Time To Get a WWatch - Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

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The following shouldn't be construed as a "case" against Clem. Rather, it's a long way of asking "wtf?"

Spoiler

4:11 PM EDT

Skill issue

4:12 PM EDT

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

I hope this is correct, rules and new sites confuse me

4:13 PM EDT

Is there an easy way to iso here?

These are some of Clem's first posts (the first arriving at 4:11). Within a minute, he voted for me. A minute later, he asked for a way to ISO. Clearly, Clem, you did not ISO me (you didn't know how). That'd have to imply then that your read came by reading the game thread in proper sequence.

The only other read you have provided in this game (that I can easily locate) was this one:

5:50 PM EDT

Dunno yet

The one guy that said he wanted to team up with me then said he wants to nuke the nubes, that was pretty townie

This was, I believe, a reference to this post by Truenamer:
4:16 PM EDT

Perfect, please climb in my pocket, we'll show these bad villagers wolves what for

This post came immediately after you arrived in the game. So I have two readily apparent reads: Jay is mafia, and Truenamer is town. The latter read is an extremely "vibe" thing that comes from a post that came into existence as you were joining the thread (indeed, it was about you).

This is all to say that I have no actual evidence in front of me that you have read anything prior to your arrival -- none of the game, none of my posts, none of anything. And if that's the case, it's essentially impossible for your read to be real. So what are you doing.

 

[WildZoo]

LOOKS LIKE A PAGE WAS MISSED IN AN EARLIER TALLY, I AM WORKING ON EDITS, THE NEXT TALLY SHOULD BE ACCURATE AND THEN I WILL GO BACK AND FIX THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT I POSTED. APOLOGIES. ​

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@potentialsheltervet

The most I can find from you about why I'm scum is that I feel "weird", but that is still enough to make me "firm PoE". Come at me, wolf case me, hit me as hard as you can. I want to see it.

You do feel weird and that's often how I pick my D1 votes.
Although this is making me think of something. Hold pls.

no the opposite lol

Testosterone makes people blustery, puffing up to show IT'S SO MASCULINE. It's more about display.
Whereas estrogen leads to a creeping sense of distrust. I'm nice to your face but I'm plotting your demise.
See: most mammalian predators

Could you clarify what star-crossed means here?

On opposite teams

Yes, given that he doesn't bus.

Ohhh I'm not too sure of that.

i also don’t think true and Nate are compatible.

Disagree.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Wowee I'm concluding True and Nate are quite compatible. Weewow

 

[potentialsheltervet]

An actual case against Empire extending beyond feels would require my laptop and I don't have it right now. This evening.
For now though
Unyeet Empire
Yeet true (sorry 😔)

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Whether Nate and Truenamer are compatible, it's most important that we make the best decision today (whether it's either of them or not). I don't think it's a heinous sin to think about associations pre-flip, but they shouldn't be hugely influential to our voting decisions pre-flip.

If we can cover EVERY pre-flip association, then it's different. I'm still trying to find a practical way to do that.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Ohhh I'm not too sure of that.

I'm listening

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Is it TTime to Start a Tally?

PSV ()
April ()
True (1) - PSV
Nate (5) - Santy, AM, JJJ, Empire, True
AM (1) - Nate
JJJ (1) - Clem
Santy (1) - Sporty
Empire (2) - samac, April
samac ()
Sporty (1) - genny

12/12

Winning: @NateTheLesser
Missing: No one 😱

Vote closes at 9pm CDT WEDNESDAY (TODAY!) (<7.5 hours)

 

[WildZoo]

I believe the above is correct but please check your votes

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When reviewing the thread in proper order, these were the dissociations I came up with (i.e., not mafia teammates):

Nate/AM
Truenamer/AM
April/Santy
April/Truenamer
Empire/PSV
Emire/samac
samac/Truenamer

I'd like to continue to build from this set, and I'll take the ones others have proposed into consideration. Thanks to those who've contributed already. The best value of these isn't even to figure out the mafia team, in my opinion -- instead, it's to identify players that fit with too few others and clear them.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm listening

I'm thinking he may have changed his mind on bussing after the weagle/him situation in Assassination Classroom

 

[potentialsheltervet]

When reviewing the thread in proper order, these were the dissociations I came up with (i.e., not mafia teammates):

Nate/AM
Truenamer/AM
April/Santy
April/Truenamer
Empire/PSV
Emire/samac
samac/Truenamer

I'd like to continue to build from this set, and I'll take the ones others have proposed into consideration. Thanks to those who've contributed already. The best value of these isn't even to figure out the mafia team, in my opinion -- instead, it's to identify players that fit with too few others and clear them.

Me/AM is another. Me/Truenamer
I don't personally all of these pairs are impossible beyond a reasonable wolf theater doubt but it's a helpful start. Much more so once we get a flip.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm thinking he may have changed his mind on bussing after the weagle/him situation in Assassination Classroom

Where did he say that?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Me/AM is another. Me/Truenamer
I don't personally all of these pairs are impossible beyond a reasonable wolf theater doubt but it's a helpful start. Much more so once we get a flip.

What makes you incompatible with True again?

 

[samac]

@Aprilthearab @samac thoughts on this posts?

In regards to both Empire and Nate (?

I went back and reread the whole interaction
And you know what? I think empire actually made a good point about where the line of questioning leads.
I’m considering go to true.
I’m going to do this for now
Unyeet empire

 

[Truenamer]

An actual case against Empire extending beyond feels would require my laptop and I don't have it right now. This evening.
For now though
Unyeet Empire
Yeet true (sorry 😔)

Shelty don't feel bad but I think it's going to be a while before you get that reading card back

 

[samac]

Wowee I'm concluding True and Nate are quite compatible. Weewow

I was going to call you nuts but reading back through I see what you’re saying.
After the anime game I’m not so sure true will hold the same anti bussing stance. I wasn’t sure he would do it this soon though, I feel like it would be him feeling it’s necessary. But if they’re both wolves and both taking early heat I can see why he would think it is necessary.

Started with Nate in village reads
-> got ****
-> quickly realized to pivot and then knocked him down to neutrals.
-> wasn’t enough, they’re both POE and they have to distance

 

[genny]

Do you mind sharing why?

i haven't seen anything outside her wolf range yet. true just modded, so i don't feel like voting there today, but otherwise would be in contention for me. and i'm not sure i want to vote a player new to us just yet because they've been fun to have around and i want them to continue playing with us. sucks to be the d1 vote on a new site, yeah?

this is probably not a very good way to win the game so i'm not recommending this approach for the rest of the class.

 

[samac]

When reviewing the thread in proper order, these were the dissociations I came up with (i.e., not mafia teammates):

Nate/AM
Truenamer/AM
April/Santy
April/Truenamer
Empire/PSV
Emire/samac
samac/Truenamer

I'd like to continue to build from this set, and I'll take the ones others have proposed into consideration. Thanks to those who've contributed already. The best value of these isn't even to figure out the mafia team, in my opinion -- instead, it's to identify players that fit with too few others and clear them.

Why true and AM?
Why april and santy?

 

[samac]

i haven't seen anything outside her wolf range yet. true just modded, so i don't feel like voting there today, but otherwise would be in contention for me. and i'm not sure i want to vote a player new to us just yet because they've been fun to have around and i want them to continue playing with us. sucks to be the d1 vote on a new site, yeah?

this is probably not a very good way to win the game so i'm not recommending this approach for the rest of the class.

Didn’t sporty and true mod the last game together?

 

[Santygrass]

Me/AM is another. Me/Truenamer
I don't personally all of these pairs are impossible beyond a reasonable wolf theater doubt but it's a helpful start. Much more so once we get a flip.

Having trouble thinking this comes from a wolf tbh

 

[Santygrass]

Would be funny if I get pockected by psv two times in a row tho, and at this point I'm willing to allow that

 

[samac]

unyeet AM
yeet sporty

Also, I like to go at sporty hard when she’s a wolf. I’m not feeling it this game.

 

[genny]

Didn’t sporty and true mod the last game together?

lol whoops.

 

[Animal Midwife]

i haven't seen anything outside her wolf range yet. true just modded, so i don't feel like voting there today, but otherwise would be in contention for me.

I forgot about the bolded and I'm surprised you brought this up even before True did.

and i'm not sure i want to vote a player new to us just yet because they've been fun to have around and i want them to continue playing with us. sucks to be the d1 vote on a new site, yeah?

this is probably not a very good way to win the game so i'm not recommending this approach for the rest of the class.

Who's the new player being referenced here?

 

[samac]

lol whoops.

I can’t eliminate all the people new to me along with the last 2 mods as potential yeets. That’s over half the roster.

 

[genny]

I forgot about the bolded and I'm surprised you brought this up even before True did.

i thought he mentioned it in this game already. having the mod mindset.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why true and AM?
Why april and santy?

AM was digging into True a little bit earlier in the game with a line of questioning that struck me as unnecessary for teammates and perhaps even a little "annoying" (not that it annoyed me, but it would annoy a wolf being subjected to it). That kind of persistent pestering is generally a good indicator that players are not teamed.

April and Santy were at odds at the start of the game, and I don't think it looked coordinated or purposeful. I don't recall the details off-hand, but it's something to revisit later if it is pertinent.

 

[genny]

I can’t eliminate all the people new to me along with the last 2 mods as potential yeets. That’s over half the roster.

yes, hence why i don't recommend it for the rest of the class.

 

[Santygrass]

I forgot about the bolded and I'm surprised you brought this up even before True did.

Who's the new player being referenced here?

But true bringed it up in like... Page 1 or 2 tho?

 

[Santygrass]

Why does it surprise you to bring up ? Its good or bad?

 

[Santygrass]

AM was digging into True a little bit earlier in the game with a line of questioning that struck me as unnecessary for teammates and perhaps even a little "annoying" (not that it annoyed me, but it would annoy a wolf being subjected to it). That kind of persistent pestering is generally a good indicator that players are not teamed.

April and Santy were at odds at the start of the game, and I don't think it looked coordinated or purposeful. I don't recall the details off-hand, but it's something to revisit later if it is pertinent.

Yeah, I dont think AM questions the townread that True gave ln her that way if they are W/W tbh

 

[genny]

Who's the new player being referenced here?

all of them.

 

[Animal Midwife]

i thought he mentioned it in this game already. having the mod mindset.

I looked back I see that's one of his first posts. Not sure what to make of him not using that as a reason to not be wagoned today.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am familiar with the "don't vote out newcomers on Day 1" unwritten rule from other places, and it's a policy I have supported myself before. In this particular game though, as a newcomer myself, I would discourage that approach (even if the spirit is appreciated). There are simply too many of us, and there are two few eliminations available to town in a 12-player game.

Let's kill mafia. They'll forgive it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

But true bringed it up in like... Page 1 or 2 tho?

I saw that. I just forgot because it was last referenced 40+ hours ago.

 

[genny]

I am familiar with the "don't vote out newcomers on Day 1" unwritten rule from other places, and it's a policy I have supported myself before. In this particular game though, as a newcomer myself, I would discourage that approach (even if the spirit is appreciated). There are simply too many of us, and there are two few eliminations available to town in a 12-player game.

Let's kill mafia. They'll forgive it.

eh, does nate really need another vote? i'm not opposed to switching later.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I am familiar with the "don't vote out newcomers on Day 1" unwritten rule from other places, and it's a policy I have supported myself before. In this particular game though, as a newcomer myself, I would discourage that approach (even if the spirit is appreciated). There are simply too many of us, and there are two few eliminations available to town in a 12-player game.

Let's kill mafia. They'll forgive it.

Agree strongly. Thought about this earlier. If we don't vote new players or recent mods then there goes like the entire PoE and that just isn't acceptable. I extend some grace that way but I'm not going to lose a game over it, you know?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why does it surprise you to bring up ? Its good or bad?

Well, it just seems like something True would care more about than other players since it's his life on the line.

I also don't really associate genny with a softer style of play goven her history of pushing noob first in the POE + being open to N1ing a the champs qualifier in the practice game.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I had forgotten True just modded so I do feel bad about voting there. More bad than before.
But not currently going to change it.

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Is it TTime to Start a Tally?

PSV ()
April ()
True (1) - PSV
Nate (5) - Santy, AM, JJJ, Empire, True
AM (1) - Nate
JJJ (1) - Clem
Santy (1) - Sporty
Empire (1) - April
samac ()
Sporty (1) - genny

11/12

Winning: @NateTheLesser
Missing: @samac
Vote closes at 9pm CDT WEDNESDAY (TODAY!) (<7 hours)

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

eh, does nate really need another vote? i'm not opposed to switching later.

You should vote for whomever you think will flip mafia! That might not be Nate. I eagerly observe your next move, genny. I'm watching, and I don't blink! Not once!

 

[Animal Midwife]

I will always respect the mod courtesy, but players new to the site (who aren't total noobs) do not get the same courtesy. Old enough to self-clear, old enough to die here.

 

[samac]

Yeet true

 

[Animal Midwife]

Having trouble thinking this comes from a wolf tbh

Why's that?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@potentialsheltervet Could you answer my question?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I will always respect the mod courtesy, but players new to the site (who aren't total noobs) do not get the same courtesy. Old enough to self-clear, old enough to die here.

Why'd you like this post @samac?

 

[genny]

I also don't really associate genny with a softer style of play goven her history of pushing noob first in the POE

i'm pretty sure i've chimed in on discussions with Cray about this that you've been part of. in regards to being welcoming in general and her prior very vocal noob hunting. i'm very surprised you'd say this.

 

[Santygrass]

Why's that?

Its like a very bold move to give self unpairings, and at the end of the day as a wolf those type lf reads doesnt help you?
I dont think W!Psv thinking about which slots looks unpaired to them rn and then putting them in thread tbh

 

[samac]

Why'd you like this post @samac?

Old enough to self clear old enough to die here is ducking fantastic.