2024-2025 Duke

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phantasmo said:
tf is going on in the water at duke?

8 nsgy, 5 plastics, 11 ortho, 4 ent, 7 ophtho, 3 derm

im assuming that it's a mix of the 1 year preclinical, true p/f, and admissions making it attractive w those etc to steal the sub-harvards? just collect the best X factor'd applicants since those will carry over to matching (and sacrifice the 1-3 points on mcat median). genius strat

anyone got a complete match list? (redact the names if you need to)
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this is nuts wtf😭😭😭
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phantasmo said:
tf is going on in the water at duke?

8 nsgy, 5 plastics, 11 ortho, 4 ent, 7 ophtho, 3 derm

im assuming that it's a mix of the 1 year preclinical, true p/f, and admissions making it attractive w those etc to steal the sub-harvards? just collect the best X factor'd applicants since those will carry over to matching (and sacrifice the 1-3 points on mcat median). genius strat

anyone got a complete match list? (redact the names if you need to)
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newkungfukenny said:
this is nuts wtf😭😭😭
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Almost 1/12th of the class is nsgy?? 💀💀
 
Yeah, Duke went CRAZY matching, actually nuts.
 
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phantasmo said:
@toastedbutter genuinely curious can you give insight. would be cool as well once match list for it comes out to see how many are top academic.

8 is stupid mode. how many of those are "normal" nsg applicants vs insanely hooked X factor / mdphd / etc
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Bro the "normal" NSGY applicant is MD/PHD (not really but might as well), so many NSGY applicants go MSTP route because the number of publications they need to be competitive it just makes sense. Not to mention going to med school for free iirc. I think "x" factor is not as much a thing unless you happened to do something ground breaking while in med school. Its more like who did your LOR and how strong a LOR it was. idk anything about duke NSGY department, thats not really a field of interest for me, but if they have some world renown ppl in the department who give strong letters, thats could be a factor.
 
phantasmo said:
to add. someone here should really find harvard/ucsf match lists. would be great to see how they compare. especially ucsf. I remember seeing 2023 and a ton of surg prelims there as well as low tier programs. they are slipping and now hiding their 2024/25 match lists as a result (i could be wrong, but it's unproveable until a match list is posted)

imo and toasted can prob give insight. duke is top 3 rn (harvard/stanford/duke). how much of this is 1 year preclinical (if any current students can discuss vs the combination of weather and a yale-like curriculum grabbing high tier applicants)

also would be interesting to really dig deep into if this is a flux or not towards more competitive, non replaceable specialties.
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i dont think "top X" really matters with schools in this tier, I think QoL matters more. That said, I think Duke does an exceptional job in that regard, even vs other top schools. Another school similar to duke in this regard is Vandy (low(er) cost of living, decent weather that's better than midwest and northeast, good fin aid, pass fail everything, etc), and a study found Vandy matched the highest number of nsgy applicants. So maybe this is a QoL thing over everything else
 
phantasmo said:
@toastedbutter genuinely curious can you give insight. would be cool as well once match list for it comes out to see how many are top academic.
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Feel free to also DM if you have match list Qs (this year's list will also be posted at 2nd look). However I will say that it's pretty much the norm for ppl to match top academic if that's what they want. In most years, Duke is always the #1 match spot, followed by MGH/BWH, one of the top West coast programs (last year was Stanford, this year is UCSF), and then usually Penn/Washu/Columbia/Northwestern (location preference driven)

At least for last year's list, I don't recall seeing anyone only get a 1 year prelim spot with no follow up residency listed.
 
phantasmo said:
@toastedbutter genuinely curious can you give insight. would be cool as well once match list for it comes out to see how many are top academic.

8 is stupid mode. how many of those are "normal" nsg applicants vs insanely hooked X factor / mdphd / etc
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We don’t have the exact match list with names yet, only access to the same thing that you guys saw on the website. I am not aware of all the details of our current M4 class. As you can imagine, it’s hard to connect with students who are several years above you. All I can say is, Duke has historically matched really well. The trends you’re seeing with this class could just be reflection of more students being interested in surgery. The match next year could be equally lopsided appearing for IM or PMNR.

There’s nothing special in the water here lol. All the things you guys have already discussed that make the program here a phenomenal choice apply, but I would be lying if I said a super motivated student who happens to be at Duke couldn’t use resources at a different school and come out with a good outcome. I think lack of competitiveness, really supportive faculty, and an institution with home residency programs that are extremely reputable across the board sets our students up very well. I would say that that I would not be surprised if my current class, M1 2028, had a similar looking match in a few years because we have several dozen students interested in “competitive” specialties. But more than that, everyone in my class is motivated, a good person to be around, and spoiled with an abundance of resources that will get them to where they want to be.

Feel free to DM with questions, but keep in mind I don’t have any special insider info.
 
phantasmo said:
that adds up to me. duke over hopkins because of weather/location or what else
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Good med students will get where they need to and want to be. Choosing between med schools largely comes down to what you think will help you be the best version of yourself + your maximum potential when you’re there. Obviously curricular things, environment and vibes are a big part of that which Duke does an amazing job of. But other more personal factors matter a lot too.
 
This may be a stupid question- but to what degree is Duke’s match list self-selection, with more students being interested in competitive surgical specialities? I just looked at Yale’s match list and it appears they had 3 ortho and 2 neuro? Given Yale is an equally prestigious institution their students also shouldn’t have a hard time matching to their specialty or program of choice right?
 
TIN25 said:
This may be a stupid question- but to what degree is Duke’s match list self-selection, with more students being interested in competitive surgical specialities? I just looked at Yale’s match list and it appears they had 3 ortho and 2 neuro? Given Yale is an equally prestigious institution their students also shouldn’t have a hard time matching to their specialty or program of choice right?
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Thats because alot of people only look at the competitive specialties, but if you wanted to match a less competitive specialty but at Yale, UCSF, Harvard...etc you still have to be extremely competitive. Also, you have to think most of the competitive stuff are surgical subspecialties: NSGY, Ortho, ENT, PRS..the exception is Derm. So looking at your example of Yale, sure they only had 3 ortho, and 2 NSGY but how many of their other specialties matched into prestigious institutions, i'd bet most of them did.
 
xDNA said:
Thats because alot of people only look at the competitive specialties, but if you wanted to match a less competitive specialty but at Yale, UCSF, Harvard...etc you still have to be extremely competitive. Also, you have to think most of the competitive stuff are surgical subspecialties: NSGY, Ortho, ENT, PRS..the exception is Derm. So looking at your example of Yale, sure they only had 3 ortho, and 2 NSGY but how many of their other specialties matched into prestigious institutions, i'd bet most of them did.
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Ah okay, how do we go about interpreting match lists then? I was going off the prior convo where the focus was on nsgy, ortho, plastics etc… but I’m guessing this may be a flawed approach?
 
phantasmo said:
depends what specialty for the first point.

if you're from t20 and want to make it to academic high tier IM, legit just get AOA (not even tbh, just breathe in the right direction).

if you're from t100. you need AOA/GHHS, high step2, and great connections/hooks like urm/military. and even then, you might slip through the cracks.

it's no coincidence the first column here is school score. i have to study the weights later but I remember in their formula, school score is quite high.
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Do they give all kids from T-20’s the same score or do they delinate between schools?
 
Anyone have this year’s match list (broken down by school)?

Given that Duke has very limited distinction among its students (all P/F, no AOA, no rank, etc), I’m curious to see how it compares to other top schools - especially since this is only the 2nd match with step 1 p/f
 
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Does anyone know the number of students in the accepted or committed student group chat?
 
phantasmo said:
tf is going on in the water at duke?

8 nsgy, 5 plastics, 11 ortho, 4 ent, 7 ophtho, 3 derm

im assuming that it's a mix of the 1 year preclinical, true p/f, and admissions making it attractive w those etc to steal the sub-harvards? just collect the best X factor'd applicants since those will carry over to matching (and sacrifice the 1-3 points on mcat median). genius strat

anyone got a complete match list? (redact the names if you need to)
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looking at last years match list it looks pretty similar. 11 gen surg, 11 ortho, 5 nsgy, etc. duke been in its bag
 
Has anyone heard if they are in consideration of a merit scholarship? I vaguely remember them saying they would notify if you were in consideration but am not sure.
 
applesarecool said:
Has anyone heard if they are in consideration of a merit scholarship? I vaguely remember them saying they would notify if you were in consideration but am not sure.
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The wording of the email was weird. They did say they would let you know if you are in consideration but I think it would be very odd for a school to say you're in consideration for the scholarship and then not give you the scholarship when everyone is automatically considered to begin with. I think they just meant that they will tell you if you get a merit scholarship. I think we have to hang tight for another week or two until they start sending them out.
 
If you already got financial aid and it showed 0 for merit does that mean you're not in the running?
 
It sounded like there were more MSTP acceptances planning to commit than the usual MSTP class size at the second look, so I suspect nil to low. I hope I'm wrong!
 
What makes you say that? Did you observe this from speaking with accepted students during second look?
 
What's the vibe for regular MD? Do most people seem committed to Duke?
 
any updates regarding merit aid? i am wondering if they plan to let us know if it’s been decided we won’t receive a scholarship. i imagine it’ll strongly affect a lot of people’s school decisions and it’s getting close to april 30…
 
Brownies_15 said:
There was ZERO mention of this at Duke's SLW and no students have expressed concern over this.

What other schools? I've only heard speculation about hopkins but it is largely rumored
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Second this. It seems like the students love having P/F clerkships, and the school is extremely receptive to student feedback.
 
miminthesky1012 said:
was just coming to ask this… also anyone know when WL movement started in previous years?
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waitlist movement could start today (it started 5/2 and 5/3 ish the last few years) Both the GroupMe and FB group are still fairly overenrolled but it’s hard to tell because there are current students and possible stragglers. I asked a counselor at Duke about WL movement last week and they said they thought the waitlist would move based on the numbers they had at the time but only a small amount “way less than 10 people” (and things may have drastically changed since I asked them) TLDR it’s not looking great but it’s not impossible
 
belugaa said:
waitlist movement could start today (it started 5/2 and 5/3 ish the last few years) Both the GroupMe and FB group are still fairly overenrolled but it’s hard to tell because there are current students and possible stragglers. I asked a counselor at Duke about WL movement last week and they said they thought the waitlist would move based on the numbers they had at the time but only a small amount “way less than 10 people” (and things may have drastically changed since I asked them) TLDR it’s not looking great but it’s not impossible
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I’m in the GroupMe sent by current Duke students and several folks have left it in the past few days! It has ~150 people but there are several current students in this chat as well
 
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