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That is a relief. Thanks.
No, I wouldn't assume that. I was, in fact, rejected from AZCOM post-interview but accepted to CCOM. So I think both schools are independent, at least to some degree.
Hey flushot and rennykim,
I'm in the masters program as well. I heard one of the two year students say that AZCOM admission puts most of the master students on waitlist (those that get an interview) till the program is over, making them wait till June to see if they were accepted. However, he said most were accepted. Anyone else heard about this?
Does anyone know the names of the interviewers at AZCOM? Thanks a lot in advance!
Hey flushot and rennykim,
I'm in the masters program as well. I heard one of the two year students say that AZCOM admission puts most of the master students on waitlist (those that get an interview) till the program is over, making them wait till June to see if they were accepted. However, he said most were accepted. Anyone else heard about this?
Well, let me introduce myself... my name is Mansoor Jatoi, I am a first year at AZCOM (Class of 2012) and I am the current Class Council President. The only reason I bring this up is because I get to participate in the Dean's Council meeting where I get to inquire on the many questions / points that were mentioned above directly with the Dean of our school and the Dean of our clinical education department.I just found this post written by harmlessfun21.
I would like AZCOM students give their opinion on this post, whether it is true or not. I got acceptance and am deciding if I should go there. Thank you
When I was applying to Osteopathic schools I got a lot of feedback from SDN and current and former AZCOM students - both the good and the bad. I think it's time that I post my own opinions and contribute to information sharing. In the end, we're all responsible for our own lives and educations, but I believe that we should all contribute our best to the sharing of knowlege and opinions - so we can all make informed decisions.
I just finished my second year, and will soon be starting my third, and I do plan on taking both board exams relatively soon. When I applied to AZCOM, the school was doing quite well, the previous matchlists were quite good, students were relatively happy with their educations, and although the clinical education wasn't very strong, they did allow students to do as many out of state as they wanted - and this was a good thing because there were many residency programs that loved to take our 3rd/4th students - and they even provided housing and meals. A few things have changed.....
If you look up AZCOM's accreditation report, you'll notice that for a second time in a row they have brought up the concern of high faculty turnover. During the time that I have been here, the 2 head faculty memebers in the physiology department left the school (Drs. Stanley, married), a top anatomy professor (Dr. Fischer), pathology professor (Dr. McCarver, who now does the occasional 'pity' lecture), and rumor has it that this is last year for Dr. Walters (the head of the anatomy department and and awesome professor), Dr. Mann (head of the biochemistry department), and Dr. Lovecchio (head of Clinical Correlates). Who else is leaving? THE DEAN! And the new dean? A local family practioner! Did students have any input on this? Of course not! Obviously there is something seriously wrong.....
In the past 3 years, AZCOM's tuition has increased 9k, and the number of hospital positions that they offer students has decreased. This is for a number or reason, among them, the new ASU-downtown medical school and the old UofA are eating up spots, Kirksville's new Mesa, AZ campus is staking their claim, and Creighton University (Nebraska) paid and took all of the spots at St. Joe's hospital. The average loan amount for students next year (everything included) is a little less than 70k. More expensive than USC in Southern California, and this Glendale, AZ - one of the cheapest places to live that you can think of. Obviously there is something seriously wrong.....
Please compare the matchlists from this past 2 years, to thosefrom 3-7 years ago. Now compare them to other DO schools, and CCOM http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/AZCOM/azcomDean_Match.htm
http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/CCOMClinEd/studentArea.htm
You will notice that competitive placements took a HUGE downturn at AZCOM. Obviously there is something seriously wrong.....
Please take a look at the 3rd year rotations: http://mwunet.midwestern.edu/academic/AZCOMClinEd_Dept/ceMSIII.htm
This is somewhat misleading, as we only get one elective, not two. Moreover, there is one rotation missing! "RURAL MEDICINE" - i.e. you WILL be going to the middle of nowhere for 4 weeks. Also please note that there are 12 weeks of family medicine, and 4 of internal, and 4 or surgery. Compare this to that of NYCOM: 6weeks family, 12 weeks internal med., 12 weeks surgery (and no RURAL MED!!!). When I interviewed at AZCOM I specifically asked if the school was going to try and 'push' me into primary care - as I already knew that I would never go into that field...I was told that AZCOM is a private school that does not receive state funding, and as such did not care what their students wanted to do and that as a 'new and small school we don't have any red-tape and tailor to each students needs.' Moreover I was told that they encouraged their students to do out-of-state residency-based rotations (without limits). All lies of course. The school is very much set on it's students going into family medicine (I'm still dumbfunded as to their reasoning), and as of my year, we are no longer allowed to do more than 3 out of state rotations!!! Keep in mind that the school doesn't have dedicated hospital sites, so the vast majority of our rotations (myself included) are with preceptors in their office - these preceptors are not paid, they are not 'designed' to teach, they have an office to run, and many have terrible student evaluations - but there aren't enough preceptors to go around, in order to weed our the 'bad ones.' Obviously there is something seriously wrong....
The school has decided to add 100 new students to the cl***** (to bring the total to 250), but it does not have basic science and clinical science resources or faculty to do this. We all know it, we've raised alarms (on deaf ears) and I feel sorry for incoming clueless freshman. Obviously there is something seriously wrong....
Let's do the math! 150 students in my class, paying 42k+ in tuition = about 6.3 million dollars. How much of that goes to pay for our clinical education? NOTHING. All clinical education sites are basically either free (volunteer preceptors, needy community hospitals), or are paid in peanuts ($50 a student) etc. OTHER SCHOOLS PAY BIG MONEY FOR THE STUDENTS TO ROTATE AT QUALITY HOSPITALS. AZCOM refuses. The Mayo clinic in scottsdale offered for our students to rotate at their hospital for 1.5 mil, AZCOM refused! Instead we have (and not enough apparently) preceptors with bad evals, and no longer allowed to do more than 3 out-of-state. Meanwhile, the school has put of 3 new buildings since the time that I've been here - and they refuse to release their line-item 'non-profit' financial statements. I wonder why... Perhaps it has something to do with a recently published article about how AZCOM's CEO (yes, you heard me right, CEO) Goeppinger's 600k+, base salary, her private jet, the absolute refusal to release line-item NON-PROFIT financial statements, and something about this article: http://www.nasfaa.org/publications/2007/awsalchallenge020107.html & http://www.azcentral.com/community/peoria/articles/0131gl-midwestern27Z2.html. Obviously there is something seriously wrong.....
There are many other things (the schools lack of support funding for basic science research), the general hostility of Phoenix physicians towards the school (I wonder why?), and most of all: the students are treated like objects - we are not heard nor listened to. Our opinions mean nothing, and change nothing...and why should they? As long as we're dollar signs, trapped, and forced to keep on giving. Sadly, I had many other offers, and chose AZCOM for what it should have been, not what it is now.
There are many other things wrong with this program. I've only given you a taste from my own personal perspective. I can't change anything at this school, and frankly I don't really care to try, as I am almost done. I didn't get from my education what I had anticipated to get, but I don't live my life with regrets either. To those of you considering coming here (especially if you see yourself as a 'gunner') - think twice. And then a third time. Then a forth. Then hit yourself with a shovel, and think again.
Lastly, a final note about the rumored boards scores etc. It's all BS and I'll explain: AZCOM has a very high pass rate, but low average board scores. In other words "we all know the bare minimum to pass, but not enough to do well." This is true for the comlex. The usmle is a different story - the average score is a fail (not-passed). Of course, neither average is ever published. Only the fact that our students 'pass' the comlex. Woopdie-doo-hurray...we all barely pass the complex, and barely anyone matched into surgery this past year, radiology, etc.
Medical school is a one time deal. Your education, board scores, and residency placements are one time deals. Think long and hard, and don't rush it. You've put in way too much time, effort, energy, and money to sell yourself short on the most important part of it all. Research carefully, talk to current students, and don't go by the 'pretty campus.' Make your first medical decision! Is this school healthy? Are their finances healthy? Will my finances be healthy? Are the current students healthy? Is their matchlist healthy? Is their clinical education (arguably the most important part of your education) healthy? Is their basic science program still healthy? Is their having the highest facualty turnover of any other school healthy? Is the lack of research funding healthy? Is the increase in incoming class sizes healthy? Are the schools resources healthy? Is this school technologically integrated (i.e. the paid to bring their resources uptodate)? Will I be where I want to be by the time I graduate from here based on the current trends? (i.e. is this patients fever increasing or decreasing over time?)
Be strong. Medicine is still a great field, very rewarding and enriching. Just do your best to prepare for your life-long journey. I wish you all the best of luck, and god bless. 😎
Hey I noticed quite a few of you had interviews at AZCOM already.
I interview Jan-23rd.
Any clues on interview questions?
(i.e. what type of kitchen utensil I think I am....)
for those of you who have submitted their secondary recently, how long did it take to receive an interview invite?
How do you find out about it, phone call, email? check your profile?>
That said, I'd drop that deposit for the place now if you want. I hear that it is fully refundable if you change your mind by March 15th.
I'm pretty sure he meant a deposit for the on-campus housing (for fall 09).
I've been complete since the 1st of Dec. Is this pretty typical before hearing of an interview? What's the usual waiting period? I'm getting antsy....
I'm pretty sure he meant a deposit for the on-campus housing (for fall 09).
Oh thanks- that makes much more sense!
Thanks, bastula. That really helped me out a lot. Now I can interview before my second quarter ends, which I think will definitely be to my advantage. Do you mind sharing which program you will be attending this fall?
Thanks for all the input! I'm about to be an Eller Alumni this May (Mgmt major) and was excited to hear from a business major! I have been accepted to AZCOM, put down my deposit, and most likely will be attending in August! What suggestions do you have on living arrangements..on-campus or off?
Has anyone had success trading days on here? Something has come up and I need to move my interview from early Feb (2/2) and I'd like to do it in late Feb or early March, especially a Monday or Friday. Do the dates show up immediately after dropped? If anyone is interested in trading let me know.