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Chaostrodon said:
Those were two seperate statements , nothing to do with each other






ok , so first off all , having someone in your wolfreads HARDLY counts as bussing . She wasnt pushing the people in her wolfreads or even voting for them. There was barely any impact of having those people in her wolfreads so I dont see how thats alignment indicative of those people in any way

LIS seemingly thinks otherwise , He said "I wouldnt expect her to put wolf in her wolfreads" which not only doesnt make any sense to me in general , also sounds made up bc of the fact that SHE VOTED FOR A WOLF THE PREVIOUS DAY , I dont get why someone who has no qualms about voting for her teammate would for some reason avoid putting her teammates in her wolfreads in someone else's PMs. HER VOTE FOR ALLEY HAD A LOT MORE IMPACT THAN PUTTING SOMEONE IN HER WOLFREADS.

Secondly , he said that bc she said she was gonna have a closer look at me , he was "worried". How is Cyndia saying that alignment indicative in any way?
Cyndia doesnt bus(which would be false , if he had bothered to check the votes) , so we should be worried about the people in her neutral???
Cyndia saying that about me was simply reflective of the general perception of me in here , most people have me in their neutrals so as a wolf faking a readlist it very obviously makes sense that she would put me in her readlist.

The fact that he concluded that the people in her wolfreads are towny and that I am scummy for appearing in her neutrals based on a half-baked argument that Cyndia doesnt bus is WORRYING . If he isnt being dishonest , he is trying to make evidence fit to his reads which is like , a very noob mistake






Didnt you think so when you said her tone sounds towny? Didnt inconsistent reads and lowposting bother you then?
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This is such a twisted misrepresentation of what I said, and Chaos is so CONSISTENTLY misrepresenting what I said, even after having it explained ...

... that I'm just not going to bother responding to Chaos anymore, because it's obvious Chaos has no interest in trying to understand what I was saying, and is so attached to his misinterpretation, that I don't see the point.
 
LetItSnow said:
(1) I would expect Cyndia to probs not put an actual wolf on her wolf list. I don't recall her being a hard-busser like some jerk named LIS.

(2) I would expect her to "look closely" at another wolf, though, which makes me worry about Chaos. Less so Cray.

Might be time to vote Chaos to settle the question.
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Here is the post in question

Chaostrodon said:
Those were two seperate statements , nothing to do with each other






ok , so first off all , having someone in your wolfreads HARDLY counts as bussing . She wasnt pushing the people in her wolfreads or even voting for them. There was barely any impact of having those people in her wolfreads so I dont see how thats alignment indicative of those people in any way

LIS seemingly thinks otherwise , He said "I wouldnt expect her to put wolf in her wolfreads" which not only doesnt make any sense to me in general , also sounds made up bc of the fact that SHE VOTED FOR A WOLF THE PREVIOUS DAY , I dont get why someone who has no qualms about voting for her teammate would for some reason avoid putting her teammates in her wolfreads in someone else's PMs. HER VOTE FOR ALLEY HAD A LOT MORE IMPACT THAN PUTTING SOMEONE IN HER WOLFREADS.

Secondly , he said that bc she said she was gonna have a closer look at me , he was "worried". How is Cyndia saying that alignment indicative in any way?
Cyndia doesnt bus(which would be false , if he had bothered to check the votes) , so we should be worried about the people in her neutral???
Cyndia saying that about me was simply reflective of the general perception of me in here , most people have me in their neutrals so as a wolf faking a readlist it very obviously makes sense that she would put me in her readlist.

The fact that he concluded that the people in her wolfreads are towny and that I am scummy for appearing in her neutrals based on a half-baked argument that Cyndia doesnt bus is WORRYING . If he isnt being dishonest , he is trying to make evidence fit to his reads which is like , a very noob mistake






Didnt you think so when you said her tone sounds towny? Didnt inconsistent reads and lowposting bother you then?
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Here is the "twisted misintrepretation" Ive made of it , just in case anyone wanted to look through
 
Lawpy said:
I was thinking in context of her Cyndias interactions which was why i removed her out of my POE. I think you're criticizing me for this when i didn't even vote for her
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For reading town, throwing shade, then not voting there? Seems a reasonable criticism
 
Animal Midwife said:
Okay, give me something spicer to look at. I've heard barely any original thoughts from you in the last two cycles.

I mean, it is. We know she's village now so I don't see the merit of discussing her night actions alone versus her votes/post or something else that be interfered with wolves directly. How will discussing her night actions lead to anything but saying it was a misyeet?
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Perhaps we'll uncover some mechanics behind why the gif restriction didn't happen those nights and it'll be a clue we need. Or we'll discover she was redirected or something. The thing about discoveries is you don't always know what you'll find unless you go looking.

This is one reason why sometimes I think the way you inhibit discussion has a negative effect on the game, from an enjoyment as well as solving perspective.
 
If it isn't village, it must die.

#### contingency yeet Mayo ####

I have no way of knowing if his win condition is exclusive or not, and I don't want to find out. I doubt we're near parity and I don't see it as a waste of a lynch to rid us of the unknown. I don't know what happens when he powers up from dropping the quotes or whatever. His tone has been different, and I attribute it to his 3P-ness. His role isn't so town that he has seemed town to me. I don't feel that he's been super helpful in wolf hunting - maybe because he doesn't have to be beyond trying not to get yeeted. Well it ends here as far as I'm concerned.
 
Crayola227 said:
If it isn't village, it must die.

#### contingency yeet Mayo ####

I have no way of knowing if his win condition is exclusive or not, and I don't want to find out. I doubt we're near parity and I don't see it as a waste of a lynch to rid us of the unknown. I don't know what happens when he powers up from dropping the quotes or whatever. His tone has been different, and I attribute it to his 3P-ness. His role isn't so town that he has seemed town to me. I don't feel that he's been super helpful in wolf hunting - maybe because he doesn't have to be beyond trying not to get yeeted. Well it ends here as far as I'm concerned.
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I would much prefer to yeet a wolf than a neutral 3rd party if I can help it.

But you all know I can’t help but point out that is a 3rd party on a group we’ve yet to catch a wolf.
 
Also, full disclosure I’m flying to Vegas this morning. Obviously I won’t be around through the flight and I’ll check in when I’m in Vegas but unfortunately my reads from this point on are going to be tone based. Not going to spend time on my trip wading through the last 115 pages.
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samac said:
I would much prefer to yeet a wolf than a neutral 3rd party if I can help it.

But you all know I can’t help but point out that is a 3rd party on a group we’ve yet to catch a wolf.
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Stop calling 3P neutral like that means they are harmless. May as well call them by their other name, chaos. We don't know if he has a win condition, and if he does, if achieving it means everyone loses automatically, or if he can only win with wolves, or either side. Impossible to tell so far.

The quote dropping is weird and likely related to his being 3P.
 
Mayo did the most posting and contributing when he was under fire, and now it makes sense. Let him earn his keep.

If he doesn't want to wolf hunt hard, we should just be rid of him rather than risk he wins and we all lose, because that's a real possibility.

And I don't trust the wolves to be any smarter than all these 3P loving villagers and take him out before his role can ruin the game for all.

Village should never trust wolves to look out for village, even if wolves are looking out for themselves.
 
Crayola227 said:
Stop calling 3P neutral like that means they are harmless. May as well call them by their other name, chaos. We don't know if he has a win condition, and if he does, if achieving it means everyone loses automatically, or if he can only win with wolves, or either side. Impossible to tell so far.

The quote dropping is weird and likely related to his being 3P.
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I would almost put money on mayo just being weird.
This is the first time I haven’t read him completely correctly and his game play has seemed pro village.
He went for Zenge and Cyndia.
Crayola227 said:
Mayo did the most posting and contributing when he was under fire, and now it makes sense. Let him earn his keep.

If he doesn't want to wolf hunt hard, we should just be rid of him rather than risk he wins and we all lose, because that's a real possibility.

And I don't trust the wolves to be any smarter than all these 3P loving villagers and take him out before his role can ruin the game for all.

Village should never trust wolves to look out for village, even if wolves are looking out for themselves.
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I guess we’ll see what the wolves do tonight.
 
samac said:
I would almost put money on mayo just being weird.
This is the first time I haven’t read him completely correctly and his game play has seemed pro village.
He went for Zenge and Cyndia.

I guess we’ll see what the wolves do tonight.
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Sometimes a 3P can't be killed by NK or by a vote, Sometimes only one specific way will kill them. Anything is possible.

A lot of neutrals will play pro-village because it's easier to evade death by village that way, and evade the wolves just looking like another villager. Don't mistake that for not having an exclusive wincon. I've seen it that way, hell, I won as chaos that way before, iirc.

I'm going to try not to harp on this. You guys can do what you're going to do, and if you want to risk the whole game trusting Mayo, you can, but don't try to argue the logic of it.

All you know is he isn't village. That should be enough. It's sad when a truly harmless true neutral that was playing pro-village gets yeeted, except it isn't because there's no way to know until their wincon is mod confirmed.
 
This is interesting

In-Thread Attack - Mafia Universe Wiki

www.mafiauniverse.com www.mafiauniverse.com

Remember when we sussed that there was a kill not by the wolves, but by a vig or 3P?

I wonder if in thread quotes are how Mayo earns money for shanks or something.

But he's so village why would he kill anyone?

Sometimes someone has X # of chances to kill a specific someone or role for their win con.

LIS already brought up he thought someone was looking for a little sister or something.

Ww is full of roles where someone has to find someone and do something in order for something else to happen, gaining a power, a kill shot, winning the game.
 
Crayola227 said:
Stop calling 3P neutral like that means they are harmless. May as well call them by their other name, chaos. We don't know if he has a win condition, and if he does, if achieving it means everyone loses automatically, or if he can only win with wolves, or either side. Impossible to tell so far.

The quote dropping is weird and likely related to his being 3P.
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He did not seer as 3p.

We are not calling him neutral because he seered as 3p.

We are calling him neutral because he freaking seered as neutral.

It is idiotic to call someone who seered as neutral chaos.

I am so tired of this argument on thread. Dina's ability was not to determine village/not village. It was an alignment seer. She was told Mayo was neutral. Stop trying to twist that into anything other than it is.
 
Trilt said:
He did not seer as 3p.

We are not calling him neutral because he seered as 3p.

We are calling him neutral because he freaking seered as neutral.

It is idiotic to call someone who seered as neutral chaos.

I am so tired of this argument on thread. Dina's ability was not to determine village/not village. It was an alignment seer. She was told Mayo was neutral. Stop trying to twist that into anything other than it is.
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ya, that's my thought. Cray states it like a rule, but black and white is not the name of the game imo.
 
Trilt said:
He did not seer as 3p.

We are not calling him neutral because he seered as 3p.

We are calling him neutral because he freaking seered as neutral.

It is idiotic to call someone who seered as neutral chaos.

I am so tired of this argument on thread. Dina's ability was not to determine village/not village. It was an alignment seer. She was told Mayo was neutral. Stop trying to twist that into anything other than it is.
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Do you think cray is in wolf territory? I have not put her there, but she did have a weird push on Lawpy early game when I felt like he was pretty village. I haven't played in a while and can't remember her wolf game.
 
Just because this is a point I want to prove, I just searched for Dubz posting her spreadsheets and pulled neutrals from the easily available ones.

We have one independent murderer - notably not ACTUALLY called neutral, but I included to be thorough - a couple JOAT characters, and others with generic abilities. There is a non-zero chance I'm wrong because, hey, he's not village, but "not village = dead" is a way I've seen a lot of people lose cycles and good players in my game so I rail against it.

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Lupin21 said:
Do you think cray is in wolf territory? I have not put her there, but she did have a weird push on Lawpy early game when I felt like he was pretty village. I haven't played in a while and can't remember her wolf game.
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I find it very hard to figure her out in games because the tone is just generally effusive and she says a lot. I don't think I've ever played with her actually as a wolf. However, her meta in this game fits her general village meta in my very rusty eyes.

The things migrating Cray less wolf that aren't bussing/thread votes:
1) I have a guess on her role just from some subtext - though admittedly I could be reading it wrong - and it'd likely be village.

2) Being silenced by cigarettes (allegedly at least) immediately after we lynched alley while being silenced by cigarettes... would be a very weird decision. Her going out of her way to communicate her silencing when the wolves didn't with alley - why wouldn't they have brainstormed that for her earlier?? - also jives more village than scum to me.
 
Trilt said:
I find it very hard to figure her out in games because the tone is just generally effusive and she says a lot. I don't think I've ever played with her actually as a wolf. However, her meta in this game fits her general village meta in my very rusty eyes.

The things migrating Cray less wolf that aren't bussing/thread votes:
1) I have a guess on her role just from some subtext - though admittedly I could be reading it wrong - and it'd likely be village.

2) Being silenced by cigarettes (allegedly at least) immediately after we lynched alley while being silenced by cigarettes... would be a very weird decision. Her going out of her way to communicate her silencing when the wolves didn't with alley also jives more village than scum to me.
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I just woke up and am only on my phone, but Cray was silenced at the same time as alley, not after. I’m planning to take a closer look at her posts today.
 
supershorty said:
I just woke up and am only on my phone, but Cray was silenced at the same time as alley, not after. I’m planning to take a closer look at her posts today.
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Crap I was thinking she was silenced with Cyndia, but you're right it was an alley-cray-kata tie. I need to look at those tallies and write-ups again.

I think the logic still flows towards wolves not using the same item on two people in one night, but honestly wouldn't be the weirdest move this game with this pack.
 
Trilt said:
Crap I was thinking she was silenced with Cyndia, but you're right it was an alley-cray-kata tie. I need to look at those tallies and write-ups again.

I think the logic still flows towards wolves not using the same item on two people in one night, but honestly wouldn't be the weirdest move this game with this pack.
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I forget if she even confirmed a cig. I was counting them at one point. Do we know if paw prints was silenced or not? I don't think it would have been a cig or two people would be posting gifs, right?
 
Lupin21 said:
I forget if she even confirmed a cig. I was counting them at one point. Do we know if paw prints was silenced or not? I don't think it would have been a cig or two people would be posting gifs, right?
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Since pawprints liked a few posts on D6, I don’t think she was silenced. I know Cray liked some non-strategy posts when she was silenced but Lawpy wasn’t allowed to after the mods closed that loophole.

I think Cray did confirm at some point that she smoked.
 
Crayola227 said:
For the purpose of clarity I will reveal I used the cigarettes. You use them on a night, your action is doubled that same night, and then you are silenced the following day. Your vote once cast by mod PM is permanent and cannot be switched. You cannot like posts on thread, but I asked Dubz if non-strat posts were OK and she said yes. Kaydubs later expressed some disapproval about this.
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Here we go.
 
Lupin21 said:
I kind of remember that now. So now there shouldn't be silencing unless a confirmed role ability. All cigs are accounted for, yes?
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I think so, if we concluded that Cyndia used one and that’s why she was silenced on D5. Cigs would have been used by April, mkg, alley, Cray, and Cyndia.
 
I think if I exclude vote analysis my list of leans goes:

Most Sketch
MsP, Pleasey
Lawpy, Cray, Lupes
Katamac, LIS, Chaos
Jboo, Barks, AM
Least Sketch

Mayo in his neutral corner.

I want to iso a couple people and see if I can find non vote ~vibes~ that I can latch onto, but walking into a Saturday ER shift now and will likely not come up for air until this evening.
 
@Lupin21 I know you said you don't feel anyone in your group as scum, but I don't think you ever specifically answered me questioning you about LIS. I don't think he's sketchy, but can you specifically give me your opinion on him?

and I'm off~
 
Trilt said:
@Lupin21 I know you said you don't feel anyone in your group as scum, but I don't think you ever specifically answered me questioning you about LIS. I don't think he's sketchy, but can you specifically give me your opinion on him?

and I'm off~
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Easy cohesion from thread to PM and is game solving. We don't agree on reads most the time, but that's not out of the ordinary. I'd be more concerned if he did. haha
 
Trilt said:
I think if I exclude vote analysis my list of leans goes:

Most Sketch
MsP, Pleasey
Lawpy, Cray, Lupes
Katamac, LIS, Chaos
Jboo, Barks, AM
Least Sketch

Mayo in his neutral corner.

I want to iso a couple people and see if I can find non vote ~vibes~ that I can latch onto, but walking into a Saturday ER shift now and will likely not come up for air until this evening.
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So this list is everyone left in the game except for me (and you but obviously you won’t put yourself on your list). Is there any reason you left me off?
 
supershorty said:
So this list is everyone left in the game except for me (and you but obviously you won’t put yourself on your list). Is there any reason you left me off?
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Because I wrote that partially at home and partially at work and missed you lol. This is what happens when I'm trying to analyze like normal but am on a time crunch.

You're on least sketch side. 😛
 
Night 6

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Cohen's an artist, says some. He's a Section Eight, says I. He's a real lunatic, a dyed in the wool psychopath.

She wandered from Athena's Glory to Fort Frolic, restless, mind heavy with the thoughts of her responsibilities, her missteps. And still, despite all the progress they had made, threats remained, and she saw no simple path to rid them of Fontaine's spies. If only they could get their hands on some more ADAM...

A voice crackled over the Fort Frolic intercom system. Strange. She hadn't been here before, thought it was abandoned like most other areas of Rapture. Lights went on all around her.

Ah, that's better. Atlas, Ryan, Atlas, Ryan, duh duh duh, duh duh duh. Time was you could get something decent on the radio. The artist has a duty to seduce the ear and delight the spirit: So say goodbye to those two blowhards, and hello! to an evening with Sander Cohen.

She turned to leave, go back to her room in Athena's Glory, not sure she wanted to meet this Cohen guy. But as she made her way back to the bathysphere, she watched the gates close, and the sphere sink into the water. Music swelled all around her, but between the notes she heard something...something like gunfire, bullets flying in quick succession, and running footsteps, retreating.

Well, there was no way for her to leave. Might as well enjoy the show.

Rise, Rapture, rise
We turn our hopes up to the skies
Rise, Rapture, rise
We'll go down with our sinking paradise
My city is thriving
Your allies- choose them wisely
Our Rapture is rising
Stand with us, Would You Kindly?
RISE

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No one has died

It is now Day 7. Vote closes at 10pm EST, tomorrow, 3/14/21.

14 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @Barkley13

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy

Hephaestus
overcome by lava

Olympus Heights
19. @Ms Procrastinator
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. katashark ---> @samac
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager
zenge - wolf seer
Vis - village tracker
mkg - village protector
sporty - village blocker
alleycat - wolf blocker
genny - wealthy villager
Cyndia - wolf hacker
Dina - village affiliation seer
pawprints - village post restrictor

Subs:
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Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​
 
Lupin21 said:
Did we determine what a wolf hacker actually did? Was that the watcher vs tracker convo?
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The watcher vs tracker convo was unrelated to Cyndia - it was because chaos said something implying a night result where someone either watched or tracked him. It was the night that Dina was killed, but the write up made it sound like her seering people involved a camera (and samac claimed a night result with a camera shutter). So seemed like someone else was responsible for chaos' result.

Chaostrodon said:
vote LIS , obviously . It seems someone looked at me very closely
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samac said:
I’m guessing Dina was the one who watched me last night with the camera shutter and chaos was watched by a watcher.
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samac said:
.... I know I hate conversion theories but I can’t help but be concerned someone was converted last night.
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It mentions a gun though, so it sounds more like failed kill attempt. No telling with conversions. I can't think that way just yet.
 
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