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Day 2

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It's not that I think I'm smarter than everyone else in Rapture. It's that I am. I hardly need plasmids to make myself useful to Frank Fontaine, but they do give me a nice edge. My real talent lies in my powers of perception...and my honest face.

Since she'd only spliced a couple of times, her deformities were minimal, and the doctor had been able to fix them up. This was before he went a little...mad. Early days, you know. And she'd been with Fontaine Futuristics ever since. No one in Athena's Glory suspected. They couldn't help it - she was smart, beautiful, charismatic. They had no idea that she was spying on them at night.

But a spy is only as good as her ability to stay hidden, and she'd attracted the attention of an old friend. Someone who knew her face, from before. The other residents of Athena's Glory turned on her, and soon all of Dr. Steinman's hard work had been reversed.

Dead is @Zenge142 , who was Kirsti Rizzi, a wolf seer.

It is now Night 2. Night closes at 10am EST.

21 players remain

Neptune's Bounty

1. @Animal Midwife
4. @Dinashadow
5. @pawprintsandponytails

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty
12. @Lawpy
14. @SportPonies

Hephaestus
15. @genny
16. @mkg323
17. @Cyndia

Olympus Heights
19. @Ms Procrastinator
20. @Viscernable
21. @alleycat03
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. @katashark
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager
zenge - wolf seer

Subs:
1. @samac

Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting
 
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So... still not busy? 😉

For real I'm not sure what you mean?

I'm really not looking forward to work. Not sure what it's like where you're at, but angry, pissed off, cursing, frustrated customers coupled with 6-8 hour wait times all weekend in our ER, coupled with cranky overworked specialists grumping about transfers coupled with overworked staff coupled with covid restrictions coupled with not being able to do in-person euth.....

.... there are days I wish I did <anything> other than this.

Nah, genny, I was being real.
 
So I see a lot of people calling me out for minimal posting , I am spending like half an hour before work and a half hour after on this game and due to the sheer volume of posts I spend a most of that time reading
 
So I see a lot of people calling me out for minimal posting , I am spending like half an hour before work and a half hour after on this game and due to the sheer volume of posts I spend a most of that time reading
Good Lord.
 
this post pushed you further into village. i get the logic there now
when i read someone's iso's i read the posts without their commentary first, as if its my own iso (its lazy, i have no excuse for that lol)
especially shorty's iso's. they tend to be very comprehensive
i then read through the comments with the commentary of the person who actually did the iso and assess if i like agree or disagree
and then i think the doing an iso of their interactions before i had a solid footing on my genny read was actually ok to do, but i can understand your perspective on it. pack hunting definitely messes up stuff sometimes, but in this specific instance, i think it was valuable. especially with how the interactions proceeded throughout the day, it was helpful to me to see how they interacted and let that give me more info for the reads on either of them.
i might iso trilt to see what i think there and develop that read a bit more, but im struggling to see the point when im pretty sure im gettin yotted tonight in a way where i don't think i can convince all y'all im village. if i live until tomorrow i'll definitely iso trilt but i dont see that happening. i also kinda agree with some people's ideas that my flip will better inform everyone. plus i kinda wanna go party in the deadchat.
Please add some paragraph breaks. I just can't do these posts.
 
you guys aren't allowing people in for euths? That's our one exception for the hospital. :c

Doctor discretion. Probably about half are, half aren't. We have an infectious disease exam room that has outdoor access that from in there goes directly into our isolation ward. We were using that room for euth because of the outdoor access (minimizes clients moving through the hospital), but some ground swell during winter screwed the door until spring thaw so now it's vestibule only. That's tough because it's our only entry/exit for animals, so if I tie it up doing a euth and some crisis case crashes through the door ... real awkward.

I <was> doing euth for people that presented, let me work up their case, and then they decided to euthanize. If people called ahead, I was declining in-person euth. To me that balanced compassion: people who weren't expecting to lose their pet could still do in-person, people who were could call around to other facilities, and it let me minimize my risk. (I have some chronic pulmonary issues that put me somewhat at higher risk.)

But in my experience, literally at least 50% of the people who are explicitly told twice in the process that they are required to wear a mask covering their mouth and nose the entire time they are in the facility .... still take it off when it comes time to euth.

So now (because people can't seem to keep their masks on and because of the entry/exit issue) I'm considering just going to a hard pass, at least until I'm vaccinated. Which apparently won't be until about 2050 here in Minnesota, where veterinarians are apparently considered about as important as, um, well, nobody.
 
Also as for why I moved from Zenge to mkg , I did notice Zenge had some scummy things in his iso but I didnt have as much conviction in my read on him as compared to the read on mkg , quite possibly because when I last looked at the game , Zenge's vote was having very little resistance. Obviously it seems to have changed in the latter part of the day and I would have switched if I had been here
 
I kind of wish you'd sat on this and talked to Zen a bit longer. Having a wolf who you know is sketch, can watch the voting patterns and has an open conversation with you is absolutely a rare event and I absolutely would have played along for a bit myself.

I also think mkg is a kind of interesting first night seer for a wolfpack and that makes me want to look at their suspicions a bit more. There had been a non-zero amount of shade in that direction and being an almost totally new player that's not usually the first place people look.
yeah, as you've seen, you can take a village lead and just encourage people to vote for your suspect. LIS does it, as does AM and numerous others. It doesn't always work out of course, but that's what it means to be a leader. You don't have to out yourself necessarily going that route instead. You may still end up dead, but not because they know 100percent you have a role. haha
 
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I can barely tolerate my dogs getting a vaccine without me there.

I can’t imagine being expected to leave them alone for euth. That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard.
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I don't disagree. But also consider that for me it is <very> close contact and it's <lots> of people and they have incentive to be dishonest about their own exposure (nobody wants to say "why yes, I have covid" and get told they can't be present) and there is a LOT of upper respiratory discharge going on (tears, crying, sniffling, sneezing, etc.) and I have chronic pulmonary issues and as an ER doc I euthanize a LOT of pets.

All it takes is one to take me out of commission.

It is the way it is. If people would just wear their damn masks like I ask them to, that'd probably be enough. But when I say 50% I am not kidding. And they are told TWICE before the procedure (by me and my staff) very, very explicitly what the expectations are (along with signage) and it's still not enough.

Given all that ... too bad so sad. I gave people a chance. I do feel bad for the good folks out there; but I don't feel like <I'm> ruining it for them, I feel like they can thank all the folks who just can't follow a simple rule.
 
Doctor discretion. Probably about half are, half aren't. We have an infectious disease exam room that has outdoor access that from in there goes directly into our isolation ward. We were using that room for euth because of the outdoor access (minimizes clients moving through the hospital), but some ground swell during winter screwed the door until spring thaw so now it's vestibule only. That's tough because it's our only entry/exit for animals, so if I tie it up doing a euth and some crisis case crashes through the door ... real awkward.

I <was> doing euth for people that presented, let me work up their case, and then they decided to euthanize. If people called ahead, I was declining in-person euth. To me that balanced compassion: people who weren't expecting to lose their pet could still do in-person, people who were could call around to other facilities, and it let me minimize my risk. (I have some chronic pulmonary issues that put me somewhat at higher risk.)

But in my experience, literally at least 50% of the people who are explicitly told twice in the process that they are required to wear a mask covering their mouth and nose the entire time they are in the facility .... still take it off when it comes time to euth.

So now (because people can't seem to keep their masks on and because of the entry/exit issue) I'm considering just going to a hard pass, at least until I'm vaccinated. Which apparently won't be until about 2050 here in Minnesota, where veterinarians are apparently considered about as important as, um, well, nobody.

That just absolutely sucks. For clients, for you, ugh. And 100% agree, at least half end up losing the mask as things get snotty and teary and just sad so that's not the focus anymore.

We were in the general population until our state VMA threw a fit, and now we're in ag/public health worker and starting vaccines now... definitely makes me more comfortable in general with working more closely with the public.
 
not game related, but very important:

please be nicer to each other. you are all beautiful wonderful people, who are very smart (look at all them higher degrees!). If there's one thing going to friendship therapy ( from kindergarten thru 4th grade taught me, it is that you dont want to hurt someone's heart with unkind words, and when you do, it is important you apologize even if you dont understand why the words were unkind.
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yes please including to dead players who keep getting insulted still and aren’t able to defend themselves
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I have read it but not as deep as I would have liked to analyse tbf. How much time do you guys spend on this?
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I’m on an inpatient sub-Internship at my #1 residency with 13 hour shifts and associated reading, an exam tomorrow, and I’m in the middle of Match stress.

and I’m dead.

I’ve spent 3.5 hours on this game on this calendar day.
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From votes , I think we can safely conclude that mayo is not in team with Zenge
 
Wolf leans: please, zenge
Starting to lean wolfy: pawprints, april
Neutral, cray, trilt, mayo, sporty, genny, MsP, visc, alley, lainey, sunshine, cyndia, mkg, kata, chaos, LIS
Slightly village: dina, alissa (but super disagree with her AM and MsP leans), shorty, lupin
Village leans: AM, lawpy

In retrospect, I now have a theory why Barkley died...
 
Which apparently won't be until about 2050 here in Minnesota, where veterinarians are apparently considered about as important as, um, well, nobody.
Same in TN
Might be able to swing in on the preexisting conditions phase though, so maybe that would work for you too? Not sure how strict they're being on it.
 
I just realized MsP is playing this game. I probably would have been blissfully unaware too, until 5 minutes to yeet close when she comes on with a flurry of posts to meet requirements, a suspicious amount of thread knowledge, and vote to make a tie. I’m not sure my stomach lining can take the chaos that is MsP.

UNYEET AM
YEET MsP
Migrated MsP more village (despite not a ton of content from her that's convincing yet) because this was an early on post and I don't necessarily see it w/w.

Genny is my strongest, followed by Kata.

Weaker reads: I still really don’t like how Jaboo attacked me for literally just being on the thread at yeet close. (I know April disagreed that it was an attack, you might too, but it’s hard for me to interpret that situation any other way, and is still not answering my questions about it and providing reads so I’m not going to let it go, but I’m willing to realize it might just be a personal bias at this point.

Not feeling great about Chaos’s lack of thread presencebut whatever, not at the top of the list or anything, and he does seem to be wolf hunting when he is here. I’d still like to see more though.

I was leaning pretty heavily on Cyndia for pushing MKG for a bad reason (at least I think so) and then doubling down on it, but I’m feeling a little better about her after posting the reads list she did.

MsP is still someone I’m keeping my eye on, but I was pleasantly surprised by her coming on and posting reads and contributing to the conversation more than what I was expecting. I’m glad to be wrong on that.

I’d like to see sporty, prints, and Vis all catch up and contribute more.
This is kind of a nothing statement because he listed a whole lot of people, but there's prob at least one wolf in this all.

I've pushed genny more village because of how he was pushing her pretty intensely over multiple days, but he also backed off so fast when she posted wolf reads that it caught my eye. Not as much of a clear as I'd sometimes assume.

So after iso'ing Sporty given Zenge being a wolf, I'm gonna accept one of the two:

1) Either Sporty is playing a fine wolf game; or

2) I have to eat my words.

Sporty was fairly consistent about Zenge being top of her list.

For now, I'll go with 2.

contingent lynch Kata (if mods are accepting contingencies)

I am going into my Fri/Sat/Sun of work, so there's a good chance I don't even make minimum post count. As always, I abide the LIS rule and expect nobody to grant me grace for this, but it's still the truth.
I was going to go back and argue that Sporty's posts were all after n1 and thus if they were notified of the seering, it could be a cover... but no, she was pretty much pushing Zen from the getgo. Definitely more comfortable leaving that be for a while.
 
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Zenge is giving me bad vibes this game.
Zenge is continuing to not make me feel any better about him. He went from overly formal and friendly to very reactive and aggro when slightly pushed and I don't know where that's coming from. That isn't village!Zenge.
April too, actually.

I really think that Kata, Cyndia, and Chaos could be in a pack.
I think this was an interesting statement from Zenge, especially if he was notified in any way that he might have been seered. I think as we go forward and dina looks at other people (and they get notified/don't), we need to use that knowledge to evaluate d2.
 
not game related, but very important:

please be nicer to each other. you are all beautiful wonderful people, who are very smart (look at all them higher degrees!). If there's one thing going to friendship therapy ( from kindergarten thru 4th grade taught me, it is that you dont want to hurt someone's heart with unkind words, and when you do, it is important you apologize even if you dont understand why the words were unkind.
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Lol I remembered there are several people on the thread who weren't here the couple of times ive mentioned it and maybe saw friendship therapy and now think i am a deeply disturbed person.
I'm ridin' the spectrum, and Behavioral Skills Therapy was a big part of my childhood- but how do you tell a 7 year old that they're doing BST? You tell them it's friendship lessons/friendship therapy
so deeply disturbed? quite the opposite. aloof and unaware of when i say mean things sometimes🙂
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This was pretty early in the day, and as things progressed sunshine's reads definitely focused on me and Lawpy... but worth noting they also had Zenge as a wolf lean in a pretty sparse spreadsheet. AM and genny, too.

Alrighty, I'm done for the night.
 
AM (1) - April
Dina (1) - shorty
genny (1) - genny
AM (2) - April, mkg
AM (3) - April, mkg, Zenge
genny () -
chaos (1) - genny
April (1) - alley
shorty (1) - please
AM (4) - April, mkg, Zenge, mayo
AM (3) - April, mkg, mayo
MsP (1) - Zenge
MsP (2) - Zenge, Barks
chaos (2) - genny, AM
Trilt (1) - Lawpy
AM (4) - April, mkg, mayo, alissa
AM (3) - April, mkg, mayo
LIS (1) - alissa
Trilt () -
Vis (1) - Lawpy
please (1) - Cray
Lupin (1) - chaos
MsP (1) - Barks
Dina () -
shorty () -
chaos (1) - genny
genny (1) - AM
MsP () -
please (2) - Cray, Barks
mkg (1) - Cyndia
Vis () -
mkg (2) - Cyndia, Lawpy
please (3) - Cray, Barks, Dina
AM (2) - April, mayo
AM (1) - April,
jboo (1) - mayo
mkg (1) - Cyndia
Vis (1) - Lawpy
Vis (2) - Lawpy, shorty
mayo (1) - Lupin
LIS () -
Zenge (1) - LIS
April (2) - alley, kata
Zenge () -
kata (1) - LIS
Barks (1) - please
AM () -
Zenge (1) - April
please (2) - Cray, Barks
alley (1) - Dina
kata (2) - LIS, Trilt
chaos () -
Zenge (2) April, genny
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
Barks () -
Vis (3) - Lawpy, shorty, please
Trilt (1) - sunshine
jboo () -
Cyndia (1) - mayo
Vis (2) - Lawpy, shorty,
alissa (1) - please
kata (3) - LIS, Trilt, alissa
alissa
(2) - please, alley
MsP (1) - pawprints
mkg () -
April (1) - Cyndia
please (3) - Cray, Barks, MsP
cyndia () -
alissa (3) - please, alley, mayo
alissa (4) - please, alley, mayo, Vis
Zenge (3) - April, genny, Sporty
alissa (5) - please, alley, mayo, Vis, mkg
Vis (1) - Lawpy
genny (3) - AM, Zenge, shorty
alissa (6) - please, alley, mayo, Vis, mkg, jboo
kata (2) - LIS, alissa
please (4) - Cray, Barks, MsP, Trilt

26/26
mayo (1) - Lawpy
Zenge (1) - jboo
mayo () -
kata (1) - Lawpy
genny (1) - AM
please (1) - Lupin
please (2) - Lupin, Cray
genny (2) - AM, please
kata (2) - Lawpy, LIS
please (3) - Lupin, Cray, shorty
Zenge (2) - jboo, Dina
Sporty (1) - Trilt
genny (3) - AM, please, Zenge
genny (2) - AM, Zenge
Zenge (3) - jboo, Dina, please
Sporty (2) - Trilt, Cyndia
kata (1) - Lawpy
Sporty (3) - Trilt, Cyndia, LIS
Zenge (4) - jboo, Dina, please, chaos
Zenge (3) - jboo, Dina, please
mkg (1) - chaos
genny (1) - AM
please (4) - Lupin, Cray, shorty, mkg
please (3) - Lupin, Cray, mkg
MsP (1) - alley
chaos (1) - Zenge
Cyndia (1) - mayo
Sporty (2) - Cyndia, LIS
Vis (1) - Trilt
kata () -
genny (2) - AM, Lawpy
Sporty (1) - LIS
genny (3) - AM, Lawpy, Cyndia
AM (1) - shorty
Sporty () -
kata (1) - LIS
kata (2) - LIS, pawprints
kata (1) - pawprints
Sporty (1) - LIS
MsP () -
please (4) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley
please (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley, MsP
Vis (2) - Trilt, genny
Vis (3) - Trilt, genny, kata
genny (2) - Lawpy, Cyndia
Vis (4) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM
AM () -
Zenge (4) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty
LIS (1) - Sporty
Cyndia () -
Zenge (5) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo
LIS () -
Vis (5) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty
Sporty () -
Vis (6) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty, LIS
please (6) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley, MsP, Vis
Vis (5) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty
Zenge (6) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS
Vis (4) - Trilt, kata, AM, Sporty
Zenge (7) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny
genny (1) - Cyndia
Zenge (8) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy
Vis (3) - Trilt, kata, AM
Zenge (9) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty
please (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alley, MsP
Zenge (10) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis
please (4) - Cray, mkg, alley, MsP
Zenge (11) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin
chaos () -
please (5) - Cray, mkg, alley, MsP, Zenge
Vis (2) - Trilt, kata
Zenge (12) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin, LAM
please (4) - Cray, mkg, MsP, Zenge
Zenge (13) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin, AM, alley
please (3) - Cray, MsP, Zenge
Zenge (14) - jboo, Dina, please, shorty, mayo, LIS, genny, Lawpy, Sporty, Vis, Lupin, AM, alley, mkg

23/23
 
well , it might be high IQ scum play but iirc this was before the seer claim and letmein was about to be lynched
 
Day 2 No Gods Or Kings, Only Man Vote Tally

mayo ()
Zenge (5) - jaboo, Dina, vetschoolsplz, supershorty, mayo
katashark (1) - pawprints
genny (2) - Lawpy, Cyndia
vetschoolsplz (5) - Lupin, Cray, mkg, alleycat, MsP
Sporty (1) - LIS
mkg (1) - Chaostrodon
MsP ()
Viscernable (5) - Trilt, genny, kata, AM, Sporty
Chaostrodon (1) - Zenge
Cyndia ()
AM ()

21/22

Leading: @vetschoolsletmeinplease, @Viscernable , @Zenge142

Missing: @Viscernable

Vote/Yeet deadline closes TODAY at 10pm Eastern, Thursday, 3/4/2021 (~10 minutes)

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3 way tie
Alright Trilt, I'll bite. I've been burned by you before, and I feel this is one of those "fool me once, shame on you, fool me the next million times, shame on me" situations, but.....

unlynch Sports - who I really want to lynch

and

lynch Vis
LIS breaks the tie by putting vissy in lead
Okay well I think it’s late enough to spill the beans. I’ve been agonizing over how to approach this since I received my night results and I was hoping to do this in a subtle way that would allow me to stay alive, but between my one village read in my PM group (April) dying and the PM zenge sent me I know this is probably the only way that I can bring a wolf down

Zenge is 100% a wolf. I had suspicions and investigated him last night cycle and he came back wolf. My plan was to get April on my side to help me get him yeeted without me revealing myself, but that plan obviously completely disintegrated. Then after I started questioning zenge on thread he sent me a PM trying to tell me he knew MKG was village because he was a seer (which was a good chuckle for me) clearly trying to pocket me.

I figured he was going to use it as a role reveal tonight if he was up for yeet, which pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for me, because I have to reveal, but that’s okay because at least I can bring a wolf down and hopefully enough discussion has been generated that village can narrow their POEs tomorrow.

I would be looking at people who were hedging on zenge and voting either genny or pleasy because I think they were the counter wagons

I haven’t looked too much into Lupin and Trilt, but I’m worried about Trilt too.

So please yeet zenge. I think we especially need to know his role, and if he does somehow have seering capabilities I think that puts the extra factions as very likely and would honestly change everything.
Dina claim
Vote pleasey

z’s been a much stronger wolf read, pleasey mostly neutral, but I’m going to put more stock in votes than my bad ability to read tone
Vissy creates a tie by voting pleasy
 
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