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samac said:
I actually missed this and remember him saying he was ok with alley or vis.
I do believe he also made a comment about not being afraid of bussing and now I'm doing a lot of WIFOM as did he say that to seem more village as a wolf or as a villager to comment on wolf strategy?
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alley really didn't need to be bussed there so seems excessive to do so. On D4? Sure, I can see tons of bussing. On D3 when there were at least two perfect viable village counters? Nah.
 
POI
Previous reads stand for all except kata/samac

Paws (not that one)-see previous reads. Never really been impressed with their reads list.
Kata/Samac. Kata was doing pretty horribly and Samac is playing differently so that is slightly off putting.
Cyndia- I feel it's kinda weird that she was silenced right after she was restricted yesterday, but she does give a lot of feels from previous plays.
Mayo- previous reads plus slight feels.
Pleasy-My zenge, vis, pleasy pack thing fell through.

Lupin21 said:
I'm not sure. I can't tell if Cyndia is misvote or there are just to few wolves left to move things around.
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Same

I don't know who needs to hear this, but don't go around smoking weird cigarettes from strangers.
 
I don't know if I like the cyndia vote anymore. I kind of want to hear her side tomorrow. I don't know why she was gif restricted yesterday and silenced today. There are just too many things that aren't adding up

unyeet cyndia

yeet katamac
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
POI
Previous reads stand for all except kata/samac

Paws (not that one)-see previous reads. Never really been impressed with their reads list.
Kata/Samac. Kata was doing pretty horribly and Samac is playing differently so that is slightly off putting.
Cyndia- I feel it's kinda weird that she was silenced right after she was restricted yesterday, but she does give a lot of feels from previous plays.
Mayo- previous reads plus slight feels.
Pleasy-My zenge, vis, pleasy pack thing fell through.


Same

I don't know who needs to hear this, but don't go around smoking weird cigarettes from strangers.
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:eyebrow:

I'm playing differently that kata? That's because I'm a different person and I'm actually trying.
I'm playing differently than my last game? Because I was a wolf.
 
Dinashadow said:
I don't know if I like the cyndia vote anymore. I kind of want to hear her side tomorrow. I don't know why she was gif restricted yesterday and silenced today. There are just too many things that aren't adding up

unyeet cyndia

yeet katamac
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I'm cool with the move off Cyndia but may I recommend another target instead?
You even wolved with me and I'd think you'd know better with how much actual effort I've put into trying to wolf hunt.
 
Animal Midwife said:
alley really didn't need to be bussed there so seems excessive to do so. On D4? Sure, I can see tons of bussing. On D3 when there were at least two perfect viable village counters? Nah.
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This doesn't make sense to me. When viable village counters were present seems like the perfect time to bus for cred.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Affiliations that are third-parties (aka 3p):

chaos
neutral
3p
serial killer
cult leader
survivor
jester
and infinite others
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Animal Midwife said:
I think you might be confusing 3p with a different ww term because it's 100% appropriate to use here.

3p is to neutral as vote is to yeet.
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I'll just agree that a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't a square and drop it, lol.

I still think Dina actually asking what the mods of this current game mean by neutral is best. Go to the source, see what the answer is (it'll probably be hedgey af but never hurts to try) and assess from there.

I hate multiple silenced characters.

Crayola227 said:
For the purpose of clarity I will reveal I used the cigarettes. You use them on a night, your action is doubled that same night, and then you are silenced the following day. Your vote once cast by mod PM is permanent and cannot be switched. You cannot like posts on thread, but I asked Dubz if non-strat posts were OK and she said yes. Kaydubs later expressed some disapproval about this.
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It still blows my mind a little that wolves saw mkg was silenced and still decided to use a cig on their blocker the upcoming night. I could have maybe justified it if you had to elect to use it the night prior (so they wouldn't have seen the side effect prior to them being forced to use it), but I just genuinely don't know what to think here.

On the bright side, between potentially mkg, cray, alley, lawp and cyndia we'd be looking at all five cigs in the initial circus of values used up?
 
samac said:
I actually missed this and remember him saying he was ok with alley or vis.
I do believe he also made a comment about not being afraid of bussing and now I'm doing a lot of WIFOM as did he say that to seem more village as a wolf or as a villager to comment on wolf strategy?
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True story - I'm not afraid to bus at all.

If you think I bus'd alley, then roll with it. I won't hold it against you that you're wrong.

I do think it looks suspiciously retributory, though -- I've been after kata all game and suddenly you come in and I'm one of your top picks? Meh. That sorta smells.
 
LetItSnow said:
True story - I'm not afraid to bus at all.

If you think I bus'd alley, then roll with it. I won't hold it against you that you're wrong.

I do think it looks suspiciously retributory, though -- I've been after kata all game and suddenly you come in and I'm one of your top picks? Meh. That sorta smells.
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I noted when I started I was going to look into the kata tunnelers because I now know she's village. I realize my word isn't worth much on that given I'm in the role, but it allowed me to look back at who was going after the easy misyeet. I would have done the same thing if I was a villager and kata flipped village, I just had the pleasure of stepping into the role instead.
 
samac said:
I'm cool with the move off Cyndia but may I recommend another target instead?
You even wolved with me and I'd think you'd know better with how much actual effort I've put into trying to wolf hunt.
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So is the use of the phrase "up their butt" NAI? :laugh:

It's hard because you just subbed in. If it's not you or cyndia then who? Pawprints seems like a nooby villager, Trilt's VCA sucks, but she's been playing village. Maybe MsP 🤔
 
Day 5 You Were Born To Do Great Things Vote Tally

Cyndia (6) - AM, LIS, Trilt, Lupin, pawprints, mayo
Chaostrodon ()
mayo (1) - Cray
samac (3) - supershorty, Barks, Dina
pawprints (3) - jaboo, vetschoolsplz, Cyndia
LIS (1) - samac

14/17

winning: @Cyndia

Missing: @Ms Procrastinator @Lawpy @Chaostrodon

Deadline: 10pm EST on 3/10/21 (~50 minutes)

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samac said:
:eyebrow:

I'm playing differently that kata? That's because I'm a different person and I'm actually trying.
I'm playing differently than my last game? Because I was a wolf.
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I don't think I've ever played with you before. I'm saying that kata's play was a lilttle wolfy and your play kinda leans village, but that might just be how you play and not the role that you subbed into.
 
Hm. So people want to give Cyndia a pass tonight? I'm ... ugh. I really don't like Cyndia's radar-dodging play and don't want to lose to that strategy.

I'd move to Samac because I've been on that all game anyway, but Lupes is giving me pause.

I don't know how I feel about mayo.

I'm giving Trilt a pass, for better or worse.

Crayola I've decided to place village, also for better or worse.

Dina I'm assuming is still village.

Not gonna vote Lawpy.

AM .... AM's style is rubbing me the wrong way, and so I'm trying to set that aside. Awfully aggressive and active for wolf play, though.

I guess I could vote paws. But it's more because I've moved a bunch of people villager.

ETA: Forgot MsP. Early MsP made me lean wolf. I feel like the last 3 real-life days though MsP is pro-village.

samac said:
I noted when I started I was going to look into the kata tunnelers because I now know she's village. I realize my word isn't worth much on that given I'm in the role, but it allowed me to look back at who was going after the easy misyeet. I would have done the same thing if I was a villager and kata flipped village, I just had the pleasure of stepping into the role instead.
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Ok, but now you're sending mixed signals. Pretty much by definition a tunneler is a villager tunneling a villager. It's not tunneling if you're (samac) a wolf.

So if you think I was tunneling, why do you have me wolf?

Also, I don't know how you can say it's an "easy misyeet" since I've had absolutely no success getting people to vote you/kata so far.
 
Trilt said:
I still think Dina actually asking what the mods of this current game mean by neutral is best. Go to the source, see what the answer is (it'll probably be hedgey af but never hurts to try) and assess from there.
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I mean I'll ask, but I have a feeling I know what the answer will be
 
##### unyeet Mayo ####
####yeet Prints ####

Doesn't look like my mayo flip is going to happen, and I want to see what will happen. I would like to see a Prints flip as well and a good case has been made on her based on her reads and low posting, the wolf chat theory.
 
LetItSnow said:
Hm. So people want to give Cyndia a pass tonight? I'm ... ugh. I really don't like Cyndia's radar-dodging play and don't want to lose to that strategy.

I'd move to Samac because I've been on that all game anyway, but Lupes is giving me pause.

I don't know how I feel about mayo.

I'm giving Trilt a pass, for better or worse.

Crayola I've decided to place village, also for better or worse.

Dina I'm assuming is still village.

Not gonna vote Lawpy.

AM .... AM's style is rubbing me the wrong way, and so I'm trying to set that aside. Awfully aggressive and active for wolf play, though.

I guess I could vote paws. But it's more because I've moved a bunch of people villager.

ETA: Forgot MsP. Early MsP made me lean wolf. I feel like the last 3 real-life days though MsP is pro-village.



Ok, but now you're sending mixed signals. Pretty much by definition a tunneler is a villager tunneling a villager. It's not tunneling if you're (samac) a wolf.

So if you think I was tunneling, why do you have me wolf?

Also, I don't know how you can say it's an "easy misyeet" since I've had absolutely no success getting people to vote you/kata so far.
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Yes, agreed wolfy tunneling should be designated by calling it wolfy or fake tunneling.
 
Ms Procrastinator said:
It's hard when one player subs in for another cause they both play one role extremely different
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Yup. I've always been a fan of mod-smiting instead of subbing, unless it's like D1.

Problem is that it messes with your game design/balance.

Which leads to all sorts of WICOM "maybe they HAD to sub kata because kata had an important wolf role".... 🙂
 
samac said:
I noted when I started I was going to look into the kata tunnelers because I now know she's village. I realize my word isn't worth much on that given I'm in the role, but it allowed me to look back at who was going after the easy misyeet. I would have done the same thing if I was a villager and kata flipped village, I just had the pleasure of stepping into the role instead.
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The case against kata seemed to be based off of activity from day 1, which is something I've been saying most of the time.

I'm too tired to track down who was tunneling on her the most, but I'm guessing you already have.

Who pings your radar as taking the easy tunnel that isn't otherwise likely cleared?
 
Crayola227 said:
##### unyeet Mayo ####
####yeet Prints ####

Doesn't look like my mayo flip is going to happen, and I want to see what will happen. I would like to see a Prints flip as well and a good case has been made on her based on her reads and low posting, the wolf chat theory.
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Can you walk me through - or point me to a post where you likely already did it - your case on Mayo?

I feel like I'm barely aware Mayo is playing.
 
holdthemayo said:
The case against kata seemed to be based off of activity from day 1, which is something I've been saying most of the time.

I'm too tired to track down who was tunneling on her the most, but I'm guessing you already have.

Who pings your radar as taking the easy tunnel that isn't otherwise likely cleared?
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Pretty sure I'm the one who has .... focused .... on kata the most long-term. I don't think (or recall) that I was the one who really started it, but I got on it and haven't let go.

I'm not going to call it tunneling unless she flips villager. 🙂
 
Dinashadow said:
So is the use of the phrase "up their butt" NAI? :laugh:

It's hard because you just subbed in. If it's not you or cyndia then who? Pawprints seems like a nooby villager, Trilt's VCA sucks, but she's been playing village. Maybe MsP 🤔
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Is paws as noob as she has been letting on? I think she has played enough to not have the noob card, no?
I'd like either LIS or Chaos to flip.
LetItSnow said:
Hm. So people want to give Cyndia a pass tonight? I'm ... ugh. I really don't like Cyndia's radar-dodging play and don't want to lose to that strategy.

I'd move to Samac because I've been on that all game anyway, but Lupes is giving me pause.

I don't know how I feel about mayo.

I'm giving Trilt a pass, for better or worse.

Crayola I've decided to place village, also for better or worse.

Dina I'm assuming is still village.

Not gonna vote Lawpy.

AM .... AM's style is rubbing me the wrong way, and so I'm trying to set that aside. Awfully aggressive and active for wolf play, though.

I guess I could vote paws. But it's more because I've moved a bunch of people villager.

ETA: Forgot MsP. Early MsP made me lean wolf. I feel like the last 3 real-life days though MsP is pro-village.



Ok, but now you're sending mixed signals. Pretty much by definition a tunneler is a villager tunneling a villager. It's not tunneling if you're (samac) a wolf.

So if you think I was tunneling, why do you have me wolf?

Also, I don't know how you can say it's an "easy misyeet" since I've had absolutely no success getting people to vote you/kata so far.
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Then tunneling thing is just semantics and I think you know that. I used the term as focusing on a player, I'll stick to up butthole from now on if that makes it more clear.
It's an easy target for a wolf to misyeet I'd say, no suspicious thrown on you for constantly pushing kata as she was relatively inactive and that's easy to target. I did this when I was a wolf.
 
LetItSnow said:
Pretty sure I'm the one who has .... focused .... on kata the most long-term. I don't think (or recall) that I was the one who really started it, but I got on it and haven't let go.

I'm not going to call it tunneling unless she flips villager. 🙂
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If I'm yeeted tonight when I flip villager I hope they look long and hard at you.
 
holdthemayo said:
The case against kata seemed to be based off of activity from day 1, which is something I've been saying most of the time.

I'm too tired to track down who was tunneling on her the most, but I'm guessing you already have.

Who pings your radar as taking the easy tunnel that isn't otherwise likely cleared?
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Tunnel is the wrong term mayo, the proper term is up the butthole.

Trilt is the other person who has been consistently pushing kata, but her posts read soooo village but her voting history is so bad.
 
LetItSnow said:
Can you walk me through - or point me to a post where you likely already did it - your case on Mayo?

I feel like I'm barely aware Mayo is playing.
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It's a lot of things, I can see Mayo and Zenge hatching a plan for bussing from the start, the placement of his vote on the wagon isn't clearing, and Mayo's continued quote dropping despite me telling him at some point we can't trust he's just a villager messing around. He also seems to have gotten more serious as well, and people read jokey mayo as village and serious as wolf. I also don't know the quote dropping is really joke at this point either.

I think at minimum he might be 3P. I'll take a sure 3P yeet over a possible villager misyeet any day of the week. Eventually 3P must die by endgame, and I've been burned by kicking it down the road. Did that with a wolfy lawpy once too.

I'm happy to yeet Cyndia tomorrow if she doesn't have any good answers.
 
samac said:
Is paws as noob as she has been letting on? I think she has played enough to not have the noob card, no?
I'd like either LIS or Chaos to flip.

Then tunneling thing is just semantics and I think you know that. I used the term as focusing on a player, I'll stick to up butthole from now on if that makes it more clear.
It's an easy target for a wolf to misyeet I'd say, no suspicious thrown on you for constantly pushing kata as she was relatively inactive and that's easy to target. I did this when I was a wolf.
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She played emojis but died on D1 and had barely posted so idk

Her reads list yesterday was wild enough to me to make me think she wasn't a wolf
 
samac said:
Is paws as noob as she has been letting on? I think she has played enough to not have the noob card, no?
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I'm not sure she's played any other games besides our noob game and Emojis, where she died on D1.
 
LetItSnow said:
Pretty sure I'm the one who has .... focused .... on kata the most long-term. I don't think (or recall) that I was the one who really started it, but I got on it and haven't let go.

I'm not going to call it tunneling unless she flips villager. 🙂
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Does the change in player/playstyle change your opinion of her/them at all?

Especially the PM chat, since I can't see that.
 
Crayola227 said:
It's a lot of things, I can see Mayo and Zenge hatching a plan for bussing from the start, the placement of his vote on the wagon isn't clearing, and Mayo's continued quote dropping despite me telling him at some point we can't trust he's just a villager messing around. He also seems to have gotten more serious as well, and people read jokey mayo as village and serious as wolf. I also don't know the quote dropping is really joke at this point either.

I think at minimum he might be 3P. I'll take a sure 3P yeet over a possible villager misyeet any day of the week. Eventually 3P must die by endgame, and I've been burned by kicking it down the road. Did that with a wolfy lawpy once too.

I'm happy to yeet Cyndia tomorrow if she doesn't have any good answers.
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I can't tell if you think I'm a wolf or a 3P who has to say "Wisconsin" 60 times.

You've pushed both theories pretty hard today. They're both wrong, but they would also be mutually exclusive.
 
samac said:
I noted when I started I was going to look into the kata tunnelers because I now know she's village. I realize my word isn't worth much on that given I'm in the role, but it allowed me to look back at who was going after the easy misyeet. I would have done the same thing if I was a villager and kata flipped village, I just had the pleasure of stepping into the role instead.
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So... are you arguing that you don't think kata's play up to this point was sketchy?

I understand you're obviously saying that you come from a village point, now. But she's had very legitimate questioning throughout the game that didn't just have to do with her being quiet. If you hadn't taken over and I thought I could assess more of a read out of you in the next day or two my lynch would still be on her, for better or worse. *shrug*
 
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