Usuhs 2020 clinical psychology military-track

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Hello!! I have yet to find any forums regarding usuhs 2020 clinical psychology military-track program so I decided to create my own!! Please post here if you are thinking about applying or have already applied:)

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Hi!!! I was hoping I’d find a forum with other applicants! It’s actually my husband who’s applying, but I tend to be an obsessive googler so I know all the details on his application process lol. Are you a civilian? Which branch are you applying for? He’s a civilian hoping to land an Air Force spot.
 
Hi!!! I was hoping I’d find a forum with other applicants! It’s actually my husband who’s applying, but I tend to be an obsessive googler so I know all the details on his application process lol. Are you a civilian? Which branch are you applying for? He’s a civilian hoping to land an Air Force spot.
Hello!! Lol I google all the time too. I sent my application in pretty early. Im guessing that’s why no one is really talking about it yet. I’m in the Army already so I would like to stay Army :)
 
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hello! I should be applying this fall as well. I'm working on my application now. I'm in the Air Force and would like to stay AF. lol. Anyone know how many people got selected for the military track for AF?
 
IIRC, there was a post on SDN about how the military was shifting to using civilian contractors, away from military docs. You guys might want to look that up, and consider if that would affect your plans.
 
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where did you find that article? the school is currently still accepting military applications for this upcoming school year.
 
Hello!! Lol I google all the time too. I sent my application in pretty early. Im guessing that’s why no one is really talking about it yet. I’m in the Army already so I would like to stay Army :)
are you enlisted in the Army? what information have you found out about the selection process?
 
where did you find that article? the school is currently still accepting military applications for this upcoming school year.



I don’t think they’re doing away with military medical people, I just think that some people are afraid of the cuts affecting stuff. I’m not a military person, so I don’t really know much about any of this. I just thought t was something one should know and use to talk to others more in the know.
 
hello! I should be applying this fall as well. I'm working on my application now. I'm in the Air Force and would like to stay AF. lol. Anyone know how many people got selected for the military track for AF?
We were told there would be three AF spots available.

Also I don’t think going to contractors applies much here. They’d have to dissolve the degree program and they haven’t done that, so each branch will have at least a small handful of officers as psychologists until they complete their seven year commitment.
 
Did any of you take the psychology gre subject test? My husband doesn’t have much research experience beyond the classes he took in undergrad/grad school so he took it in September hoping to boost his application.
 
We were told there would be three AF spots available.

Also I don’t think going to contractors applies much here. They’d have to dissolve the degree program and they haven’t done that, so each branch will have at least a small handful of officers as psychologists until they complete their seven year commitment.
Might be placing too much trust in the idea of stability in an inherently unstable system. Would it make sense to use a psychologist in a non-psychologist role? No. Could it happen if your husband signs up for a seven year commitment and billets are cut? You bet. It's called "needs of the Army, Air Force, Navy." Plus, a medical officer is an officer first, psychologist second.

There are big changes occurring within the Armed Forces Medical Departments. As of FY 2020, medical centers will fall under the Defense Health Agency (DHA). There are no longer distinct medical departments, as things are becoming more "purple". There are a lot of medical admin things that will occur, which will likely be above your pay grade as students. However, these changes will affect you/your significant others once they become licensed psychologists and are out of student status. Definitely worthwhile asking your interviewers about the outlook of .mil psych with DHA implementation. Might be "meet the old boss, same as the new boss" type deal. Nobody really knows at this point.
 
Did any of you take the psychology gre subject test? My husband doesn’t have much research experience beyond the classes he took in undergrad/grad school so he took it in September hoping to boost his application.
Regardless of the program, the subject test isn't going to make up for a lack of research experience.
 
Might be placing too much trust in the idea of stability in an inherently unstable system. Would it make sense to use a psychologist in a non-psychologist role? No. Could it happen if your husband signs up for a seven year commitment and billets are cut? You bet. It's called "needs of the Army, Air Force, Navy." Plus, a medical officer is an officer first, psychologist second.

There are big changes occurring within the Armed Forces Medical Departments. As of FY 2020, medical centers will fall under the Defense Health Agency (DHA). There are no longer distinct medical departments, as things are becoming more "purple". There are a lot of medical admin things that will occur, which will likely be above your pay grade as students. However, these changes will affect you/your significant others once they become licensed psychologists and are out of student status. Definitely worthwhile asking your interviewers about the outlook of .mil psych with DHA implementation. Might be "meet the old boss, same as the new boss" type deal. Nobody really knows at this point.

Lots of things can be done with a PhD in psychology outside of the military. The program is still absolutely worth applying for.
 
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Lots of things can be done with a PhD in psychology outside of the military. The program is still absolutely worth applying for.
...not really the point of mine or PsyDr's replies, but okay. An 11 year commitment is a heck of a long time to commit to if the future of mil med is uncertain. Might be worthwhile to check out the military medicine forums.
 
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...not really the point of mine or PsyDr's replies, but okay. An 11 year commitment is a heck of a long time to commit to if the future of mil med is uncertain. Might be worthwhile to check out the military medicine forums.
Yeah I know, it’s my point. We’re not at all worried about it. You still come out of it a licensed clinical psychologist.
 
This thread has gotten way off topic, can we get back on track? For those applying, I see so far all of you are currently military. Are you currently doing mental health jobs or will this be a switch for you?
 
what is your source for the 3 AF spots available? is that for the upcoming 2020? That would be awesome.

I currently am in Mental Health. I'm hoping the DHA switch would be a benefit to us. We are always low manned for psychologists and with the Air Force increasing suicide rates, they are analyzing different options to help decrease it. That would be not just working in traditional MH clinics but working in an imbedded position for our critically manned or high suicide rate professions. I appreciate the big picture feedback though. Its good to look at all the possibilities. The application process is daunting so we need to be fully aware of any upcoming changes.

I'm not sure if it is worth for me to take the GRE again. Ive taken it 3 times and have gotten the same score. it is pretty low but I finished my Masters and hoping that will make me more competitive.

What are some ways you are all making your application stronger?
 
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what is your source for the 3 AF spots available? is that for the upcoming 2020? That would be awesome.

I currently am in Mental Health. I'm hoping the DHA switch would be a benefit to us. We are always low manned for psychologists and with the Air Force increasing suicide rates, they are analyzing different options to help decrease it. That would be not just working in traditional MH clinics but working in an imbedded position for our critically manned or high suicide rate professions. I appreciate the big picture feedback though. Its good to look at all the possibilities. The application process is daunting so we need to be fully aware of any upcoming changes.

I'm not sure if it is worth for me to take the GRE again. Ive taken it 3 times and have gotten the same score. it is pretty low but I finished my Masters and hoping that will make me more competitive.

What are some ways you are all making your application stronger?
We heard that from the AF student representative. This was back earlier in the year though, so there’s a chance he meant the 2019 incoming class would be 3 AF, not necessarily the 2020 incoming, but I’m hoping for the best. What was your GRE score? It helps that they’re whole-person minded so it might not hurt you as much as you think.
 
hello! I should be applying this fall as well. I'm working on my application now. I'm in the Air Force and would like to stay AF. lol. Anyone know how many people got selected for the military track for AF?

Last time I talked to one of the student representatives there I was told on average two get selected for Air Force, two for Navy, and two-three for Army.
 
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IIRC, there was a post on SDN about how the military was shifting to using civilian contractors, away from military docs. You guys might want to look that up, and consider if that would affect your plans.
I really appreciate this information! But might be better placed in another forum. Thank you :)
 
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This thread has gotten way off topic, can we get back on track? For those applying, I see so far all of you are currently military. Are you currently doing mental health jobs or will this be a switch for you?

On the civilian side I am a therapist and in the Army I am a Religious Affairs Specialist/Chaplain Assistant. Right now I'm on active orders so my Chaplain and I are focusing heavily on the morale and well being of our soldiers. Although I really love this job, I would like to take the things I've learned and apply them as a clinical psychologist.

One way to strengthen your application is to make sure you have strong letters of recommendation.
 
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I plan to apply. I wonder if AF is more competitive to get into than the other branches...

Also, in looking at the responses on this thread, are most applicants non-traditional students (ie. finished undergrad, joined the workforce, and are now returning to school)?
 
I plan to apply. I wonder if AF is more competitive to get into than the other branches...

Also, in looking at the responses on this thread, are most applicants non-traditional students (ie. finished undergrad, joined the workforce, and are now returning to school)?
That’s an interesting question. I haven’t been able to find any demographic info about the psychology department specifically, but I did see the general matriculation sheet for the class of 2019 says only 26 out of 171 graduates had previously gotten a masters. That makes me think the majority are coming straight out of undergrad and haven’t yet entered the workforce given you can’t do too much with just a bachelors in psychology. But this thread is trending more towards the opposite. I wish they did department specific matriculation fact sheets. My husband (who’s the one applying) has his masters and 4 years clinical experience.
 
That’s an interesting question. I haven’t been able to find any demographic info about the psychology department specifically, but I did see the general matriculation sheet for the class of 2019 says only 26 out of 171 graduates had previously gotten a masters. That makes me think the majority are coming straight out of undergrad and haven’t yet entered the workforce given you can’t do too much with just a bachelors in psychology. But this thread is trending more towards the opposite. I wish they did department specific matriculation fact sheets. My husband (who’s the one applying) has his masters and 4 years clinical experience.
It's pretty typical for students to enter clinical psych doctoral programs with just bachelor's degrees, but I wouldn't say that they "haven't entered the workforce" yet. Many take one or more gap years working as research assistants or coordinators, adding to their research experience from undergrad, which emphasizes the necessity of research experience in admissions.
 
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It's pretty typical for students to enter clinical psych doctoral programs with just bachelor's degrees, but I wouldn't say that they "haven't entered the workforce" yet. Many take one or more gap years working as research assistants or coordinators, adding to their research experience from undergrad, which emphasizes the necessity of research experience in admissions.

I think there's a clear difference between someone who's completed a masters and has work experience outside of school than one who's coming directly out of undergrad, but perhaps I could have worded that differently. Either way, it's interesting that the responses on this thread are from people who aren't coming directly from undergrad. Maybe most undergrads don't know about this site (and don't know how to google lol)?
 
That’s an interesting question. I haven’t been able to find any demographic info about the psychology department specifically, but I did see the general matriculation sheet for the class of 2019 says only 26 out of 171 graduates had previously gotten a masters. That makes me think the majority are coming straight out of undergrad and haven’t yet entered the workforce given you can’t do too much with just a bachelors in psychology. But this thread is trending more towards the opposite. I wish they did department specific matriculation fact sheets. My husband (who’s the one applying) has his masters and 4 years clinical experience.

You mentioned that your husband is a civilian. Can I ask why he wants to enter the military (if he's already worked in clinical psych as a civilian for 4 years)? Just seems like a drastic change.
 
I think there's a clear difference between someone who's completed a masters and has work experience outside of school than one who's coming directly out of undergrad, but perhaps I could have worded that differently. Either way, it's interesting that the responses on this thread are from people who aren't coming directly from undergrad. Maybe most undergrads don't know about this site (and don't know how to google lol)?
You're missing my point, which is about the primacy of research experience. Someone who gets into a fully-funded PhD program in clinical psych straight out of undergrad likely has a very impressive CV with extensive research, likely with several posters and possibly some pubs, which is the most important factor of admission.

Yes, having a licensable master's degree and clinical experience can help, but it only goes so far and leads to diminishing returns. This is why most admitted students across clinical programs don't have master's degrees and why a significant number of applicants get in directly from undergrad without any clinical experience or work outside of clinical research. The best use of prior clinical experience is not that one provided clinical services themselves, but rather in how they contribute to one's research interests and experience.
 
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I plan to apply. I wonder if AF is more competitive to get into than the other branches...

Also, in looking at the responses on this thread, are most applicants non-traditional students (ie. finished undergrad, joined the workforce, and are now returning to school)?
I don't see why any branch would be more competitive than another at USUHS. Most applicants will be non-traditional students. The three USUHS students (now psychologists) from my Army cohort had anywhere between 3 and 14 years of military experience as officers prior to USUHS. They all took time "off" from school to work in the Army prior to applying. Generally, serious applicants will be those who have: a military background, very strong research skills/experiences, and strong clinical experiences. GRE/Psych GRE are used in the same way that other schools use them (i.e. to weed out applicants). I've never encountered a USUHS grad who came directly from undergrad or a direct accession (civilian->USUHS) though I've been told it's happened before.
 
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You mentioned that your husband is a civilian. Can I ask why he wants to enter the military (if he's already worked in clinical psych as a civilian for 4 years)? Just seems like a drastic change.
It’s not as drastic as it sounds. He and I both come from Air Force families. Right now he’s working with kids which isn’t his favorite, but has plenty of experience with adults and he’s interested in working with and serving military men and women as a specific demographic given our family histories. Looking into it more he realized he can best do that by getting a PhD, which lead him to usuhs.
 
I don't see why any branch would be more competitive than another at USUHS. Most applicants will be non-traditional students. The three USUHS students (now psychologists) from my Army cohort had anywhere between 3 and 14 years of military experience as officers prior to USUHS. They all took time "off" from school to work in the Army prior to applying. Generally, serious applicants will be those who have: a military background, very strong research skills/experiences, and strong clinical experiences. GRE/Psych GRE are used in the same way that other schools use them (i.e. to weed out applicants). I've never encountered a USUHS grad who came directly from undergrad or a direct accession (civilian->USUHS) though I've been told it's happened before.

I meant competitive in the sense that a lot of people seem to go for AF, so there might be more applicants.

That's a little worrisome that in your experience people accepted into USUHS all have military backgrounds. I know anecdotal accounts aren't generalizable, but it does make me a little concerned for my own chances.
 
It’s not as drastic as it sounds. He and I both come from Air Force families. Right now he’s working with kids which isn’t his favorite, but has plenty of experience with adults and he’s interested in working with and serving military men and women as a specific demographic given our family histories. Looking into it more he realized he can best do that by getting a PhD, which lead him to usuhs.

That makes perfect sense! I want to go into military psychology because my father is a vet. I'm sure most people go the USUHS route either due to being in the military themselves or having a loved one serve.
 
I meant competitive in the sense that a lot of people seem to go for AF, so there might be more applicants.

That's a little worrisome that in your experience people accepted into USUHS all have military backgrounds. I know anecdotal accounts aren't generalizable, but it does make me a little concerned for my own chances.
61% of the 2019 graduating class had no military background before applying, so the stats are actually in your favor. 14% were academy graduates, 9% were rotc, 7% were officers, 6% were enlisted, 2% had previously been officers, and 1% were reservists.
 
61% of the 2019 graduating class had no military background before applying, so the stats are actually in your favor. 14% were academy graduates, 9% were rotc, 7% were officers, 6% were enlisted, 2% had previously been officers, and 1% were reservists.
Do you have a source? Those stats seem off and probably speak to the entirety of USUHS medical students... not the Ph.D. program.
 
Do you have a source? Those stats seem off and probably speak to the entirety of USUHS medical students... not the Ph.D. program.
My source is the usuhs website. And yes it’s based on their entire 2019 graduating class. They don’t issue department specific stats.
 
The cohort that you see in the medical school statistics do not include MPS students. While MPS is located within the school of medicine, the department has its own admissions and operations. Unfortunately, I do not have much more specific insight to offer with regard to a typical incoming class other than the vaguely unhelpful comment that the civilian track applicants have a higher bar to clear with regard to quality and amount of research experience than do military track applicants, simply because the civilian track has a greater emphasis on research activity.

For what it's worth, most of the military students that I knew had applied as civilians to the military track without prior service, so it depends on who you ask.
 
I plan to apply. I wonder if AF is more competitive to get into than the other branches...

Also, in looking at the responses on this thread, are most applicants non-traditional students (ie. finished undergrad, joined the workforce, and are now returning to school)?

I just finished my masters this year.
 
Does anyone know how many applicants were selected for each branch last year? I searched the website and the information isn't available that I can see. What does any one know about HPSP? I'm looking for an additional option to possible separate and go to school full time. I'm open to ideas and back up plans. Thank you!
 
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Just got confirmation that USUHS got my completed application. Now we play the waiting game. Anyone else applied?
 
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I applied and received confirmation that my app was complete. Good luck to everyone!
 
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Good luck everyone! Invitations for interviews should go out around the end of January, correct? And no news is bad news?
 
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Good luck everyone! Invitations for interviews should go out around the end of January, correct? And no news is bad news?
USUHS's interview notification deadline this year is January 17.
 
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I don't see why any branch would be more competitive than another at USUHS. Most applicants will be non-traditional students. The three USUHS students (now psychologists) from my Army cohort had anywhere between 3 and 14 years of military experience as officers prior to USUHS. They all took time "off" from school to work in the Army prior to applying. Generally, serious applicants will be those who have: a military background, very strong research skills/experiences, and strong clinical experiences. GRE/Psych GRE are used in the same way that other schools use them (i.e. to weed out applicants). I've never encountered a USUHS grad who came directly from undergrad or a direct accession (civilian->USUHS) though I've been told it's happened before.

my, my, how things have changed..... and by things I mean the quality of selection/of this program itself has deteriorated dramatically over the yrs

i still keep in touch with current students and recent grads. in most recent classes, i heard the majority of applicants being selected now are babies with zero life experience or perspectives, which is pretty unbelievable. there’s apparently several rotc grads with zero life & research experience for Army that are barely 22 by the time they get in. there’s also been AF students straight from the academy, not really competitive whatsoever in their research, clinical skills or experiences prior to getting in. i was told a there was a newer student selected this yr who already had a phd(?) and overshared she got in by luck, basically bragging USUH was the only place she applied to and she didn’t really want to be a psychologist lol (btw, why any department would give someone else their 2nd phd is.... telling).

as for the civies, not too familiar with the civilian process, but judging from the grads selected, clearly the program is still invested in only choosing white, privileged young chicks as future researchers. surprise, anyone? outside of the recent weird pool of students being selected for mil psych though, the university and SoM itself is having serious DOD budget cuts. i read somewhere in sept it may be completely shut down over the next 6yrs.

for those considering applying or already applied: the dept itself has had crazy changes that have been a literal nightmare for mil psych students. A new Army faculty is treating students like straight up PVTs, is a total condescending [edited] and a self righteous O5. he’s made a [edited] of pointless reqs that mil psych students find pointless. lastly, i’d be doing a disservice if i didn’t give a warning to female applicants: you aren’t valued at all, your male ‘cohortmates’ wont be coming to your defense about issues, and the faculty won’t [edited] to advocate for you when [edited] hits the fan. i was personally subject to a particular faculty member known for treating female students like complete [edited] and being super disrespectful (EO for the course, amirite)

anyways, enough venting, all that to say is they do an excellent job of creating miserable mil psychs who 1) end up HATING their careers after their first billets and 2) are left with 0 competitive skills for the civ world after paying back service obligations. here i am wishing i could go back in time.

choose wisely.

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I’m sorry you had a bad experience but this post does not help them at all.

All who are applying good luck.

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I don’t think they’re doing away with military medical people, I just think that some people are afraid of the cuts affecting stuff. I’m not a military person, so I don’t really know much about any of this. I just thought t was something one should know and use to talk to others more in the know.

I really appreciate this information! But might be better placed in another forum. Thank you :)

Just to clarify for anyone who is worried about this, for right now, this has been put on pause. When it went before Congress, they took a look at it and said, wait a minute, this doesn't seem right. The number of positions that will be cut will be significantly lower than what is in that article at the most. And currently the plan for eliminating the vast majority of the billets is to simply not fill billets when people leave them. They aren't going to be kicking people out. Things are shifting for sure, but the military is not looking to decrease mental health access as far as I've seen. If there are application spots, that means they have the funding.
 
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The first time applying to this school this year, and this will be my 3rd-ish round of applying to Doctorate Programs. I have 2 sisters in the military, but, personally, I have no experience in the military. I have a Master's Degree in Clinical Psychology, and I have a year of postgrad research experience. Below Average GRE Quant, and Above Average GRE Verbal, Average GRE Writing. My only real "specialty" is that I have 2 and a half years of crisis service experience, working as a crisis clinician and as a crisis hotline worker. I would like to work with active military personnel and veterans that have non-suicidal self-injury and thoughts of self-harm. At this point, if I do not get into a program, I may just focus my efforts on counseling, or choose a new career path. Getting even an interview for a doctorate program is difficult, at least for me. I have never had more than 2 at a time, despite applying to 10+ places. Anyways, I do wish everyone here luck.
 
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