BOWWLING TOURNAMENT GAME THREAD

[Viscernable]

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just so you all know I’m alive... finally have a sec of free time and OH MY GOODNESS DO YOU ALL HAVE A LOT TO SAY... The noob game coddled me 😩

It’s mostly jokes at this point, so no worries, it’s not heavy reading.

 

[Viscernable]

Is this part of a strategy that creates destabilizing footing, in order to enhance wolf catching? Because it seems like a repetition of simple questions and regular grilling could work for that.

I see you and AM have met now

 

[Truenamer]

It’s mostly jokes at this point, so no worries, it’s not heavy reading.

Basically just lots of sassy yeeting and circular logic (of which I'm guilty 😁)

 

[Zenge142]

That would be quite hypocritical of him

Fishing for angry reacts, I see.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Are you assigning any village points for that question? I marked it a zero.

No, I was simply answering. Probably more than just him that are curious about it.

 

[WildZoo]

Fishing for angry reacts, I see.

I would never...

 

[Viscernable]

I have no idea what this means.

Meaning your whip and eyebrows are strategic interrogation/intimidation

 

[WildZoo]

I got the first crossvoting, then her saying you have more of an attitude when wolfing, then you disagreeing, but the disagreement after that and what your post to Pippy has to do with it lost me.

If I can do a little AM translation...she was pointing out an example of a wolf treating her similarly to how she perceived genny was treating her here.

It's maybe something to think about but I don't know that I see wolf!genny approaching AM the same way wolf!pippy does. I can't remember when they were last w/v outside of HZD and well, I'm bad at remembering that kind of thing from games I modded.

 

[puppydogtor]

I do find it interesting how much strategizing is going on in the first day. For more experienced players- how much can you actually figure out in the first day without any info from NAs or NKs? Is it actually productive to put so much thought into it?

 

[WildZoo]

Pippy claimed that I was wrong regarding memory of her read rate on another player. I was right. (And she was a wolf.)

I should have kept reading before I posted lol interpretation not needed apparently

 

[Lawpy]

And we’re reverse

 

[Zenge142]

I don't know that I see wolf!genny approaching AM the same way wolf!pippy does.

I think this is the crux of it

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry again for saying you stand out, my only experience playing with you is when you were a tree stump and you weren't participating as much. I'm not saying I'm reading you wolf or village.

Don't apologize, he loves the attention

 

[Viscernable]

Went back and read her posts in wolf and nonwolf games because she's standing out in this one, then let my hindbrain chew on it while I did other stuff. Same way I solve any problem :3

Which games? What patterns are you seeing?

 

[Lawpy]

To add on to that: in an environment of noobs, it's easier to read bandwagons and misyeets, I would think, because a villager nervous about playing wrong can consult her own range of reactions as a template for establishing who is village. The chaos is really beneficial. I strongly suspect that won't work as well in this game, and while I want to pick up a little of that "use your own theories and reactions as a guide to others" mentality to use here, I think it would lead me wrong to rely on it. So I'm probably going to discuss more and post more lists, and ask people for their village poe lists.

This! In the noob game we were all swimming upstream, then in the speed game things went so fast you basically had no choice but to vote on instinct. With all the metas and "in emojis you..." type things I'm just wishing I had a manator at this point.
Alas, my manator is running the game.

This gives me an idea for an Emojis 2 WW game 🤔

 

[WildZoo]

I do find it interesting how much strategizing is going on in the first day. For more experienced players- how much can you actually figure out in the first day without any info from NAs or NKs? Is it actually productive to put so much thought into it?

It's a point of much contention. I consider it a wasted day to not strategize and interact with people d1. You might not catch a wolf, sure, but it provides more data to look back at later. Elevate village play and wolves have to try to keep up to stay out of the POE.

We probably don't vote out wolves d1 any more often than we would by chance, but at least for me...I seem to get better reads from more active d1s. Usually.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I do find it interesting how much strategizing is going on in the first day. For more experienced players- how much can you actually figure out in the first day without any info from NAs or NKs? Is it actually productive to put so much thought into it?

You can certainly catch wolves on the first day and it has been done a good number of times, but of course, longer game = more info generated. It's certainly worth it to pay attention and try forming reads just like you would on any other day, but don't force yourself into reads you don't believe in if you're coming up blank.

 

[Viscernable]

@Lawpy disappeared 😞


Why are you so curious?

Why are you not?

 

[Lawpy]

That's what I thought previously, but in the noob game one of the wolves was extremely forward and was one of the most active "wolfhunters" to conceal her status and reach parity. So I can't put as much stock in that sort of thing. (Ask bluestoat, she knows!)

Wasn’t that active wolf really a deepwolf who was bussing hard?

 

[Truenamer]

Which games? What patterns are you seeing?

Mostly Bowwnty hunting, Wwedding, and ggoats. Hard to put the feelings I get into words, humans are complicated (I hear they make you study for years before you're allowed to tinker with them). It was more reading to get a better feel for AM and her usual patterns of response and questioning.

When people are in positions of knowledge/authority, they focus on different things and ask different questions. Being a wolf in this game is, in many ways, a position of authority.

 

[Viscernable]

I'm going to be honest, I wasn't exactly cataloging examples and I don't really want to go back through everything right now

Ah, and here we already have the dilemma or whether this is village!noob weirdness or wolf!noob getting caught in a lie.

 

[WildZoo]

Wasn’t that active wolf really a deepwolf who was bussing hard?

Only after the pack was torched by night result misinterpretation and the rojo.

She was active for many days prior to that without bussing.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Ah, and here we already have the dilemma or whether this is village!noob weirdness or wolf!noob getting caught in a lie.

Noob weirdness, I think, though doesn't necessarily mean village. I don't see the point in claiming you've gone back and read through other games just to immediately admit that you didn't pull quotes

 

[Zenge142]

I do find it interesting how much strategizing is going on in the first day. For more experienced players- how much can you actually figure out in the first day without any info from NAs or NKs? Is it actually productive to put so much thought into it?

Eh. D1 successful wolf yeets do happen, but it’s more frequently a villager misyeet. It usually take a while into the first cycle, at least for me, to get a good sense of the game state. It’s my least favorite cycle.

 

[Animal Midwife]

It's a point of much contention. I consider it a wasted day to not strategize and interact with people d1. You might not catch a wolf, sure, but it provides more data to look back at later. Elevate village play and wolves have to try to keep up to stay out of the POE.

We probably don't vote out wolves d1 any more often than we would by chance, but at least for me...I seem to get better reads from more active d1s. Usually.

Adding to this, each day dedicated to non-seriousness pushes the fiscal D1 back. If you have no info other than a night kill (which would then essentially be N0), then D2 becomes D1. And that's one less cycle wolves have to worry about accidentally connecting themselves to their packmates.

 

[justafluff]

I do find it interesting how much strategizing is going on in the first day. For more experienced players- how much can you actually figure out in the first day without any info from NAs or NKs? Is it actually productive to put so much thought into it?

I would agree with you, but one thing @bluestoat had pointed out about Dana in our game was the change in her posting pattern over time.

 

[Truenamer]

Noob weirdness, I think, though doesn't necessarily mean village. I don't see the point in claiming you've gone back and read through other games just to immediately admit that you didn't pull quotes

To be frank, I did this while keeping one eye on a speaker on my work laptop. It wasn't exactly an in-depth textual analysis with citations.

 

[WildZoo]

Adding to this, each day dedicated to non-seriousness pushes the fiscal D1 back. If you have no info other than a night kill (which would then essentially be N0), then D2 becomes D1. And that's one less cycle wolves have to worry about accidentally connecting themselves to their packmates.

I love your use of the word fiscal

 

[Melchizedek]

Sorry again for saying you stand out, my only experience playing with you is when you were a tree stump and you weren't participating as much. I'm not saying I'm reading you wolf or village.

Don't apologize, he loves the attention

Spoiler

 

[Truenamer]

Adding to this, each day dedicated to non-seriousness pushes the fiscal D1 back. If you have no info other than a night kill (which would then essentially be N0), then D2 becomes D1. And that's one less cycle wolves have to worry about accidentally connecting themselves to their packmates.

And this is basically why I've been comfortable dropping my feelings about people. It's really hard to find wolves with no hard information, but if you shake the room and some people act odd, it at least tells you who to pay attention to.

And I'm brand new, so I'm not as worried about seeming weird. You guys don't know me yet, everything I do is weird.

 

[bluestoat]

Noob weirdness, I think, though doesn't necessarily mean village. I don't see the point in claiming you've gone back and read through other games just to immediately admit that you didn't pull quotes

Oh my god

April

I have literally not been hitting the quote button unless I'm preparing a post and going back after an initial iso

This is the dumbest epiphany I've had today good night time for stoats to sleep

(Yes, I didn't teach him the quote button because I'm a *****)

 

[Viscernable]

Pippy claimed that I was wrong regarding memory of her read rate on another player. I was right. (And she was a wolf.)

And you’re saying this is an analogous situation here with genny saying you’re wrong about your spice level being nai?

 

[Truenamer]

Oh my god

April

I have literally not been hitting the quote button unless I'm preparing a post and going back after an initial iso

This is the dumbest epiphany I've had today good night time for stoats to sleep

(Yes, I didn't teach him the quote button because I'm a *****)

OOOH, I wondered why there was both a Quote and Reply button. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[Melchizedek]

I do find it interesting how much strategizing is going on in the first day. For more experienced players- how much can you actually figure out in the first day without any info from NAs or NKs? Is it actually productive to put so much thought into it?

Yes. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Stick to the logic and push people explain themselves. Doesn't matter if its D1 or if its D99.

Ah, and here we already have the dilemma or whether this is village!noob weirdness or wolf!noob getting caught in a lie.

Noob weirdness, I think, though doesn't necessarily mean village. I don't see the point in claiming you've gone back and read through other games just to immediately admit that you didn't pull quotes

This is where I'm at. I did the data generation, now its up to y'all to interpret. I fully admit to always over/under-reading new players.

 

[bluestoat]

@Truenamer There's a quote button on the bottom right of posts, you can click to save posts and multi-quote later, i failed you good night

 

[WildZoo]

now its up to y'all to interpret.

What, so you can crowdsource your reads some more??

 

[Animal Midwife]

I love your use of the word fiscal

Never again will I suffer the yesterDAY fiasco in Bioshock.

 

[Animal Midwife]

And you’re saying this is an analogous situation here with genny saying you’re wrong about your spice level being nai?

Yes and also her saying she's been wrong more than six months in a row. I'm still open to seeing how the rest of the cycle goes, but that bothered me.

 

[Truenamer]

Changed my avatar to reassure anyone who was wolf-reading me. As you can see, I am not at all wolflike.

 

[WildZoo]

Ok one weird side effect of getting used to smaller games and then playing one this size is that I keep thinking my usual highposting buddies have disappeared, but actually it's just that a bunch of other people are talking. I was about to be like "where's samac??" but she's probably asleep.

I'll probably move off Mel, begrudgingly, but between some tentative village leans, hesitancy to oust nooblets, and some policy D1 no-yeets I'm having a hard time figuring out where to move to. I'll sleep on it.

 

[WildZoo]

Cubbie just called himself wolfy in my role PM so maybe I'll yeet the mod, idk

 

[Melchizedek]

OOOH, I wondered why there was both a Quote and Reply button. That makes a lot of sense.

@Truenamer There's a quote button on the bottom right of posts, you can click to save posts and multi-quote later, i failed you good night

Spoiler

 

[Melchizedek]

What, so you can crowdsource your reads some more??

now you're catching on 😉

 

[WildZoo]

It suddenly occurs to me that a few of you now have gotten your SOs to play after you've played like one game, and yet here I am after almost 8 years and Hubz still refuses

 

[Animal Midwife]

It suddenly occurs to me that a few of you now have gotten your SOs to play after you've played like one game, and yet here I am after almost 8 years and Hubz still refuses

I feel like the same will happen to me someday tbh.

 

[Truenamer]

It suddenly occurs to me that a few of you now have gotten your SOs to play after you've played like one game, and yet here I am after almost 8 years and Hubz still refuses

In your Hubz defense, I've played games like this before in Real Life and I've played tons of forum-based tabletop games. It wasn't a big lift.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I feel like the same will happen to me someday tbh.

What if you meet your future SO on SDN or MU

 

[Animal Midwife]

What if you meet your future SO on SDN or MU

Yes, my one-liners are very sexy indeed.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Yes, my one-liners are very sexy indeed.

Maybe if you open yourself to the world of PMs...

 

[WildZoo]

In your Hubz defense, I've played games like this before in Real Life and I've played tons of forum-based tabletop games. It wasn't a big lift.

Oh trust me, he has no excuse.

But I should consider myself lucky that at least he doesn't get upset when I ignore him to play WW and he asks me how games are going and such