GGoats!! - An aMAAAAAHzing WW thread

[genny]

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I'm going to put a vote down for now even though AM scares me.

Yeet AM

I’m so proud of you for making this push. But I also think you’re a billion percent wrong.

 

[genny]

Yeet zenge

 

[Aprilthearab]

This is far from an exhaustive search of AM/Sun interactions, and I was already village reading Sun (now Genny - interested to see how Genny progresses), but just wanted to put this here as reasoning for why I don't think AM/Sun are w/w. Definitely doesn't feel staged or out of the ordinary with all the frustration Sun was already throwing around

Spoiler: AM/Sun Alissa yeet interactions

How does alissa being village affect this?

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 endless eyerolls to you and everyone who liked it for not using your own sense and gaslighting me again for something I explained repeatedly

Yes the progression was you beating a drum for 2 days to push a village yeet, and Mayo coming in with a late and not fully developed alternative.

Again, that's because alissa hardly contributed for those 2 days.

Are we hunting villagers who don’t meet your standards or wolves?

What do you think, sunshine?

well I'm wolf hunting, therefore I didn't vote alissa. what are YOU doing, AM?

well I'm wolfhunting, therefore I pressured alissa

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet zenge

Is there anything specifically that makes me your top wolf read? Do you have questions I can answer?

 

[Aprilthearab]

I’m so proud of you for making this push. But I also think you’re a billion percent wrong.

I realize people are likely to disagree with me and that's okay, I'm pushing who I genuinely suspect. Any actual reasons you think I'm wrong?

 

[genny]

Is there anything specifically that makes me your top wolf read? Do you have questions I can answer?

Yes, tell me more about your read on April.

 

[genny]

I realize people are likely to disagree with me and that's okay, I'm pushing who I genuinely suspect. Any actual reasons you think I'm wrong?

Yes. She has been asking questions consistently and evaluating as per her village meta. The dab gif was particularly villlage imo

 

[Aprilthearab]

Yes. She has been asking questions consistently and evaluating as per her village meta. The dab gif was particularly villlage imo

What do you think about her letting certain arguments slide that she would usually be ripping apart?

What are your reads on everyone else?

 

[kaydubs]

GIFLESS OFFICIAL D4 Yeet Tally

Barks (1) - mkg
April (2) - DubZ, Doggo
Zenge (2) - samac, genny
AM (1) - April


6/11

Leading: —-

Missing: many

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern/11pm AST/9pm Central/7pm fantasyland (~11 HOURS)

CHECK YO VOTES

 

[Zenge142]

Yes, tell me more about your read on April.

I’m really bad at reading April. To me April just seems like April. But since I’ve only ever seen her play as a wolf, I guess that’s wolfy.

I’ll say this, I have a very strong village read on Dubz, and Dubz is voting April. (But also Dubz, if you pocketed me this game I’m going to be so disappointed in myself)

April was also the second largest wagon yesterday and there were a few people on it I am reading village.

I also think, whatever the outcome, we’ll get an enormous amount of information from an April flip.

So if you’re asking Genny,

YEET APRIL

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet zenge

What do you think about that vote-switching move at the end of d2? That's what I'm having the hardest time reconciling with a wolf zenge. Looks sketchy on the surface but can't figure out woof motive that would make it worth the negative attention.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Just making note that Zenge and AM are reasonably compatible for w/w. W/v is definitely possible because these are weak and sparse connections but so far I've got absolutely no reason to read them incompatible.

The Zenge and Doggo push. I don't agree with either but the way she dud it looked fine to me.

I feel like Zenge is playing pretty similarly to the last two games he was in. I image he could be a great wolf too, but I don't understand why he looks worse than alissa.

This reads like classic Village!AM playing 20 questions to me.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Starting to wonder if I'm going to be yeeted regardless of what I say today.

 

[Zenge142]

Also thank you to whoever kept me jailed up safe so nothing bad could happen to me on my birthday 😍

Oh no! Did we miss your birthday!?

Happy Birthday!

 

[Dinashadow]

I still have to read D3. But I wanted to ask who's currently in your POE.

So far, i actually like Lainey's reads on this page, but with barks village, doggo neutral, dina wolfy.

Kinda expected this after I woke up to almost all hmm reacts

Can I ask what you're seeing in Dina, genny? She's pretty far up in my village reads.

Not sure if I should be happy or worried that I'm in your strong village pile

I have april as my top wolf read from D1 and the waffle D2. I did not feel Mayo/April was w/w but I wasn't sure who was who

Zenge has not been making a lot of sense to me. I feel he is normally a strong villager, but have not seen that this game

I put AM in my neutral pile because I feel like she is wolf hunting but something is off and I can't quite pinpoint it

Sunny/genny is in my neutral pile because I want to hear some from genny before I put her in my wolf lean pile

samac is where she is cause I need to do an iso on her, and that wont happen till this afternoon after my exam

Dina, also need to do an iso on her.

mkg, I feel like she is learning and trying to do the best she can, actively wolf hunting, and being helpful


Dubz, I feel like is wolf hunting and actively trying to figure out her POE and is acting along her village lines

Cray, mason claim, no reason to not believe her

Barks, acting like her village self, actively participating, not throwing shade, asking questions being decently transparent about her thoughts

I've noticed you've been reading barks strong village the whole game. I remember in emojis I thought you had mentioned having trouble reading her, so I was wondering what is different this game to make you so sure. She's been in my slight village pile, but I'm getting paranoid after emojis with her and no wolves caught yet.

Caught up finally. I have AM and Samac at the top of my sus list but I don't think they're compatible as w/w and I have more wolfy points to hand out to AM than Samac, especially when AM's villaging hits me in the face from D1 and she has not done that here. I am moving AM to my top wolf read and seeing what kind of a pack I can make out of that.

Do you think AM/samac is w/w? I was wolf leaning samac yesterday, but thought she might be in a pack with mayo or sunny, but with mayo flipping village I have to reevaluate where she fits in my reads.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Statistics. The odds all the strongest most active are vets, village, AND only caught a 3P so far seems small.

This is where AM's boasting is a bit counterproductive. If she's so good we can't win without her, then when she's alive and we're not doing so great, you have to start wondering if she's wolf. This goes for the other players I said.

I live for the day the pedestal is removed like I asked.

This game is RNG, Cray. If you had individual reason to suspect us, then fine, but rng doesn't go xyz percentage of experienced players must be a wolf.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Dithering at the end of day 2.
But mostly feels while reading through. Hasn’t done anything to really come across as village to me. So I’m not sure why she would be a stronger village read for you.

I've been agreeing with almost all of her reads and I liked the quote comparisons she was doing deep dives on.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So to clarify... You're wolf reading me because I didn't pull quotes to support my mayo read?

I can totally understand you sussing me because I pushed for mayo. Thing is, I wasn't the only person who pushed there. Villagers can be wrong, and often are, otherwise the game would be a landslide village win every time. But to say what makes the difference between myself and the others is because of one time where I made a subjective meta analysis and didn't pull quotes is a really weak argument. I had multiple other reasons to vote mayo that I detailed, and you cherry-picked the one that supported your case. The one quote you pulled wasn't even from the time when I was pushing mayo - I wasn't voting for him on Tuesday - it was just clarifying for samac.

The fact that AM didn't rip apart your argument and just nodded along like "Good, push the misyeet so I don't have to" is giving AM major sketch points.

I should rip apart the argument from a village read on a wolfread? Outside that, why does the timing matter if you legitimately consistently suspected him?

 

[Zenge142]

I live for the day the pedestal is removed like I asked.

This game is RNG, Cray. If you had individual reason to suspect us, then fine, but rng doesn't go xyz percentage of experienced players must be a wolf.

I’m pretty sure the point Cray is making is that it’s weird that the people, who she considers the strongest players are all still alive.

I think she expected the wolves would have used their NKs to make an effort to kill those people, but they haven’t, and so it’s an anomaly.

 

[Crayola227]

I live for the day the pedestal is removed like I asked.

This game is RNG, Cray. If you had individual reason to suspect us, then fine, but rng doesn't go xyz percentage of experienced players must be a wolf.

That's hardly what I was trying to say. But with RNG I highly doubt an all noob wolf pack. It didn't happen last time and not likely here.

If 50% of players are noobs, and 50% are vets, then the wolf pack statistically is most likely to be a mix. You can get all of one or another, but that's less common.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Caught up finally. I have AM and Samac at the top of my sus list but I don't think they're compatible as w/w and I have more wolfy points to hand out to AM than Samac, especially when AM's villaging hits me in the face from D1 and she has not done that here. I am moving AM to my top wolf read and seeing what kind of a pack I can make out of that.

Since when does it hit you in the face? The two times you were village you kept calling me sketchy well into midgame.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Not sure if I should be happy or worried that I'm in your strong village pile

Why worried?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I’m pretty sure the point Cray is making is that it’s weird that the people, who she considers the strongest players are all still alive.

I think she expected the wolves would have used their NKs to make an effort to kill those people, but they haven’t, and so it’s an anomaly.

Without a wolf flip it's hard to get context for these events though. I remember a game where I was left alive the whole time despite correct calling out the whole team the cycle before mylo. Village was paranoid enough that they split votes and the rest was the rest.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Do you think AM/samac is w/w? I was wolf leaning samac yesterday, but thought she might be in a pack with mayo or sunny, but with mayo flipping village I have to reevaluate where she fits in my reads.

I said right in the post you quoted I don't think AM and Samac are w/w lol

 

[Animal Midwife]

That's hardly what I was trying to say. But with RNG I highly doubt an all noob wolf pack. It didn't happen last time and not likely here.

If 50% of players are noobs, and 50% are vets, then the wolf pack statistically is most likely to be a mix. You can get all of one or another, but that's less common.

Cray, that's what R(andom)NG is. I've batted again entirely noob teams multiple times on here. It's just as common as completely experienced packs or mixed packs.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeet April

 

[Aprilthearab]

I should rip apart the argument from a village read on a wolfread? Outside that, why does the timing matter if you legitimately consistently suspected him?

The village!AM I am familiar with will rip apart any argument from anyone if it is not sound reasoning because you believe it is best for village gameplay to be logical and based on sound reasoning. The fact that you've held off on ripping apart a shaky argument that has shaky basis is making me think you are refraining out of bias because you'd like to see me misyeeted today.

Context matters. The quote she pulled was not my wolf argument against mayo, it was an answer for Samac. She seemingly intentionally pulled a quote that, without context, sounds like my wolf!mayo argument and sounds really shaky on its own instead of pulling one of my actual wolf!mayo arguments that DOES have quotes and DOES have solid reasoning which was her problem with the quote she pulled. Cherry picked evidence.

 

[Animal Midwife]

The village!AM I am familiar with will rip apart any argument from anyone if it is not sound reasoning because you believe it is best for village gameplay to be logical and based on sound reasoning. The fact that you've held off on ripping apart a shaky argument that has shaky basis is making me think you are refraining out of bias because you'd like to see me misyeeted today.

Context matters. The quote she pulled was not my wolf argument against mayo, it was an answer for Samac. She seemingly intentionally pulled a quote that, without context, sounds like my wolf!mayo argument and sounds really shaky on its own instead of pulling one of my actual wolf!mayo arguments that DOES have quotes and DOES have solid reasoning which was her problem with the quote she pulled. Cherry picked evidence.

I don't think it's cherrypicked. At worst you can argue right wolf, wrong reason but it seemed completely topical to me. I don't understand why you're expecting me to defend you anyway if I'm really your top wolfread.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I also want to point that, yesterday, April kept making comments about not bussing mayo and how she can't be wolfread for that, but no arguments were made against them being w/v.

 

[Dinashadow]

I said right in the post you quoted I don't think AM and Samac are w/w lol

sorry, I'm still waking up and apparently not reading things fully

 

[Aprilthearab]

Since when does it hit you in the face? The two times you were village you kept calling me sketchy well into midgame.

Bad wording on my part. Your gameplay was very consistent through the four games I've played with you. Yeah, two of those times I was wolf so obviously I knew the answer. But your gameplay here is different than all four of those games and village!AM should be more apparent to me at this point but isn't.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I also want to point that, yesterday, April kept making comments about not bussing mayo and how she can't be wolfread for that, but no arguments were made against them being w/v.

And no arguments were made against us being w/w. That's my point. People were saying it was possible for us to be w/w because of my "bussing history."

 

[genny]

What do you think about that vote-switching move at the end of d2? That's what I'm having the hardest time reconciling with a wolf zenge. Looks sketchy on the surface but can't figure out woof motive that would make it worth the negative attention.

I don’t know, since I haven’t seen zenge wolf yet. I wouldn’t assign wolf points for a last-minute wagon like that unless alissa had flipped wolf, so I don’t see why that move would be risky for a wolf.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I don't think it's cherrypicked. At worst you can argue right wolf, wrong reason but it seemed completely topical to me. I don't understand why you're expecting me to defend you anyway if I'm really your top wolfread.

I'm not expecting you to defend me. I'd expect you to nitpick a weak argument regardless of what it reflects me as.

 

[Zenge142]

I don’t know, since I haven’t seen zenge wolf yet. I wouldn’t assign wolf points for a last-minute wagon like that unless alissa had flipped wolf, so I don’t see why that move would be risky for a wolf.

Just so I’m clear, are you unsure about why I did it, or have you read my explanation, and don’t believe it?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Bad wording on my part. Your gameplay was very consistent through the four games I've played with you. Yeah, two of those times I was wolf so obviously I knew the answer. But your gameplay here is different than all four of those games and village!AM should be more apparent to me at this point but isn't.

You always said you were too scared to vote for me, not that you village read me.

And no arguments were made against us being w/w. That's my point. People were saying it was possible for us to be w/w because of my "bussing history."

Yes. I said arguments against you being w/v.

I'm not expecting you to defend me. I'd expect you to nitpick a weak argument regardless of what it reflects me as.

Here's another question. Why does it upset you that a top wolfread didn't dig you out of a hole and simultaneously not bother you that top village reads didn't assist either?

 

[Aprilthearab]

You always said you were too scared to vote for me, not that you village read me.

My argument was simply it is usually clear to most people when you are village and I am not the only one who has felt you've been off this game.

Yes. I said arguments against you being w/v.

I know. Your problem was with me emphasizing that I wasn't bussing - I emphasized that because people were thinking w/w was possible. I was arguing w/w was not going on. I was frustrated with people assuming I might be bussing. End of story. You're right, people weren't discounting w/v, but I don't know what w/v has to do with all of this because the point of the argument was about w/w.

Here's another question. Why does it upset you that a top wolfread didn't dig you out of a hole and simultaneously not bother you that top village reads didn't assist either?

Because, again, I am not asking for assistance, I am not asking for defense, you are missing the point of my argument. My concern comes down to your interaction with Lainey. You. Lainey. NOT ME. I wouldn't care if she was making a case against one of my top wolf reads or one of my top village reads or myself. This is not about me, this is not about who she was wolf reading. This is about YOU not nitpicking an argument which is OUT OF CHARACTER for YOU as a villager. I've seen you tear apart arguments of your village reads just as much as your wolf reads and I find it very unusual that you would just let that slide because it was a weak argument that you would usually be all over regardless of your read on that person because you want to see the gameplay improve. And you have emphasized in games before that you want your village reads to improve their gameplay just as much as anyone else, thus you criticize gameplay regardless of your reads.

You are seriously distorting my arguments and making them about what you want to hear and not about what I am saying.

 

[WildZoo]

I don’t know, since I haven’t seen zenge wolf yet. I wouldn’t assign wolf points for a last-minute wagon like that unless alissa had flipped wolf, so I don’t see why that move would be risky for a wolf.

Yeah I meant more the flip and flip back and the attention it draws. I don't see the positive that warrants that negative. But I also believe his explanation, probably because it sounds like something I would do if I felt like being feisty lol

 

[genny]

Just so I’m clear, are you unsure about why I did it, or have you read my explanation, and don’t believe it?

I understand your explanation, and I don’t find it incompatible with wolfing.

 

[WildZoo]

I’ll say this, I have a very strong village read on Dubz, and Dubz is voting April. (But also Dubz, if you pocketed me this game I’m going to be so disappointed in myself)

What if it is you that has pocketed me

 

[samac]

I know AM was your initial D1 vote and you said here she skeeves you out. Do you feel any differently about her now?

AM always skeeves me out. She comes out aggro and it seems like she’s compensating for something. The actual thing for me was I don’t remember her being boastful saying “look at me I’m so important!” when I’ve played with her/toted a game she was in. That gave me sketchy AM vibes and I have a hard time shaking it.
One thing I’ve noted with AM is she always questions noobs. With all of that though I’m looking back at her posts and I haven’t seen her question Zenge much at all. Zenge has in turn defended her and not questioned her.
Zenge is my wolfiest read right now and I find all that suspicious for the possibility of them being W/W.

 

[Zenge142]

What if it is you that has pocketed me

We’ve pocketed each other. It’s just pockets all the way down.

 

[Zenge142]

With all of that though I’m looking back at her posts and I haven’t seen her question Zenge much at all. Zenge has in turn defended her and not questioned her.
Zenge is my wolfiest read right now and I find all that suspicious for the possibility of them being W/W.

I not only could, I literally did make the exact same argument about you and Mayo. Considering that Mayo flipped village, your argument is flawed.

 

[Aprilthearab]

AM always skeeves me out. She comes out aggro and it seems like she’s compensating for something. The actual thing for me was I don’t remember her being boastful saying “look at me I’m so important!” when I’ve played with her/toted a game she was in. That gave me sketchy AM vibes and I have a hard time shaking it.
One thing I’ve noted with AM is she always questions noobs. With all of that though I’m looking back at her posts and I haven’t seen her question Zenge much at all. Zenge has in turn defended her and not questioned her.
Zenge is my wolfiest read right now and I find all that suspicious for the possibility of them being W/W.

Agreed about the inflated self-importance this game that I haven't seen in previous games. It was always implied, but I've never seen her advertise it so blatantly before.

AM, if you are so key to village, why haven't you died yet?

I will say, about AM/Zenge, she liked his gameplay in the previous two games too even to the point of talking in dead chat about wishing he was her manatee. So I'm not surprised she hasn't poked him much. But I am still dumbfounded about why she didn't rip apart Lainey's argument last night.

I do agree AM/Zenge has w/w potential.

 

[Aprilthearab]

AM always skeeves me out. She comes out aggro and it seems like she’s compensating for something. The actual thing for me was I don’t remember her being boastful saying “look at me I’m so important!” when I’ve played with her/toted a game she was in. That gave me sketchy AM vibes and I have a hard time shaking it.
One thing I’ve noted with AM is she always questions noobs. With all of that though I’m looking back at her posts and I haven’t seen her question Zenge much at all. Zenge has in turn defended her and not questioned her.
Zenge is my wolfiest read right now and I find all that suspicious for the possibility of them being W/W.

Also, about AM coming out aggro, I feel like she's actually been less so this game. After playing with her for a few games, I can say being aggro feels like one of her village trademarks, even if to you it feels like she's compensating for something. She's toned it down just slightly this game and that makes me worried.

 

[WildZoo]

Is it too early to enter existential crisis mode

 

[Zenge142]

I understand your explanation, and I don’t find it incompatible with wolfing.

Okay, so let me ask you this:

It’s clear from your limited post history, you think AM is village and April is wolf.

Why are you voting for me, over April?

Because when I asked you about your suspicions of me, your response was to ask me about my April read.

So it seems like, not all, but a lot of your suspicions of me, are based on thinking that April is a Wolf, and her and you think her and I have been buddy buddy.

So I guess if your suspicions of me are (primarily, based on your questioning of me) based on your read of April being a wolf, wouldn’t your top wolf read logically be April then?

Furthermore, AM has said she thinks I’m village, and visa versa, and we’ve defended each other in arguments on the thread. April is currently postulating that AM and I are wolfing together. If you think AM is village, she thinks I’m village, and she’s voting for April, and your suspicions of me, are primarily tied to thinking April and I are in a pack, then why are you voting for me over April?

Can you see the incongruity there? Can you reconcile that for me?

 

[WildZoo]

I keep going back and forth between thinking maybe shorty was onto zenge right before she died and then remembering that she thought he was a wolf for most of Emoji dead chat. Hmm hmm.

Also my greenest villagers have voiced suspicion of him but so have my reddest wolves.

This is a pickle.

 

[supershorty]

and then remembering that she thought he was a wolf for most of Emoji dead chat.

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Aw man, felt that guilt punch all the way up in the great pasture in the sky.
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[WildZoo]

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Aw man, felt that guilt punch all the way up in the great pasture in the sky.
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Don't feel too bad, wasn't he going around the house howling or something?