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[Lawpy]

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I received multiple actions the night Dina seered me.

One was a camera which I think was probably her, but someone else watched me intently so that could have been a her or a different ability



"Would you kindly" is the phrase that Fontaine uses to control the player's actions. That was a very ominous write up.

I got the camera notification last night. It's someone else imo

 

[samac]

I got the camera notification last night. It's someone else imo

WAT

 

[samac]

Then the camera is the watcher and the watching notification is Dina.

either way, it still stands that Cray and pleasy were quick to say mayo

 

[kaydubs]

Day 7: Let Me See IT Vote Tally

vetschoolsplz (5) - MsP, AM, mayo, Lupin, Barks
samac (1) - Lawpy
mayo (1) - Cray

7/14

Missing: most

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/14/21 (~32 hours)

 

[Lupin21]

I got the camera notification last night. It's someone else imo

What was the notification like for the silencing again? Sorry if you've said it.

 

[samac]

Whoever the watcher is, if you’re village, if someone visited Lawpy last night and it’s someone you’ve had suspicions of and it may have been a conversion please let us know.
I don’t want to convert hunt just yet because I’m pretty sure there’s an og wolf yet, but I wanted this noted, if I was a wolf and I was going to convert someone it would have been AM, shorty, or Lawpy because their village cred is through the damn roof. Maybe we got lucky...?

 

[Barkley13]

Any reason for the pleasy votes? 🤔

The way she immediately switched her read on zenge from village on D1 to wolf in her first post on D2 which is consistent with wolves being notified of seering + how she voted zenge early D2 and voted alley when it was clear we were going to keep looking for the wolf blocker among the silenced but didn’t vote cyndia

 

[Lawpy]

What was the notification like for the silencing again? Sorry if you've said it.

It seems to be customized to my role

 

[supershorty]

It seems to be customized to my role

You said this in our PM too and I'm still confused about it.

 

[Lawpy]

You said this in our PM too and I'm still confused about it.

I'd need to out myself to describe what the notification stated

 

[samac]

I'd need to out myself to describe what the notification stated

And just to confirm, you weren’t silenced by a cigarette correct?

 

[Lawpy]

And just to confirm, you weren’t silenced by a cigarette correct?

Yep

 

[Lupin21]

So with two people having been silenced outside of cigarettes, the other thing that I haven't kept track of until now is two shanks were gone between N3 and N5 value vending.

 

[Lawpy]

So with two people having been silenced outside of cigarettes, the other thing that I haven't kept track of until now is two shanks were gone between N3 and N5 value vending.

I got shanked in N5

 

[samac]

Wait I really do think watcher is wolf.
it just clicked they would have known who gifed me. They chose to keep it to themselves.

 

[samac]

I got shanked in N5

I’ll own up to it. The 2 things kata had bought was a first aid kit and a shank.
it blocks a night actions and I had you pegged for a wolf. I was trying to block a kill.

 

[Crayola227]

No, it's just another way of describing a 3p. Again, I only care about wincon followed by ability. Names are meaningless to me.

This. 100% this. At this point haven't even had a claim on a reassuring wincon.

 

[Crayola227]

Then the camera is the watcher and the watching notification is Dina.

either way, it still stands that Cray and pleasy were quick to say mayo

I voted mayo and sus on him very early, his tone has changed, been saying that for ages now.

If I was a wolf I would just try to NK him, but I can't, sadly I depend on the cooperation of others to remove his threat from the game. I'm afraid if I don't campaign for his death no one will do it.

 

[Lupin21]

I got shanked in N5

And that was separate from the silencing then?

 

[Crayola227]

I’ll own up to it. The 2 things kata had bought was a first aid kit and a shank.
it blocks a night actions and I had you pegged for a wolf. I was trying to block a kill.

Wait, shank is defensive it blocks a kill, it doesn't kill?

 

[Lawpy]

And that was separate from the silencing then?

Yep. The silencing was N4

 

[samac]

Wait, shank is defensive it blocks a kill, it doesn't kill?

No, the description just says it blocks a player, so I assumed it blocked a night action and took my shot at preventing a night kill. I told LiS in PM my plan in case I was silenced in some way the next day and there wasn’t a night kill.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

.... I know I hate conversion theories but I can’t help but be concerned someone was converted last night.

A conversion this late wouldn't make me feel good

Is it. And I hope to mod one sometime!

It would be interesting to see how that works on here. The game would have to be huge. It would probably only have to happen once in the game.

I’ll own up to it. The 2 things kata had bought was a first aid kit and a shank.
it blocks a night actions and I had you pegged for a wolf. I was trying to block a kill.

Does the shank protect you from a kill or is it just used on someone else?

 

[samac]

A conversion this late wouldn't make me feel good


It would be interesting to see how that works on here. The game would have to be huge. It would probably only have to happen once in the game.


Does the shank protect you from a kill or is it just used on someone else?

Just used on someone else.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

No, the description just says it blocks a player, so I assumed it blocked a night action and took my shot at preventing a night kill. I told LiS in PM my plan in case I was silenced in some way the next day and there wasn’t a night kill.

It would be cool if the shank could have been used to kill someone who tried to kill you. That was what I thought it was. Never got a chance to buy it

 

[Crayola227]

Cessna and I are going for a flight, if I don't check in for a while then I am legit dead IRL.

 

[Lawpy]

Cessna and I are going for a flight, if I don't check in for a while then I am legit dead IRL.

I miss cessnas

 

[Lupin21]

I miss cessnas

So does your read on samac change knowing new info?

 

[samac]

It would be cool if the shank could have been used to kill someone who tried to kill you. That was what I thought it was. Never got a chance to buy it

My guess is kata thought something similar. With the first aid kit day 1 and the shank day 2 I think she tried to set herself up to be protected from a NK but the items weren’t what she expected

 

[Lawpy]

So does your read on samac change knowing new info?

No not really. I understand why she did it but it doesn't affect my POE

 

[Lupin21]

My guess is kata thought something similar. With the first aid kit day 1 and the shank day 2 I think she tried to set herself up to be protected from a NK but the items weren’t what she expected

how was the first aid kit different?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm honestly just rattled that kata had so much money.

 

[samac]

how was the first aid kit different?

personally I thought it would prevent a night kill/heal someone when I read it. But this is probably because I was a protector in the noob game and the description was that I had my first aid kit and when I picked someone to heal it was described as I brought people bandages and tinctures.

 

[Lupin21]

personally I thought it would prevent a night kill/heal someone when I read it. But this is probably because I was a protector in the noob game and the description was that I had my first aid kit and when I picked someone to heal it was described as I brought people bandages and tinctures.

so basically it was to protect another, couldn't be self. Seemingly 4 of those were bought night 1, so that made things interesting probably. haha

 

[samac]

I'm honestly just rattled that kata had so much money.

A little over $50 total. First aid kit was $20 and shank was $30. I was also wrong on days, night 3 was the shank. Literally the last thing I think she did lol.
I assume some people started more than others with how expensive everything was. She left me with $4 lol

 

[samac]

so basically it was to protect another, couldn't be self. Seemingly 4 of those were bought night 1, so that made things interesting probably. haha

That’s what I assumed when I was reading along, but turns out it just removed a negative effect.

 

[Lupin21]

That’s what I assumed when I was reading along, but turns out it just removed a negative effect.

ah! interesting. Don't suppose it ever made it to being needed considering the negative effects being present and accounted for.

 

[Lupin21]

ah! interesting. Don't suppose it ever made it to being needed considering the negative effects being present and accounted for.

or rather, used with good timing.

 

[samac]

or rather, used with good timing.

Yeah whoever else bought first aid kits I doubt they were planning for cigarette effects or others effects since they were all bought night 1.

 

[Lawpy]

A little over $50 total. First aid kit was $20 and shank was $30. I was also wrong on days, night 3 was the shank. Literally the last thing I think she did lol.
I assume some people started more than others with how expensive everything was. She left me with $4 lol

... wait you/katas used the shank twice?

 

[samac]

... wait you/katas used the shank twice?

No. She never used the shank. I meant she bought it night 3

 

[supershorty]

Okay, I just waded through all of Cray's posts. This is NOT a definitive ISO the way I did for some other people - there are just way too many posts for that.

tl;dr: there are some inconsistencies in a few things that Cray said, they don't necessarily give me wolfy pings but I noted them when they happened and then quoted them below. Part of me worries that her fixation on getting rid of the neutral is a distraction from wolf hunting, but going back through her posts, I still overall felt like she was pretty similar to the village play that I've seen from her before. It's weird to me that she got after Lawpy for talking about potential 3ps early, and now she's kind of stuck on that with mayo being the neutral.

I'm going to look at MsP next because other than last night, her VCA is identical to Cray's.

Spoiler

I don't actually think AM did much to pocket that game. At some point, is someone trying to put you in their pocket, or do you just choose to live in their butt?

Do you mean the others? Because 'm not salty about it. Some of us not voting you isn't because you really manipulated us. I think for some people it's a personal problem being slow to pull the trigger.

That's not what I mean.

And my understanding was that pocketing doesn't represent a player's hesitation for voting another player overall, but usually implies some personal manipulation on the part of the pocketer.

I'm referring to people being slow to pull a trigger even on a wolfy player, because of personal reasons.

Well I still think for analysis' sake it's important to specify active vs passive pocketing. Active pocketing is more likely a wolf activity. Passive pocketing, where a villager just puts themselves unbidden into someone's pocket - is not necessary AI for the supposed pocketer. I don't call it pocketing if it's a choice to live in someone's butt.

But then later, she said this:

I have her with the barest edge of village. I haven't felt the weird AM wolf manipulation yet that I've learned is trademark for wolf AM. And she's on the edge cuz the weirdness

Which is a little incongruent with what she was saying earlier about how AM wolfed in the last game. To be clear: I'm reading AM as village at this point. This just caught my attention when Cray kind of changed her stance on it.

Then here's all the early 3p stuff.

Lawpy had a few solid posts initially, but as od late if just seems to have devolved into more fluff. A disturbing amount of fluff to content ratio for me. A lot of calling out quiet players. The focus on 3P.... none of this is outside his meta overall, but the balance is off.

So that's actually more than once you've brought up 3P. It wasn't just a tinfoil, and the context is more fishing style.

That's fine to point out, it was the way you asked LIS to comment on the theory that seemed very fishy. And like you want to 3P hunt over just finding anything that isn't village to yeet. Wolves love the former over the latter greatly. Assuming you didn't push it because you're not a wolf, it's not a very pro-village discussion to push. Wolves would love nothing more than to have village help them 3P hunt. Or it's an opening for some of our noobs to start PR talk. Or maybe you were hoping a 3P would make a misstep, I don't know. I don't have a good read on you or AM right now, so it is making hard for me to lean you village with all this.

First it was 3P or factions, then it was the vig thing. More than once you've gone in a direction I find questionable is my point. Focusing on parties wolves usually want to kill, in a way that could be fishing. That is the theme.

Neutrals don't have to die, correct? We're really sure about this?

It depends on the game. I've played with wincon-exclusive neutrals and wincon-inclusive neutrals (though the latter seems significantly more common). The only confirmed thing is that they're 3p and not a wolf. Therefore not a top concern especially since we're not in an endgame situation.

I still have her village, but it isn't bad to reconsider her regularly because of conversion.

I've also considered a 3P seer. That's the tinfoil I alluded to.

3P hunting might be good cover for a 3P, just as wolf hunting is for wolves.

But the person going after the neutral the hardest now is ... Cray.
Interesting that she called out Lawpy for mentioning 3P and now that there's a known neutral, she's quite fixated on it instead of on wolf hunting.

Mayo did the most posting and contributing when he was under fire, and now it makes sense. Let him earn his keep.

If he doesn't want to wolf hunt hard, we should just be rid of him rather than risk he wins and we all lose, because that's a real possibility.

And I don't trust the wolves to be any smarter than all these 3P loving villagers and take him out before his role can ruin the game for all.

Village should never trust wolves to look out for village, even if wolves are looking out for themselves.

I just don't get this because mayo was pressing Zenge and Cyndia. It's not like he hasn't contributed to wolf hunting. With the caveat of not knowing please's affiliation, his VCA looks better than Cray's at the moment.

This is very, very weird. How do you know an attack is what silenced Shorty? And it seems Shorty is disagreeing with this theory. How did you come to this conclusion?

Never could decide if I thought this was intentional obtuseness or if she just missed the post where I had said that.

I think samac makes really good points, it doesn't feel cherry picked to me and it feels very representative. On me and at least one other player you read village and then did a complete 180 seemingly when it suited you.

The Lawpy push feels weird to me but that could be because I'm pretty dang sure of my village read on him based on a previous game with village!Lawpy, genny's description of how wolf!Lawpy plays, and our PM.

I'm wondering if the wolves made an attempt on the 3P last night that failed. Not that he would tell us.

This makes it seem even more important to me that we deal with it and vote him. Might be the only way he dies.

What in the write up made you think the attempt was specifically on mayo?

I voted mayo and sus on him very early, his tone has changed, been saying that for ages now.

If I was a wolf I would just try to NK him, but I can't, sadly I depend on the cooperation of others to remove his threat from the game. I'm afraid if I don't campaign for his death no one will do it.

You say this about multiple people in almost every game, as far as I can tell lol

 

[samac]

Cessna and I are going for a flight, if I don't check in for a while then I am legit dead IRL.

Are you meeting me in Vegas?

 

[holdthemayo]

If the watcher has been repeatedly targeting non-Dina players all game, then yes, they're a wolf.

Then I suspect it’s pleasy or cray.
they would have saw Dina went to mayo that night and Dina told us she seered a 3P. So they knew mayo was 3P.
cray started throwing accusations immediately and pleasy made that weird haha it’s a dream comment.

I got the camera notification last night. It's someone else imo

Wait I really do think watcher is wolf.
it just clicked they would have known who gifed me. They chose to keep it to themselves.

If we think they are a wolf, were there any nights where two people got the notification. We could try to get lucky with tying it to cigarette usage again like with the block.

 

[samac]

If we think they are a wolf, were there any nights where two people got the notification. We could try to get lucky with tying it to cigarette usage again like with the block.

I don’t know if theyre Dead but day 3 cray was silenced if that did happen..... if 2 people were watched night 2 we have it, but I feel like there’s a low chance of them being alive.

 

[holdthemayo]

I voted mayo and sus on him very early, his tone has changed, been saying that for ages now.

If I was a wolf I would just try to NK him, but I can't, sadly I depend on the cooperation of others to remove his threat from the game. I'm afraid if I don't campaign for his death no one will do it.

If I were a wolf I wouldn't waste a NK on a neutral player, but I would push pretty hard to get the village to spend a day cycle on them. You've spent multiple cycles chasing 3P instead of wolf-hunting.

I've spent the game wolf-hunting. I correctly read all three wolves, pushed the vote back to Zenge before Dina's reveal, and pushed Cynd for days.
I'm a neutral, but it's pretty clear who I've been trying to win with.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm definitely not a watcher, not that you have to believe me or anything.

 

[holdthemayo]

I'm definitely not a watcher, not that you have to believe me or anything.

Who watches over sleeping angels? I do, I do...

 

[Lupin21]

Did we determine then who Dina looked at N5?

 

[samac]

Did we determine then who Dina looked at N5?

I’m assuming chaos.