Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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I think he's doing his best

Of that I have no doubt!

 

[samac]

Did JJJ play champs?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How are you doing @Santygrass? Just noticed you've tailed off a bit.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did JJJ play champs?

Two-time finalist.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm bothered that he's still voting for me rather than either of the people in his POE.

Point is well-taken. We'll see what happens with that when Nate is current.

 

[Santygrass]

How are you doing @Santygrass? Just noticed you've tailed off a bit.

Im procastinating a little bit and holding back yeah, but I am reading

 

[samac]

Two-time finalist.

You scare me

 

[Santygrass]

Think I'd prefer maybe Clem as a yeet before genny from the alternate vote options u gave.
But also Clem was the only one sussing u Jay so idk how much of a good move would that be weh.

But fist Nate has to win me over.

 

[kaydubs]

Only 4 pages behind:…this is fine 😬

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You scare me

I'll take that as a compliment!

Then I will bury it somewhere deep in my consciousness, alongside the other semi-complimentary remarks that I have shoved aside for the safety of all those sharing game threads with me. I may be a polite bear, but there is a monster within, a terrible egotistical creature of the nastiest kind, always thrashing about trying to breathe the open air. It must not escape. It likes itself too much and is very rude.

So I suck! I suck I suck I suck!

 

[Truenamer]

Two-time finalist.

This is like when I go jogging with @bluestoat - gasping for air and vision turning into a tunnel while she tells me about her day

 

[samac]

I'll take that as a compliment!

Then I will bury it somewhere deep in my consciousness, alongside the other semi-complimentary remarks that I have shoved aside for the safety of all those sharing game threads with me. I may be a polite bear, but there is a monster within, a terrible egotistical creature of the nastiest kind, always thrashing about trying to breathe the open air. It must not escape. It likes itself too much and is very rude.

So I suck! I suck I suck I suck!

I feel like you’re a village powerhouse force right now that I want to love but then I get scared that you’re the best powerwolf I’ve met.


One interesting thing here, we’re either right about Nate and True or i betchya there’s a wolf on that Nate wagon.
I like wagonomics.

 

[Truenamer]

I'll take that as a compliment!

Then I will bury it somewhere deep in my consciousness, alongside the other semi-complimentary remarks that I have shoved aside for the safety of all those sharing game threads with me. I may be a polite bear, but there is a monster within, a terrible egotistical creature of the nastiest kind, always thrashing about trying to breathe the open air. It must not escape. It likes itself too much and is very rude.

So I suck! I suck I suck I suck!

No no, you're great. You must now carry us to victory like we are the Haradrim and you are an Oliphaunt.

 

[Truenamer]

Hey @potentialsheltervet, going to ask if you have a chance, can you ISO me?

Only if you have time.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Thanks for the input, appreciated. I don't think the even-keeled response is necessarily a villa tell as it could easily be a personality thing and it was a little strange that he chose not to directly speak to me about it. what struck me though is this sequence:







the question is: what is he doing here asking jay about the read? He has no feelings on it, apparently. But it was notable enough to ask jay about it? What's the purpose here? Is he trying to get a better read on me? on jay? It doesn't feel like a line of questioning that will actually lead anywhere useful which makes me wonder if he's asking about it just for the sake of having something to talk about. Given the overall brevity of his ISO it struck me as an unusual thing to focus on, something that didn't really give him a read one way of the other.

I was asking a townread about their take on something, I don't think it's that unusual to do. And as I said I thought your vote could have been an easy way to get another name on the board, so I wanted to see if Jay saw anything off there or whether I was just more focused on it because it was a vote on me.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I'll take that as a compliment!

Then I will bury it somewhere deep in my consciousness, alongside the other semi-complimentary remarks that I have shoved aside for the safety of all those sharing game threads with me. I may be a polite bear, but there is a monster within, a terrible egotistical creature of the nastiest kind, always thrashing about trying to breathe the open air. It must not escape. It likes itself too much and is very rude.

So I suck! I suck I suck I suck!

I've been kind of fine with Clem's tinfoil on you because maybe it'll mean you live a little longer if you're in fact town 😉

 

[Empire]

i haven't seen anything outside her wolf range yet. true just modded, so i don't feel like voting there today, but otherwise would be in contention for me. and i'm not sure i want to vote a player new to us just yet because they've been fun to have around and i want them to continue playing with us. sucks to be the d1 vote on a new site, yeah?

this is probably not a very good way to win the game so i'm not recommending this approach for the rest of the class.

the commitment to not voting new players is admirable but when we're a little below 50% of the game i think you might have to bend a little there

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've been kind of fine with Clem's tinfoil on you because maybe it'll mean you live a little longer if you're in fact town 😉

Good opportunity for a question, Nate:

In our only game together, I was mafia-aligned and kind of got the best of you in our individual matchup (no boast intended, you're an excellent player). So I am a little surprised that you're confidently town reading me again. How do you think I differ from that previous game, and/or what else gives you that level of confidence in me?

 

[NateTheLesser]

If you have the time, it’d be cool to see a similar review to the one you did of Nate for a less consensus player. One that I’d find particularly helpful is Animal Midwife. Whatever time permits.

Did this happen? (The AM ISO)

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did this happen? (The AM ISO)

I don't recall seeing it. @Truenamer?

I know True's provided takes on AM without them being entirely ISO-shaped.

 

[samac]

Also it’s beer o’clock

 

[Empire]

No wolf would use the pregnant emoji to describe the thread state.

I vibe with his pushes thus far, and he's seemed pretty comfortable, seemed interested in real-timing with me rather than piling on. Vague stuff. I don't think I have any specific posts in my notes that look good. And I think if either True or Empire are wolves then it would look like they were trying to interrupt JJJ/Santy finding each other early, but I don't want to pre-flip. There's plenty of tinfoil on that read because my track record of reading Santy has not been good thus far.

Those posts I townread True for were absolutely not based on me agreeing with his paranoia

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

2.5 hours to go, so we're entering crunch time.

 

[Truenamer]

I don't recall seeing it. @Truenamer?

I know True's provided takes on AM without them being entirely ISO-shaped.

Did this happen? (The AM ISO)

Hasn't yet, sorry about that. She's not one of the folks I'm questioning so it slipped my mind. I won't be able to do a full one like Nate's but I'll do a highlights.

 

[Truenamer]

2.5 hours to go, so we're entering crunch time.

9pm CDT, so 4.5 hours.

Still, yes.

 

[Empire]

okay, finally caught up for real

I was asking a townread about their take on something, I don't think it's that unusual to do. And as I said I thought your vote could have been an easy way to get another name on the board, so I wanted to see if Jay saw anything off there or whether I was just more focused on it because it was a vote on me.

okay, but - you said it didn't strike you one way or the other, which feels a little bit different from what you're saying here

and it feels a bit to me like it could be floating a trial balloon to see if JJJ willwill be willing to push me and that opens things up for you to do so as well


but regardless of all that - I have seen your reads list. Is there a reason I'm a scumread for you now? I couldn't find a fully articulated argument in your reads.

 

[Empire]

fwiw I thought AM's questioning on page 15 was fairly towny

 

[Santygrass]

In a while I'll be more free prob. I intend to ISO genny and realtime with Nate/True if possible to decide optimal yeet for today

 

[Santygrass]

Skill Issue btw

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

9pm CDT, so 4.5 hours.

Still, yes.

yeah I'm dumb nevermind, went the wrong time zone direction

 

[NateTheLesser]

Good opportunity for a question, Nate:

In our only game together, I was mafia-aligned and kind of got the best of you in our individual matchup (no boast intended, you're an excellent player). So I am a little surprised that you're confidently town reading me again. How do you think I differ from that previous game, and/or what else gives you that level of confidence in me?

I'm not excellent but thanks for saying so (though I will take the opportunity to boast that after you flipped I used VCA to correctly call out your 2 wolfmates exactly.... which since I'd hard defended you was ignored and then I was misyeeted and nobody looked at it again )

Going into that game I had high expectations based on your reputation and spec chat persona etc, and then in the game I was somewhat underwhelmed? But I set those concerns aside because I wasn't sure if it was fair to hold you to a standard that I'd essentially invented in my head. And here I haven't really felt the same gut concerns. Which is vague, but it's day 1. In other words it seems like you're having fun being the town leader instead of pretending to be one. It's a vibe, so far.

I was also curious to see how you'd approach me given the last game. My expectation was that if you were a wolf again you'd probably see me as someone to keep around for a later misyeet, since that's what happened last time, and that hasn't seemed to be your approach to me here.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Those posts I townread True for were absolutely not based on me agreeing with his paranoia

Yeah you clarified that at some point. Do you still think his paranoia was towny in itself?

 

[Empire]

I am given pause about Nate. I think that catchup post is at least good enough that I’m not going to sit silently on this wagon without reconsidering. I do need Nate to complete his catchup quickly, because time is limited this phase. @NateTheLesser

If I don’t vote Nate, the first names in my head right now are Clem and genny as alternates.

w/r/t clem:

i know he can frequently be aloof on day 1 as either alignment and so it's not always easy to get a read, he can be an "easy" misyeet

i think when motivated he's fully capable of projecting towniness as mafia by acting in a more conventional manner as mafia but he is not always motivated

i also think when he's town he usually has flashes of genuine moments behind his facade

i didn't think he'd open the game by voting you as mafia but i haven't seen anything from him since that rings genuine

 

[Empire]

Yeah you clarified that at some point. Do you still think his paranoia was towny in itself?

yes? i thought that was more likely to be a post a towny makes

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not excellent but thanks for saying so (though I will take the opportunity to boast that after you flipped I used VCA to correctly call out your 2 wolfmates exactly.... which since I'd hard defended you was ignored and then I was misyeeted and nobody looked at it again )

Going into that game I had high expectations based on your reputation and spec chat persona etc, and then in the game I was somewhat underwhelmed? But I set those concerns aside because I wasn't sure if it was fair to hold you to a standard that I'd essentially invented in my head. And here I haven't really felt the same gut concerns. Which is vague, but it's day 1. In other words it seems like you're having fun being the town leader instead of pretending to be one. It's a vibe, so far.

I was also curious to see how you'd approach me given the last game. My expectation was that if you were a wolf again you'd probably see me as someone to keep around for a later misyeet, since that's what happened last time, and that hasn't seemed to be your approach to me here.

Okay. I'll continue roasting. I want you to catch up in full.

 

[Truenamer]

yes? i thought that was more likely to be a post a towny makes

If I was a wolf I wouldn't bother doubting/shading JJJ, because he'd be dying tonight.

 

[NateTheLesser]

okay, finally caught up for real

okay, but - you said it didn't strike you one way or the other, which feels a little bit different from what you're saying here

and it feels a bit to me like it could be floating a trial balloon to see if JJJ willwill be willing to push me and that opens things up for you to do so as well


but regardless of all that - I have seen your reads list. Is there a reason I'm a scumread for you now? I couldn't find a fully articulated argument in your reads.

I wasn't sure if it was AI, an outside perspective is helpful to me especially for pushes on myself. I'm not really prone to OMGUS in general but it helps to get other viewpoints on it.

Either way, in my catchup post-readslist I thought your content looked a lot better on p12/p13 so I'm now more interested in True over you.

 

[Santygrass]

I dont think Empire should be yeeted today, they are pocketing me with some posts smh

 

[Empire]

I wasn't sure if it was AI, an outside perspective is helpful to me especially for pushes on myself. I'm not really prone to OMGUS in general but it helps to get other viewpoints on it.

Either way, in my catchup post-readslist I thought your content looked a lot better on p12/p13 so I'm now more interested in True over you.

okay, but why was i down there to begin with?

 

[NateTheLesser]

And I'm caught up, so I'll shift my vote.

##Unyeet AM##
##Yeet True##

I'm not entirely comfortable with where my POE is? For one I haven't interacted directly with True very much. And for the other, if I'm less interested in Empire I'm no totally sure who else I'd slot in there..

 

[Truenamer]

And I'm caught up, so I'll shift my vote.

##Unyeet AM##
##Yeet True##

I'm not entirely comfortable with where my POE is? For one I haven't interacted directly with True very much. And for the other, if I'm less interested in Empire I'm no totally sure who else I'd slot in there..

If you don't feel comfortable with this, it's because it's incorrect.

 

[NateTheLesser]

This should be the current vote count BTW (see if I can do my formatting right):
Nate 5 (AM, Santy, JJJ, Empire, Truey) Truey 3 (PSV, Samac, Nate) JJJ 1 (Clem) Santy 1 (Sporty) Empire 1 (April) Sporty 1 (Genny)

 

[NateTheLesser]

Eh, kinda worked.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I should mention that if I am around for Day 2, my time will be considerably more restricted. I'm attending a game tomorrow hosted by the reigning AFC champion Cincinnati Bengals.

 

[NateTheLesser]

If you don't feel comfortable with this, it's because it's incorrect.

If it's not you OR me, who would you be most interested in right now?

 

[Animal Midwife]

If I was a wolf I wouldn't bother doubting/shading JJJ, because he'd be dying tonight.

Why would you kill JJJ? He's not voting for you.

 

[Empire]

And I'm caught up, so I'll shift my vote.

##Unyeet AM##
##Yeet True##

I'm not entirely comfortable with where my POE is? For one I haven't interacted directly with True very much. And for the other, if I'm less interested in Empire I'm no totally sure who else I'd slot in there..

i mean i am also uncomfortable that your reads seemed to trend toward consensus/acceptable ones

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who is all available in the thread right now? Just give me a quick affirmation if you are. I might have an idea to help us progress our reads, but I need folks present live.

 

[Truenamer]

If it's not you OR me, who would you be most interested in right now?

I think I would have to go for someone out of Clem, genny, Empire, or possibly Sporty.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Who is all available in the thread right now? Just give me a quick affirmation if you are. I might have an idea to help us progress our reads, but I need folks present live.

I'm here.