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I just called and they told me I should call back tomorrow.
 
Yeah, they're meeting today right? Good luck to everyone waiting!
 
They're going to be scared to pick up those phones tommorow lol 🙂

Hey proteinpowda, don't be jealous, you're good-looking, too (I stalked you on the other thread) :laugh: Well unless you choose NYCOM, it looks like we may very well be classmates... good luck tomorrow and here's to Monday's WL :luck:
 
Hey proteinpowda, don't be jealous, you're good-looking, too (I stalked you on the other thread) :laugh: Well unless you choose NYCOM, it looks like we may very well be classmates... good luck tomorrow and here's to Monday's WL :luck:

I knew it! Stalker! 🙂

I don't think we're for sure yet on the wait-list release....it's HEARsay.
I was debating if I should send the UAZ adcom some of my "greatest hits" posts on the Arizona thread. Not sure how well those would go.
 
I have withdrawn my acceptance from all schools except AZCOM and PCOM. I can't decide whether to attend PCOM or AZCOM...I know they are very different, but they are both GREAT schools.

Here is my problem: I think PCOMs curriculum is one of the best you could ask for. Their clinical rotations are set in one of the greatest medical cities in the US with a lot of medical history and medical hospitals and unique opportunity. But, the cost of living in Philly is outrageous. I am married and can't split the cost of living with someone else. We have a dog. Renters do not accomodate pet owners in Philly, and it seems unlikely that we could afford to buy a home in Philly. My husband is a firefighter and will hopefully find a job out there doing the same- so possibly could afford a home? (any input from anyone who might be in a similar situation?) However, I am not sure what I think of AZCOM's quarter system for their curriculum and overall I think I would like PCOMs curriculum better. But, AZCOM is set in Glendale, AZ where the cost of living is wayyy cheaper than Philly and the people are friendly and I am from a neighboring state so the transition I imagine would be much easier to go to AZCOM. I feel like my pro and con lists for each school are even. The problem, the pros for PCOM are based only on the school and not the environment and personal reasons. The pros for AZCOM are mainly for personal reasons, environment, and location...

What is more important? Obviously you are paying a TON for this education so you'd think curriculum would take precidence. But, I think in order to be successful you should be happy in your environment and I envision myself happier in Glendale than in Philly. I think AZCOM is still a great school; there really isn't such a thing as a "terrible" med school. I think you make of it what you want and you determine your success. I keep wavering...and I need to make a decision SOON, before more $$ is due!

How did you guys decide which school to go to if you had choices? These are the 2 schools that felt like they would be a good fit for me. But for such different reasons and I am not sure what should take precidence: personal reasons or curriculum/educational reasons?

Thanks for any input!😳
 
i can feel for you. i was in philly for a mph. i was born and raised in cali so there was a large difference with the east/west subculture. in the end, i chose to come back. its good that you know a little about philly life and what youre getting into. PM me if you want to know a little more about my philly experiences.



I have withdrawn my acceptance from all schools except AZCOM and PCOM. I can't decide whether to attend PCOM or AZCOM...I know they are very different, but they are both GREAT schools.

Here is my problem: I think PCOMs curriculum is one of the best you could ask for. Their clinical rotations are set in one of the greatest medical cities in the US with a lot of medical history and medical hospitals and unique opportunity. But, the cost of living in Philly is outrageous. I am married and can't split the cost of living with someone else. We have a dog. Renters do not accomodate pet owners in Philly, and it seems unlikely that we could afford to buy a home in Philly. My husband is a firefighter and will hopefully find a job out there doing the same- so possibly could afford a home? (any input from anyone who might be in a similar situation?) However, I am not sure what I think of AZCOM's quarter system for their curriculum and overall I think I would like PCOMs curriculum better. But, AZCOM is set in Glendale, AZ where the cost of living is wayyy cheaper than Philly and the people are friendly and I am from a neighboring state so the transition I imagine would be much easier to go to AZCOM. I feel like my pro and con lists for each school are even. The problem, the pros for PCOM are based only on the school and not the environment and personal reasons. The pros for AZCOM are mainly for personal reasons, environment, and location...

What is more important? Obviously you are paying a TON for this education so you'd think curriculum would take precidence. But, I think in order to be successful you should be happy in your environment and I envision myself happier in Glendale than in Philly. I think AZCOM is still a great school; there really isn't such a thing as a "terrible" med school. I think you make of it what you want and you determine your success. I keep wavering...and I need to make a decision SOON, before more $$ is due!

How did you guys decide which school to go to if you had choices? These are the 2 schools that felt like they would be a good fit for me. But for such different reasons and I am not sure what should take precidence: personal reasons or curriculum/educational reasons?

Thanks for any input!😳
 
What is more important? Obviously you are paying a TON for this education so you'd think curriculum would take precidence. But, I think in order to be successful you should be happy in your environment and I envision myself happier in Glendale than in Philly. I think AZCOM is still a great school; there really isn't such a thing as a "terrible" med school. I think you make of it what you want and you determine your success. I keep wavering...and I need to make a decision SOON, before more $$ is due!

That alone says a lot and if you look back through the posts in this thread the whole "med school is what you make of it" stance seems to be very persistent. Personally, I chose (if I get in but thats tomorrow's problem) this school based on the fact that the curriculum satisfied me but more importantly I really liked the location, people I met there (students, staff, other interviewees) and I could easily see myself being happy there. They offered research, which was something I was looking for but didn't know was available and I got a great vibe. For most of the schools I looked at the curriculum was more or less the same. There were no massive variations (except A.T. Stills SOMA but that program is designed that way) so how I felt mattered more to me.

Still, choosing a school is a pretty important decision and the deal breaker is different for each applicant. But from the sound of your post, it sounds like you are learning towards AZCOM. I don't know if this response has helped any but I am sure you will make the right decision and I have a feeling you will be happy with either one. Good luck!
 
Words cant describe it...my hands are shaking..I just called adcom...And I was informed I got accepted to my first medical school at the age of 21!!!!!👍👍👍👍:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:😀😀 100% sure, going to be paying my deposit soon. This feelings is awesome! Good luck to everyone else!
 
well, it appears I was waitlisted. Good luck to everyone else!!!
 
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well, it appears I was waitlisted. Totally didn't see that coming. Good luck to everyone else!!!

Sorry to hear about that. I think you should call for a file review and find out why. Did you forward them our winter quarter grades yet? It could be something as simple as that. Good luck.
 
i think they said they have the ability to see our GPA on the online system, so I'm not sure how long it takes for that to happen but grades were calculated before they made the decision so I'm thinking they would have had it.
 
Just called and after the friendly receptionist heard my sleepy voice say my social security number she goes "what do you want to hear?" And then congratulations.

So the question is...now what?
 
i think they said they have the ability to see our GPA on the online system, so I'm not sure how long it takes for that to happen but grades were calculated before they made the decision so I'm thinking they would have had it.

Dress up, write a LOR, and walk into admissions and ask to sit with the dean or director of admissions and explain to them how this is the only school you want to go too. Thats my advice, it helped me get an interview.
 
Just called and after the friendly receptionist heard my sleepy voice say my social security number she goes "what do you want to hear?" And then congratulations.

So the question is...now what?

Pay the deposit and join the cool crew here for the 2009 azcom year duh
 
Words cant describe it...my hands are shaking..I just called adcom...And I was informed I got accepted to my first medical school at the age of 21!!!!!👍👍👍👍:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:😀😀 100% sure, going to be paying my deposit soon. This feelings is awesome! Good luck to everyone else!

I just had the same experience, shaking and all. I will be attending without a doubt! Good luck to all.
 
Just called and after the friendly receptionist heard my sleepy voice say my social security number she goes "what do you want to hear?" And then congratulations.

So the question is...now what?

Are you still going to check out NYCOM?
 
Are you still going to check out NYCOM?


I can't make up my mind!

I'd say I'm still only 75% DO and 25% Caribbean MD.

I hate to say it but it's just how I feel. My heart says and wants MD after my name. My head says DO might be a better career option. But that is changing. Everyday I feel a little bit more like DO is my calling but it's hard to erase 25 years of social programming.

I don't know I guess I always pictured this happy moment in my head when I got into Arizona. Calling my Dad and then racing down to Tempe and banging on my favorite professors down and giving her a big bouquet of flowers to say I got in while I grin from my eyelids to my chin.
At the moment though I feel similar to how I felt after I got into Ross (ok a bit better) and it's a question of now what? What is my best option? I had always planned on going to UA and planned around that. I didn't even sell my condo down there at the peak of the real estate boom hoping to keep it for med school one day.

But in the interim I think I have found out that being a DO might be a better option and it's really what I make of it.
 
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Congrats to the latest round of accepted peeps! Don't forget to join the 2013 facebook group.

And good luck to those waitlisted.👍
 
i interviewed 3/2 and called and found out i got in.....hopefully more of you guys from the 3/2 date got in, i enjoyed getting to know you guys during the down time
 
I can't make up my mind!

I'd say I'm still only 75% DO and 25% Caribbean MD.

I hate to say it but it's just how I feel. My heart says and wants MD after my name. My head says DO might be a better career option. But that is changing. Everyday I feel a little bit more like DO is my calling but it's hard to erase 25 years of social programming.

I don't know I guess I always pictured this happy moment in my head when I got into Arizona. Calling my Dad and then racing down to Tempe and banging on my favorite professors down and giving her a big bouquet of flowers to say I got in while I grin from my eyelids to my chin.
At the moment though I feel similar to how I felt after I got into Ross (ok a bit better) and it's a question of now what? What is my best option? I had always planned on going to UA and planned around that. I didn't even sell my condo down there at the peak of the real estate boom hoping to keep it for med school one day.

But in the interim I think I have found out that being a DO might be a better option and it's really what I make of it.

Caribbean is a big decision and I applaud you for listening to what you really want, regardless of what people may judge of it being. That said, I'm curious if you believe that the obstacles and cost that come with Caribbean are worth the two letters. Again, I like that you know what you want, but sometimes getting what you like involves liking what you get.
 
what are some good things to do if we are placed on the waitlist here other than writing a letter of intent? I don't want it to seem that I"m bothering them with too much updates or hounding them. From what i hear on the forums, chances are pretty good if we're placed on the waitlist right? i know it varies by year though. we'll see!
 
I can't make up my mind!

I'd say I'm still only 75% DO and 25% Caribbean MD.

I hate to say it but it's just how I feel. My heart says and wants MD after my name. My head says DO might be a better career option. But that is changing. Everyday I feel a little bit more like DO is my calling but it's hard to erase 25 years of social programming.

I don't know I guess I always pictured this happy moment in my head when I got into Arizona. Calling my Dad and then racing down to Tempe and banging on my favorite professors down and giving her a big bouquet of flowers to say I got in while I grin from my eyelids to my chin.
At the moment though I feel similar to how I felt after I got into Ross (ok a bit better) and it's a question of now what? What is my best option? I had always planned on going to UA and planned around that. I didn't even sell my condo down there at the peak of the real estate boom hoping to keep it for med school one day.

But in the interim I think I have found out that being a DO might be a better option and it's really what I make of it.

Well it's not like we absolutely know for sure we are rejected from AZ yet... then again neither of us has a good track record with that school, lol... but I'm just saying not all is lost until we know for sure next week. So that dream might still come true. Plus now is a bad time to sell anyway so it might all work out in the end!
 
Caribbean is a big decision and I applaud you for listening to what you really want, regardless of what people may judge of it being. That said, I'm curious if you believe that the obstacles and cost that come with Caribbean are worth the two letters. Again, I like that you know what you want, but sometimes getting what you like involves liking what you get.

Thank you. What I wanted to comment on was the obstacles and cost thing. Oh and before I say anything let me say I've researched the issue to death and interned with a St. Georges graduate for five months (he was there during the invasion nonetheless).

Here's the deal: In terms of cost...I don't see an issue. If you're on the AZCOM thread it's about as expensive as it comes at 43k a year. That's 172k overall.
Ross is 140k overall.
American University of the Caribbean is about 120k overall.
St. Georges is 190k overall.
Yeah flights can be expensive...housing is about the same...but you don't need a car for two years so think how much you save that way. Car costs an average of $5k a year.

Now if you're married or having significant others then it's a big deal to move out of the country. There aren't as many amenities and it's tough. But in the same token you're not exactly roughing it; Google the Rumors Were True to read a blog about it. So if you're young, single, and want to experience a bit of the world it's a great experience. Do you know that if you go to St. Georges you can do electives in Prague or clinicals in the UK? You can even do your first year in the UK if you want (but can have possible California accredation issues down the line). Not to mention their pass rate on the USMLE (not the COMLEX since only DO students take that) is higher than quite a few DO schools.
So as long as you sitck with the big, established schools down there: SGU, Ross, AUC, and SABA (though you can't get loans there) you'll do fine. Their match lists are pretty comparable to DO's as well; better than some and worse than others.

What worries me is the clinical situation. They don't have their own hospitals and stuff. But the same thing goes with DO schools. And St. Georges at least has that huge $100 million contract with the New York City Hospitals. If you go to NYCOM you rotate with the SGU students and Rossies according to that thread.

So other than worrying about the greenbook issue for California accredation I don't really see how the obstacles are so bad. In a lot of ways there are a lot of plusses:
1) Less stressful admissions
2) More time to study for the boards
3) Lots of hospitals to do rotations at
4) The big schools have a good reputation and it will only get better. Ross is now rolling out an advertising campaign on the radio.
5) You're an MD (If this is the route you would rather take. A lot of DO's go there b/c they genuinely want to be a DO. Others do it b/c they're allo rejects).

But there are cons. Lack of reciprocity for instance. Stigma of going foreign. Large class sizes (problem for some), going out of the country (can be good or bad..personally I looked forward to it!). Not having someone crack your back everyday (mine is aching right now! aarrgh!)

All in all I think you'll probably place similar going Carib or DO (check the match lists) and that really where you ultimately end up is dependent on you.
 
Well it's not like we absolutely know for sure we are rejected from AZ yet... then again neither of us has a good track record with that school, lol... but I'm just saying not all is lost until we know for sure next week. So that dream might still come true. Plus now is a bad time to sell anyway so it might all work out in the end!

Candlelight vigil Tuesday night my dear?
 
Thank you. What I wanted to comment on was the obstacles and cost thing. Oh and before I say anything let me say I've researched the issue to death and interned with a St. Georges graduate for five months (he was there during the invasion nonetheless).

Here's the deal: In terms of cost...I don't see an issue. If you're on the AZCOM thread it's about as expensive as it comes at 43k a year. That's 172k overall.
Ross is 140k overall.
American University of the Caribbean is about 120k overall.
St. Georges is 190k overall.
Yeah flights can be expensive...housing is about the same...but you don't need a car for two years so think how much you save that way. Car costs an average of $5k a year.

Now if you're married or having significant others then it's a big deal to move out of the country. There aren't as many amenities and it's tough. But in the same token you're not exactly roughing it; Google the Rumors Were True to read a blog about it. So if you're young, single, and want to experience a bit of the world it's a great experience. Do you know that if you go to St. Georges you can do electives in Prague or clinicals in the UK? You can even do your first year in the UK if you want (but can have possible California accredation issues down the line). Not to mention their pass rate on the USMLE (not the COMLEX since only DO students take that) is higher than quite a few DO schools.
So as long as you sitck with the big, established schools down there: SGU, Ross, AUC, and SABA (though you can't get loans there) you'll do fine. Their match lists are pretty comparable to DO's as well; better than some and worse than others.

What worries me is the clinical situation. They don't have their own hospitals and stuff. But the same thing goes with DO schools. And St. Georges at least has that huge $100 million contract with the New York City Hospitals. If you go to NYCOM you rotate with the SGU students and Rossies according to that thread.

So other than worrying about the greenbook issue for California accredation I don't really see how the obstacles are so bad. In a lot of ways there are a lot of plusses:
1) Less stressful admissions
2) More time to study for the boards
3) Lots of hospitals to do rotations at
4) The big schools have a good reputation and it will only get better. Ross is now rolling out an advertising campaign on the radio.
5) You're an MD (If this is the route you would rather take. A lot of DO's go there b/c they genuinely want to be a DO. Others do it b/c they're allo rejects).

But there are cons. Lack of reciprocity for instance. Stigma of going foreign. Large class sizes (problem for some), going out of the country (can be good or bad..personally I looked forward to it!). Not having someone crack your back everyday (mine is aching right now! aarrgh!)

All in all I think you'll probably place similar going Carib or DO (check the match lists) and that really where you ultimately end up is dependent on you.

SGU is probably the only Caribbean school I would seriously consider, and had I known more about it, I would have applied instead of doing this MA (which only hurt my application and wasted thousands of dollars, but that's a different story). But the more I look into it the more I think the MD/DO thing is overrated -- I'm currently waitlisted at an MD school with a better pass rate/match list than UA but probably will not attend if accepted because I really like it here in AZ and tuition is comparable to AZCOM's. Are you still seriously considering Ross?
 
Hahaha I'd rather not think about it... I have been classically conditioned Pavlov-style to expect pure rejection... exactly what was posted on the other thread, lol.

Lets excise Pavlov's salivary gland then.

Ross? I dont know. One of the big reasons I'm in this boat was being shot down by SGU TWICE! Why? I must have really fudged the interview and they didn't give me a second one. I really don't get it. They won't give me a reason. And Ross IMO pales in comparison to it. So am I still considering it and the $1000 deposit they currently hold of mine? Yes somewhat. I think they are taking steps to improve. I get a friendly phone call every week or two to check up on me and see how my preparations are coming which I think is really nice. And the clinical situation on the valuemd forums seems to have gotten better (they had a big issue with PEDS rotations before).
I think I want to do PEDS or IM but I think I could end up doing gas one day so I wish AZCOM spent more time in gen. surgery. There were only 3 anesthesia matces last year. 7 at NYCOM. Is DO usually that bad for gas?
 
Thank you. What I wanted to comment on was the obstacles and cost thing. Oh and before I say anything let me say I've researched the issue to death and interned with a St. Georges graduate for five months (he was there during the invasion nonetheless).

Here's the deal: In terms of cost...I don't see an issue. If you're on the AZCOM thread it's about as expensive as it comes at 43k a year. That's 172k overall.
Ross is 140k overall.
American University of the Caribbean is about 120k overall.
St. Georges is 190k overall.
Yeah flights can be expensive...housing is about the same...but you don't need a car for two years so think how much you save that way. Car costs an average of $5k a year.

Now if you're married or having significant others then it's a big deal to move out of the country. There aren't as many amenities and it's tough. But in the same token you're not exactly roughing it; Google the Rumors Were True to read a blog about it. So if you're young, single, and want to experience a bit of the world it's a great experience. Do you know that if you go to St. Georges you can do electives in Prague or clinicals in the UK? You can even do your first year in the UK if you want (but can have possible California accredation issues down the line). Not to mention their pass rate on the USMLE (not the COMLEX since only DO students take that) is higher than quite a few DO schools.
So as long as you sitck with the big, established schools down there: SGU, Ross, AUC, and SABA (though you can't get loans there) you'll do fine. Their match lists are pretty comparable to DO's as well; better than some and worse than others.

What worries me is the clinical situation. They don't have their own hospitals and stuff. But the same thing goes with DO schools. And St. Georges at least has that huge $100 million contract with the New York City Hospitals. If you go to NYCOM you rotate with the SGU students and Rossies according to that thread.

So other than worrying about the greenbook issue for California accredation I don't really see how the obstacles are so bad. In a lot of ways there are a lot of plusses:
1) Less stressful admissions
2) More time to study for the boards
3) Lots of hospitals to do rotations at
4) The big schools have a good reputation and it will only get better. Ross is now rolling out an advertising campaign on the radio.
5) You're an MD (If this is the route you would rather take. A lot of DO's go there b/c they genuinely want to be a DO. Others do it b/c they're allo rejects).

But there are cons. Lack of reciprocity for instance. Stigma of going foreign. Large class sizes (problem for some), going out of the country (can be good or bad..personally I looked forward to it!). Not having someone crack your back everyday (mine is aching right now! aarrgh!)

All in all I think you'll probably place similar going Carib or DO (check the match lists) and that really where you ultimately end up is dependent on you.


Well, to hit your points, since we all probably have done the cons of AZCOM to death, here's what I think you might not have mentioned or thought about.

From what I understand, Caribbean means no financial aid (same with RVU and PNWU), so unless those payments are out of pocket, you'll have to get some private loans with varying interest rates. With an economy like this one, I don't know who I would get it from, if they would even approve of a full coverage, but hopefully you have help coming in.

The fallout rate for Caribbean is extremely high, but if you made it to DO, you can probably endure. The thing is there is more to landing that residency that you want than acing the USMLE. There is a general consensus on SDN on the tiers of important for filling residencies in the US, but this is a generalization.

Clinicals can be vary too, since I hear that many Ross students are crammed alongside with Touro-NY students, which led to some criticisms of those schools. Rotating in the UK would be great, but this honestly sounds more of an advertisement than something I could see happening for the majority of students.

I remember a mod on here saying that going Caribbean is a lot like a Hail Mary pass. If you land it, yeah, it's an amazing play, but the risk begs the question what the purpose was in the first place. If you believe that you can be an exception and that the experience can be great for you along with the rewards, go for it. I've never been one to tempt fate and I had dabbled in risky prospects before, but I think I've settled on something I can work with.
 
Well, to hit your points, since we all probably have done the cons of AZCOM to death, here's what I think you might not have mentioned or thought about.

From what I understand, Caribbean means no financial aid (same with RVU and PNWU), so unless those payments are out of pocket, you'll have to get some private loans with varying interest rates. With an economy like this one, I don't know who I would get it from, if they would even approve of a full coverage, but hopefully you have help coming in.

The fallout rate for Caribbean is extremely high, but if you made it to DO, you can probably endure. The thing is there is more to landing that residency that you want than acing the USMLE. There is a general consensus on SDN on the tiers of important for filling residencies in the US, but this is a generalization.

Clinicals can be vary too, since I hear that many Ross students are crammed alongside with Touro-NY students, which led to some criticisms of those schools. Rotating in the UK would be great, but this honestly sounds more of an advertisement than something I could see happening for the majority of students.

I remember a mod on here saying that going Caribbean is a lot like a Hail Mary pass. If you land it, yeah, it's an amazing play, but the risk begs the question what the purpose was in the first place. If you believe that you can be an exception and that the experience can be great for you along with the rewards, go for it. I've never been one to tempt fate and I had dabbled in risky prospects before, but I think I've settled on something I can work with.


Ya from what I read I'm wary of the clinicals at any of the offshore schools besides SGU.

As far as financial aid goes:
Ross, SGU, and SGU get the same financial aid that students in American schools get with full access to federal loans. NO DIFFERENCE. I'll show you my financial aid offer from Ross if you want 🙂

As far as how they do: Attrition rates are higher. SGU is probably the lowest. Ironically I'd say they have higher acceptance standards than a couple DO schools. Hey I got into Midwestern but turned down by SGU.

Compare the match lists though:

http://www.sgu.edu/alumni/student-profile.html#residency

http://www.rossu.edu/medical-school/graduates.cfm

Not that different from DOs
 
does the match list from the foreign schools only show US residencies or is that pie graph including foreign countries? It might be alot more skewed if it just shows US
 
does the match list from the foreign schools only show US residencies or is that pie graph including foreign countries? It might be alot more skewed if it just shows US

Most of the students that go there are US citizens so I would assume that would be US residencies. You can go through the list by itself...they're almost all US with a few Canadian ones in there if I remember.
 
I think I want to do PEDS or IM but I think I could end up doing gas one day so I wish AZCOM spent more time in gen. surgery. There were only 3 anesthesia matces last year. 7 at NYCOM. Is DO usually that bad for gas?

There is something your overlooking. In last years list there were...
1 Urological Surgery
6 Ortho
2 Rads

I just glanced at it but those are all VERY competitive residencies and all of those people could have gone gas if they wanted to. You can't term it as "bad" b/c only 3 people from there chose gas.

As far as getting a gas residency being a DO, it's very doable. Places like Yale even take DOs. The only residencies that DO's have a hard time going into ACGME residencies are ENT, plastics, Ortho, Derm, and rads. Gen Surg is somewhat difficult but people continually do it.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7635532&postcount=6

Check out the list for 2000-2006, a TON of AZCOM grads go into gas.

It's really difficult for people to evaluate match lists b/c often times the powerhouse names like Yale are not necessarily the best in certain specialties.

That being said if you see quite a few different specialties that are really competitive it is safe to say the school can place its grads in good places. As far as IM/EM/FP goes, ACGME are generally better. Also the ones in places like Cali are competitive because everyone wants to live there. Its just a general rule and there are always exceptions.

My opinion is that AZCOM offers you more opportunities than Ross to pursue gas, peds, or IM simply because it is here in the states. Moreover, for residencies here in AZ I would be willing to bet AZCOM would be better since you can do rotations through a lot of the hospitals here and its a LOCAL school.

Just my 2 cents 😉
 
Right, I didn't want this to turn into a debate over Caribbean, so big thanks to TeamZissou for bringing those AZCOM matches into this. If I was dead set on Carib, I would aim for SGU for sure and I'm sure everyone in that position would probably too.

Also, from your defense, it does sound like Carib is what you would prefer. Is there anything about AZCOM or DO in general that would you hold up over Carib?
 
could anyone explain how the third and fourth years work, especially with the ohio core program and tuscon, do you go there for both your 3rd and 4th years. Is there anyway you can say what preference you have? Any way you can have an excuse to stay in glendale/phx? Anyways, anyone's opinions would be great, especially those going through the process right now
 
Right, I didn't want this to turn into a debate over Caribbean.

Sorry this was not my intention. I was just trying to bring information to light. Also I want to add, if you are thinking you may want to end up in NY then actually SGU might be a better way to go than AZCOM since they do almost all their rotations there. So I would say overall DO>Caribbean, however when you take specific geography into account it makes exceptions.

Thought you would find this post interesting...
FWIW, I checked out a small sample of rotation sites on this issue. The ones that use VSAS (Kansas U, UMichigan, Vanderbilt, UVA, UArkansas, UMass, Columbia, Ohio State, Georgetown, UTennessee, UWashington) have a separate DO application for their programs.

Interestingly, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Kansas, Arkansas, Columbia, Washington, and Tennessee will allow DO students to rotate, but exclude international students from their programs.

Also if you are interested in gas you should check out posts by a guy named VentdependenT. He is an AZCOM grad doing his gas residency at Rush right now and gives a lot of really good advice to people pursuing gas.

could anyone explain how the third and fourth years work, especially with the ohio core program and tuscon, do you go there for both your 3rd and 4th years. Is there anyway you can say what preference you have? Any way you can have an excuse to stay in glendale/phx? Anyways, anyone's opinions would be great, especially those going through the process right now

I can tell you what I remember from my interview... You DO NOT have to stay there for your 4th year since 4th year is almost ALL elective rotations that you determine. You do get a chance to state your preference but there is no way to "ensure" you stay in phx. They did say that you can trade with a fellow student if you draw the ohio rotations and they have phx. Hope that helps a bit.
 
Right, I didn't want this to turn into a debate over Caribbean, so big thanks to TeamZissou for bringing those AZCOM matches into this. If I was dead set on Carib, I would aim for SGU for sure and I'm sure everyone in that position would probably too.

Also, from your defense, it does sound like Carib is what you would prefer. Is there anything about AZCOM or DO in general that would you hold up over Carib?


I'm choosing Midwestern over Ross. If it was Midwestern vs. SGU it would be a tough call to make.
The reason I defend the Caribbean is two-fold:
1) It was my original plan to head to Ross or SGU and not even apply to US schools b/c my gpa wasn't so hot. Then I got a 31 on the MCAT was told to apply to "real" schools and found student doctor network, and valuemd in the interim which showed me there really is a difference.
2) My doctor (who I interned with for five months) is an SGU grad.

All in all I think a lot of the kids that go down there receive a lot of prejudice and discrimination for their choice to do so rather than re-apply or take the osteopathic route. I applaude them because it shows how much they want to be a doctor. They in a lot of ways are sacrificing two years and living in the middle of nowhere in a third-world country more or less. I was two months shy of going back in October and it hit me...what if I get the munchies at 3am and want to run to Walmart for food or if I beat my video game and need another one? Damn there are no Walmarts there and the taco stand will be closed...and I won't bring my xbox b/c they charge you like a 50% duty tax on all the stuff you take with you. It's posh for the students down there but it's nowhere near the lifestyle you have in the US. For some people it's a lot worse; for others its just different.
And then with your clinicals you're bouncing around. So I give a lot of credit to those who take the plunge and go offshore to follow their dream and go the "rock" as Ross is called and work through the adversity, high faculty turnover ratios, problems with the clinical department, being away from friends family, loved ones...not to mention their favorite brand of toilet paper! And they still end up doing pretty well. There was a vascular surgery match at Ross last year at Mt. Sinai. There was a neuorosurgery match at AUC another year and 25% of SGU grads become chief residents in years past.
So yeah I give those students that make it through (while watching 10-40% of their class fail out) lots of credit.

But I'm still choosing Midwestern.
I just had the pleasure of chatting with the doc I mentioned before that's the SGU grad and been in practice for 20 years. He said take whatever you get in the US. Less red tape. And it's 98% the same as the MD route.
And I'm learning more and more that the differences between MD and DO....are differences that I like. I like the idea that you have some extra tools in your arsenal with the manipulations. And I think that's a way to draw a more niche clientel into your practice. I like the idea that I'll be trained more in diet and exercise; it suits my original major of kinesiology and my belief that health, wellness, and preventative medicine should come first. Before you prescribe ACE inhibitors, Beta blockers, etc...why not try and educate your patients about diet and exercise? Reward them when they shed a few lbs and don't be afraid to chastise them a little (I know I will take flack for this comment but metabolic disease is costing this country billions of excess dollars in healthcare costs..trillions over the long run) and be firm that they need to take more walks and cut down on the sweets.
On the latter part there though while diet and exercise is incorporate into the DO philosophy I don't see applying that as a function of whether or not you're an MD or DO; it's more a function of you and what your individual beliefs are. I like many others wish I could have unlimited time with patients; that medical professionals billed themselves out like lawyers by the hour rounded up to the nearest 15 minute segment. But that's not the case. Time is limited and how do you educate patients in that short time frame? It's tough. So my best guess would be to direct them to other resources; books, other health professionals etc. It's more efficient that way.

So why DO? It would be nice to have my back cracked everyday for sure but that's not only it. I think I'm a better fit amongst the student body. Midwestern had such a relaxed and laid back atmosphere that I think my workout pants and flip-flops will fit in perfectly. Everyone there just seems so united in their mission to increase overall health. I feel that this is the best way to help patients. While it's not as mainsteam as per sae the MD route with the brand recognition that doesn't mean anything. At the end of the day is the patient better or are they worse and how is their overall health? There are so many more aspects to a patient than a disease. Granted like many others on this thread I'll take UA over Midwestern (in state tuition baby plus they do a lot of the holistic health stuff down there) I like the DO route more and more each day.

So I have no idea what direction I was trying to go with this post so I'll end it here 🙂
 
Haha, no worries about that rant. That's what we're here for 🙂

Well, it's good to know where you'll be. Who knows, you'll probably meet up with me and Renny later :laugh:

I just wanted to say more one more thing about Carib before we leave it and I think your doctor pointed it out by actually not pointing it out. If you ask me, the last thing I'm concerned about is stigma. When you asked your doctor about what to do, he said red tape, which is what I am mainly concerned about.

People like to bring up stigma on the DO as well and yeah, it's there, but every stigma can be overcome and is the least of my worries. Otherwise, it would be run #3, coming up.

Another thing I wanted to note is that those differences you mentioned between DO and MD really aren't at apparent. The consensus among the current DO students is there really isn't a difference beyond OMM. The 'philosophy' thing is more tradition and from personal experience, several of the MD schools in TX where I visited have ethics and nutrition courses that are required.

In the end, we're all physicians...we can be as pill pushy as we are about exercise and eating right. It's really up to the person and what they want from their education and their future.

Anyhow, I'm happy for you and your decision. Again, maybe we'll see each other in Fall 🙂
 
At the end of the day, whether DO or MD, whether carib or azcom, where anything you will still be a successful practicing physician. Now make it easy on yourself and come to azcom. I need someone to play madden 09 (or call of duty u can pick) during the many study breaks.
 
At the end of the day, whether DO or MD, whether carib or azcom, where anything you will still be a successful practicing physician. Now make it easy on yourself and come to azcom. I need someone to play madden 09 (or call of duty u can pick) during the many study breaks.

I will most likely be going to AZCOM and I'm a video game fanatic, so we can play COD, Fight Night, or w/e new stuff comes out haha. Btw, if you or anyone else on this forum has PS3 my PSN ID is Dciple as well, feel free to look me up!
 
Its decided...I will be going to AZCOM. I am not sure I want to go east coast, and AZCOM is a great school and the people are more my style! :horns:
 
Hey, congrats on everyone deciding on where to go. Also, yeah Dr. Franken, I totally agree: physicians are self made, wherever you go. It might waver here and there, but I think anyone can rise above generalizations and preconceptions.

Wow, two gaming buffs coming? Sign me up, although, I'm more of a PC gamer if that matters at all. I'm always down for a game of L4D or TF2 if you two play that. As for CoD, is it 4 or the newest one?
 
COD 4 for sure i still havent even played the new one. And for fight night...that title is mine im ranked as high as a ortha surgeon graduating from azcom when it comes to fight night 🙂 For pc games, it was always starcraft and diablo 🙂
 
Hey, congrats on everyone deciding on where to go. Also, yeah Dr. Franken, I totally agree: physicians are self made, wherever you go. It might waver here and there, but I think anyone can rise above generalizations and preconceptions.

Wow, two gaming buffs coming? Sign me up, although, I'm more of a PC gamer if that matters at all. I'm always down for a game of L4D or TF2 if you two play that. As for CoD, is it 4 or the newest one?

I played 4 forever last year, I've been playing World at War recently. However, since I own a PS3, Killzone 2 dropped a couple weeks ago and I've been obsessed with it ever since lol.

I used to be a PC gamer back in the day, Diablo II and Warcraft (not wow though) were my games of choice. In fact, whenever Diablo III comes out I will more than likely get it.
 
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