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[supershorty]

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There was at least one attempted kill though since shorty was attacked

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[Barkley13]

These are a lot of words that don’t really say anything at all. I don’t feel good about visc but need to go back through and reread the voting myself when I’m home today.

I’d like to hear from @Dinashadow on how your night went. I see the jaboo claim of the rez - but even with that, I’m a little concerned we went from 3 kills to 0 kills?? This faintly reminds me of that recent game (I think end of the world?) where there was a lone wolf that killed the first night and then converted the next. I’m not at all interested in convert hunting at this point, but keeping it in the back of my mind until I better iso/assess jaboo.

In one recent game wolves (which included dubz) had the option of three extra kills that could be used at any time and multiple could be used one night and none of the extra ones used the next night so I wonder if there's some of that going on. Or if multiple people were killed but are restricted on how much or often they can kill.

 

[Viscernable]

I do feel that (from my perspective, knowing that I am a villager so there wasn't a w/w/w tie going on that forced busing) pleasey is very likely village due to voting Z instead of me when we were the 2 other wagons besides herself.

 

[Dinashadow]

These are a lot of words that don’t really say anything at all. I don’t feel good about visc but need to go back through and reread the voting myself when I’m home today.

I’d like to hear from @Dinashadow on how your night went. I see the jaboo claim of the rez - but even with that, I’m a little concerned we went from 3 kills to 0 kills?? This faintly reminds me of that recent game (I think end of the world?) where there was a lone wolf that killed the first night and then converted the next. I’m not at all interested in convert hunting at this point, but keeping it in the back of my mind until I better iso/assess jaboo.

I didn't get a notification if I was attempted to be NK'd

 

[Barkley13]

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You were attacked and it's causing you to be silenced but it wasn't an attempted kill?

 

[Barkley13]

When I wasn't reading as close yesterday I remember alley was giving me wolf vibes. Need to look back but class is starting

 

[supershorty]

You were attacked and it's causing you to be silenced but it wasn't an attempted kill?

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You were attacked and it's causing you to be silenced but it wasn't an attempted kill?

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[Lawpy]

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Man this reminds me of @Ms Procrastinator meme posting and all the fun interpretations. But given that how it was used to target shorty who is active and detailed, i think it's wolfy.

 

[Viscernable]

Has anyone made a complete record of the voting history yesterday? I'm going to read through starting on page 40 and as I go I'll record the vote changes since then if no one else has.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Has anyone made a complete record of the voting history yesterday? I'm going to read through starting on page 40 and as I go I'll record the vote changes since then if no one else has.

I think am posted a tracker at some point after close last night

 

[Lawpy]

Has anyone made a complete record of the voting history yesterday? I'm going to read through starting on page 40 and as I go I'll record the vote changes since then if no one else has.

Spoiler: Day 1 Tracker

AM (1) - April
Dina (1) - shorty
genny (1) - genny
AM (2) - April, mkg
AM (3) - April, mkg, Zenge
genny () -
chaos (1) - genny
April (1) - alley
shorty (1) - please
AM (4) - April, mkg, Zenge, mayo
AM (3) - April, mkg, mayo
MsP (1) - Zenge
MsP (2) - Zenge, Barks
chaos (2) - genny, AM
Trilt (1) - Lawpy
AM (4) - April, mkg, mayo, alissa
AM (3) - April, mkg, mayo
LIS (1) - alissa
Trilt () -
Vis (1) - Lawpy
please (1) - Cray
Lupin (1) - chaos
MsP (1) - Barks
Dina () -
shorty () -
chaos (1) - genny
genny (1) - AM
MsP () -
please (2) - Cray, Barks
mkg (1) - Cyndia
Vis () -
mkg (2) - Cyndia, Lawpy
please (3) - Cray, Barks, Dina
AM (2) - April, mayo
AM (1) - April,
jboo (1) - mayo
mkg (1) - Cyndia
Vis (1) - Lawpy
Vis (2) - Lawpy, shorty
mayo (1) - Lupin
LIS () -
Zenge (1) - LIS
April (2) - alley, kata
Zenge () -
kata (1) - LIS
Barks (1) - please
AM () -
Zenge (1) - April
please (2) - Cray, Barks
alley (1) - Dina
kata (2) - LIS, Trilt
chaos () -
Zenge (2) April, genny
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
Barks () -
Vis (3) - Lawpy, shorty, please
Trilt (1) - sunshine
jboo () -
Cyndia (1) - mayo
Vis (2) - Lawpy, shorty,
alissa (1) - please
kata (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
alissa (2) - please, alley
MsP (1) - pawprints
mkg () -
April (1) - Cyndia
please (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
cyndia () -
alissa (3) - please, alley, mayo
alissa (4) - please, alley, mayo, Vis
Zenge (3) - April, genny, Sporty
alissa (5) - please, alley, mayo, Vis, mkg
Vis (1) - Lawpy
genny (3) - AM, Zenge, shorty
alissa (6) - please, alley, mayo, Vis, mkg, jboo
kata (2) - LIS, alissa
please (4) - Cray, Barks, MsP, Trilt

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Spoiler: Day 2 Tracker

mayo (1) - Lawpy
Zenge (1) - jboo
mayo () -
kata (1) - Lawpy
genny (1) - AM
please (1) - Lupin
please (2) - Lupin, Cray
genny (2) - AM, please
kata (2) - Lawpy, LIS
please (3) - Lupin, Cray, shorty
Zenge (2) - jboo, Dina
Sporty (1) - Trilt
genny (3) - AM, please, Zenge
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
Zenge (3) - jboo, Dina, please
Sporty (2) - Trilt, Cyndia
kata (1) - Lawpy
Sporty (3) - Trilt, Cyndia, LIS
Zenge (4) - jboo, Dina, please, chaos
Zenge (3) - jboo, Dina, please
mkg (1) - chaos
genny (1) - AM
please (4) - Lupin, Cray, shorty, mkg
please (3) - Lupin, Cray, mkg
MsP (1) - alley
chaos (1) - Zenge
Cyndia (1) - mayo
Sporty (2) - Cyndia, LIS
Vis (1) - Trilt
kata () -
genny (2) - AM, Lawpy
Sporty (1) - LIS
genny (3) - AM, Lawpy, Cyndia
AM (1) - shorty
Sporty () -
kata (1) - LIS
kata (2) - LIS, pawprints
kata (1) - pawprints
Sporty (1) - LIS
MsP () -
please (4) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley
please (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley, MsP
Vis (2) - Trilt, genny
Vis (3) - Trilt, genny, kata
genny (2) - Lawpy, Cyndia
Vis (4) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM
AM () -
Zenge (4) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty
LIS (1) - Sporty
Cyndia () -
Zenge (5) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo
LIS () -
Vis (5) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty
Sporty () -
Vis (6) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty, LIS
please (6) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley, MsP, Vis
Vis (5) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty
Zenge (6) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS
Vis (4) - Trilt, kata, AM, Sporty
Zenge (7) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny
genny (1) - Cyndia
Zenge (8) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy
Vis (3) - Trilt, kata, AM
Zenge (9) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty
please (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley, MsP
Zenge (10) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis
please (4) - Cray, mkg, alley, MsP
Zenge (11) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin
chaos () -
please (5) - Cray, mkg, alley, MsP, Zenge
Vis (2) - Trilt, kata
Zenge (12) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin, LAM
please (4) - Cray, mkg, MsP, Zenge
Zenge (13) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin, AM, alley
please (3) - Cray, MsP, Zenge
Zenge (14) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin, AM, alley, mkg

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[Dinashadow]

When I wasn't reading as close yesterday I remember alley was giving me wolf vibes. Need to look back but class is starting

Yeah she was giving me wolf vibes D1. She seemed sure pleasy was village D1, but voted her yesterday when there was mounting pressure on zenge

 

[Lawpy]

I think the way the votes went in D2, zenges/pleasy/genny looks W/V/V imo, so pleasy and genny are in my village reads

 

[jaboo]

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I know this is annoying, but I love your gif usage

 

[jaboo]

I will be on later to actually analyze stuff that went down yesterday, but alas I‘m going to try on pretty wedding dresses soon and I want to enjoy that.

 

[jaboo]

I am also surprised that nothing happened to me last night because I expected either a wolf revenge kill or a “jaboo is cleared so kill her now” scenario.

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm confused by @mkg323 saying she was watched N1 after zenge told me he seered her, unless she just misinterpreted her night results. I'm trying to figure out if zenge would seer a packmate with the intent to clear both of them. He messaged me very soon after I asked him his read on her on thread to tell me that she was definitely village.

This might be too much WIFOM though

 

[WildZoo]

Day 3 Trouble! Trouble Everywhere! Vote Tally

katashark (1) - LIS
Viscernable (2) - Lawpy, Cray

3/22

Winning: ___
Missing: So many

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/6/21 (~35 hours)

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm going to iso mentions of Zenge and see what that gets me.

 

[Lawpy]

Day 3 Trouble! Trouble Everywhere! Vote Tally

katashark (1) - LIS
Viscernable (2) - Lawpy, Cray

3/22

Winning: ___
Missing: So many

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/6/21 (~35 hours)

This gif... is weirdly mesmerizing 😵

 

[Animal Midwife]

For reals tho, this game is sucking my soul to keep up with. Have our past games been this rate of posts? Is it the post minimums?

I honestly think it has to do with the newest generation having a high ratio of involvement and not wanting to be caught doing the bare minimum. Mix them with other reoccurring highposters and here we are.

 

[Cyndia]

Man this reminds me of @Ms Procrastinator meme posting and all the fun interpretations. But given that how it was used to target shorty who is active and detailed, i think it's wolfy.

Was anyone targeted with this restriction yesterday?

 

[Animal Midwife]

No , I meant like it was 4-5-5 or something and mayo made it 5-5-5 before the seer reveal , Unlikely he would do that as someone in Zenge's team

It was a vote very late in the day when it was almost guaranteed one of the three would die. Both Zenge and Vis weren't self-prezzing at this point yet either.

Whats a wolf seer btw? Does that mean there are other ww factions?

I read it as an ability seer (as wolf seers often are) which wouldn't confirm or deny the existence of other factions. I do think the no kill is more in favor of one pack though.

 

[supershorty]

Was anyone targeted with this restriction yesterday?

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[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Was anyone targeted with this restriction yesterday?

nope, or at least everyone yesterday was able to post words

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Shorty was atttacked by a wolf last night, but I don't think it was an attempted kill. Wolves definitely targeted someone last night and the kill didn't go through for some reason.

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I know how you feel shorty

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I think there was more that one wolf on the board yesterday. Visc has obviously entered the chat. There are two options with visc's pleasy vote. Either pleasy is in fact village and they were trying to save zenge, or they were trying to get the least valuable wolf (pleasy) yeeted since zenge was an affiliation seer after all. So it could be w/w/w or w/v/w (with pleasy being the villager). Dina please tell me you seered pleasy.

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM’s flip to Vis last night was weird to me. She’s wolf reading me all day, I ask her to join me on Vis, and suddenly she votes Vis??? Like no hesitation, happened within the same minute that I posted.

The lowercase smelled fresh like blueberry pie.

 

[Lawpy]

I think there was more that one wolf on the board yesterday. Visc has obviously entered the chat. There are two options with visc's pleasy vote. Either pleasy is in fact village and they were trying to save zenge, or they were trying to get the least valuable wolf (pleasy) yeeted since zenge was an affiliation seer after all. So it could be w/w/w or w/v/w (with pleasy being the villager). Dina please tell me you seered pleasy.

Feels really weird for zenges and pleasy to be bussing each other hard

 

[Lawpy]

Vissy however is a notorious busser/double busser/multibusser who can even probably outbus samacs so i'm very wary

 

[Crayola227]

Vissy’s vote (and reasoning for it) is bothering me a lot too, but I’m having a little trouble reconciling that with how fast the Vissy wagon built - I said it last night but 4 of the 5 votes on Vissy were in the last 2 hours of yeet close. I want to look at that more today. I’m not ruling out bussing on the Vissy vote given that Zenge was a seer, I could see bussing another pack member to try to keep him in the game.

This makes almost zero sense to me.

Also, in that one game D1 we had multiple wolves up for vote. I think it's possible the wagon on Visc was real in addition to the one on Z.

 

[Crayola227]

I was not thrilled how this vote built and I started it, lol.

I will say, especially with Zen's flip, most of the field I'm at least village leaning for:


Big exception being kata, who I need to look at again with her more content.

And a small hmmmph at Sporty with that vote, because like LIS pointed out last night, she'd been suspicious of Zen for the last two days but then voted Vis when it mattered...

Genny was being pushed by Zen pretty significantly, AM feels like AM to me, and at some point LIS and I are going to mind meld this game so I may as well read him less sketch, lol.

Then again this is a better explanation and I see the sketch people on it.

Why is kata your exception? Why are you village leaning her?

 

[Crayola227]

I don’t agree on AM after my ISO (I also think it’s interesting that Vissy did an AM ISO and came out with the opposite conclusion that I did) but I agree about genny, he was pushing her hard and I don’t think they’d be compatible pack mates.

I'll put genny more village AFTER she gives us more reads and insight like she did with Lawper. I have her in neutrals, a slight village lean but I really want her to continue participating.

 

[Crayola227]

do you have a reads list you could share?

I will a bit later today. Still 9 am Fantasyland.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Currently, my POE is mayo, Cyndia, Vis, kata, mkg, and alley.

 

[Crayola227]

No , I meant like it was 4-5-5 or something and mayo made it 5-5-5 before the seer reveal , Unlikely he would do that as someone in Zenge's team


I was responding to AM


Yes

Whats a wolf seer btw? Does that mean there are other ww factions?

A wolf seer can be either a role seer or affiliation seer, it depends on the mod, and I'm not sure if the write up said which one, they don't always clarify in the flip. I have definitely seen wolf role seer in single ball set ups. I don't think wolf Af seer makes sense in a single ball. Overall I personally am leaning to theory of multiball with this bit of data.

 

[Trilt]

I'm not caught up, but the one time i had a similar post restriction i found it helpful to very selectively quote people to basically make my arguments. You can combine sentences that aren't related to pretty adequately argue if you need to.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I remember there being a weird dichotomy with Cyndia saying one of genny/me having to be a wolf after leaving the Sporty vote. In conjunction with Sporty looking better from the Zenge flip + me not longer wolf reading genny, it makes me uncomfortable. I want to start here.

Yeet Cyndia

 

[Animal Midwife]

Vissy however is a notorious busser/double busser/multibusser who can even probably outbus samacs so i'm very wary

samac's not even close though...

There is regular bussing, panic bussing, and deepwolfing. Only the last two have dangerous consequences on playstyles. samac stayed in regular bussing.

 

[supershorty]

I'm not caught up, but the one time i had a similar post restriction i found it helpful to very selectively quote people to basically make my arguments. You can combine sentences that aren't related to pretty adequately argue if you need to.

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[kaydubs]

Day 3 Trouble! Trouble Everywhere! Vote Tally

katashark (1) - LIS
Viscernable (2) - Lawpy, Cray
Cyndia (1) - AM

4/22

Winning: ___
Missing: So many

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/6/21 (~33.5 hours)

 

[Lupin21]

I had mentioned yesterday I kind of felt like two wolves were up. Still not clear on Please, but alley is certainly the other one as well I was not feeling her motives being village.

vote alley

for my current outlook on life

 

[Lawpy]

samac's not even close though...

There is regular bussing, panic bussing, and deepwolfing. Only the last two have dangerous consequences on playstyles. samac stayed in regular bussing.

Yeah that's the thing. Vissy is more dangerous than samacs even though i was betrayed by both when in tot chat

 

[Crayola227]

Oh, interesting. I was suspicious of the Barks rez since there was no NK and I was wondering if wolves had the option to trade a NK for a rez conversion. I know there are many other reasons wolves may be prevented from killing, though, and the rezzer coming forward complicates things. There is always the WIFOM argument that it was a wolf rez and jaboo came forward because it would be unexpected for the wolf rezzer to do so, but I'm leaning towards that being less likely since it then ties jaboo and Barks together, and if one flipped wolf it would look bad for the other.

I believe it has happened in a game that a village rezzer's rez comes back a convert and they don't even know it. I'm watching Barks and jaboo closely

 

[Crayola227]

Jboozy is unlikely to be wolf from how hard she pushed zenges.

That's not what I got from her post. If they're a lone wolf of a different faction why wouldn't they want to take out a wolf of a different faction? That fits the theory. If there's only one wolf faction maybe not.

 

[Lupin21]

And yeah, I would have to look back about please vs zenge. When did they have each other as wolf type lean? Biggest problem I see is at least starting D1, there was a lot of pressure on zenge being read wolf, so hard to not jump on depending on experience of other wolves.

 

[Crayola227]

There was at least one attempted kill though since shorty was attacked

This is very, very weird. How do you know an attack is what silenced Shorty? And it seems Shorty is disagreeing with this theory. How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Dinashadow]

I think there was more that one wolf on the board yesterday. Visc has obviously entered the chat. There are two options with visc's pleasy vote. Either pleasy is in fact village and they were trying to save zenge, or they were trying to get the least valuable wolf (pleasy) yeeted since zenge was an affiliation seer after all. So it could be w/w/w or w/v/w (with pleasy being the villager). Dina please tell me you seered pleasy.

Why would I have seered Pleasy? There were two other wagons (vis and genny) that wolves could've gotten on instead to save both of them

 

[supershorty]

This is very, very weird. How do you know an attack is what silenced Shorty? And it seems Shorty is disagreeing with this theory. How did you come to this conclusion?

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[Lupin21]

Why would I have seered Pleasy? There were two other wagons (vis and genny) that wolves could've gotten on instead to save both of them

But oh that cred for being on a wolf if two were on the board, you would want to save the more valuable. Too many what ifs for me to evaluate properly I think at this point, but I don't think we should clear please.