A Lighthouse, A Man, A City...A BioShock WW Game

[sunshinefl]

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Do you have explanations for your reads? These are very short and some of them are clearly referencing much earlier gamestate than where we currently are.

I don't know what magic you want. I have explanations next to all of my reads.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Yeet MsP

Por que? No more naked MsP yeets, especially since I'm often misyeeted. If you want me yeeted, you're going to have to work for it.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Your main wolf points for me were that first reads list because a lot of the reasoning I thought was kinda meh and mainly meta based. The noise of the other discussions was just a side note I made. Did you post any updated reads later that I missed?

Yes.

Putting explanations just for the reads that have changed since my last list so I don't make this another wall post

Village leans:
- Lawpy
- Mayo
- mkg
- LIS: I appreciate the wolf hunting effort and agree with most of what he's said. Villagey tone, not that of a wolf on edge.
- Shorty: confident village!shorty, took a stance against Trilt which definitely feels like village meta
- Cray: sounds like village!Cray doing her normal catch up posts and sussing everyone
- Genny: reading as stubborn sassy villager for aforementioned reasons, though I am willing to reconsider her if she keeps up with the minimal wolf hunting

Neutral for conflicting pings:
- Schools
- Alissa
- Alley: echoing is NAI, tone is village but switch to AM vote feels sheepy

Neutral for no pings in either direction:
- Sun
- Chaos
- Lupin
- Barks
- MsP
- Dina
- Cyndia: haven't seen too much from yet and hasn't pinged me either way so far
- Trilt: vet that I'm not familiar playing with, came out swinging, not sure how I feel yet

Wolfy leans:
- AM: Moving closer to the weak side of wolfy, less blatantly wolfy than last game
- Zenge: for aforementioned reasons including wordy hedging, tone being off, quite a few bad pingy posts


Haven't spoken enough for a category:
PawPrints
Vis
Sport
Lainey
Kata

 

[Lupin21]

Try reading through the backlog

At this point, it is better to engage the people present and get back and forth going on rather than reading. I find that helps immensely.

 

[Lawpy]

he posted the same exact early day 1 quotes from me that weren't hedgy again.

Ok i think we had different interpretations on what repetitive means. I think repeating to clarify or explain better is different from repeating by straight up copying/paraphrasing someone else's reasoning and using only that to explain wolf read

 

[Trilt]

Try reading through the backlog

I know those feels, I really considered just going to bed last night when I realized how many pages there were...

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I'm good with a pleasy yeet. Something about wanting to yeet me without trying to get stuff out of me yourself was no bueno. Yeet pleasy

i didn't ask anything bc from what i remembered, you weren't super responsive to people asking stuff of you last game i played with you. i never actually placed a vote on you. i said what boils down to "if i see antivillage play coming from MsP, imma yeet her, but that's not what I'm seeing so I won't yeet her for now." i didn't feel like there was more to get from that

 

[mkg323]

Vissy and katas are explained above. genny reads maybe wolfy from her interactions with AM and zenges. Alleys and pleasy wolfreads for sheeping reasons as mentioned earlier.

I'm sorry what page is your reads on? I think I might have missed it while I was doing my quote dump

 

[kaydubs]

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou ()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (2) - April, genny
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia (1) - mayo
alissa (2) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat

22/26

Winning: @katashark & @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Missing: @mkg323 @SportPonies @Viscernable @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~30 MINUTES)

 

[jaboo]

At this point, it is better to engage the people present and get back and forth going on rather than reading. I find that helps immensely.

Encouraging me to skip my homework??? If this is what pocketing feels like, I like it so far.

 

[pawprintsandponytails]

What made you choose her?

Why?

I voted for MsP, I picked that one because she has posted some, was referred to a history of laying low and coming in last minute... enough for me to think maybe it is a similar strategy .. see my response to shorty for deets

 

[Lawpy]

I'm sorry what page is your reads on? I think I might have missed it while I was doing my quote dump

Page 18.

 

[sunshinefl]

Ok i think we had different interpretations on what repetitive means. I think repeating to clarify or explain better is different from repeating by straight up copying/paraphrasing someone else's reasoning and using only that to explain wolf read

Lawny you're driving me crazy. Those are 2 different things I'm not sure why you keep harping on this incorrect point.

1. copying and pasting from your own posts again
2. having your own experience of the same event that 25 other people witness with some agreement of the facts

 

[Lawpy]

Holy catto so many posts just loaded suddenly

 

[supershorty]

@Viscernable where are you?

 

[Lupin21]

Encouraging me to skip my homework??? If this is what pocketing feels like, I like it so far.

No, it's called best use of your time. Otherwise, people disappear claiming to read then don't participate in end of day, which is usually when most info is gathered.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I voted for MsP, I picked that one because she has posted some, was referred to a history of laying low and coming in last minute... enough for me to think maybe it is a similar strategy .. see my response to shorty for deets

Do you have wolf reads on anyone else?

 

[holdthemayo]

I'm not sure what you mean

You called her village play lazy before she had barely played.
Zeng used her name as a pejorative to describe another player.
AM intentionally misinterprets her every word.
Trilt said she's not fun to play with on his first day playing with her.

None of those are wolf hunting. You're being dinguses. If she is a villager, why would she want to work with any of you after that?

 

[Cyndia]

Yes.

Thanks, I missed that list. I still don't really agree with quite a few of your reads and still not seeing a whole lot of specific justifications. But alissa is my other top wolf lean atm, so I'm going to iso her and decide which of you two I feel stronger about.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I voted for MsP, I picked that one because she has posted some, was referred to a history of laying low and coming in last minute... enough for me to think maybe it is a similar strategy .. see my response to shorty for deets

What are your other reads?

 

[jaboo]

Lawny you're driving me crazy. Those are 2 different things I'm not sure why you keep harping on this incorrect point.

1. copying and pasting from your own posts again
2. having your own experience of the same event that 25 other people witness with some agreement of the facts

Reading Lawpy well is a losing battle IMO.

 

[Lupin21]

You called her village play lazy before she had barely played.
Zeng used her name as a pejorative to describe another player.
AM intentionally misinterprets her every word.
Trilt said she's not fun to play with on his first day playing with her.

None of those are wolf hunting. You're being dinguses. If she is a villager, why would she want to work with any of you after that?

who is her in this scenario?

 

[Cyndia]

Ok so I’m out of work. Trying to get home and try to get dinner so I can give an updated reads list and throw down a yeet vote

I saw you threw down a yeet - any updated reads yet?

 

[Lawpy]

Lawny you're driving me crazy. Those are 2 different things I'm not sure why you keep harping on this incorrect point.

1. copying and pasting from your own posts again
2. having your own experience of the same event that 25 other people witness with some agreement of the facts

I'm stating this because there's a serious misunderstanding that's going on and i want to resolve this.

Also why are you dismissing repeating own points as wolfy when they're used for clarifying and resolving misinterpretations??

The 2nd point is what i was trying to say many times and i'm not sure how we're disagreeing. Agreeing with others is good but just add your own reasoning on top!

 

[Trilt]

Trilt said she's not fun to play with on his first day playing with her.

Quick note - I'm pretty sure she called herself not fun while revenge lynching me for daring to question her, actually.

I'm having a grand ole time with her rn.

 

[holdthemayo]

I still haven't seen a good argument for kata. Not sure why she (he?) is tied for the lead right now.

Unyeet C
Yeet Alissa

 

[Lupin21]

And yeah, sunshine, I didn't see anything new on your spreadsheet that wasn't offered quite a bit earlier. Anything besides Lawpy coming up in your reads?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I still haven't seen a good argument for kata. Not sure why she (he?) is tied for the lead right now.

Unyeet kata
Yeet Alissa

You weren't ever on kata.

 

[Cyndia]

Try reading through the backlog

I missed this sub.. who are you playing for?

 

[Viscernable]

It means I don't want my vote to influence my current people of interest. It can be used to pressure people, but if played too soon sometimes I think ruins what I'm doing to read someone.

It always pings me as wolfy when people play off posts/votes other people found weird by implying they're playing some 4D chess we just can't understand. I've been wrong about that suspicion pretty much every time, though, so I'll try to shove it down.

 

[kaydubs]

I still haven't seen a good argument for kata. Not sure why she (he?) is tied for the lead right now.

Unyeet C
Yeet Alissa

Phew, thank you for changing that

 

[holdthemayo]

who is her in this scenario?

They know

 

[jaboo]

Also hi, I’m jaboo. Used to play a bunch, but haven’t played in a while. So if I call you a newb even though you aren’t that new, that’s why

 

[kaydubs]

I missed this sub.. who are you playing for?

LaineyLou

 

[Viscernable]

This hyper-0focus on the first post clear by Zenge makes me feel all kinds of weird.

"First post" theories came up even in the goat game we just played. It's typical early D1-nonsense. NAI

Mmm this is a very good point. Something about how Z is playing is leaving me with the feeling that something is different from past games. He seems to be grabbing on to certain players and making series of posts that feel kind of rehearsed/pre-planned. I might not be explaining this well, but the series of posts on MsP and this series of posts on Lupin remind me of my own train of thought when wolfing, trying to plant seeds on suspicion on someone while planning ahead future posts I'll make about them.

The MsP posts on their own would not be giving me a wolf read since I do agree with his reasoning (at the time, it looked like MsP was on track for a repeat of the play that really hurt village by making her an easy misyeet and distracting from real wolfhunting. Then he backed off once she came on and contributed.). The Lupin posts, however, feel very opportunistic. The below post reads to me like "oh yes thank you for giving me this opportunity to throw suspicion on someone who I've wanted to but didn't want to be seen as the first person to throw sus on them once they flip village!". Just... a lot of focus on that one post, and the tone in this and the other posts mayo quoted strike me as trying way too hard to sound earnest.

Here’s the list of all the quotes relating to the matter:
I think this was very much a serious statement based on the quotes, which is a pretty weird reasoning to use to clear someone as village.

 

[SportPonies]

There's only 1 vote on mkg right now.

I think I meant to quote the zenge quote associated with this, but I was gonna say it pushes Zenge a little more wolf for me.

Yes, but quite a few people said they were willing to change to mkg

Why are you defending Zenge here, and then flip and voice suspicion of them a few posts later?

 

[Lupin21]

It always pings me as wolfy when people play off posts/votes other people found weird by implying they're playing some 4D chess we just can't understand. I've been wrong about that suspicion pretty much every time, though, so I'll try to shove it down.

You likely can't understand my motives unless asked. And this is a chess game, so anyone not playing as such isn't playing hard enough

 

[holdthemayo]

Phew, thank you for changing that

I might try that trick next time I'm leading in the vote... 🤔

 

[SportPonies]

I got myself popcorn for Sporty's Power Hours, for the record.

 

[Lawpy]

You called her village play lazy before she had barely played.
Zeng used her name as a pejorative to describe another player.
AM intentionally misinterprets her every word.
Trilt said she's not fun to play with on his first day playing with her.

None of those are wolf hunting. You're being dinguses. If she is a villager, why would she want to work with any of you after that?

Dude are you serious here? This post makes no sense. I didn't call sunshiny's play lazy. I said many times that i'm railing against lazy reads that involve repeating someone's reasoning and using that as their own with nothing else to add. That is lazy. And yet i'm getting criticized because i'm getting misread. Your accusation that i'm being a dingus and not wolfhunting is uncalled for.

 

[pawprintsandponytails]

Do you have wolf reads on anyone else?

What are your other reads?

shorty rubs me the wrong way in the sense of demanding reads along the way, but not really wolfish .. yet

Mayo... the humor throws me for a loop...

the sunshine argument raises some flags, perhaps

but no nothing super solid.

 

[kaydubs]

Official Day 1 A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys Vote Tally

AM ()
Dina ()
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
chaos ()
April (2) - katashark, Cyndia
shorty ()
MsP (1) - pawprints
Trilt (1) - sunshinefl
LIS ()
Visc (2) - Lawpy, supershorty
vetschoolsplease (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
Lupin (1) - Chaos
mkg ()
LaineyLou —> jaboo()
mayo (1) - Lupin
Zenge (2) - April, genny
katashark (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
Barks ()
alleycat (1) - Dina
Cyndia ()
alissa (3) - vetschoolsplease, alleycat, mayo

22/26

Winning: @katashark & @vetschoolsletmeinplease & @alissa14

Missing: @mkg323 @SportPonies @Viscernable @jaboo

yeet/vote close, TODAY, at 10pm EST on 3/2/21 (~20 MINUTES)

 

[Viscernable]

Lost the post but someone, I think chaos, was sketched out by Lawpy tinfoiling and mechanics speculation. From anyone else I'd be right there with you, but that's just what Lawpy does.

The set up reminds me of the Hannibal game. Wolfpack + 1 alpha/serial killer.

I agree with the Forntaine and Ryan faction. They aren't the only characters with independent motives. Maybe a Tanenbaum faction/3P?

I think Lawpy is probably drinking the right kool-aid. I could be wrong.

From you, however... hm. Does anyone else remember to what extent baseless (I don't mean this pejoratively to your speculation, I just mean there's been nothing in-game to prompt it and it isn't contributing to wolfhunting) mechanics speculation is part of mayo's village play and wolf play?

 

[supershorty]

I know people have to catch up, but it clutters the thread so much when we're on page 24, 20ish minutes from yeet, and people are posting responses to things said on like, page 6. It's not reflective of the current gamestate and I don't think it's actually very helpful as a result.

I know that's an unpopular opinion, but this thread is growing like crazy because of stuff like that.

 

[holdthemayo]

Is there any follow up on this? I'm guessing since youre on Cyndia that maybe Lawpy and I's convo resolved anything, but I figured I should confirm that since it didn't seem to do much for Cyndia.

I'm having a hard time keeping up on this thread with this many players. I ISO'd you and Cyndia after someone asked me about your interactions. You seem like a villager. Not a lot of posts, but they make sense.

Cyndia seemed like she was just drumming up something to stay on your vote, without providing anything else on any other player. That read wolfy to me.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Winning: @katashark & @vetschoolsletmeinplease & @alissa14

a 3 way tie? kdubz game? oh no

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

@alissa14 why kata? she wasn't even on your naughty list

 

[Aprilthearab]

Why are you defending Zenge here, and then flip and voice suspicion of them a few posts later?

If someone makes a note that isn't completely correct, I'm going to correct it regardless of who it helps.

 

[Viscernable]

Okay held off on voting hoping to get a better read and because I didn't know where voting stood, but just saw the tally. Alissa is still my strongest wolf read, followed by Z, and I'm not leaning very wolfy on anyone on her.

yeet alissa

 

[jaboo]

I know people have to catch up, but it clutters the thread so much when we're on page 24, 20ish minutes from yeet, and people are posting responses to things said on like, page 6. It's not reflective of the current gamestate and I don't think it's actually very helpful as a result.

I know that's an unpopular opinion, but this thread is growing like crazy because of stuff like that.

Second this.

Anything major I miss btw since I’m skipping my homework? I’m assuming no because it’s D1.