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sunshinefl said:
I Already had him as a wolf lean prior to the list. And i wasn't going to ask a wolf for their explanations they didn't give for a (mostly) backwards reads list.
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I just don't feel like I fully understand why you have a wolf lean on him. Or me, for that matter.
 
sunshinefl said:
how is that contradictory? their repeating, you're repeating, you're both anti-village reads. That seems pretty consistent to me.

More manufacturing.
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Are you serious? I feel like you're deliberately misreading things to throw shade. You're criticizing me when i called out about repetitive AM wolf reads, which you think repetition is ok because you think AM is wolfy. But yet you're criticizing Trouts and apparently now me for being repetitive?

You're wolfreading people who are calling out repetitive and sheepy reasons by accusing them of being repetitive. That makes no sense and is self contradictory
 
Lawpy said:
Are you serious? I feel like you're deliberately misreading things to throw shade. You're criticizing me when i called out about repetitive AM wolf reads, which you think repetition is ok because you think AM is wolfy. But yet you're criticizing Trouts and apparently now me for being repetitive?

You're wolfreading people who are calling out repetitive and sheepy reasons by accusing them of being repetitive. That makes no sense and is self contradictory
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once again just like last game, YOU are the one deliberately misreading things to throw shade.

-Trilt is literally copying and pasting from their own posts repeatedly, much like you.
-various people are witnessing AM's behavior on the public thread in front of 25 other people and comment on it
 
Aprilthearab said:
I'm feeling really uneasy about kata popping on infrequently but I'm also feeling uneasy about that naked vote Alissa just placed on kata.
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If You Say So Shrug GIF
 
Trilt said:
I love that three people you have as wolf leaning (out of six total!) is because they dared be suspicious or question you, or supported it (Zen, Lawp, me). That doesn't strike you as a bit much?
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no actually it doesn't. When I as a villager feel that people are manufacturing sus against me, it would be stupid not to interpret that as sus.
 
sunshinefl said:
once again just like last game, YOU are the one deliberately misreading things to throw shade.

-Trilt is literally copying and pasting from their own posts repeatedly, much like you.
-various people are witnessing AM's behavior on the public thread in front of 25 other people and comment on it
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You can't keep trying to cast my arguments on you by redirecting them on me. I'm saying your reads list explanations doesn't make sense. What does copying/pasting from own posts even mean?
 
Sigh.. I made it to page 14 before I got pulled away for dinner, and now I see we're up to 21. Here's a list summarizing my reads I've made note of so far, and then I'm just gonna skip ahead and skim the last few pages to see if I've missed anything major. These leans are in no particular order, just the categories they're in based off wolf/village points I've noted.

Village lean:
  • Dina - Agreed with many of her comments early on. Some I highlighted was calling out please, some of her initial reads lists.
  • Shorty - Liked many of the early comments. Would like to see more elaboration but also appreciated many of the questions and call outs shorty made.
  • Suni - Liked a lot of points made, highlighted post 325. In general feeling a village vibe.
  • MsP - Behavior D1 felt villagey. I've said it in the past but I tend to find her much more aggressive and argumentative as a wolf, though I think I've also said that on thread about her before and don't know if she took that to heart. But overall feeling villagey, though would like to see more from her.

Neutral:
  • Genny - Early posts feel sassy village genny, but I would like to see more content and a reads list. Reserving judgement on her bc she's one I'm frequently wrong about, and I haven't seen detailed reads yet.
  • AM - Posts feel like normal argumentative AM, I think some of her early game behavior was a little weird (forgetting some facts about that one game, almost seeming a little quieter in the first couple pages than normal) but then later she's been very normal and I've flipped back and forth on my feelings of her on my read through. A lot of people seem salty after last game and I luckily didn't keep up with totting it so I'm feeling relatively unbiased towards her and not sure where to rank her yet. Keeping her neutral for now.
  • LIS - Like the content so far, just reserving judgement and keeping in neutral bc there's not a lot of content to go off and it's hard to gauge with his schedule.
  • Zenge - A few things said here and there seemed a little odd, but this is also my first time playing with them so idk if this is their style. I noted at least one other player saying their style was a bit off this game, so gave that wolf points, but village points because I found myself agreeing with some logic and thoughts in a couple posts.
  • Lawpy - lots of tinfoil and content but not content posts which I gave some wolf points for, and some piggybacking. I liked some of their points on april/pleasy and similar thoughts on mkg so I gave village points for those.
  • Cray - Agreed with some posts thus far but not enough for me to make note of any firm village/wolf points.
  • Lupin - She's a good player and I haven't played with her in a long time/am having a hard time gauging her posts so far so leaving her in neutral.


Wolf lean:
  • April - I disliked her reads she posted in post #495, felt like a lot of vague/meta references as opposed to content specific things which are easier for me to assess the validity of. That gave her some big wolf points and I didn't love the distraction/noise of AM/april and some of the april/please stuff.
  • Please - Mild wolf points for some of the discussion with dina about msp. Overall the style of play seems villagey for what I know of her, but also I've never seen her wolf so can't speak to that.
  • Alissa - I didn't find the quick vote flip sketchy, but didn't like a lot of wishy washy posts that followed that. I know I can tunnel on alissa sometimes because of play style, so keeping this as a light wolf lean for right now.
  • Mayo - I didn't agree with the logic of some of your later posts so gave mild wolf leans.
  • MKG - didn't like the initial content posts, pm attempt, and initial AM vote. This is a light wolf lean at the moment bc genny did pm back about how she initiated the pm with mkg, who only started the pm with me after that. So willing to give a slight pass for newbie for that part of my red flags, but still on my list bc the rest of their posts thus far have not made me feel strongly otherwise.


Everyone else - unknown either because of lack of content or people I haven't really played with much and I was struggling to analyze their content thus far (like chaos, I need to iso them in more detail).
 
Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (1) - katashark
shorty ()
MsP ()
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (2) - Cray, Barks
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg (1) - Cyndia
LaineyLou ()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (2) - April, genny
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia (1) - mayo
alissa (2) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat

20/26

Winning: @katashark

Missing: @pawprintsandponytails @mkg323 @SportPonies @Viscernable @Ms Procrastinator @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~40 MINUTES)

and needs protecting video games GIF
 
holdthemayo said:
Was this directed at me? April is always sus D1. I'm usually wrong on that.

MKG pinged my radar, I'll let you know why in a minute.
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Is there any follow up on this? I'm guessing since youre on Cyndia that maybe Lawpy and I's convo resolved anything, but I figured I should confirm that since it didn't seem to do much for Cyndia.

Lawpy said:
How are you reading me?
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slight, slight village lean. like at the top of the neutral category, but not quite in the village lean category.
Trilt said:
This was super defensive for someone who wasn't/isn't even the top candidate up to vote.

This also feels very generic. Specifically I really don't like the read on Barkley; she's been pretty wishy washy in commentary from what I'm seeing; is this really "poking at people's arguments"?

I'm not actually against the content of Barkley's posts, but I feel like the characterization from mkg of those posts is questionable, and several of the other reads are kind of nothing statements.
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going back to barks, your right. I've put them back in the neutral category
Crayola227 said:
There's a level of jokiness from mayo that is bothering me.
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pretty sure he said in the sign-up thread that he was planning to use game quotes and stuff, and that was before roles went out so i don't think we can use that as indicative
Cyndia said:
This post was the main one - it was very wishy washy overall.

Also too wishy washy for my liking.

Glancing at your iso I see you’ve posted a bunch more since last night, so I’ll reevaluate once I do a read through tonight.
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I'm not going to have strong reads a couple of hours into D1. and I didn't want to put april in a lean because I read her completely wrong last time. After reading my updated reads that shorty asked for do you still feel the same way?
supershorty said:
Updating my reads


LIS - his content posts this morning seemed villagey and I followed his logic in them. This is a weaker lean for me too but I haven't seen anything inherently wolfy from him so far.

mkg - mkg seems like she's playing differently than she did in Goats. In the goats game, she came out of the gate strong, to the point that a few people (including me) were a little suspicious of how much knowledge she already had about the game, the terminology she was using, etc., and thought she was being coached. I'm not really seeing that as much in this game. Her response to me last night when I asked for reads, and she said that she was busy defending herself from a misyeet, was odd given that this is a 36/12 game. Is it possible that she didn't think about that because Goats was 12/12? Maybe, but it was a strange thing to say. She did provide her reads eventually, but I'd like to see more from her today. I don't think the whole PM thing has much significance, and mkg isn't one of my stronger leans in this category at the moment.
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Full disclosure I did trim this so my post isn't massive, just kept the two things that stood out and that I wanted to address. you agree with LIS's points but one was that barks voting was off? and you had barks in neutral, reading slight village. I think LIS sounded genuine this morning, but barks vote on MsP was more of a joke vote, and MsP confirmed it.

As for myself, yeah I might not be coming out as hard as last time. I came out swinging but it wasn't helpful to village, and my D1 reads (like you and april both being wolves, bussing, having fake fights or whatever) shouldn't be considered the norm, because I've learned more about the game. Also, in GGoats I put people in wolf lean/village lean, and didn't move them much. I'm trying not to fall into the same hole this time because I ended up tunneling a villager and had a wolf in my village reads right up to the final day.
SportPonies said:
what? Why?
Also why do I feel like I've never played a game with you?
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Its a salt vote from GGoats. and no, we've never played a game together, GGoats was my first game
 
sunshinefl said:
-Trilt is literally copying and pasting from their own posts repeatedly, much like you.
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This is ridiculous and I cannot understand how this is as big of a point as you are making it.

I said you were hedge-y and gave justifications from the limited posts about why I felt that way.
You just flippantly said you weren't and ignored my specific posts.
I brought them up again because I had already justified my statement when I made it, and you ignored them.

And this is sketchy of me?
 
Finally caught up!

Lawpy- Is giving very village vibes. Love the post quantity and quality, especially the tinfoils. A tinfoily lawpy is often a village Lawpy.

Pleasy (is this vetschoolspleaseletmein?)- Wolfy pleasy apparently over explains. Way too over explainy on why they're cool with yeeting me. Kinda sus. It's giving me "Well y'all I'd do it if it came down to it" vibes. Cool with voting me but hasn't asked me any substantial questions.

Lupin- That whole april thing was weird. Even if the second poster was statistically village it was still weird to just blurt on thread. Still, Lupin is a darn good wolf. She really wouldn't mess up like that. Lupin is a good wolf so I'm very wary of her.

Shorty- Has some strong reads. I like them so far.

MKG- Something pinged off about an AM salt vote they made earlier.

Genny- AM thinks she's playing up her anxiety which she's done twice as a wolf. I think the AM/Genny interaction definitely has a wolf in there. If AM got confirmed village, I think I'd vote genny.

Zenge- Really liked their reasoning for my and genny's vote. I don't think they seem opportunistic as genny put it.

Alissa- She seems very echoey. @alissa14 who else besides me and AM do you think is wolfy. It seems weird that you put everyone else as village or neutral, but put only me and AM as wolves. It seems like you're just going off of what other people say. Who else pings you as wolfy.

I don't have a grasp on April ATM. maybe it's the swift run through. I need to look closer into her.

Also, I've been over this a thousand times in a thousand games. My post count is NAI. Me posting more is indicative of my affiliation. My countless deaths prove that.
alissa14 said:
Okay I have a bit of tinfoil. AM has been saucy at everyone this game EXCEPT MsP. She even defended not voting for MsP. Her tone is very polite and spice free. I think this is unusual in how AM usually interacts with MsP. Especially since AM has come out her usual brand of fire and impatience with other players, me included. To me this is coming off as AM trying to look like she is probing MsP for more without actually putting any fire behind it. I feel like normally AM would try to yeet MsP if she didn’t get out reads or analysis fast enough and this time she was patient enough to wait and prompt her a second time. I think both could be wolves because of this. Or at the very least, if we are taking lawpy’s tinfoil into consideration, the same scum faction.

tl;dr my tinfoil is that AM and MsP are wolfy teammates
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AM is usually always on my case, but there are times when she's chill. Her not breathing down my neck a little slightly worries me, but I get a good vibe from her so far.
 
Trilt said:
This is ridiculous and I cannot understand how this is as big of a point as you are making it.

I said you were hedge-y and gave justifications from the limited posts about why I felt that way.
You just flippantly said you weren't and ignored my specific posts.
I brought them up again because I had already justified my statement when I made it, and you ignored them.

And this is sketchy of me?
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no I replied and then you literally repeated yourself again.
 
Cyndia said:
  • April - I disliked her reads she posted in post #495, felt like a lot of vague/meta references as opposed to content specific things which are easier for me to assess the validity of. That gave her some big wolf points and I didn't love the distraction/noise of AM/april and some of the april/please stuff.
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Just working with the little I've got on D1. The AM/April disagreement was from AM dragging out a single sentence I said until I stopped feeding into it so I don't see how the distraction revolves around me. I read Pleasy's 1st post as villagey and nothing else since then so I'm not sure why that keeps being brought up as a reason to wolf read me.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Just working with the little I've got on D1. The AM/April disagreement was from AM dragging out a single sentence I said until I stopped feeding into it so I don't see how the distraction revolves around me. I read Pleasy's 1st post as villagey and nothing else since then so I'm not sure why that keeps being brought up as a reason to wolf read me.
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Your main wolf points for me were that first reads list because a lot of the reasoning I thought was kinda meh and mainly meta based. The noise of the other discussions was just a side note I made. Did you post any updated reads later that I missed?
 
supershorty said:
Ok, but you could post some reads of your own too, not just ask other people. This just feels a little hedgy to me.
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let me just throw the lack of games I have played back out there again for an explanation to why I haven't been posting stellar in-depth reads which you seems to often request...

I voted for MsP, I picked that one because she has posted some, was referred to a history of laying low and coming in last minute... enough for me to think maybe it is a similar strategy

there have been alot of people posting a large amount, yes, but I don't know, I don't really have anyone that I am like OH YEAHHHHH that's a wolf.... I'm working on formulating my final leanings, but I'm interested to see if there are any last minute vote switches as well...
 
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