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Zenge142 said:
I not only could, I literally did make the exact same argument about you and Mayo. Considering that Mayo flipped village, your argument is flawed.
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Your argument for us was that we were reading each other as village as wolves and that I defended him.
my argument is you all made a couple “yeah you exist and you’re fine” comments. Feels wolf wolf.
Zenge142 said:
I’ve got neutral reads on all four of you.

This list of names was posted by someone who been very noticeably absent, and without any deduction or reasoning. In a way it’s a blank canvas.

By answering how you see the canvas, I can compare it to my own interpretations and see whether or not we see the game state through a similar lens, or if there are variations.

I can then use those variations, to surmise why you might see the game state in a different light than I do, why that might be, and whether I need to adjust my own interpretations.
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Safe answer for a wolf. “Neutral on all of you” and a bunch of fluffy words for I’m watching you.
Zenge142 said:
How do you know the wolves took her out, and not 3p?
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For someone who is supposed to be a power player this seems intentionally dense. One kill at night=3rd party? I don’t get that leap at all. I think it’s a wolf just trying to throw others off their game.
Zenge142 said:
I guess what confuses me about this whole thing is this: Isn’t the Mason role just a secret PM where you both know you’re village?

If that’s the case I don’t get why Cray feels like that being revealed makes her a target. If she is a Mason, and had the private PM with TME, once TME is dead, then Cray’s is basically just a Vanillager at that point, right? She’s not really a PR threat right?

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this also seems intentionally dense. Saying you don’t get the worry about Cray’s safety because of the role reveal. She was confirmed village and you were questioning the importance of it and why that would effect things?
Zenge142 said:
UNYEET ALISSA

YEET DOGGO
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I’ve harped on this numerous times.
Zenge142 said:
I decided to ISO Samac’s posts. There’s only like 20 posts or so in total, so there’s not a lot of actual content to go through, but what is in those posts is an unhealthy amount of agreeing with, and white knighting for Mayo.

Pressing April on her Mayo vote:

Fighting with April on April’s Mayo vote:

Backing up Mayo and attacking AM and Dubz to be aligned with Mayo:

Continuing to attack AM and Dubz, parroting Mayo (Mayo was the only one to “like” react to this btw):



White Knighting for Mayo again:

And again:

How’s that ISO going?


This is a pretty ridiculous amount of white knighting someone who a lot of other people see as sketch, and Samac is just willfully blind to it, maybe intentionally.
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I quoted this to show how different what you said I was doing and what I say you and AM are doing is.
You’re extra fluffy.
and it’s not just your extra words.
You’re a wolf.
 
Dinashadow said:
I've noticed you've been reading barks strong village the whole game. I remember in emojis I thought you had mentioned having trouble reading her, so I was wondering what is different this game to make you so sure. She's been in my slight village pile, but I'm getting paranoid after emojis with her and no wolves caught yet.
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Hmmm I might have... I honestly don't remember or if it was in that moment I had a hard time reading her.

For me her playstyle is different than the Emoji game. For the first two days she was more active, asking questions, and giving reads. Yesterday she was a lot more quiet, but I know that's due to IRL things, so its NAI.
 
Alright screw it.

I don’t think I can save myself this cycle, but I think I can save the cycle itself.

I think a waffle fest ending with me is imminent, and so I think my only viable choice is to use the nuclear option.

Role reveal time: I’m the village jailer.

I tried leaving breadcrumbs to highlight that. Italicizing words like criminal, shiv, cages. Hasn’t seem to have gotten through to anyone so screw it.

For the record: N1: Jailed AM. N2: Jailed Cray. N3: Jailed Dubz.

That’s why I was pontificating about 3p kill possibility, because I assumed maybe the wolves had tried to kill AM, failed, and then a 3p killed enigma, because Enigma wasn’t an obvious wolf target.

For the record, I really don’t think April is wolfing. I do think AM is. Pretty much everyone on this thread has commented on how they don’t know what’s going on with AM, how it’s not her usual play style, etc. etc. but then no one does anything.

UNYEET APRIL

YEET AM

Good luck village, see y’all in dead chat. I’m out.

P.S. Samac- I hope you have some really good yeet insurance for all this tunneling you’ve been doing of me, because when I flip, you’re either going to be a sorry villager or an over exposed wolf.
 
@Zenge142 I am confused. I believe you, but I am confused.

We still have eight hours left in the cycle and the pressure put on you hasn't felt like as much as on me. I was, and probably still am, on track to get yeeted tonight. I'm confused why you would yeet me if you didn't believe in it, and why you wouldn't make a case for AM if you did believe in it. Doing the opposite of what you truly believe is not villagey. I'm confused about the timing of this role reveal when there was a push for you but most of us aren't out for your blood.

Again, I believe you, your role is easily verifiable by a confirmed villager. But... Why?
 
Zenge142 said:
Alright screw it.

I don’t think I can save myself this cycle, but I think I can save the cycle itself.

I think a waffle fest ending with me is imminent, and so I think my only viable choice is to use the nuclear option.

Role reveal time: I’m the village jailer.

I tried leaving breadcrumbs to highlight that. Italicizing words like criminal, shiv, cages. Hasn’t seem to have gotten through to anyone so screw it.

For the record: N1: Jailed AM. N2: Jailed Cray. N3: Jailed Dubz.

That’s why I was pontificating about 3p kill possibility, because I assumed maybe the wolves had tried to kill AM, failed, and then a 3p killed enigma, because Enigma wasn’t an obvious wolf target.

For the record, I really don’t think April is wolfing. I do think AM is. Pretty much everyone on this thread has commented on how they don’t know what’s going on with AM, how it’s not her usual play style, etc. etc. but then no one does anything.

UNYEET APRIL

YEET AM

Good luck village, see y’all in dead chat. I’m out.

P.S. Samac- I hope you have some really good yeet insurance for all this tunneling you’ve been doing of me, because when I flip, you’re either going to be a sorry villager or an over exposed wolf.
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I’m shook. You’ve been so sketchy. This feels like such a weird move when there’s a couple people on you and you crumpled under the pressure.

For those of you more experienced then me, is it possible for the jailer to be a wolf? I’m just trying to make sense of everything and right now nothing seems to make sense
Aprilthearab said:
@Zenge142 I am confused. I believe you, but I am confused.

We still have eight hours left in the cycle and the pressure put on you hasn't felt like as much as on me. I was, and probably still am, on track to get yeeted tonight. I'm confused why you would yeet me if you didn't believe in it, and why you wouldn't make a case for AM if you did believe in it. Doing the opposite of what you truly believe is not villagey. I'm confused about the timing of this role reveal when there was a push for you but most of us aren't out for your blood.

Again, I believe you, your role is easily verifiable by a confirmed villager. But... Why?
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I agree. I have no idea why he would reveal he has a PR when we still have all of this time left in the cycle. If he’s not a wolf he just threw himself out there
 
Like basically if you are village you just all but guaranteed you die if you survive today, and given there probably isn't another protective role in the game, that's like...wat. Why. Why would you do that.

Also what April said about the AM thing given you just said you were reading her village earlier??

I am so confused rn
 
Barkley13 said:
I don't understand jailing cray over shorty that night

Super don't understand this
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Him jailing cray was a weird choice.
Cray revealed as Mason, confirmed villager, not dead -> jailed
shorty, soft confirmed villager through actions with cray, revealed as PR -> Dead.
 
genny said:
Why would a wolf jailer go for cray? Jail shorty and block her action so you look village, kill cray. Kill shorty the next night.
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I see it the other way.
cray was hard confirmed village as Mason, jail her for street cred later on and kill the person you know has a night action.
 
Hmmmm. I see genny's point. I think in that situation if I had a wolf jailer in the pack, I'd recommend jailing shorty, killing cray, then killing shorty the next night. Get the cred from shorty protection, and then have the excuse of not being able to use the same action consecutively to explain why she dies the next night.

Plus here cray is still alive and barring the tiny chance that she was lying about the unconvertible thing, that could be an indication that wolves were worried about her being protected.


Hmmmm.
 
WildZoo said:
Hmmmm. I see genny's point. I think in that situation if I had a wolf jailer in the pack, I'd recommend jailing shorty, killing cray, then killing shorty the next night. Get the cred from shorty protection, and then have the excuse of not being able to use the same action consecutively to explain why she dies the next night.

Plus here cray is still alive and barring the tiny chance that she was lying about the unconvertible thing, that could be an indication that wolves were worried about her being protected.


Hmmmm.
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That is also a fair point.
I’m just not sure I understand why the cred would have been more if they protected shorty over cray. I think the wolves made the wrong call night one.
A reason I could see wolves keeping her alive is her reads are favoring them. A confirmed villager keeping you safe with wrong reads is powerful. I think that’s part of the reason I lived in cartoons for so long as a confirmed villager.

Cray publicly mentioned she was jailed when it happened and I already didn’t understand why she wasn’t killed the next night because from my knowledge of the game you often can’t use those protective abilities on the same person 2 nights in a row, but I didn’t want to draw attention to it and get her killed.
 
samac said:
That is also a fair point.
I’m just not sure I understand why the cred would have been more if they protected shorty over cray. I think the wolves made the wrong call night one.
A reason I could see wolves keeping her alive is her reads are favoring them. A confirmed villager keeping you safe with wrong reads is powerful. I think that’s part of the reason I lived in cartoons for so long as a confirmed villager.

Cray publicly mentioned she was jailed when it happened and I already didn’t understand why she wasn’t killed the next night because from my knowledge of the game you often can’t use those protective abilities on the same person 2 nights in a row, but I didn’t want to draw attention to it and get her killed.
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Whether or not actions can be used on the same player consecutively is really mod-dependent. I often don't allow it (because as a player I think it's no fun to be blocked 3 nights in a row, or as a wolf to not be able to kill a clear villager because they keep getting protected), but it varies. Some mods will say no more than 2 nights in a row, or not have restrictions on it at all.
 
Aprilthearab said:
I know. Your problem was with me emphasizing that I wasn't bussing - I emphasized that because people were thinking w/w was possible. I was arguing w/w was not going on. I was frustrated with people assuming I might be bussing. End of story. You're right, people weren't discounting w/v, but I don't know what w/v has to do with all of this because the point of the argument was about w/w.
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I'm talking about you discounting w/v.
Aprilthearab said:
Because, again, I am not asking for assistance, I am not asking for defense, you are missing the point of my argument. My concern comes down to your interaction with Lainey. You. Lainey. NOT ME. I wouldn't care if she was making a case against one of my top wolf reads or one of my top village reads or myself. This is not about me, this is not about who she was wolf reading. This is about YOU not nitpicking an argument which is OUT OF CHARACTER for YOU as a villager. I've seen you tear apart arguments of your village reads just as much as your wolf reads and I find it very unusual that you would just let that slide because it was a weak argument that you would usually be all over regardless of your read on that person because you want to see the gameplay improve. And you have emphasized in games before that you want your village reads to improve their gameplay just as much as anyone else, thus you criticize gameplay regardless of your reads.
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So an interaction Lainey had with you is my problem because I didn't stick for you when you couldn't stick up for yourself?
 
I thought jailing cray made more sense because she was harder cleared village than shorty, but I see the argument of a wolf jailing cray for cred and NKing shorty because her PR was scarier for a wolf. I just don't think we can use that analysis to decide if zenge is wolf or village This is probably zenge's first time with a PR like this too.

I have some reservations about yeeting someone who has a PR that could be super helpful to village even though he would likely be NK'd tonight.

The thing that's getting me the most is the flip from April to AM. The only reasoning he gave is that people are echoing that something seems off with AM, but I don't see that as solid evidence to do a 180. I also don't want to misyeet AM this late in the game despite how paranoid I'm feeling.

This is the third game in a row where I'm alive nearing end game and feel like I'm running blindly into misyeet after misyeet, so I'm feeling really stuck right now.
 
samac said:
AM always skeeves me out. She comes out aggro and it seems like she’s compensating for something. The actual thing for me was I don’t remember her being boastful saying “look at me I’m so important!” when I’ve played with her/toted a game she was in. That gave me sketchy AM vibes and I have a hard time shaking it.
One thing I’ve noted with AM is she always questions noobs. With all of that though I’m looking back at her posts and I haven’t seen her question Zenge much at all. Zenge has in turn defended her and not questioned her.
Zenge is my wolfiest read right now and I find all that suspicious for the possibility of them being W/W.
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Zenge is on his third game. I'm much more familiar with his playstyle than some of the newer noobs.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Agreed about the inflated self-importance this game that I haven't seen in previous games. It was always implied, but I've never seen her advertise it so blatantly before.

AM, if you are so key to village, why haven't you died yet?
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Gee, I don't know, could it be because you'd be ****ed if you killed me early for third time in a row while wolfing?
Aprilthearab said:
I will say, about AM/Zenge, she liked his gameplay in the previous two games too even to the point of talking in dead chat about wishing he was her manatee. So I'm not surprised she hasn't poked him much. But I am still dumbfounded about why she didn't rip apart Lainey's argument last night.

I do agree AM/Zenge has w/w potential.
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Talked about this in the other post.
 
Zenge142 said:
Alright screw it.

I don’t think I can save myself this cycle, but I think I can save the cycle itself.

I think a waffle fest ending with me is imminent, and so I think my only viable choice is to use the nuclear option.

Role reveal time: I’m the village jailer.

I tried leaving breadcrumbs to highlight that. Italicizing words like criminal, shiv, cages. Hasn’t seem to have gotten through to anyone so screw it.

For the record: N1: Jailed AM. N2: Jailed Cray. N3: Jailed Dubz.

That’s why I was pontificating about 3p kill possibility, because I assumed maybe the wolves had tried to kill AM, failed, and then a 3p killed enigma, because Enigma wasn’t an obvious wolf target.

For the record, I really don’t think April is wolfing. I do think AM is. Pretty much everyone on this thread has commented on how they don’t know what’s going on with AM, how it’s not her usual play style, etc. etc. but then no one does anything.

UNYEET APRIL

YEET AM

Good luck village, see y’all in dead chat. I’m out.

P.S. Samac- I hope you have some really good yeet insurance for all this tunneling you’ve been doing of me, because when I flip, you’re either going to be a sorry villager or an over exposed wolf.
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Are you really actually wolfing though? What does me being jailed have to do with anything?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Gee, I don't know, could it be because you'd be ****ed if you killed me early for third time in a row while wolfing?
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So your argument is village is effed without you, and wolves are also effed without you? Huh. This is a whole new level of narcissism.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Right back at ya.
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I've made my argument as clear as possible. You are more than welcome to present counter-arguments, but intentionally twisting my words into something I've blatantly stated is NOT my argument is entirely unproductive and anti-village. I am more than willing to engage with you if you're willing to acknowledge what I'm saying and disagree logically, but I can't keep up with this back and forth nonsense.
 
Aprilthearab said:
So your argument is village is effed without you, and wolves are also effed without you? Huh. This is a whole new level of narcissism.
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No. My argument, that you have been dragging out for 36 hours now after being oh so worried it was unhelpful and a distraction of a discussion, is I'm held me to an unrealistic standard to the point where it interferes with my wolfhunting.

AM didn't vote a wolf D1? Outted!
What about the other people who voted with me? Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

AM didn't correctly read a low poster? Outted!
What about the other people who incorrectly read the lowposter?
Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

AM didn't die in a double kill by D2? Outted!
What about the literal rest of the game that's also didn't die in a double kill?
Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

Do I need to go on for the next 24 hours about this?
 
Aprilthearab said:
I've made my argument as clear as possible. You are more than welcome to present counter-arguments, but intentionally twisting my words into something I've blatantly stated is NOT my argument is entirely unproductive and anti-village. I am more than willing to engage with you if you're willing to acknowledge what I'm saying and disagree logically, but I can't keep up with this back and forth nonsense.
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You have not.

You said:
-You always read me as village early on as a villager. False, you've just said you're too afraid to yeet me.
-I should have let alissa die quietly without talking to her. Still no alternative solution given.
-I'm a wolf because I shouldn't be alive. Reaching.

Which of these arguments should I response to with "logical" disagreement?
 
Animal Midwife said:
No. My argument, that you have been dragging out for 36 hours now after being oh so worried it was unhelpful and a distraction of a discussion, is I'm held me to an unrealistic standard to the point where it interferes with my wolfhunting.

AM didn't vote a wolf D1? Outted!
What about the other people who voted with me? Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

AM didn't correctly read a low poster? Outted!
What about the other people who incorrectly read the lowposter?
Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

AM didn't die in a double kill by D2? Outted!
What about the literal rest of the game that's also didn't die in a double kill?
Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

Do I need to go on for the next 24 hours about this?
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I agree with you that you should be held to the same standard as everyone else. That's exactly why I'm sucking up my fear of confronting you. I never had a problem with the content of your discussion with Cray. The self-importance I am referencing is being taken from your own words and not anyone else's implications of your importance:
Animal Midwife said:
At baseline, I'm still narcissistic enough that I know village would be ****ed if I die.
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Animal Midwife said:
No. My argument, that you have been dragging out for 36 hours now after being oh so worried it was unhelpful and a distraction of a discussion, is I'm held me to an unrealistic standard to the point where it interferes with my wolfhunting.

AM didn't vote a wolf D1? Outted!
What about the other people who voted with me? Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

AM didn't correctly read a low poster? Outted!
What about the other people who incorrectly read the lowposter?
Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

AM didn't die in a double kill by D2? Outted!
What about the literal rest of the game that's also didn't die in a double kill?
Oh, they're not AM, silly. They get a pass because AM should have guided them down the right path anyway.

Do I need to go on for the next 24 hours about this?
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But what if woof
 
Animal Midwife said:
You have not.

You said:
-You always read me as village early on as a villager. False, you've just said you're too afraid to yeet me.
-I should have let alissa die quietly without talking to her. Still no alternative solution given.
-I'm a wolf because I shouldn't be alive. Reaching.

Which of these arguments should I response to with "logical" disagreement?
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The argument that I have presented multiple times now and is what I have been attempting to discuss is that village!AM does not just smile and nod when a weak argument crosses her way. Even if it is from your greenest villagers, village!AM will still slap someone's wrist for weak arguments, because village!AM cares about yeeting the right wolves for the right reasons and improving gameplay overall. That is not what I saw you do to Lainey last night.
 
Aprilthearab said:
I agree with you that you should be held to the same standard as everyone else. That's exactly why I'm sucking up my fear of confronting you. I never had a problem with the content of your discussion with Cray. The self-importance I am referencing is being taken from your own words and not anyone else's implications of your importance:
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Yet, you're confronting me against your own words here. Everything's about what I "should have" done and not what I've actually done.

Note that was because people were getting on my case for not falling on the sword as the most altruistic perfect villager than can do no wrong unless I'm a wolf.
 
Aprilthearab said:
The argument that I have presented multiple times now and is what I have been attempting to discuss is that village!AM does not just smile and nod when a weak argument crosses her way. Even if it is from your greenest villagers, village!AM will still slap someone's wrist for weak arguments, because village!AM cares about yeeting the right wolves for the right reasons and improving gameplay overall. That is not what I saw you do to Lainey last night.
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Right wolf, wrong reason.
 
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