University of Cincinnati M.S. in Physiology 2019-2020

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I'd say about half the people my year, including myself, roomed with someone else in the SMP. Most others either lived by themselves or from home if they were local. Rooming with someone in the SMP definitely works well since you'll have virtually-identical class and study schedules for the entire year.




The classes you share with med school students (FOMM, FOCM, and MSK) run from mid-Sept to late-Feb and are recorded with attendance "encouraged". The SMP-specific classes such as GMP, Neurophys, and Statistics do have required attendance and are generally clustered either in Aug-Sept or March-May. Between all those and other things like anatomy/histology labs, seminars, research, case studies, and review sessions, expect to be on-campus around 5 days a week (including weekends). Living within a short walking or driving distance to campus is 100% worth it if you aren't already local to the area.

Thank you for answering all our questions! It’s so helpful haha.

Could you elaborate on what a short walking distance is to class? Is a 15-20 minute walk to the Harrison library considered short?

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Do SMP students get extra consideration when applying to UC after finishing the SMP?
 
For accepted students, do they provide any sort of help/guidance for students applying to medical school the year of the program (such as letter of rec around October or list of schools to apply to)?
 
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Thank you for answering all our questions! It’s so helpful haha.

Could you elaborate on what a short walking distance is to class? Is a 15-20 minute walk to the Harrison library considered short?

That's a good distance imo. Remember that in the SMP, you'll want to do everything you can to facilitate your academic success. Having a stress-free commute, either by a short walk or drive, can make a world of difference when you're knee-deep in med blocks. ;)

For accepted students, do they provide any sort of help/guidance for students applying to medical school the year of the program (such as letter of rec around October or list of schools to apply to)?

Within the first week, you'll be matched with SMP alum who are current med students and will act as peer advisors, both for the program and for med school apps. You should definitely have a good school list coming into the SMP, but both your classmates and peer advisors may be helpful sources of feedback. Additionally, the program directors will meet with you sometime in August to help write a basic LOR. If you ask, the program directors can reupload that letter after each final exam with a progress report (showing your performance relative to the M1 average). Just let schools you're applying to know that this is where they can view grade updates.

Do SMP students get extra consideration when applying to UC after finishing the SMP?

Having a good SMP GPA will get you a boost at UC, especially if you stay in the area to do work/research/volunteering.
 
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I'm a current UC SMP student and I've been accepted into UCCOM if anyone has any questions please ask!

Is there time or opportunity to do research? Thats something my application is missing, despite a low GPA and mediocre MCAT :blackeye:, and would like to fulfill before applying to medical school.
 
Is there time or opportunity to do research? Thats something my application is missing, despite a low GPA and mediocre MCAT :blackeye:, and would like to fulfill before applying to medical school.
Opportunity, yes. Time, not really. With not great stats to begin with, you really need your primary focus to be your grades. If you want to do research you could definitely do that during a gap year after the SMP but like the person above me said, grades need to be your number one priority during the SMP to make it worth the time, money, and stress.
 
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Is there time or opportunity to do research? Thats something my application is missing, despite a low GPA and mediocre MCAT :blackeye:, and would like to fulfill before applying to medical school.
I will add that it’s reasonable to expect to be able to get some shadowing and volunteering done as an SMP student but to really get meaningful research experience would be tough.
 
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Hopefully someone that has done the SMP can you give more specific info but just a general word of advice:

If you’re doing a SMP, your one and only focus should be your GPA.

A lot of low GPA students get into our situation because our priorities were somewhere else than undergrad classwork for whatever reason (health problems, working too much, family problems, etc). I would strongly advise you not to go into a SMP with the mentality that you will do anything more than get a great GPA and improve that part of your application. Get out of the mindset that your application has to be well rounded in every area. Your GPA is so low that research doesn’t matter right now.


Definitely appreciate the advice and agree my GPA is the priority, but I guess the main reasoning behind my question is to see whether I should commit to this program or maybe one that has research included in the curriculum like others I have applied to. I would rather take my time with a 2 year program that also allows for the opportunity to research such as BU MAMS in order to get all the experiences I want, not just for admissions reasons but also for myself. I have always wanted to do research but never really saw the opportunity to do so. I worry that Cincin would just crank out some grades and push me onward, which is not necessarily all I want. BUT if there was a possibility to research in a department at Cincin after I'm done with the grades, now that may be another story, just kind of wonder how difficult it would be to get in on something like that.
 
Opportunity, yes. Time, not really. With not great stats to begin with, you really need your primary focus to be your grades. If you want to do research you could definitely do that during a gap year after the SMP but like the person above me said, grades need to be your number one priority during the SMP to make it worth the time, money, and stress.

Definitely appreciate the advice and agree my GPA is the priority, but I guess the main reasoning behind my question is to see whether I should commit to this program or maybe one that has research included in the curriculum like others I have applied to. I would rather take my time with a program that also allows for the opportunity to research such as BU MAMS in order to get all the experiences I want, not just for admissions reasons. I worry that Cincin would just crank out some grades and push me onward, which is not necessarily all I want. BUT if there was a possibility to research in a department at Cincin after I'm done with the grades, now that may be another story, just kind of wonder how difficult it would be to get in on something like that.
 
Definitely appreciate the advice and agree my GPA is the priority, but I guess the main reasoning behind my question is to see whether I should commit to this program or maybe one that has research included in the curriculum like others I have applied to. I would rather take my time with a program that also allows for the opportunity to research such as BU MAMS in order to get all the experiences I want, not just for admissions reasons. I worry that Cincin would just crank out some grades and push me onward, which is not necessarily all I want. BUT if there was a possibility to research in a department at Cincin after I'm done with the grades, now that may be another story, just kind of wonder how difficult it would be to get in on something like that.
There is allllllways research to be found haha. Several of my friends got jobs as clinical research coordinators at UC and/or Children’s during the gap year they took after the SMP while they were applying.
 
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Hey everyone,

I recently got accepted into the program and I was caught a little off guard to say the least. I had all my attention on another program that I recently got rejected from, so didn't really have time to contemplate life in Cincinnati.

Never been to the city or school, so if anyone has any advice, I would gladly take it. I have a week to make my decision, but the program just seems too good to pass up.

Good luck to everyone that is applying and congrats to all those that got accepted!
 
Hey everyone,

I recently got accepted into the program and I was caught a little off guard to say the least. I had all my attention on another program that I recently got rejected from, so didn't really have time to contemplate life in Cincinnati.

Never been to the city or school, so if anyone has any advice, I would gladly take it. I have a week to make my decision, but the program just seems too good to pass up.

Good luck to everyone that is applying and congrats to all those that got accepted!

I haven't done the program but I live in cincy. I am originally from LA so coming over here was definitely quite the change but I enjoy it here. There's lots to do in downtown, which is growing. Over the Rhine Area is where most things happens. Some streets can be sketchy at night but for the most part its safe if you walk on the main streets. The restaurants are pretty solid, though I think Mexican food is lacking. Nightlife is pretty decent with several places to choose from and young crowds. Baseball and football are games are fun to go. Cincy just got a new soccer team and although I haven't been to their games yet I hear they're just as fun. And lastly, rent and gas is dirt cheap, which means more money in your pocket to enjoy life.
 
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in order to get all the experiences I want, not just for admissions reasons but also for myself. I have always wanted to do research but never really saw the opportunity to do so. I worry that Cinci would just crank out some grades and push me onward, which is not necessarily all I want.
You need to critically evaluate yourself and distinguish between what you aspire to accomplish and what (with whatever current work ethic / efficiency) you are capable of accomplishing. I remember having to do this and trust me the truth is sobering but it saved me from overestimating my abilities. A low GPA can mean a variety of things, but only you can answer if the low GPA is due to capability. Also, Cinci will crank out whatever grades you earn, and trust me when I say you will have to earn them. Think of it this way, if you go to BU MAMS you are required to juggle grades and research at a level you've never experienced before whereas UC SMP you only are required to juggle classes and have the opportunity to do research if you find that you are thriving in the program.
 
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Hey everyone,

I recently got accepted into the program and I was caught a little off guard to say the least. I had all my attention on another program that I recently got rejected from, so didn't really have time to contemplate life in Cincinnati.

Never been to the city or school, so if anyone has any advice, I would gladly take it. I have a week to make my decision, but the program just seems too good to pass up.

Good luck to everyone that is applying and congrats to all those that got accepted!
I made a huge post about my experience so check that out along with this. The program is good. Really good. Really hard BUT you have a support system as long as you are open to making friends with the 30ish people that will go through the journey with you.
Advice:
-live somewhere close to school. What does that mean? Close enough to where waking up and going to that optional review is only a question of motivation and not "but traffic + highway divided by time ..etc" the majority of my class lived within a 2 mile radius.
-realize that it wont just be hell. We made time to go out to a bar / go see a baseball game / go to the zoo / group dinners / intramural teams. I believe that this had 100% to do with our tight knit / small class size.
-weather is weather. We had three students from florida who were definitely not acclimated to the cold, but it still sucked for everyone so it does not matter that much (plus you will be studying in the MSB 95% of your waking hours and inside that building time / space / weather / does not exist....just lecture slides)
-looking back it was difficult as hell but I can say honestly: I had fun / made awesome memories / glad I chose this program.
 
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I made a huge post about my experience so check that out along with this. The program is good. Really good. Really hard BUT you have a support system as long as you are open to making friends with the 30ish people that will go through the journey with you.
Advice:
-live somewhere close to school. What does that mean? Close enough to where waking up and going to that optional review is only a question of motivation and not "but traffic + highway divided by time ..etc" the majority of my class lived within a 2 mile radius.
-realize that it wont just be hell. We made time to go out to a bar / go see a baseball game / go to the zoo / group dinners / intramural teams. I believe that this had 100% to do with our tight knit / small class size.
-weather is weather. We had three students from florida who were definitely not acclimated to the cold, but it still sucked for everyone so it does not matter that much (plus you will be studying in the MSB 95% of your waking hours and inside that building time / space / weather / does not exist....just lecture slides)
-looking back it was difficult as hell but I can say honestly: I had fun / made awesome memories / glad I chose this program.

Do you think you would have performed as well if you lived farther? Say 30 min commute?
 
Do you think you would have performed as well if you lived farther? Say 30 min commute?
I think it's definitely to your detriment if you live that far away. Not only would it be harder to get to class, but also, a huge part of this program for me was working with my classmates. Most of the people that lived 30 mins+ away went home after class and didn't benefit from having a bunch of people to bounce ideas off of and study together with. That being said, there were a few that did, but they spent their entire day at school, bringing lunch and dinner as well.

I definitely wouldn't recommend staying so far away unless you had a compelling reason for doing so, like living rent-free with relatives or something.

I know in the FAQ it says orientation is August 14th but does anyone know when we will find out about when breaks are in the fall or when certain classes start/end?

It’s been radio silence since I was accepted a few months ago and the program starts in 6 weeks...

They haven't updated the academic calendar yet, but your breaks in the first half of the semester are coordinated with the M1 year of medical school:

You get your holiday's: Labor day, Veteran's day, and Thanksgiving, and your winter break runs from December 21st - January 5th.
You can also see when each block starts and ends on the curriculum schematic, but the only break you get is the weekend haha.

In your second semester, I think you get MLK and memorial day, but your spring break runs with the undergraduate campus (since med blocks are over at that point), so March 16 - 22. The program for us ended in the last week of May.


They'll definitely give you the schedule at orientation too.
 
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I think it's definitely to your detriment if you live that far away. Not only would it be harder to get to class, but also, a huge part of this program for me was working with my classmates. Most of the people that lived 30 mins+ away went home after class and didn't benefit from having a bunch of people to bounce ideas off of and study together with. That being said, there were a few that did, but they spent their entire day at school, bringing lunch and dinner as well.

I definitely wouldn't recommend staying so far away unless you had a compelling reason for doing so, like living rent-free with relatives or something.



They haven't updated the academic calendar yet, but your breaks in the first half of the semester are coordinated with the M1 year of medical school:

You get your holiday's: Labor day, Veteran's day, and Thanksgiving, and your winter break runs from December 21st - January 5th.
You can also see when each block starts and ends on the curriculum schematic, but the only break you get is the weekend haha.

In your second semester, I think you get MLK and memorial day, but your spring break runs with the undergraduate campus (since med blocks are over at that point), so March 16 - 22. The program for us ended in the last week of May.


They'll definitely give you the schedule at orientation too.

To make things complicated I do get to live rent free
 
To make things complicated I do get to live rent free
You can still definitely make it work, and that's a lot of money saved! I would just advise don't let yourself get isolated. Make an effort to get to know your class and try to see how you might benefit from being around others when studying. As you can tell, I am a huge advocate for staying on campus and being around peers, and you can still do that with your commute if you pack your meals. Of course, you can always study solo, and that has worked okay for people too. It just might be harder to stay motivated and to adapt to tests.
 
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Is there a lot of group work or do you just mean connected to your peers as far as study groups? I know some people prefer to study alone in medical school and do well so I would imagine that would be ok in this program too.
No group work. I just mean staying connected to your peers.

I think if you've got it figured out, then of course, you're golden, but if you start to struggle with adjusting to the course load, then I think the easiest way to get back on track is talking with your peers.
 
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Has anyone been waitlisted to the program? I've been on waitlisted for few months and trying to see if there's any movement so far.
 
I will be dropping my acceptance soon as I have been accepted to med school. Hope it goes to one of you!
 
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Waitlisted today.

Does anyone know when classes start, and when we can expect to hear back if at all?

Thanks!
 
Does anyone know what time classes typically start? I’m trying to get a feel for the day to day schedule. Thanks in advance!
 
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Does anyone know what time classes typically start? I’m trying to get a feel for the day to day schedule. Thanks in advance!
Per an earlier post:
“The typical schedule during the med blocks is lecture/lab/whatever ~8-12 with afternoons mostly free for studying (with occasional mandatory stuff during the afternoons a day or two a week - it varies).”

During the non-med blocks, you usually have class for a couple hours in the morning and/or afternoon. Not very specific but it does vary.
 
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Is there time or opportunity to do research? Thats something my application is missing, despite a low GPA and mediocre MCAT :blackeye:, and would like to fulfill before applying to medical school.
Personally I don't think there would be time to do much outside of the program. I don't think anyone in my class did research during but I could be wrong.
 
Did anyone in the program just study on their own and still do really well? Or is group studying sorta mandatory?
 
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Did anyone in the program just study on their own and still do really well? Or is group studying sorta mandatory?
I studied mainly on my own, sometimes with one other person. Depends on what works for you.
 
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Did anyone not have a car during the program to save money? My apartment is a few blocks to 3 bus lines that have stops at the medical campus (no transfers necessary). Am I being too frugal? Haha

Also how much is a parking pass on campus if I do bring my car?
It’s certainly possible. Parking passes are ~$300 per semester.
 
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How's everyone looking for housing? If you're interested in a 2 BR 1 Bath, please PM me! Looking for a roommate.
 
Hey guys, if anybody did the UC Cincinnati smp in past years were there any online resources you guys found helpful?
 
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Does anyone have an idea when we'll get our schedule and book list? And does the program use canvas or blackboard?
 
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Hey guys, if anybody did the UC Cincinnati smp in past years were there any online resources you guys found helpful?
You will have some lunches and stuff with M1s and 2s who will be able to tell you alllll that stuff as it becomes relevant to you.

You will get more advice than you’ll know what to do with haha.
 
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Does anyone have an idea when we'll get our schedule and book list? And does the program use canvas or blackboard?
You’ll get your schedule at orientation. The only hard copy book you need will be provided. They use Blackboard for the non-med classes but LCMS+ (which is I guess called LEO now idk) for med classes.
 
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Does anyone know how the admissions calculates your GPAs? Is it the same way AMCAS does?
 
Nah, they use whatever GPA is on your transcript so they don't calculate anything.
 
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"*Specific academic criteria: B+ or better in all four medical-school courses within the SMP, i.e. Fundamentals of Cellular Medicine; Fundamentals of Molecular Medicine; Musculo–Skeletal–Integumentary; Osteology, Radiology & Surface Anatomy."

That is what was in my acceptance email. Seems very reasonable.

I took the following courses in fall 2019, any suggestion to aces next (spring) semester. My current GPA is 3.3, any suggestion to improve my overall GPA.

- Fundamentals of Cellular Medicine (B+),
- Fundamentals of Molecular Medicine (B)
 
Hi! I'm considering applying to this program for the upcoming year. For any current students, does the program offer guidance/good advice for applying to medical school (ex. if you were debating retaking the MCAT or taking an extra year, would you feel as though you were making this decision on your own or are there faculty members whose opinions you would respect enough to ask?)
 
Hi! I'm considering applying to this program for the upcoming year. For any current students, does the program offer guidance/good advice for applying to medical school (ex. if you were debating retaking the MCAT or taking an extra year, would you feel as though you were making this decision on your own or are there faculty members whose opinions you would respect enough to ask?)
Not in the SMP anymore but I am a current M2 - you will get guidance. There are definitely faculty members you can go to, but the SMP alumni who are now in med school are just as valuable, if not even more so.
 
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Hey all, I wanted to get your general thoughts. If I have a low mcat score and a 3.6 GPA, should I not bother applying to this program and just focus on studying for the MCAT? I’m also a career changer and have been out of school for 5 years. Though I have taken all my pre-reqs, some are a bit old...
 
Hey all, I wanted to get your general thoughts. If I have a low mcat score and a 3.6 GPA, should I not bother applying to this program and just focus on studying for the MCAT? I’m also a career changer and have been out of school for 5 years. Though I have taken all my pre-reqs, some are a bit old...

Your GPA is good enough that you most likely won't need an SMP right away. Take any missing/old pre-reqs through a post-bac, focus on getting a 510+ on the MCAT, and you should be decently competitive.
 
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Anyone currently in the M.S. right now who could offer some guidance? I am interested in the program but wondering how doable it really is. You are being compared to the med students, right? How could the MS students compete against the Cincinnati med students, who (according to MSAR) have an average 3.83 GPA and 517 MCAT? Like are you guys actually getting good grades in the program? Lol. How many people in your class drop out or have bad grades?
 
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Anyone currently in the M.S. right now who could offer some guidance? I am interested in the program but wondering how doable it really is. You are being compared to the med students, right? How could the MS students compete against the Cincinnati med students, who (according to MSAR) have an average 3.83 GPA and 517 MCAT? Like are you guys actually getting good grades in the program? Lol. How many people in your class drop out or have bad grades?

Got similar questions too! And is Cincinnati waiving their entrance score requirement for the SMP due to COVID?


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Anyone currently in the M.S. right now who could offer some guidance? I am interested in the program but wondering how doable it really is. You are being compared to the med students, right? How could the MS students compete against the Cincinnati med students, who (according to MSAR) have an average 3.83 GPA and 517 MCAT? Like are you guys actually getting good grades in the program? Lol. How many people in your class drop out or have bad grades?

Most of the people in the SMP have a high MCAT/ low GPA. On average our exam grades are 2-5% below the M1 average. We had one person drop out early in the program, but historically speaking that is quite rare. As for results you can check the UC SMP page and see where people have gone. Looking back, theres nearly 20-30% matriculation rate into UC-MD from the SMP class, and that will probably rise now they offer the guaranteed interview for B+ in the med blocks.
 
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Anyone currently in the M.S. right now who could offer some guidance? I am interested in the program but wondering how doable it really is. You are being compared to the med students, right? How could the MS students compete against the Cincinnati med students, who (according to MSAR) have an average 3.83 GPA and 517 MCAT? Like are you guys actually getting good grades in the program? Lol. How many people in your class drop out or have bad grades?

Remember that the M1s are already in med school. The SMP students are not, and therefore have something to prove. That motivation difference alone is what drives the SMP students to basically hang with the M1s in exam scores. It wasn't easy (in fact far from it), but having the right mindset and a willingness to part ways with any poor study habits from undergrad will help any student who was admitted to this program succeed.

Fwiw, people can get bad grades in the SMP, but as I'm sure everyone's heard, continuing to do so at this level is a death sentence for med school admissions. So people, out of necessity, learn how to bounce back from any minor setbacks before they become major ones.
 
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Considering applying, do I have a chance of getting in with a 505, 3.1 cGPA, 3.2 sGPA with a 4.0 in my last 23 hours of advanced science?
 
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Anyone currently in the M.S. right now who could offer some guidance? I am interested in the program but wondering how doable it really is. You are being compared to the med students, right? How could the MS students compete against the Cincinnati med students, who (according to MSAR) have an average 3.83 GPA and 517 MCAT? Like are you guys actually getting good grades in the program? Lol. How many people in your class drop out or have bad grades?

Cmoney$$ great question! I appreciate your candidness and hope you are well :)

-Wondering how doable it is basically is a question every single person has to ask themselves before throwing 50k at a masters that will screw you if you fail....aka thats a question only you (cue the wise/annoying man on a mountain music) can answer friend.

-I understand that those stellar stats are intimidating but if you DO want to get into medical school and truly believe you will it WILL be hard wherever you go and IF this masters is a last legitimate shot at achieving that goal (ominous I know) then buckle up and prepare yourself.

-Dropping out / bad grades? I for one definitely bombed a test or two but I ended up with good grades / GPA much like all the now admitted alumni on the website.... IMHO the reason for this is that people who apply to this program already have willed themselves to not only apply but ensure that this WILL be the year they succeed and get in because -->there is no other way<--... so you simply refuse to fail and study / work together / grind / abuse caffeine / and above all don't give up on your aspirations...

-On the back end of that last statement, I can honestly say that any graduate from this program whether I personally know them or not has a willpower that if not legendary before the program began definitely was cultivated into one by the end. The alternative is to give up and that was never an option for anyone who graduated from the SMP... its "doable" because you make it so / do your absolute best to make it so

-A last nugget of wisdom from worldrenowned show Firefly:

"Life is too damn short for ifs and maybes."
-Captain Mal of the Serenity
 
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Cmoney$$ great question! I appreciate your candidness and hope you are well :)

-Wondering how doable it is basically is a question every single person has to ask themselves before throwing 50k at a masters that will screw you if you fail....aka thats a question only you (cue the wise/annoying man on a mountain music) can answer friend.

-I understand that those stellar stats are intimidating but if you DO want to get into medical school and truly believe you will it WILL be hard wherever you go and IF this masters is a last legitimate shot at achieving that goal (ominous I know) then buckle up and prepare yourself.

-Dropping out / bad grades? I for one definitely bombed a test or two but I ended up with good grades / GPA much like all the now admitted alumni on the website.... IMHO the reason for this is that people who apply to this program already have willed themselves to not only apply but ensure that this WILL be the year they succeed and get in because -->there is no other way work together / grind / abuse caffeine / and above all don't give up on your aspirations...

-On the back end of that last statement, I can honestly say that any graduate from this program whether I personally know them or not has a willpower that if not legendary before the program began definitely was cultivated into one by the end. The alternative is to give up and that was never an option for anyone who graduated from the SMP... its "doable" because you make it so / do your absolute best to make it so

-A last nugget of wisdom from worldrenowned show Firefly:

"Life is too damn short for ifs and maybes."
-Captain Mal of the Serenity

Thanks a lot for the detailed reply, this was very helpful.


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