze why in the moment. Looked back and its pretty much sketchy for the same reasons everyone was saying. pre-flip thinking: it could have been Allieh protecting greeney because she knew greeney had a PR. Post-flip: there goes the previous theory, now its just sketchy. I’m okay voting here if the lynch is between me and her.

3M - I would like more content from. People are developing as sketchy (myself, coops, cowgirl, staff etc.) yet 3M has neglected to add their thoughts one way or another about any of the number of people. I would expect some participation or at least saying something along the lines of who they want to narrow focus onto to avoid another diffuse lynch board like last night, but got nada.



*sigh* I get called out for assuming people are attentive enough to pick up on things, and last game I get called out for assuming people aren’t attentive enough to pick up on things. Its a very damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. I have nothing to rebut this with.



Coop beat me to this, but yeah. I had previously thought that Pippy and Cowgirl had SOME sort of back and forth that made Pippy trust Cowgirl over me, but now I know it was a gut call. I don’t know if this alone particularly makes Cowgirl wolfy or not, but does lend credence to what Cray was saying about me being scapegoated.

I gotta admit this reads village. And Cheezy's annoyance at getting called out either way ... well, yeah. That does tend to happen.

Ok. I can back off. I'll switch my vote to someone when I hit the end of getting caught up.

unlynch Cheezy

 

[Animal Midwife]

Sure came across that way. People don't "note" things unless they find them suspicious. Not asking for an explanation when the post happened and noting it for later... whatever.... is odd. Just ask about it in the moment. I'm more likely to remember why I did what I did.

I use noting in the most basic sense. To easily find posts later should I need to review.

 

[DVMDream]

Well she posted this like 3 min before lynch to put greeny in the lead



Then kc changed her vote to greeney then coop posted this like a min later



And that put greeny at a tie

Interesting.... I'll give this some more thought.

 

[LyraGardenia]

What's wrong with some things being public?

It's not helpful if you don't explain why you think it's notable, so at that point it's just noise.

 

[Animal Midwife]

It's not helpful if you don't explain why you think it's notable, so at that point it's just noise.

I don't think one word is noise.

 

[LetItSnow]

First game -- just reading his posts/responses. I didn't catch a lot of the things that he pointed out and had to go back an re-read.

So it's the first game you've played with him, but somehow you know he's "too good."

How would you know that?

Just going off the premises that the wolves have their PM's so I hardly think a wolf would bring so much heat to another wolf to get them lynched. And at the end of the day you are either a wolf or villager. It's 50/50.

If your questioning involves calling me a dick then yes, I will be offended. Otherwise, question away.

Yes, but you specifically said "and so he's not a villager." Not that it's 50/50. You specifically said "not a villager."

How would you know that, also?

 

[dyachei]

that was allie that moved away from greeney?

 

[SoFloGryffindor]

I'd love to hear your thoughts today on who you find suspicious. You popped in earlier but I only saw the one post

Hello all. Sorry for a later response. I was working.

Now to answer your question, I'm very suspicious of Mel. Seems to me like they are stirring and instigating, and it also seems like he pushed allie into being in the running to be lynched. So I say...

Lynch mel

 

[dyachei]

calling someone greeney makes me think they are a dog treat

 

[LetItSnow]

I agree with this last, any reason coop isn't on here?

Mmmm..... no reason Coop isn't on it, no reason I have to put Coop on it?

I kinda like that Coop is out there leaning on people. Well. Staff, at least.

What am I missing that I should have Coop on there?

 

[DVMDream]

that was allie that moved away from greeney?

It was coop

 

[DVMDream]

Mmmm..... no reason Coop isn't on it, no reason I have to put Coop on it?

I kinda like that Coop is out there leaning on people. Well. Staff, at least.

What am I missing that I should have Coop on there?

Coop waffled off greeny which dropped her out of the lead for lynching and into a tie.

 

[LetItSnow]

I wonder it.

My suspicion and reason for coop is already on thread.

Ok, that answers what I just asked. I didn't see your post or, at least, don't recall your reason.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hello all. Sorry for a later response. I was working.

Now to answer your question, I'm very suspicious of Mel. Seems to me like they are stirring and instigating, and it also seems like he pushed allie into being in the running to be lynched. So I say...

Lynch mel

Who else are you suspicious of?