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[LetItSnow]

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It changes your motivation.

Doesn't mean I want to vote you out. Just changes how to interpret you.

Same as me.

I'm still confused.

You said there's a third option other than me telling the truth or me lying.

Can you specifically give an example of what a third option is that doesn't fit into one of those two options?

 

[LetItSnow]

Consider why I might take significant risk to throw this information out in the thread............

 

[LetItSnow]

Especially knowing Cray will interpret this as 3P and gun hard to go a-lynching.........

 

[holdthemayo]

I'm still confused.

You said there's a third option other than me telling the truth or me lying.

Can you specifically give an example of what a third option is that doesn't fit into one of those two options?

Many options that make sense

1. You're lying = wolf
2. You're telling the truth = village
3. The truth is relative, you have another agenda = 3P
4. You're drunk
5. I'm drunk
6. We're both drunk

You are hard to read and your reputation precedes you. All options are on the table.

 

[holdthemayo]

Especially knowing Cray will interpret this as 3P and gun hard to go a-lynching.........

Fair point

 

[holdthemayo]

Laughing cries and smile's frown.
In the house of upside down

I'm off to bed

 

[kraskadva]

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I hear deadchat is lit this game
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hopefully. Tot chat is dead
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[Lawpy]

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Heads up guys i'm likely going to be out of commission today. Really bad fever, chills and major incapacitating aching pain from yesterday's 2nd dose. I'll try to check in when i can but no guarantees. Sorry
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[Trilt]

I think the next lynch should be Lupin.

First of all, she's still alive and we are about two thirds into the game. You'll see that this alone is a reasonable cause for lynch from me if you look through past posts. At this point there's a non zero risk of conversion AND of just being a really good original wolf, lol. (Side note: people keep mentioning LIS' reputation and ignoring Lupin and it makes me laugh).

Second, we have basically been clearing her because of her VCA and her usual non-bussing meta. But as I've repeatedly pointed out this game, VCA is complicated. We had basically all wolves outed by some variation of a mechanic that trying to read into votes as clearing/not clearing is how I ended up with zero wolf suspects at like day 5. Everybody seemed cleared, so obviously something was wrong.

Since then I've been working backwards trying to solve based on more subtle thread things and mechanics tells. Like everyone, I've sucked at it.

But I'm now at a point where I have good mechanics explanations for Cray and Samac being village, derpclear and other thread things for Chaos, straightforward mechanical "clearing" for jaboo/barkley from the rez, mayo is mayo, and basically have to stare at Lawps, Lupin and LIS.

Lawps has felt like Lawps, AM was adamant about him and flipped village, and I can reasonably theorize on an ability for him and it's likely village. Lower on the list.

LIS is not acting like wolf!LIS at all, has dropped multiple small bits of data early on that made me lower him in my suspicions, and with last night I'm putting him in a "cautiously suspicious but I just don't feel it" pile.

Lupin. Lupes has been village read basically all game for votes and vibe, both of which are questionably AI lol. I dislike that I feel she has been very go with the flow on the last several lynches and statements of "oh I just don't know who to lynch" have caught my eye because it's Lupin, she usually figures it out.

I've been putting focus elsewhere and handwaving this away because I know how busy she is and couldn't justify some early actions under her normal meta. But I'm kind of in a corner now and think she is a good next option.

Heading into an ER shift now, but I'll try to pop in intermittently if possible.

 

[Trilt]

Sorry that was long, whoops.

 

[LetItSnow]

Lupin could be a convert, but I would be stunned if she is an OG wolf.

I don't think that's a good lynch, unless you have reason to think she is a convert.

 

[Trilt]

Lupin could be a convert, but I would be stunned if she is an OG wolf.

I don't think that's a good lynch, unless you have reason to think she is a convert.

Would theorizing about the potential of her being a lone wolf change your thoughts?

 

[kaydubs]

night closed, writeup & results pending.

I’m sorting through thread and PMs, DubZ is at work

 

[supershorty]

But I'm now at a point where I have good mechanics explanations for Cray and Samac being village

Yes/no answer: is there more to this than what you've already posted on the thread? I'll understand withholding specifics, but it if it's just based on what's currently on thread, I'm not really following the train of thought.

 

[LetItSnow]

Would theorizing about the potential of her being a lone wolf change your thoughts?

No.

 

[Trilt]

Would theorizing about the potential of her being a lone wolf change your thoughts?

Because I feel like this would explain first pack's weird behaviour (not what I'd expect from Lupin-adjacent players), the sudden drop in two night kills (if it was from one pack + lone wolf), and her VCA being good.

This could easily be wrong. But it feels kind of good, lol.

 

[Trilt]

No.

harumph

 

[Trilt]

Yes/no answer: is there more to this than what you've already posted on the thread? I'll understand withholding specifics, but it if it's just based on what's currently on thread, I'm not really following the train of thought.

Nah, just what I've posted. I am not necessarily going to fight a Cray lynch hard because I don't think it's the worst flip on the board by any means, but man it would be weird ass decisions from the wolves if she was scum.

 

[Trilt]

Nah, just what I've posted. I am not necessarily going to fight a Cray lynch hard because I don't think it's the worst flip on the board by any means, but man it would be weird ass decisions from the wolves if she was scum.

Oh you asked about samac. Also nah, just what I've posted. But I feel pretty okay about her.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I think the next lynch should be Lupin.

First of all, she's still alive and we are about two thirds into the game. You'll see that this alone is a reasonable cause for lynch from me if you look through past posts. At this point there's a non zero risk of conversion AND of just being a really good original wolf, lol. (Side note: people keep mentioning LIS' reputation and ignoring Lupin and it makes me laugh).

Second, we have basically been clearing her because of her VCA and her usual non-bussing meta. But as I've repeatedly pointed out this game, VCA is complicated. We had basically all wolves outed by some variation of a mechanic that trying to read into votes as clearing/not clearing is how I ended up with zero wolf suspects at like day 5. Everybody seemed cleared, so obviously something was wrong.

Since then I've been working backwards trying to solve based on more subtle thread things and mechanics tells. Like everyone, I've sucked at it.

But I'm now at a point where I have good mechanics explanations for Cray and Samac being village, derpclear and other thread things for Chaos, straightforward mechanical "clearing" for jaboo/barkley from the rez, mayo is mayo, and basically have to stare at Lawps, Lupin and LIS.

Lawps has felt like Lawps, AM was adamant about him and flipped village, and I can reasonably theorize on an ability for him and it's likely village. Lower on the list.

LIS is not acting like wolf!LIS at all, has dropped multiple small bits of data early on that made me lower him in my suspicions, and with last night I'm putting him in a "cautiously suspicious but I just don't feel it" pile.

Lupin. Lupes has been village read basically all game for votes and vibe, both of which are questionably AI lol. I dislike that I feel she has been very go with the flow on the last several lynches and statements of "oh I just don't know who to lynch" have caught my eye because it's Lupin, she usually figures it out.

I've been putting focus elsewhere and handwaving this away because I know how busy she is and couldn't justify some early actions under her normal meta. But I'm kind of in a corner now and think she is a good next option.

Heading into an ER shift now, but I'll try to pop in intermittently if possible.

Doubt it , Lupin has shared sus reads with me in PMs about every single scum flip and they seemed pretty organic

 

[Chaostrodon]

Also since it turns out it would take a day to transfer items , I can get behind the idea of samac over cray

 

[LetItSnow]

Also since it turns out it would take a day to transfer items , I can get behind the idea of samac over cray

Was that definitive or hypothesized? I never saw.

 

[samac]

Also since it turns out it would take a day to transfer items , I can get behind the idea of samac over cray

I don’t know if it’s been proven to take a day.
I’m also going to speculate on some mechanics here from wolfing last game. An old Samac tinfoil that people get annoyed about. Wooo.
Wolves don’t have individual role PM’s. Just a group PM. One person can submit all the actions for the entire pack. Given how hard it would be to keep up with individual amounts of money for each person in the wolf pack (individuals finding money, keeping up with multiple people’s running totals) I bet they share money and an item pool so it wouldn’t be assigned to a specific person.
I also don’t see wolves buying first aid kits before knowing of any kind of silencing mechanic or a reason to have it because it looks like a village item, but then again I read the decoy as an entirely wolfy item and MsP proved me wrong there.

 

[Trilt]

Wolves don’t have individual role PM’s. Just a group PM. One person can submit all the actions for the entire pack. Given how hard it would be to keep up with individual amounts of money for each person in the wolf pack (individuals finding money, keeping up with multiple people’s running totals) I bet they share money and an item pool so it wouldn’t be assigned to a specific person.
I also don’t see wolves buying first aid kits before knowing of any kind of silencing mechanic or a reason to have it because it looks like a village item, but then again I read the decoy as an entirely wolfy item and MsP proved me wrong there.

I disagree about it being any more difficult to keep track of items/money for wolves than individual players; usually just a spreadsheet thing, nbd.

I do agree that snagging a first aid kit as your priority early on as a wolf would be weird behaviour. It's part of my justification about you being less sketch, lol.

 

[samac]

I disagree about it being any more difficult to keep track of items/money for wolves than individual players; usually just a spreadsheet thing, nbd.

I do agree that snagging a first aid kit as your priority early on as a wolf would be weird behaviour.

I mean within the singular PM. I just don’t think they’d have individual amounts of money per player, but I very well could be wrong about it. I’m bad about trying to theorize game mechanics and if AM was still here shed probably be screaming at me for doing it too much

 

[supershorty]

I also don’t see wolves buying first aid kits before knowing of any kind of silencing mechanic or a reason to have it because it looks like a village item, but then again I read the decoy as an entirely wolfy item and MsP proved me wrong there.

I do agree that snagging a first aid kit as your priority early on as a wolf would be weird behaviour. It's part of my justification about you being less sketch, lol.

The only description for the first aid kit is:

Be your own doctor with this first aid kit!

I don't see why buying that is inherently village. It would be completely reasonable for the pack to have decided that a first aid kit would be good to have in the event that there was an item that could harm them or a village PR whose action could be reversed by the kit.

 

[samac]

The only description for the first aid kit is:


I don't see why buying that is inherently village. It would be completely reasonable for the pack to have decided that a first aid kit would be good to have in the event that there was a village PR whose action could be reversed by the kit.

I think you’re stretching there but ok.
I took it to heal wounds or possibly prevent a night kill.
I never thought about it healing a negative effect a village power role may have going forward.


and just so everyone knows, anyone else who has a first aid kit knows this, the description in PM tells me to use it on myself or give it to a friend, unlike the shank which tells me to stab someone to stop a night action

 

[supershorty]

I think you’re stretching there but ok.
I took it to heal wounds or possibly prevent a night kill.
I never thought about it healing a negative effect a village power role may have going forward.

You guys are trying to say that buying a healing item is absolutely village, and somehow I'm the one stretching by saying I don't think you can make that assumption?

 

[samac]

You guys are trying to say that buying a healing item is absolutely village, and somehow I'm the one stretching by saying I don't think you can make that assumption?

I said you’re stretching to say the wolves would know to buy it in anticipation to some negative status effect on health.

 

[Trilt]

You guys are trying to say that buying a healing item is absolutely village, and somehow I'm the one stretching by saying I don't think you can make that assumption?

I never said absolutely village. I think bringing up the description is very valid, and you're not wrong, it's somewhat neutral.

I still think in general, spending money on a first aid kit in early game is a more pro-village than pro-wolf action.

 

[kaydubs]

Night 8

Back in the real world, I was a brilliant mechanical engineer. I could make any piece of machinery purr with the right touch. I brought those skills with me to Rapture. Careful though - I am brilliant, but not infallible.

He felt so fatigued. He'd been hacking successfully this whole time (well, 'cept that ONE time he had a run in with security...he didn't like to think of that time). Trying to protect people.

Tonight, he had been tempted to tinker with a vending machine but had thought better of it. He would rest for once.

He stretched out on his makeshift cot and pulled a tattered blanket tightly around himself. There would be time tomorrow.

All that exhaustion finally caught up with him. Despite all the lethal stab wounds, he didn't wake once.

Dead is @Lawpy , who was Marty Tan, a village hacker.

It is now Day 9. Deadline is tomorrow, March 18th, at 10pm EST.

10 players remain

Neptune's Bounty
2. @Barkley13

Arcadia
6. @Trilt
7. @holdthemayo
8. @Crayola227

Fort Frolic
11. @supershorty

Hephaestus
overcome by lava

Olympus Heights
22. LaineyLou ---> @jaboo

Point Prometheus
23. katashark ---> @samac
24. @Chaostrodon
25. @LetItSnow
26. @Lupin21

Dead
alissa - vanillager
april - village thief
barks - village weapons expert
sunshine - vanillager
zenge - wolf seer
Vis - village tracker
mkg - village protector
sporty - village blocker
alleycat - wolf blocker
genny - wealthy villager
Cyndia - wolf hacker
Dina - village affiliation seer
pawprints - village post restrictor
AM - village assassin
vetschoolsplz - 1x deathproof villager
MsP - vanillager
Lawpy - village hacker

Subs:
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Tots:
1. @Doggo Labs
2. @kraskadva
3. @ArteryStudyPainting​

 

[samac]

I don't see why buying that is inherently village. It would be completely reasonable for the pack to have decided that a first aid kit would be good to have in the event that there was an item that could harm them or a village PR whose action could be reversed by the kit.

wait if we’re going to play semantics game here you said the pack would have decided, not kata.
So you think the pack decided to buy the item night 1 and then not use it until I was gif restricted (ignoring alley and Cyndia) and remembered to use it a few hours into the day?

 

[samac]

Sorry for shanking you Lawpy.
get some rest today.

 

[kaydubs]

Tally will be along in a bit

 

[supershorty]

Ok well since Lawpy's now dead, I can info dump a little more.

I'm 95% sure that Lawpy wasn't silenced by SOMEONE. In Bioshock, when a hack fails, security comes in. Lawpy told me this happened to him the night before he was silenced - his hack was interrupted by security coming in. I have had a tinfoil that this is what caused Cyndia's silencing as well, but I didn't bring it up on thread because my doing so would have forced Lawpy to role reveal. If that's the case, though, there's 1 cigarette unaccounted for.

 

[Barkley13]

Ok well since Lawpy's now dead, I can info dump a little more.

I'm 95% sure that Lawpy wasn't silenced by SOMEONE. In Bioshock, when a hack fails, security comes in. Lawpy told me this happened to him the night before he was silenced - his hack was interrupted by security coming in. I have had a tinfoil that this is what caused Cyndia's silencing as well, but I didn't bring it up on thread because my doing so would have forced Lawpy to role reveal. If that's the case, though, there's 1 cigarette unaccounted for.

What does hacking even mean though? and how does it fail?

 

[Barkley13]

Also I got the audio diary last night. It was talking about Big Daddies being protective over daughters and how there's great reward to kill the daughter but can't unless you go through the big daddy first

 

[Trilt]

Ok well since Lawpy's now dead, I can info dump a little more.

I'm 95% sure that Lawpy wasn't silenced by SOMEONE. In Bioshock, when a hack fails, security comes in. Lawpy told me this happened to him the night before he was silenced - his hack was interrupted by security coming in. I have had a tinfoil that this is what caused Cyndia's silencing as well, but I didn't bring it up on thread because my doing so would have forced Lawpy to role reveal. If that's the case, though, there's 1 cigarette unaccounted for.

This was also what was leading me to mostly clear lawps recently. I originally was thinking Cray was hacker just based on some back and forth and her commentary on it as a potential JOAT role, but the description of shank and a hacker in the write-up + samac claiming the shanking on lawp made me migrate it to him the next day. It made sense for us to have both a village and wolf hacker.

 

[supershorty]

What does hacking even mean though? and how does it fail?

So what Lawpy had told me was that he could track, protect, or move around with the hacking. The tracking hacked cameras, I assume, and we know about the moving from the bathysphere mention in Cyndia's write up. He primarily used his hacks to protect people with turrets, alternating at first between Dina and me because he couldn't protect the same person consecutive nights, and then AM on N6. He told me that on N4, he protected Dina, but he wasn't sure if it went through because security came in and shut him down. He was then silenced on D5, and samac shanked him N5 so he wasn't sure if his protect hack went through that night or not.

 

[samac]

So what Lawpy had told me was that he could track, protect, or move around with the hacking. The tracking hacked cameras, I assume, and we know about the moving from the bathysphere mention in Cyndia's write up. He primarily used his hacks to protect people with turrets, alternating at first between Dina and me because he couldn't protect the same person consecutive nights, and then AM on N6. He told me that on N4, he protected Dina, but he wasn't sure if it went through because security came in and shut him down. He was then silenced on D5, and samac shanked him N5 so he wasn't sure if his protect hack went through that night or not.

...... Whoops

 

[Trilt]

So what Lawpy had told me was that he could track, protect, or move around with the hacking.

I really just love it when my gameplay theorizing is right. It almost makes up for all the other times I'm wrong, lol.

 

[supershorty]

Also, I'm pretty sure the shank did prevent the hack from working because he said he tried to protect me that night and I didn't get a turret notification.

 

[samac]

Also, I'm pretty sure the shank did prevent the hack from working because he said he tried to protect me that night and I didn't get a turret notification.

Oh at least I didn’t stop him from protecting Dina. I wonder why he chose you over her in that moment.
but yeah, the shank blocks a night action so it wouldn’t have went through.

 

[supershorty]

Oh at least I didn’t stop him from protecting Dina. I wonder why he chose you over her in that moment.
but yeah, the shank blocks a night action so it wouldn’t have went through.

He had protected Dina the night before so he couldn't protect her that night. He started using his ability on N2 and protected Dina, then alternated between me and her until she was dead, then he switched to AM.

 

[samac]

He had protected Dina the night before so he couldn't protect her that night. He started using his ability on N2 and protected Dina, then alternated between me and her until she was dead, then he switched to AM.

Sorry I think I’m getting things out of order, the night before wasnt his failed silence day?

 

[supershorty]

Sorry I think I’m getting things out of order, the night before wasnt his failed silence day?

Here's what he told me:

N1: tracked sunshine
N2: protected Dina
N3: protected me (this is the night I got my turret notification)
N4: tried to protect Dina but security came in --> silenced D5
N5: tried to protect me but got shanked
N6: protected AM
N7: tracked please (he did get a result from this but she didn't go anywhere and then was modkilled)

Edited to add in N1 and N7. Forgot he'd tracked sunshine the first night.

 

[samac]

Here's what he told me:

N1: tracked sunshine
N2: protected Dina
N3: protected me (this is the night I got my turret notification)
N4: tried to protect Dina but security came in --> silenced D5
N5: tried to protect me but got shanked
N6: protected AM

Edited to add in N1

I don’t know about that write up but it still seems sus, maybe there wasn’t a conversion and Lawpy successfully protected AM?

 

[supershorty]

I don’t know about that write up but it still seems sus, maybe there wasn’t a conversion and Lawpy successfully protected AM?

I think he probably did. I compared the N6 write up with the N2 write up, which is when it sounded like there could have been an attempt on Dina, and they both have gunfire mentions. Could be the turrets.

Night 2

A quiet clicking came from the roof of a garden pavilion. Something flew past the ear of a man sleeping on a bench in the shelter. He sat upright, heart racing. His eyes darted here and there, looking for the source of the projectile. A figure dropped from the ceiling. Rapid gunfire echoed all around him and he rolled to the ground, covering his head with his hands.

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No one has died​

Night 6

She turned to leave, go back to her room in Athena's Glory, not sure she wanted to meet this Cohen guy. But as she made her way back to the bathysphere, she watched the gates close, and the sphere sink into the water. Music swelled all around her, but between the notes she heard something...something like gunfire, bullets flying in quick succession, and running footsteps, retreating.

No one has died​

 

[samac]

I think he probably did. I compared the N6 write up with the N2 write up, which is when it sounded like there could have been an attempt on Dina, and they both have gunfire mentions. Could be the turrets.

Night 6 would be AM, not Dina but yeah that could be.
that would make me feel a lot better about this whole situation that were in because with converts + neutrals I was worried we were teetering close to parity.

 

[supershorty]

Night 6 would be AM, not Dina but yeah that could be.
that would make me feel a lot better about this whole situation that were in because with converts + neutrals I was worried we were teetering close to parity.

Yeah sorry if it wasn't clear, I was comparing N2 (possible attempt on Dina) with N6 (possible attempt on AM given gunfire mention).
The reason I think the gunfire indicates an attempt is that there was no mention of gunfire on N3, when I had a turret notification, so I don't think anyone tried to kill me and therefore the turret didn't actually have to do anything.